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unforeseen
10-15-2014, 02:54 PM
DALLAS -- Mavericks star Dirk Nowitzki sees no need for the NBA to experiment with the length of games.

The length of the season? Nowitzki would be all for shortening it significantly, although he realizes that business realities make that extremely unlikely.

"I think you don't need 82 games to determine the best eight in each conference," Nowitzki said Wednesday. "That could be done a lot quicker, but I always understand that it's about money, and every missed game means missed money for both parties, for the league, for the owners, for the players. I understand all that and that's why I don't think it's going to change any time soon."

Dirk Nowitzki said he would recommend that NBA schedules be trimmed from 82 games to the "mid-60s."
Nowitzki was piggybacking on the point made by Miami Heat coach Erik Spoelstra when asked about the league's experiment with a 44-minute game, which will be played by the Brooklyn Nets and Boston Celtics on Sunday.

"I don't think it's a matter of how long the game is," Spoelstra said. "I think there's too many games, to be frank. I think if there's some way to find a way to cut out some of the back-to-backs so there aren't 20-plus of them. I think that's the bigger issue, not shaving off four minutes in a particular game. But I'm open to seeing what happens with that."

"I think everybody probably agrees there's too many games in a short period of time."

Nowitzki said he would recommend that regular-season schedules be trimmed from 82 games to the "mid-60s," although he said it's not his place to say. Like Spoelstra, Nowitzki's biggest issue with the current format is the back-to-back games.

"Honestly, I never was a big fan of back-to-backs even when I was 20 years old," said Nowitzki, a 36-year-old entering his 17th NBA season. "I think that you should never have to play at the highest level there is two consecutive nights and flying in between. You obviously make it work. We have the best athletes in the world, we feel, but I think it hurts the product some. Last year, some teams get here for the fourth game in five nights and we've been sitting here on rest and just blow them out.

"I don't think it's good for the product, but I also understand that 82 games is where it's at. It's a business and everybody's got to live with it."

Nowitzki sarcastically suggested that eight-minute quarters should be used for all preseason games, but he doesn't want to see the league shorten the length of regular-season and playoff games.

However, Nowitzki would like the league to look at the possibility of allowing fewer timeouts, especially at the end of games.

"It's such a fun, fast game," Nowitzki said. "Then there's one action and they score, OK, there's a timeout and you sit for two minutes. There's another action, they score, tie it up [and another timeout is called].

"There's no other sport where it's interrupted so much at the end. That's something that I would look at. Both teams are like, 'They have another timeout? Are you kidding me?' That's a little much, but other than that, I think the game's great."


http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/11706974/dirk-nowitzki-dallas-mavericks-says-favor-shortening-nba-season

RD2191
10-15-2014, 03:05 PM
Back to backs are fucking stupid and cause some very shitty games with the road team usually getting destroyed. Just a dumb idea all around.

ChumpDumper
10-15-2014, 03:05 PM
Should join the Spurs. He'll get 15 games off easy.

djohn2oo8
10-15-2014, 03:08 PM
Nothing wrong with back to back games.

ambchang
10-15-2014, 03:20 PM
Old timers used to play two a days and travel in buses instead of private jets.

Pampered kids.

Silver&Black
10-15-2014, 03:24 PM
Nothing wrong with back to back games.

Who gives a fvck what you think djohnmustard...

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Chris
10-15-2014, 03:44 PM
Pop hates b2b's and he's gone on record about it. Dirk isn't the only one who feels this way. The NBA season is a grind especially when you're making the playoffs every year.

Brazil
10-15-2014, 03:48 PM
Old timers used to play two a days and travel in buses instead of private jets.

Pampered kids.

does not mean it is not stupid

82 games in 6 months is imo too much and BtoBs are most of the time a bad product

Clipper Nation
10-15-2014, 05:13 PM
Nothing wrong with back to back games.

Back-to-backs are shit for the same reason Thursday Night Football is shit, it leads to a sloppier and less entertaining product due to the lack of rest.... especially when the NBA feels particularly sadistic and makes you go to Denver on the second night of a back-to-back :lol

Mel_13
10-15-2014, 05:23 PM
Dirk's right and others agree:

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unforeseen
10-15-2014, 06:14 PM
Would those agree to a shortened season be willing to give up the corresponding salary (pro-rated) also?

Mel_13
10-15-2014, 06:18 PM
Would those agree to a shortened season be willing to give up the corresponding salary (pro-rated) also?


BRI would be smaller with all that follows, but the impact of fewer games would be less than a straight pro-rated reduction.

Seventyniner
10-15-2014, 06:36 PM
How about keeping all 82, but expanding rosters to 18 and only letting each player appear in a maximum of 66 games in a season? No restrictions in the playoffs.

Franklin
10-15-2014, 09:55 PM
I wouldn't mind watching 20 something less games per season if every player agrees to cut their pay by 25%. niggas want to play less games but won't take a dime paycut (I'm not speaking of Dirk obviously), lazy degenerates tbh.

TDMVPDPOY
10-15-2014, 10:59 PM
fck 82 games

i prefer super teams playing against each other more then the usual 4 within same conference or 2 outside the conference

wtf wants to watch a super team playin against some shit team within conference 4 times to stack up wins...

Silver&Black
10-15-2014, 11:03 PM
Dirk is a first ballot HOF...we all know this. But, he doesn't have that kind of power.

Now...if Bron Bron said he was in favor of a 65 game season with no back to back games....Silver would start drawing up the paperwork to be signed tomorrow.

AaronY
10-16-2014, 01:46 AM
Who gives a fvck what you think djohnmustard...

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Wow...what a burn.

Tuddy
10-16-2014, 04:37 AM
Pretty much agree with everything he said including the timeouts at the end.

benefactor
10-16-2014, 07:15 AM
Sounds reasonable. They wouldn't have to physically shorten the season, just eliminate the b2bs and plug in a few extra rest days. Playoffs could start at the same time and be exactly the same.

djohn2oo8
10-16-2014, 08:07 AM
Back to backs are fucking stupid and cause some very shitty games with the road team usually getting destroyed. Just a dumb idea all around.

There will still be shitty games even if you eliminate back to backs.

snickles
10-16-2014, 11:10 AM
There will still be shitty games even if you eliminate back to backs.

theres going to be shitty games no matter what you do. i'd be all for trimming a lot of fat from the NBA season. seriously, does anyone want to watch the hornets vs the bucks? the pistons vs the twolves?

i pretty much agree with everything dirk said. the season is too long. too many of the games are totally meaningless. as a fan, i get burnt out watching the 60-some-odd televised regular season spurs games.

when you consider the number of teams, the rookies coming out of college after 1 year, plus the inevitable international play....the end product is going to get shitty.

benefactor completely nailed it 2 posts up.

Chomag
10-16-2014, 12:46 PM
I would agree that the season needs to be shorter. However would all of these players that are crying take pay cuts for it? I honestly dont think so

JamStone
10-16-2014, 01:07 PM
They don't have back-to-back games in the playoffs anymore right? If that's the case, don't need them in the regular season either. I mean, if it's a handful of them I guess no big deal, but each team generally has around 15-20 back-to-back sets a season I believe. What's even more moronic is I remember the Pistons in the past having among the most number of back-to-back sets in seasons past but then they'd have a couple stretches during the season where they'd have 4-5 days off. Why have so many B2Bs if teams end up with schedules where they don't play for 4 or 5 days?

If they cut the season, the league will find a way to make up the cost somewhere. If they ever cut the number of regular season games, I'd expect tickets, parking, vendor products, and merchandise, and NBA TV cable to take a significant hike in price. That said, it won't happen.

ambchang
10-16-2014, 02:17 PM
They don't have back-to-back games in the playoffs anymore right? If that's the case, don't need them in the regular season either. I mean, if it's a handful of them I guess no big deal, but each team generally has around 15-20 back-to-back sets a season I believe. What's even more moronic is I remember the Pistons in the past having among the most number of back-to-back sets in seasons past but then they'd have a couple stretches during the season where they'd have 4-5 days off. Why have so many B2Bs if teams end up with schedules where they don't play for 4 or 5 days?

If they cut the season, the league will find a way to make up the cost somewhere. If they ever cut the number of regular season games, I'd expect tickets, parking, vendor products, and merchandise, and NBA TV cable to take a significant hike in price. That said, it won't happen.

I believe there are still b2b playoff games, usually happens when a team goes 7 games in the previous round, and the schedule requires the winner to play Game 1 of the next series immediately after that.

In terms of the b2b and the long rests, it's about the scheduling program, there are some games that are fixed in (opening night, games on holidays), and there are general rules to minimize the number of b2b games and having no b2b2b games, minimizing travel distances, the Spurs can't play in town during the Rodeo and other special rules, but the program runs, and spits out the final product. There maybe some manual edits after that, but overall the machine dictates what happens.

As for shortened season, never going to happen. Too much money at stake. Sharp hikes in tickets and concessions will likely reduce the market for fans who can only afford to a select number of games (1 or 2), and ultimately hurt demand. Not to mention lesser TV revenues because of less games played on TV.

unforeseen
10-17-2014, 02:15 PM
As long as Kirby doesn't ring.

Findog
10-17-2014, 02:45 PM
It'll never happen bc of the $$$$$, but it would mean higher quality basketball and less injuries in practice.

Franklin
10-17-2014, 08:48 PM
I don't get why it bothers Kobe at all how long the season is, when all he's going to do is play 6 games, take the money and quit.

Xevious
10-20-2014, 06:12 PM
Just look at football. I know it's not a completely fair comparison because football players would be dead after an 82 game season, but every NFL game is an event because the seasons are so short and each game weighs a lot more. Even the most diehard NBA fans don't get that worked up over any individual game during the regular season. Players and coaches take games off and don't play with much intensity during others. No fan likes going to games to see their team phone it in.

~O~
10-20-2014, 09:18 PM
You know what, I think the NBA is pampering the players a bit too much. They try protect branded players and are trying to shorten the game length to prevent injuries. The game is fine the way it is. They are getting paid 20 lifetimes of money to play so fuck that shit.