Marshawn Lynch won't be with Seahawks beyond this year

[djohn2oo8]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11767085/seattle-seahawks-tire-marshawn-lynch

[Clipper Nation]

The Avante Curse

[spurraider21]

that was obvious given his salary. i've been saying this since before the season started

[vander]

he's mailing it in already, cut him.

[Infinite_limit]

Seahawks will take a significant downgrade then

[spurraider21]

looks like Lynch already checked out. dropped a sure-fire touchdown and got it picked off instead

[Malik Hairston]

The Seahawks haven't been the same team since Lynch stopped being Lynch..hm, who would have predicted that?:lol..

[spurraider21]

yeah who would've known when a team's defense and running game declines that they might not be as good :lol

[djohn2oo8]

The Seahawks haven't been the same team since Lynch stopped being Lynch..hm, who would have predicted that?:lol..

That sumbitch is costing me fantasy points

[Malik Hairston]

yeah who would've known when a team's defense and running game declines that they might not be as good :lol

When you have an elite QB, he can win games all by himself sometimes, tbh..

Manning and Rodgers have won a ton of games the past few years without a running game or defense..

[spurraider21]

When you have an elite QB, he can win games all by himself sometimes, tbh..

Manning and Rodgers have won a ton of games the past few years without a running game or defense..
that's fine. i dont think anybody on this forum ever claimed Wilson was on par with top 5 qb's of all time like the ones you mentioned.

but remember during Rodger's superbowl run one of the big stories was Starks emerging in the playoffs, and for the season the Pack allowed less than 19 ppg

[djohn2oo8]

I'll trade Fitzpatrick for Wilson :lol

[Raven]

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[SupremeGuy]

But all of their big name players are locked up for a while... :cry

[Infinite_limit]

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Was this a Bump?

[Spur-Addict]

He wanted a new contract this off-season, we refused and gave him a little more guaranteed money this year. Based on his perceived value and age, and what TYPICALLY happens to backs as they get into that 30 age range, it's not worth the risk. Not to say that he won't play well the next two years, it's just not worth the risk. Have to wrap up the young core which we have outside of Wilson and Wagner, and move forward. He'll be 29 after this year.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

The Cowboys and HGH testing finished the Seahawks, tbh.

[Chris]

http://media.giphy.com/media/9p87NPGhZXAaI/giphy.gif

[spurraider21]

The Cowboys and HGH testing finished the Seahawks, tbh.
who got busted for HGH?

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Anybody else find it funny that ever since the nfl got stricter on hgh testing the Seahawks defense started dropping like avante's pants at a Filipino middle school

[DPG21920]

who got busted for HGH?

Read between the lines...HGH became something they can test for, guys had to stop using, defense suffered.

[HI-FI]

:lol spurraider always looking for an argument even against common sense.

not just the HGH but NFL getting stricter on their secondary holding the shit out of everyone.

if Cam Newton wasn't such a shitty QB, Seattle would be imploding right now.

[spurraider21]

:lol spurraider always looking for an argument even against common sense.

not just the HGH but NFL getting stricter on their secondary holding the shit out of everyone.

if Cam Newton wasn't such a shitty QB, Seattle would be imploding right now.
they implemented that midseason tbh :rollin

[DPG21920]

they implemented that midseason tbh :rollin

The defensive holding/contact?

[spurraider21]

The defensive holding/contact?
HGH testing

[DPG21920]

HGH testing

I know what you meant. But he listed the defensive holding along with HGH testing and you laughed about the decline of the defense. Also, you are probably quite foolish to think teams had no idea HGH testing was coming.

[Raven]

lynch is fed up with wilson taking credit and money for his and D's wins, that's all that there is. And it's hard to say he is not right, i mean just checking the TD/INT ratio against the elite 4 qb is beyond laughable

[spurraider21]

laughed at the decline of the defense? not really, they lost significant corner depth and its hurting them bad

[DPG21920]

laughed at the decline of the defense? not really, they lost significant corner depth and its hurting them bad

Don't they have their big name/big money check my stats guys?

[spurraider21]

Don't they have their big name/big money check my stats guys?
what does that have to do with me supposedly laughing at the decline of their defense?

[Infinite_limit]

Their Defense looks fine to me. Could possibly use some younger bodies upfront but I see a talent disparity on Offense. By trading Harvin they essentially lost both their starting WRs from the Super Bowl

[spurraider21]

Red Bryant, Chris Clemons, Walter Thurmond, Brandon Browner were all losses that they're feeling now. They have other guys to step in, but last year their front 7 rotated more than anybody in the NFL, and right now with the injuries at corner they're really missing the crazy depth they had last season

[spurraider21]

but they play the raiders next week so there's that :lol

[vander]

He wanted a new contract this off-season, we refused and gave him a little more guaranteed money this year. Based on his perceived value and age, and what TYPICALLY happens to backs as they get into that 30 age range, it's not worth the risk. Not to say that he won't play well the next two years, it's just not worth the risk. Have to wrap up the young core which we have outside of Wilson and Wagner, and move forward. He'll be 29 after this year.

he's only 28? seems like he's been in the league a long time, I thought he was 31 or 32

[HI-FI]

but they play the raiders next week so there's that :lol
that will be the Skullfuckening, with the media giving Wilson all the credit. he's a rich man's McNabb, which is good, just still overrated by a media hungry for BBC.

[spurraider21]

that will be the Skullfuckening, with the media giving Wilson all the credit. he's a rich man's McNabb, which is good, just still overrated by a media hungry for BBC.
bitter niner fan is bitter :wakeup

[HI-FI]

bitter niner fan is bitter :wakeup
eh not quite. that's more of my rush limbaugh side. i already said i have no problem if people consider him better than Kaep currently.

[Avante]

Russell Wilson is an amazing QB he plays smart, he doesn't lose games.

[spurraider21]

he was miserable against Dallas though

[Avante]

he was miserable against Dallas though

He threw for over 300 yards and ran for over 100, no QB in history had ever done that, miserable????

[spurraider21]

He threw for over 300 yards and ran for over 100, no QB in history had ever done that, miserable????
that was against St. Louis, not Dallas

[Avante]

that was against St. Louis, not Dallas

That's right , my bad.

Bottom line is he'd doing things never seen before by QB's with his experience.

[Spur-Addict]

he's only 28? seems like he's been in the league a long time, I thought he was 31 or 32

As of today, yes he is 28. Next year, 29. And with quite a bit of tread to boot. Probably has two maybe three solid years left after this season if preserved properly.

[The Gemini Method]

he was miserable against Dallas though

The whole team was miserable against Dallas. They had a chance to win it but allowed one of his year's patented 3 and long completions. I believe they've already doubled 20 yards + 3rd Down conversions they had last year.

[DeadlyDynasty]

As of today, yes he is 28. Next year, 29. And with quite a bit of tread to boot. Probably has two maybe three solid years left after this season if preserved properly.
:lolNotice how quick Seahawk fan is to throw their heroes under the bus when defending GMW

[spurraider21]

:lolNotice how quick Seahawk fan is to throw their heroes under the bus when defending GMW
Nobody is throwing anybody under the bus. Running backs tend to all decline around the same time

[Avante]

Nobody is throwing anybody under the bus. Running backs tend to all decline around the same time

No not really.

[spurraider21]

No not really.
There are outliers like emmitt smith, but surely somebody like yourself can understand "trends"

how many running backs in recent years have maintained effectiveness after 30? I guess Fred Jackson but he had very low mileage

[Spur-Addict]

:lolNotice how quick Seahawk fan is to throw their heroes under the bus when defending GMW

I just can't help myself, rough times over here at the moment. As a Bills fan, I figured you'd have a substantial amount of insight on this matter. How does a team handle all the roadblocks, trials and tribulations after a SB victory? Thanks in advance :bobo

[Avante]

There are outliers like emmitt smith, but surely somebody like yourself can understand "trends"

how many running backs in recent years have maintained effectiveness after 30? I guess Fred Jackson but he had very low mileage

Frank Gore, Steven Jackson are both still effective with no end in sight. I won't bore you with all those "once upon a time" guys very productive after 30. All very active their whole career.

[spurraider21]

Steven Jackson? Lol

and the niners weren't the first team to take a RB in the draft for no reason

[Avante]

Steven Jackson? Lol

and the niners weren't the first team to take a RB in the draft for no reason

It's real obvious all football players aren't the same after 30, this isn't news. But to try and..."they all hit the wall at the same time"...simply isn't acccurate because they don't.

[spurraider21]

It's real obvious all football players aren't the same after 30, this isn't news. But to try and..."they all hit the wall at the same time"...simply isn't acccurate because they don't.
It's not an exact "deadline" but 30 is usually a time where a decline is visible. You never see running backs decline and 24, 25, 26 unless they had injuries. But between 30-31 is when Father Time usually shows face

Lynch is still great but you don't want to lock yourself into his age 30 and beyond seasons

[Avante]

Want a long list of running backs who did decline at 25-28? Who had good seasons early onthen after 4-5 seasons did start declining without injuries playing a part (other than the normal wear)?

[Spur-Addict]

We've already been through this with Shaun Alexander. Guy puts up sick numbers at age 28, 27 TDs and 1880 ish yards and proceeds to fall off a cliff. It's not a stretch to say most RBs start to tail off the older they get, especially in the late, late 20's, early age 30s range. Granted Alexander had 3 strait seasons of well over 300 carries per year, but Lynch has 2 strait of 300 carries and a 285 carry season prior to that. So it's likely this isn't going to get better, but only decline with a significant workload. I think that's why they're trying to limit his touches early on that way he can be as fresh as possible for a late season push, in addition to trying to get real reps for the younger backs going forward.

[Avante]

Walter Payton did what from 30-34?

Marcus Allen from 30-37?

[Spur-Addict]

What part of "Most", the "Majority", "More often than not", do you not understand?

[Avante]

What part of "Most", the "Majority", "More often than not", do you not understand?

For every Shawn Alexander there is a Walter Payton, you do know this, right?

[Spur-Addict]

For every Shawn Alexander there is a Walter Payton, you do know this, right?

:lol OK

[The Gemini Method]

I like how he mentions Walter Payton and Marcus Allen as if its comparable...Love what Marshawn has done for us. But at 6 million a year? We need more than his services. The DL has to be address. Bobby Wagner has to be re-signed and the OL as well. I don't think he's willing to take a pay cut so it'll probably his last go for the Seahawks.

[Raven]

It's not an exact "deadline" but 30 is usually a time where a decline is visible. You never see running backs decline and 24, 25, 26 unless they had injuries. But between 30-31 is when Father Time usually shows face

Lynch is still great but you don't want to lock yourself into his age 30 and beyond seasons

ahmad bradshaw

[spurraider21]

ahmad bradshaw
what about him? he's still has productive as ever

[Avante]

The bottom line is there is no real system to this other than no kids 21-ish and younger or old folks (football old) over 35ish Between 21ish-35ish we see all sorts of individual whatevers. Some are done by 26, some last until early 30's. Yep, totally prepared to give a lot of examples of all that.

[Raven]

what about him? he's still has productive as ever

went into decline long ago. Told he's done for years, and now he's back as good as ever..

[spurraider21]

went into decline long ago. Told he's done for years, and now he's back as good as ever..
his productivity has never really waned, he just had injury issues last couple of years

[Avante]

Mike Thomas starred at UNLV, his rookie season with the Redskins, he had over 900 yards rushing, then over a 1000, then over 800, then it was over 500, then over 300, by 28 he was out of football. Tons of similiar backs in that situation.