Official Hurricane Katrina Thread [Archive]

Extra Stout

08-27-2005, 04:02 PM

It is pretty stupid to build a city of that size in a such a shitty location.From a commercial standpoint, it's in a great location -- near the mouth of the continent's greatest waterway. It appears it will suffer the fate of anther port city on the Gulf --> Galveston, or even worse --> Indianola.

Many of you have never heard of Indianola. It was near Port Lavaca. The majority of the German settlers in Texas docked at what was then the greatest port on the Gulf of Mexico other than New Orleans. But a succession of two devastating hurricanes wiped it out of existence.

The problem with New Orleans is that it was allowed to subside quite seriously without doing anything about it, and the Army Corps of Engineers utterly fucked up the delta with their levee system, and the dam and lock system near Angola. Fully 20% of the state of Louisiana from the 1930's has been reclaimed by the Gulf of Mexico, because our all-knowing government completely screwed up the means by which the river laid down the silt that makes up the southern half of the state.

The latest predictinos on this storm is Category 5. Cat 5 storms are basically something that will fuck anything up, and then some. We're talking Camille. Now, the saving grace is that the storm will probably lose some strength before landfall due to a less favorable environment. Let's hope it weakens. If a Cat 5 hits New Orleans, the models say it becomes a permanent part of Lake Pontchartrain. The loss of life would rival or exceed what happened in the tsunami last year.

CharlieMac

08-27-2005, 04:14 PM

Im still shocked at this hurricane.

Samr

08-27-2005, 04:22 PM

Proud to be a Texan.

JoePublic

08-27-2005, 04:23 PM

Just saw on the news the long line of traffic heading out of New Orleans.

j-6

08-27-2005, 05:24 PM

I learned something while reading up on this. The federal government keeps two natural disaster scenarios on permanent standby with FEMA. One is a direct hurricane hit on New Orleans and the storm heading up the Mississippi River. The second is a 8.0+ San Francisco earthquake.

ObiwanGinobili

08-27-2005, 06:05 PM

Indianola.

My mother's 1st house in Texas was actually from Indianola... it was outside the city limits adn they moved it after the town was obliterated. I still can't even imagine how they took the house apart and moved it without the beneift of a uhaul or 18wheeler. :wow

Shelly

08-27-2005, 06:25 PM

I saw on the news that the flood waters could rise to 20 feet in NO and last for weeks.

ShoogarBear

08-27-2005, 06:39 PM

Let's hope it weakens. If a Cat 5 hits New Orleans, the models say it becomes a permanent part of Lake Pontchartrain. The loss of life would rival or exceed what happened in the tsunami last year.The oddly funny part is, if you ever take one of those buggy tours of the Vieux Carre, the guides will mention how when (not if) the big H hits, NO will be toast. It was almost as if they were anticipating it.

Just like SF and the Big One, as pointed out above.

*Sigh*, wonder if there'll be a Bayou Classic this year . . .

Shelly

08-27-2005, 06:40 PM

Well, the upside is that it will wash out all the puke and piss from the streets :lol

j-6

08-27-2005, 06:40 PM

The oddly funny part is, if you ever take one of those buggy tours of the Vieux Carre, the guides will mention how when (not if) the big H hits, NO will be toast. It was almost as if they were anticipating it.

Just like SF and the Big One, as pointed out above.

*Sigh*, wonder if there'll be a Bayou Classic this year . . .
You guys might get the NFL Saints one hell of a lot earlier than you thought.

ShoogarBear

08-27-2005, 06:42 PM

Well, the upside is that it will wash out all the puke and piss from the streets :lol
Y'know, it would be just classic if the Big Easy had one last party in the streets right before it happened.

j-6

08-27-2005, 06:54 PM

I ripped this off of another board...it's an article in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution from last year about Hurricane Ivan. Same premise, however.

Direct hit by Ivan could submerge New Orleans tree-top deep

NEW ORLEANS — The worst-case scenario for New Orleans — a direct strike by a full-strength Hurricane Ivan — could submerge much of this historic city treetop-deep in a stew of sewage, industrial chemicals and fire ants, and the inundation could last for weeks, experts say.

If the storm were strong enough, Ivan could drive water over the tops of the levees that protect the city from the Mississippi River and vast Lake Pontchartrain. And with the city sitting in a saucer-shaped depression that dips as much as 9 feet below sea level, there would be nowhere for all that water to drain.

Even in the best of times, New Orleans depends on a network of canals and huge pumps to keep water from accumulating inside the basin.

"Those folks who remain, should the city flood, would be exposed to all kinds of nightmares from buildings falling apart to floating in the water having nowhere to go," Ivor van Heerden, director of Louisiana State University's Hurricane Public Health Center, said Tuesday.

LSU's hurricane experts have spent years developing computer models and taking surveys to predict what might happen.

The surveys predict that about 300,000 of the 1.6 million people living in the metropolitan area would risk staying.

The computer models show a hurricane with a wind speed of around 120 mph or more — hitting just west of New Orleans so its counterclockwise rotation could hurl the strongest surf and wind directly into the city — would push a storm surge from the Gulf of Mexico and Lake Pontchartrain over the city's levees. Ivan had sustained wind of 140 mph Tuesday.

New Orleans would be under about 20 feet of water, higher than the roofs of many of the city's homes.

Besides collecting standard household and business garbage and chemicals, the flood would flow through chemical plants in the area, "so there's the potential of pretty severe contamination," van Heerden said.

Severe flooding in area bayous also forces out wildlife, including poisonous snakes and stinging fire ants, which sometimes gather in floating balls carried by the current.

A rescue of people who stayed behind would be among the world's biggest since 1940, when Allied forces and civilian volunteers during World War II rescued mostly British soldiers from Dunkirk, France, and carried them across the English Channel, van Heerden predicted.

Much of the city would be under water for weeks. And even after the river and Lake Pontchartrain receded, the levees could trap water above sea level, meaning the Army Corps of Engineers would have to cut the levees to let the water out.

"The real big problem is the water from sea level on down because it will have to be pumped and restoring the pumps and getting them back into action could take a considerable amount of time," said John Hall, the Corps' spokesman in New Orleans.

Hall spoke from his home — 6 feet below sea level — as he prepared to flee the city himself. The Corps' local staff was being relocated 166 miles north to Vicksburg, Miss.

New Orleans was on the far western edge of the Gulf Coast region threatened by Ivan, and forecasters said Tuesday that the hurricane appeared to moving toward a track farther east, along the Mississippi coast.

If the eye came ashore east of the city, van Heerden said, New Orleans would be on the low side of the storm surge and would not likely have catastrophic flooding.

The worst storm in recent decades to hit New Orleans was Hurricane Betsy in 1965, which submerged parts of the city in water 7-feet deep and was blamed for 74 deaths in Louisiana, Mississippi and Florida. That storm was a Category 3, weaker than Ivan is expected to be.

Even if New Orleans escapes this time, van Heerden said, it will remain vulnerable until the federal and state governments act to restore the coastal wetlands that should act as a buffer against storms coming in from the Gulf.

Louisiana has lost about a half million acres of coast to erosion since 1930 because the Mississippi River is so corralled by levees that it can dump sediment only at its mouth, and that allows waves from the Gulf to chop away at the rest of the coastline.

"My fear is, if this storm passes (without a major disaster), everybody forgets about it until next year, when it could be even worse because we'll have even less wetlands," van Heerden said.

AlamoSpursFan

08-27-2005, 09:56 PM

It appears it will suffer the fate of anther port city on the Gulf --> Galveston, or even worse --> Indianola.

Many of you have never heard of Indianola. It was near Port Lavaca. The majority of the German settlers in Texas docked at what was then the greatest port on the Gulf of Mexico other than New Orleans. But a succession of two devastating hurricanes wiped it out of existence.

http://www.charlierobison.net/Lyrics/Lyrics_Indianola.html

Song : Indianola

MY LITTLE BROTHER WAS JUST 10 YEARS OLD
WHEN WE HIT BAD WEATHER AND HID IN THE HOLE
WE COULD SEE TEXAS IT WAS ONLY A MILE
OH LITTLE BROTHER I REMEMBER YOUR SMILE
AT INDIANOLA

MY DAD BUILT A SAW MILL
OF CYPRESS AND STONE IT WAS THERE ON THE MEDINA
THAT WE MADE OUR HOME
IT WAS YEAR 1850 I SENT FOR MY GIRL
OH FRAULEIN COME MEET ME IN THIS BRAND NEW WORLD
AT INDIANOLA

WHEN THE WAR THEY CALLED CIVIL
HAD BARELY BEGUN ME AND MY COUSINS DECIDED WE’D RUN
UP THROUGH LOUISIANA TO MEET UP WITH GRANT
BUT 100 DAMN REBELS SHOT US THERE IN THE SAND
AT INDIANOLA

THEY SAID UP IN NEW YORK THE STOCK MARKET FELL
AND THE LIFE THEY WAS LIVING WAS SHOT ALL TO HELL
BUT WE AIN’T SEEN NOTHIN’ NO DIFFERENT THAN DUST
‘CEPT THE WHEELS ON THE WAGONS ALL COVERED IN RUST
AT INDIANOLA

WHEN THAT SCRAP WITH OL’ HITLER
WAS OVER AND DONE
I WONDERED IF I HAD KILLED KIN WITH MY GUN
WE SAT THERE IN PARIS IN A LITTLE CAFÉ
AND AS THEY TOASTED TRUMAN I DRIFTED AWAY
TO INDIANOLA

WELL IT’S 50 YEARS LATER AND NOBODY CARES
ABOUT SOME OLD CITY THAT AIN’T EVEN THERE
WELL,MY SONS MOVED TO HOUSTON AND THEY WORK IN THE GULF
IT’S 7 DAYS ON AND 7 DAYS OFF
I WORK FOR THE DOCTOR WHO BOUGHT OUR OLD RANCH
FROM FIRST QUALITY FEDERAL THE FORECLOSURES BRANCH
AND HE CALLS ME HILLBILLY AND LAUGHS AT MY HAIR
BUT A CANCER WILL GET HIM IF ANYTHING’S FAIR
AND I’LL TAKE HIS ASHES TO THROW FROM MY BOAT
‘CAUSE ACROSS THAT OCEAN I’M GOING TO FLOAT
TO FIND ME ANOTHER INDIANOLA

MannyIsGod

08-27-2005, 10:36 PM

I had a huge fucking post typed up and lost it. Damnit.

ES, Jess and I discussed what you were talking about this afternoon and she explained to me how the city was founded due to access to the river. It makes sense.

This storm has the potential to reach catagory 5 status and there really is nothing to inhibit it at this time. The best thing for NO would be what is known as an eye wall replacement cycle at landfall. The hurricane would probalby drop to at least a catagory 3 in that situation, but if not it will probably be at least a catagory 4 if not 5.

I don't forsee a large loss of life due to the evacuations, but I do forsee a large scale property disaster. I don't know how the economy would be affected if insurance companies took a hit that large.

This is also something to keep in mind:

SPECIAL NOTE: Hurricane Katrina is heading for 'Prime Oil Producing Real Estate' in the north central Gulf.
Unless the forecasts prove very wrong (as in landfall 250 miles to the east, or the storm is much weaker) -- Oil prices
will jump tremendously on Monday. Last year IVAN took out fully 6% of the entire U.S. annual Production of oil
and a fair amount of this years record high prices has to do with the 'threat' of another IVAN. On Friday, the 'market
thought' Katrina would be a CAT 2 in the Florida Panhandle - and priced oil accordingly. If Katrina 'stays on course',
prices will jump $3-$5 per barrel Monday morning. Further increases to $75/bbl may follow Tuesday if there are reports
of serious infrastructure damage on par with that done last year by IVAN - by far the most expensive hurricane to affect
the U.S. oil producing industry.

That is posted in Steve Gregory's blog. He's a meteorologist in the private sector and one of the services he provides is weather forcasts that pertain to the effect they have on the energy industry.

MannyIsGod

08-27-2005, 11:17 PM

The more I read about how many people are not evactuating, the sadder I am getting. I'm hoping this torm somehow misses NO, because I can't imagine the magnitude of the catastrophe that is about to happen.

This is flat out horrible.

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 12:51 AM

Yep, from what I've heard a direct hit will result in a huge loss of life due to the folks who for whatever dumbass reason think it's okay to stay.

The citizens of NO who stick around may be in line for the world's biggest Darwin award ever.

Sad.

Trainwreck2100

08-28-2005, 12:55 AM

I hope none of those people have kids

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 01:07 AM

Well, a lot of them don't have the ability to leave. 100,000 without transportation. You can't get far walking.

It's not just about being stupid, it's about not having very many options.

All I know is that if I was leaving town, and if I had room in a vehicle for people, I woudl find SOMEBODY to take. I couldn't fathom leaving other people behind.

Sense

08-28-2005, 01:09 AM

Proud to be a Texan.

tell me about it.

I went to MN and tornadoes scared the hell outta me.

j-6

08-28-2005, 08:00 AM

Y'know, it would be just classic if the Big Easy had one last party in the streets right before it happened.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/stormcenter/2005-08-27-katrina-party_x.htm

New Orleans French Quarter parties in face of hurricane

NEW ORLEANS (AP) — The bands were blaring on Bourbon Street, the bar tables were packed and the drinks were flowing.

"The only dangerous hurricanes so far are the ones we've been drinking," said Fred Wilson of San Francisco, as he sipped on the famous drink at Pat O'Brien's Bar. "We can't get out, so we might as well have fun."

As Hurricane Katrina whipped its way through the Gulf of Mexico toward New Orleans, some tourists were forced to stay put because flights and rental cars were booked up. Others were lucky enough to change reservations early and get out of town.

Mayor C. Ray Nagin called for a voluntary evacuation of the city at 5 p.m. Saturday. He said he would most likely be more forceful about making people leave Sunday. For the tourists stuck in town, he had some different advice.

"The only thing I can say to them is I hope they have a hotel room, and it's a hotel room that's at least on the third floor and up," Nagin said. "Unfortunately, unless they can rent a car to get out of town, which I doubt they can at this point, they're probably in the position of riding the storm out."

In the French Quarter, the revelers, street musicians, tarot card readers and fortune tellers carried on like it was any other Saturday.

"I'll be here tomorrow, I'm not leaving," said trombonist Eddie "Doc" Lewis. "I've been through typhoons, monsoons, tornadoes, hurricanes and every other phoon, soon or storm. I'm not worried."

Down the street, psychic Jackie Wilson waited for customers at a card table, advertising "Free sample readings."

"I'm not leaving, we live in a 100-year-old building a block away," she said. "It's survived all that time. But I tell you, this is ground-X right here. This storm is heading right for us. Get ready."

Samr

08-28-2005, 09:00 AM

http://image.weather.com/images/maps/tropical/map_tropprjpath12_ltst_5nhato_enus_600x405.jpg

j-6

08-28-2005, 09:30 AM

Mayor Nagin just announced a mandatory evacuation. He also declared that the City can seize private property to shelter those that cannot be evacuated.

Live feed: http://www.wwltv.com/perl/common/video/wmPlayer.pl?title=beloint_wwltv&props=livenoad

scott

08-28-2005, 09:34 AM

Baton Rouge gets the Saints for a season?

Manu20

08-28-2005, 09:47 AM

Katrina now has winds of 175 mph with gusts to 215mph!!!

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 09:48 AM

Chinga su madre!

Manu20

08-28-2005, 09:58 AM

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/GOES/EAST/GMEX/current_RGB.jpg

j-6

08-28-2005, 10:00 AM

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/wetlands/hurricane1.html

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/wetlands/images/levels2.jpg
Joe Suhayda shows Daniel Zwerdling how high the water would be if New Orleans were hit with a Category Five Hurricane. Photo: William Brangham/NOW with Bill Moyers

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/wetlands/images/kyagb.jpg
When the computer models showed Walter Maestri what would happen after a hurricane hit New Orleans, he wrote big letters on the map: "KYAGB—kiss your ass good bye." Photo: William Brangham/NOW with Bill Moyers

Samr

08-28-2005, 10:04 AM

Some stupid weatherman just said "and now we have to keep a close eye on what probably could be a deadly hurricane."

PROBABLY!?! This thing has ALREADY killed people. New Orleans issued a mandatory evacuation for the first time in history. There is no PROBABLY involved.

Dumbass.

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 11:52 AM

Sustained winds of 175 miles per hour. Fuck. And there's dumbass residents saying it ain't no big thing... *sigh*

175 miles an hour = F3 tornado, SUSTAINED, over the entire core area this thing hits.

The sheer idiocy of some people amazes me.

Samr

08-28-2005, 12:22 PM

Let's go fly a kite
Up to the highest height
Let's go fly a kite!

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 12:26 PM

http://home.comcast.net/~dash215/pics04/ollie.jpg

Samr

08-28-2005, 12:38 PM

Can we get a vbookie on this? Anyone?

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 12:38 PM

As bad as that wind is, the horrible part for NO isn't wind. It is going to be the water. I hate to put it to NO this way, but at this point they have gone beyond the point of no return. It is not going to avoid them. They are going to have some severe damange which will probably include the massive flooding of the bowl.

This storm is on track to become the most powerful in recorded history. It's already on par with Camille,and is approaching Gilbert and Mitch terrirtory.

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 12:45 PM

Can we get a vbookie on this? Anyone?
:flipoff

Manu20

08-28-2005, 12:47 PM

As far as the minimum pressure (906 mb) katrina is the 6th strongest storm in the Atlantic's recorded history.

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 12:51 PM

Not just the wind and the rain, don't forget about the wildlife.

They read an email on Fox from someone with the federal gvt. who came in after the last big storm to hit NO (think it was Betsy), said over half the deaths were caused by poisonous snakes. The most chilling part was the last sentence of the email, something like "you only had so much high ground for both humans and the animals, and the snakes won.

That's fucked up.

Some more shots...

http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/tropical_cyclones/tc05/ATL/12L.KATRINA/vis/geo/1km_zoom/20050828.1515.goes12.x.vis1km_high.12LKATRINA.140k ts-908mb-257N-877W.jpg

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/FLOAT/IR4/20.jpg

I don't get why they don't start bringing in commercial airliners to get people out. Seems you could just crank out the departures until the weather situation really deteriorates later tonight. Probably one of those things people will bitch about in the aftermath of this thing...

Samr

08-28-2005, 12:54 PM

I'd HATE to be in one of those stormtracker planes right now. The ones that fly into the center of the thing.

Talk about turbulence.

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 01:00 PM

http://www.nd.edu/%7Eadcirc/pam.htm

Damn damn damn.

Clandestino

08-28-2005, 01:02 PM

Not just the wind and the rain, don't forget about the wildlife.

They read an email on Fox from someone with the federal gvt. who came in after the last big storm to hit NO (think it was Betsy), said over half the deaths were caused by poisonous snakes. The most chilling part was the last sentence of the email, something like "you only had so much high ground for both humans and the animals, and the snakes won.

That's fucked up.

I don't get why they don't start bringing in commercial airliners to get people out. Seems you could just crank out the departures until the weather situation really deteriorates later tonight. Probably one of those things people will bitch about in the aftermath of this thing...

yeah, i saw that.. crazy shit about the snakes!

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 01:04 PM

FEMA is preparing for 20k to 40k dead. Holy motherfucking shit!

Clandestino

08-28-2005, 01:06 PM

no fucking way.. are you serious?

they also just reported that 50% of all houses will suffer total wall and roof damage...

Shelly

08-28-2005, 01:07 PM

FEMA is preparing for 20k to 40k dead. Holy motherfucking shit!

Holy cow!

I know it's supposed to hit tomorrow morning, but about what time?

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 01:07 PM

Holy cow!

I know it's supposed to hit tomorrow morning, but about what time?

7-8 AM

T Park

08-28-2005, 01:09 PM

Im only gonna post once here,

but was wondering if anyone would set up, or Kori would, a donation site, or any kind of donation center, that we can donate to.

This storm is gonna cost, BILLIONS of dollars, maybe changing the economy, ruining insurance companys, and ruining the state of louisiana period.

Im ready to donate any amount, if we get this started, I urge other people as well to donate.

175 mile an hour winds are estimated to level concrete structures.

Folks, the city of new orleans may be obliterated and literally, nothing could be left but rubble.

Think 9/11, but a whole city......

Ginofan

08-28-2005, 01:09 PM

http://www.nd.edu/%7Eadcirc/pam.htm

Damn damn damn.

And that's only with a hypothetical category 3!!! N.O. is seriously screwed! This is going to be awful :(

rl64tx

08-28-2005, 01:10 PM

Holy cow!

I know it's supposed to hit tomorrow morning, but about what time?

Around noon if not earlier :smokin

ChumpDumper

08-28-2005, 01:11 PM

http://www.nd.edu/%7Eadcirc/pam.htm

Damn damn damn.The just went over the worst case scenario with a parish official -- just awful.

rl64tx

08-28-2005, 01:12 PM

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 01:12 PM

Here's the NWS death sentence, err warning...

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
1011 AM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

..DEVASTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED

HURRICANE KATRINA
A MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE WITH UNPRECEDENTED
STRENGTH...RIVALING THE INTENSITY OF HURRICANE CAMILLE OF 1969.

MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER. AT
LEAST ONE HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL
FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL...LEAVING THOSE HOMES SEVERELY
DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.

THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL.
PARTIAL TO COMPLETE WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD
FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE
BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENTS WILL SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE...INCLUDING SOME
WALL AND ROOF FAILURE.

HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A
FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT.

AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH
AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY
VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED. THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE
ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS...PETS...AND LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE
WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK.

POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS...AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN
AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING
INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF NATIVE TREES WILL BE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED. ONLY
THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT BE TOTALLY DEFOLIATED. FEW
CROPS WILL REMAIN. LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL BE
KILLED.

AN INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS ISSUED WHEN SUSTAINED WINDS NEAR
HURRICANE FORCE...OR FREQUENT GUSTS AT OR ABOVE HURRICANE FORCE...ARE
CERTAIN WITHIN THE NEXT 12 TO 24 HOURS.

ONCE TROPICAL STORM AND HURRICANE FORCE WINDS ONSET...DO NOT VENTURE
OUTSIDE!

Tpark, I think that's a great idea, but a lot of work for Kori. I talked to my sister this morning (US Army nurse in Alabama - high up too (full Colonel), and been in meetings the last 48 hours on this with FEMA and the like), there is already a plan for several donation movements in the wake of this beast.

I'd recommend waiting until mid-week, the picture will be clear as to where to donate then.

Shelly

08-28-2005, 01:14 PM

How far inland is 'safe'?

T Park

08-28-2005, 01:15 PM

Alright thanks Aggie.

I stayed up late last night watching The Weather Channel.

The destruction, loss of life, is going to be staggering.

9/11 is gonna look like a drive by shooting compared to this.

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 01:15 PM

Sonofabitch.

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 01:16 PM

How far inland is 'safe'?

When you run out of gas.

ChumpDumper

08-28-2005, 01:17 PM

I don't get why they don't start bringing in commercial airliners to get people out.Larger than normal airliners are flying into Gulfport to take folks to Atlanta. Don't know about NOLA.

T Park

08-28-2005, 01:17 PM

but a lot of work for Kori.

Well I shouldn't have said Kori, Id like to rephrase and say, anyone that wants to undertake it.

But agreed, just donating to FEMA and whoever else will be more than likely easier.

Once again, the thought of what is gonna happen, has just floored me.

Its staggering.

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 01:17 PM

When you run out of gas.

I was gonna say, I'd friggin' drive as far as I could. No one really knows what a storm like this is going to do (besides screw a lot of shit up). The farther away you can get, the better.

I'm kinda worried about Baton Rouge - lots of people think that they can just flee to there and be safe, I think this thing is going to ravage that area as well. Think there will be lots of fatalaties there as well. :depressed

Das Texan

08-28-2005, 01:17 PM

When you run out of gas.

and then as far as your body allows you to push the car the rest of the way

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 01:18 PM

Well I shouldn't have said Kori, Id like to rephrase and say, anyone that wants to undertake it.

But agreed, just donating to FEMA and whoever else will be more than likely easier.

Once again, the thought of what is gonna happen, has just floored me.

Its staggering.

Yeah, some of the horror stories I've heard about the Red Cross leave me leery to recommend them.

I will get the scoop from big sis as to be the best place to direct donations, and post here.

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 01:19 PM

This in no way means anything now, but I may have been going to NO at the end of October.

It's weird to think that those plans could be totally out the window based on weather events today/tomorrow.

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 01:20 PM

NOLA flights all end in about 12 minutes. They didn't order a fucking mandatory evacuation untill 7:30 this morning because the fucking mayor was concerned with "legalities".

No one here will honor civil rights more than me, but you don't let civil rights lead you to a fucking death sentence when its obvious what is happening. The dirrector fo the NHC got on the phone with him just to explain to him the seriousness of the situation. What a dumbass.

T Park

08-28-2005, 01:21 PM

Yeah Im a little jaded after 9.11 and hearing them donating some of the money to terrorists's legal fund.

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 01:21 PM

https://disasterhelp.gov/

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 01:21 PM

I agree Manny. They should have been telling everyong to GTFO yesterday morning.

IX_Equilibrium

08-28-2005, 01:22 PM

For any of you in this thread who have cracked jokes, you need to think about the devastation that lies ahead and what these people will have to deal with in the very near future. Not a laughing matter.

Clandestino

08-28-2005, 01:22 PM

T Park

08-28-2005, 01:22 PM

mayor was concerned with "legalities

what the hell kind of legalities are there when it comes to saving people's lives??

good lord.

missmyzte

08-28-2005, 01:22 PM

Just to bring it closer to home ...

The Robert Horry Charity Golf Tournament is going on in Tuscaloosa, Alabama this weekend through Monday, Tuscaloosa is presently in the path of where Katrina is going to hit. This includes a bunch of players including most of the Spurs team. I've contacted the Tournament organizers to see if I can get more information.

Ginofan

08-28-2005, 01:23 PM

I don't know if anyone has discussed this (I haven't read the entire thread) but the predicted storm surge is 18-22ft, and possibly 28ft locally. Hurricane Camille holds the record in the US with 24ft.

Unfortunately, most people currently living in hurricane-prone areas do not understand the threat of storm surge and have never experienced a direct hit by a major hurricane. In South Florida, many people, houses and animals were virtually swept away by storm surge in the great hurricanes of the early part of this century. Yet the collective memory no longer holds these recollections. Instead, mental images of hurricane destruction are likely be those of Hurricane Andrew in 1992. Andrew's peak storm surge, at 5.15 m (16.9 feet) NGVD (NOAA, 1993b) occurred in a very localized area. The vast majority of destruction was caused by winds, not storm surge. Consequently, discussions of future hurricanes typically revolve around the potential wind hazards.
Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_surge)

Notorious H.O.P.

08-28-2005, 01:23 PM

There is no way people should be allowed to "ride this out". I know that transportation options are limited but if I was the goverment and the state of Louisana, I'd send troops, personnel trucks, school buses, moving trucks, eighteen wheelers, etc, etc, etc to get as many people out of there as possible.

After going to the last two Mardi Gras and going to NO five times in the last two years, I was hoping to make two trips a year to NO a tradition. Now I'm glad I was able to visit at all because NO will never be the same. You have to wonder what can be rebuilt and if they'll even try. Of course SOME effort will be made but modern day New Orleans will be a thing of the past. Its sad to imagine the loss of all that history and culture and even sadder to think of the loss of life.

T Park

08-28-2005, 01:23 PM

For any of you in this thread who have cracked jokes, you need to think about the devastation that lies ahead and what these people will have to deal with in the very near future.

I havent seen anyone crack any jokes.

slow your roll.

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 01:25 PM

Today's Times-Picayune front page. PDF.

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/pageone/Sunday.pdf

Samr

08-28-2005, 01:25 PM

That NWS statement is awfully fatalistic. It's creepy to read.

How many do y'all think, realistically, will perish? And how much damage? Or are there just too many variables to have a good guess? I keep hearing all these worst-case-scenario numbers, but I think everyone may be overreacting.

But either way, I am VERY glad I don't have family in the area.

IX_Equilibrium

08-28-2005, 01:25 PM

I havent seen anyone crack any jokes.

slow your roll.

Read the thread

Clandestino

08-28-2005, 01:26 PM

yeah, the devastation andrew left was crazy.

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 01:26 PM

I'm all for civil rights, but in this case where you're not sure if something is legal and you have that many peoples lives at stake, you order the fucking evac and worry about the rest later.

He wasn't sure he could force them out and sieze private property to house people. Apparetnly his attorneys have told him he can, or he doesn't care at this point because thats what they plan on doing.

The sad thing is that the Superdome is where they are going to put a good amount of people, but the Superdome roof is only rated for 200mph winds. This storm is going to have gusts at that level, so even the Superdome is a way less than ideal place to be.

Clandestino

08-28-2005, 01:29 PM

yeah, thousands are going into the superdome.. they will be there for days.. also, on the news they said since the hurricane is so strong right now, they expect hurricane force winds to go into 150 miles inland...

Trainwreck2100

08-28-2005, 01:29 PM

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 01:29 PM

Oh, and while this storm still has a higher pressure than Camille and Andrea, the debate that they were stronger is academic. This storm is much larger and will leave a larger area of devistation. There's a plane about to enter the storm, and they should have the VORTEX reports in soon. That'll give us an idea if it has gotten stronger.

I really wonder how this will impact the insurance industry.

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 01:30 PM

As to deaths..

They say 100,000 are stuck there. I don't think it would be unrealistic to think that if this thing hits NO head on that half of those will die. :(

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 01:30 PM

And you would also have to argue that the economic infrastructure was a lot less during Camille.

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 01:31 PM

Oh yeah, people in MS will definetly feel sustained hurricane force winds. It's going to take a while to die off. People in TN are going to get a fun ride out of this as well.

Trainwreck, intensity forcasts are really tough, but ONLY a catgory four is like saying you're only going to get shot in the head.

Kori Ellis

08-28-2005, 01:32 PM

Hi Tpark, like someone said, we can probably wait a few days and see what's the best thing to do about donations. I hope you are doing well.

LJ's cousin lives/goes to school in N.O. This is so so scary.

Samr

08-28-2005, 01:32 PM

Misti- I am willing to bet a serious ammount of cash (or donate it to the relief funds, whichever you prefer) that the Spurs WILL NOT be going on that trip.

It'd be stupid to send them there. The Spurs organization simply will not allow it.

I don't see the cause for concern, as far as the Spurs' trip goes.

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 01:32 PM

LJ's cousin lives/goes to school in N.O. This is so so scary.

Have you talked to LJ's cousin yet?

T Park

08-28-2005, 01:33 PM

I really wonder how this will impact the insurance industry.

We could be looking at thousands of defaults, and thousands of lawsuits.

As a person who depends on insurance for our business, we are all quite worried about the impact on our price of insurance.

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 01:33 PM

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/wetlands/hurricane1.html

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/wetlands/images/levels2.jpg

Joe Suhayda shows Daniel Zwerdling how high the water would be if New Orleans were hit with a Category Five Hurricane.

http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/wetlands/images/kyagb.jpg

When the computer models showed Walter Maestri what would happen after a hurricane hit New Orleans, he wrote big letters on the map: "KYAGB—kiss your ass good bye."

3rdCoast

08-28-2005, 01:34 PM

I spoke with my parents about an hour ago.

They were in La at the casinos this weekend and they are on their way home now

The highways that are going into La are closed down and traffic is going the opposite way(out of La on those highways) so all traffic is going out of town, no more incoming traffic.

The hotels and casinos would not let anyone stya there anymore, they said they all must leave.

What a mess.

Kori Ellis

08-28-2005, 01:35 PM

Have you talked to LJ's cousin yet?

Yes, I just did. He drove all night and just got home to San Antonio.

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 01:37 PM

Yes, I just did. He drove all night and just got home to San Antonio.

Good to hear.

Samr

08-28-2005, 01:37 PM

Anyone care to explain why they have not issued a mandatory evac for Mobile yet?

I would tell EVERYONE in a costal town to get the hell out immediately. Fines if you are seen on the street and not headed North. Screw the legality of it all, and get these people out now.

T Park

08-28-2005, 01:38 PM

I hope you are doing well.

compared to lj's cousin, and these people in NO MISS and ALA??

Im feeling like a Rockafeller.

T Park

08-28-2005, 01:40 PM

Biloxi as well.

He drove all night and just got home to San Antonio

Bless the lord, awesome news.

missmyzte

08-28-2005, 01:40 PM

Samr

08-28-2005, 01:42 PM

edit: I stand corrected Misti. I am willing to bet money they will be LEAVING immediately. (they are currently in Alabama- she corrected me elsewhere)

The issues right now are with people who cannot afford/are too stupid to evacuate. i.e. not professional athletes with ~60 million invested in personel.

Clandestino

08-28-2005, 01:44 PM

FOX news: I can hear a lone horn playing Amazing Grace.

I bet it is weird to hear that.

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 01:45 PM

http://www.crownweather.com/katrinasurge.gif

Shelly

08-28-2005, 01:46 PM

Tucsaloosa is pretty far inland. Weather.com is predicting heavy rain, so I'm sure their will be some flooding. Wind speeds were around 40 mph.

How much do you think it will weaken once it starts moving over land?

ChumpDumper

08-28-2005, 01:46 PM

I imagine they'll be spending the rest of the weekend in Atlanta if the forecast is serious enough.

TOP-CHERRY

08-28-2005, 01:47 PM

Yes, I just did. He drove all night and just got home to San Antonio.
That's great.

I hope people can make it out of there. I can't imagine the fear that must be going through their heads.

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 01:47 PM

FUCK!

Hurricane hunters:
central pressure of 902 mb (barometric pressure of 26.59 inches)
Sustained winds of 184 mph.

Getting stronger.

T Park

08-28-2005, 01:47 PM

this could be 911 and the Tsunami all wrapped in one, after this storm finally dies.

When it gets to ground in the middle of the country, they are talking of continued heavy rain, and and multiple tornados.

Clandestino

08-28-2005, 01:48 PM

TOP-CHERRY

08-28-2005, 01:49 PM

Hurricane hunters:
central pressure of 902 mb
Sustained winds of 184 mph.

Getting stronger.
My God...

Shelly

08-28-2005, 01:50 PM

The latest from weather.com

Hurricane Katrina is an extremely dangerous Category 5 storm on the Saffir-Simpson scale. Maximum sustained winds are at 175 mph. Katrina continues not only grow stronger, but it continues to grow larger. Hurricane-force winds extend 90 miles from the center on the eastern side of Katrina, 75 miles to the northwest and 50 miles to the southwest. Sustained tropical storm force winds are not far from the Gulf Coast and should move in later this afternoon. Katrina has turned and is moving northwest at 13 mph with a turn to the north expected tonight.

Everyone along the northern Gulf of Mexico should be completing preparations for a major hurricane and take heed of evacutation orders. Hurricane warnings are up from Morgan City, La., to the Florida-Alabama border. This includes the city of New Orleans and Lake Pontchartrain. A tropical storm warning and a hurricane watch have been issued from the Alabama-Florida border eastward to Destin, Florida and from west of Morgan City to Intracoastal City, Louisiana.

A storm surge of 20 to 25 feet or more is possible along and to the east of Katrina's landfall point Monday. On top of the water rise, pounding waves of 20 to 40 feet will produce catastrophic damage at coastal locations.

Effects from Katrina will not be confined to coastal areas. Once Hurricane Katrina makes landfall, it will progress inland Monday into Tuesday with a trail of flooding rains and damaging winds across Mississippi and Alabama and then into Tennessee. Torrential, flooding rainfall is possible with the remnants of Katrina well inland, possibly into the Ohio Valley, Great Lakes and the Northeast later this week.

Elsewhere, there are two areas of low pressure in the central Atlantic. The first area of low pressure is located several hundred miles east of the Lesser Antilles. This system continues to show signs of organization and could become the next tropical depression later today or Monday. It could approach the Lesser Antilles in the next 2 to 3 days.

The other area of interest is a low pressure system that has just come off the African coast. This system also has the potential to develop into a tropical depression later today or Monday.

Tropical Depression Irwin continues to weaken in the eastern Pacific Ocean. Top winds are down to 30 mph and it may dissipate in the next 24 hours.

In the northwest Pacific Talim has become a typhoon and is forecast to grow to a 120 mph typhoon before moving across Taiwan and into mainland China in the next 3 to 4 days.

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 01:50 PM

Damn, if the winds keep getting stronger, the Superdome may well turn into a death trap.

Ginofan

08-28-2005, 01:51 PM

FUCK!

Hurricane hunters:
central pressure of 902 mb
Sustained winds of 184 mph.

Getting stronger.

Yeah I just saw that on the Weather Channel. The 184 mph was recorded in the fly through though, it's like 175mph at the surface...not that it makes much of a difference in the grand scheme of things. Katrina is fucking strong, Camille was at 909 mb and Andrew was 922 mb at landfall.

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 01:52 PM

JB, you're right about the incrased infrastructure. There are way more people there.

One thing you guys need to remember is that it is virtually impossible for some of those people to leave. I feel bad for tourists who are stranded. That must be very fucked.

They have the highways going 2 directions, but that ends at 4. I guess at that point they figure you're better off staying than getting stuck on the highway during the storm.

Jesus.

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 01:53 PM

I saw on MSNBC a bit ago that the mayor declared hotel employees as "essential".

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 01:53 PM

184 is the surface wind. 191kts was recorded at the flight level. I wonder if this was in the NE or NW quadrant. If it was in the NW, then the flythrough of the NE quadrant on the way out will probably show stronger winds.

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 01:54 PM

Manny, not sure where you're getting two ways for the highways (?). Reporters on the ground in NO say I-10 is running one way - west - for all lanes.

Same for other roads leading north.

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 01:56 PM

Ha, If I'm a bellhop I'm not essential. What I am is in a car on I10 on the way to my friends house in SA.

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 01:58 PM

AHF, I said they will stop the contraflow at 4pm. Thats still 2 hours away bud.

T Park

08-28-2005, 01:58 PM

there is no reason for this.. they have had plenty of warning

3 thousand died in 9/11.

theres are hundreds of thousands that cant get out.

Not just NO, Biloxi, Tuscaloosa, all these waterfront towns.

We are kind focused on NO this most, but ALA and MS will get mauled as well.

This will go down as the worst natural, and unnatural disaster in the history of the world.

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 01:58 PM

err, I realized my mistake. They start them back up going 2 directions at 4pm. Sorry.

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 02:00 PM

Well, worst in the history of the US. This kind of storm only comes along a couple of times during a lifetime.

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 02:02 PM

They're reading that NWS notice on FoxNews right now.

HURRICANE KATRINA
A MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE WITH UNPRECEDENTED
STRENGTH...RIVALING THE INTENSITY OF HURRICANE CAMILLE OF 1969.

MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS...PERHAPS LONGER. AT
LEAST ONE HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL
FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL...LEAVING THOSE HOMES SEVERELY
DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.

THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BECOME NON FUNCTIONAL.
PARTIAL TO COMPLETE WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD
FRAMED LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE
BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENTS WILL SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE...INCLUDING SOME
WALL AND ROOF FAILURE.

HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A
FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT.

AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH
AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY
VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED. THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE
ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS...PETS...AND LIVESTOCK EXPOSED TO THE
WINDS WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK.

POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS...AS MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN
AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING
INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS.

THE VAST MAJORITY OF NATIVE TREES WILL BE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED. ONLY
THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT BE TOTALLY DEFOLIATED. FEW
CROPS WILL REMAIN. LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL BE
KILLED.

AN INLAND HURRICANE WIND WARNING IS ISSUED WHEN SUSTAINED WINDS NEAR
HURRICANE FORCE...OR FREQUENT GUSTS AT OR ABOVE HURRICANE FORCE...ARE
CERTAIN WITHIN THE NEXT 12 TO 24 HOURS.

ONCE TROPICAL STORM AND HURRICANE FORCE WINDS ONSET...DO NOT VENTURE
OUTSIDE!

missmyzte

08-28-2005, 02:03 PM

There are freaking people PLAYING ON THE BEACH. How stupid can you be???

Shelly

08-28-2005, 02:04 PM

3 thousand died in 9/11.

theres are hundreds of thousands that cant get out.

Not just NO, Biloxi, Tuscaloosa, all these waterfront towns.

We are kind focused on NO this most, but ALA and MS will get mauled as well.

This will go down as the worst natural, and unnatural disaster in the history of the world.

Tuscaloosa is in the northern part of the state. It's an hour southish of Birmingham.

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 02:07 PM

This storm will have winds of at least an f3 tornado and more than likely an f4. Only this one will be 30 miles wide.

Clandestino

08-28-2005, 02:08 PM

there should be no tourists near the area. if you have enough money to be a tourist in NO, then you have enough to get out.

and fuck that... if i'm a hotel worker, i'm getting the fuck out of town...

T Park

08-28-2005, 02:08 PM

Manny, well if were gonna do that, then someone has to look up most devastation and loss of life in the world history.

I dunno, this is just a moron like me babbling, but, who knows.

ChumpDumper

08-28-2005, 02:11 PM

there should be no tourists near the area. if you have enough money to be a tourist in NO, then you have enough to get out.Nice idle bitch, but what are you suposed to do when your flight is cancelled and you can't rent a car? If they're in a relatively new hotel above the 3rd floor they could be ok. Of course many are going to be in the dome.

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 02:14 PM

Yeah, tourists have been having trouble renting cars since yesterday, and there were all kinds of overbookings on flights today.

T Park

08-28-2005, 02:15 PM

If they're in a relatively new hotel above the 3rd floor they could be ok.

I dont know of anyone is safe in ANYTHING.

This storm could hit 200 MPH.

If it hits that, I would assume that everything it the 30 mile radius, is LEVLED!

Clandestino

08-28-2005, 02:15 PM

this hurricane, didn't just pop up yesterday. it has been coming for a while now..

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 02:16 PM

Some ocean buoys to watch...

http://tabs.gerg.tamu.edu/Tglo/ (root site for the next 2 links - Texas ocean buoys)

http://tabs.gerg.tamu.edu/Tglo/ndbc.php?buoy=42038

http://tabs.gerg.tamu.edu/Tglo/ven.php?buoy=R

Root site for Gulf buoys...
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/radial_search.php?lat1=26.0N&lon1=88.1W&dist=250&time=3

Some highlights from there:

Pensacola buoy (24 ft. waves!)
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42039

Southwest Pass, LA
(just has wind readings, but still...)
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=BURL1

Grand Isle, LA (wind)
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=GDIL1

Tambour Bay, LA (wind)
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=TAML1

LUMCON Marine Center, LA
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=LUML1

180 nm South of Southwest Pass, LA
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42001

64 nm South of Dauphin Pass, LA
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42040

22 nm South of Biloxi, MS
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=42007

Shelly

08-28-2005, 02:16 PM

this hurricane, didn't just pop up yesterday. it has been coming for a while now..

yeah, but orginally it wasn't going towards NO.

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 02:21 PM

yeah, but orginally it wasn't going towards NO.

Part of me feels that they should have been getting the hell out of dodge as soon as NO was pegged as a target (which was Thursday).

You don't gamble with your life, and it looks like many did and are going to lose.

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 02:22 PM

there were all kinds of overbookings on flights today.

Hell, stack people in the fucking aisles if you have to, leave behind their belongings, outside of medicines.

This isn't about saving property anymore, it's about saving lives.

Shelly

08-28-2005, 02:22 PM

Tonight Tomorrow Tomorrow Night

Rain / Thunder / Wind
Rain / Thunder / Wind Low
82° F
Precip: 100%
Very windy with bands of heavy rain showers along with some thunder. Warm. Low 82F. NE winds at 35 to 50 mph, increasing to 70 to 90 mph. Rainfall may reach two inches.

Rainy Day Plant Care

Heavy Rain / Wind
Heavy Rain / Wind High
85° F
Precip: 100%
Showery rains containing strong gusty winds and heavy downpours at times. High around 85F. NNE winds at 80 to 100 mph, diminishing to 70 to 90 mph. Rainfall over two inches. Wind gusts could reach 125 mph.

Rainy Day Plant Care

Rain / Wind Early
Rain / Wind Early Low
77° F
Precip: 90%
Very windy. Rain showers with heavy downpours at times early will taper to a few showers late. Low 77F. SW winds at 40 to 60 mph, diminishing to 25 to 40 mph. Chance of rain 90%. Rainfall may reach two inches.

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 02:24 PM

Yeah thats just fucking surreal

cherylsteele

08-28-2005, 02:25 PM

this hurricane, didn't just pop up yesterday. it has been coming for a while now..

They initially expected it to take an immediate turn north when it came into the gulf....instead it went SW for a good distance which changed all the predictions.

Plus it became a CAT 5 almost instantly as it entered the gulf. It also did not weaken as it crossed florida like the NWS predicted.

This could become the worst natural disaster in US history, you still have 100,000 people who are nt going to leave the NO area. The 1900 Galveston hurricane killed 10,000 (a record) Katrina could realistically break it easily if people lose what brain power the good lord gave 'em.

Shelly

08-28-2005, 02:26 PM

http://image.weather.com/images/maps/tropical/map_spectrop02_ltst_6nh_enus_600x405.jpg

Shelly

08-28-2005, 02:28 PM

http://sirocco.accuweather.com/nx_mosaic_400x300c/SIR/inmaSIRSE.gif

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 02:31 PM

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 02:31 PM

That eye is 30 miles wide and has been that way for quite some time. Eye wall replacement cycles usually begin when the eye is 9 miles wide. I don't know if this storm will undergo one before landfall or not. I thought it would have but who knows at this point.

If it started one before landfall, that woudl be the best case scenario. It could drop down to cat 4 status, but that might even be out of reach now considering the strength.

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 02:32 PM

They don't understand because they've never seen something like this. They'll realize it when their dying.

I don't feel so bad for the stupid people who are staying, but I do feeling tremedously horrible for the people without the ability to leave. I'm still trying to fathom 100k with no transportation.

Trainwreck2100

08-28-2005, 02:33 PM

I wonder how many Nat. Guard members would be available to go when this is all over

Sonia_TX

08-28-2005, 02:34 PM

I have a very good friend that just moved to NO with his family. I haven't heard from them but I am hoping for some sort of update as to if they got out of there. I'm pretty sure they have. I just worry!

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 02:36 PM

This thing is a fucking beast and has compacted at the core Manny. I don't see any more eye wall replacements unfortunately, this thing is strong as hell.

Ginofan

08-28-2005, 02:36 PM

Fox News is interviewing people in bars and the one guy they got seems to think the levy system will hold.

I'm surprised nobody called out Fox.

The anchors are laughing at the guy talking.

This is sad and funny at the same time.

I just caught that man, How the hell are you going to have a bar open for these kinds of people??

If you have no way of getting out then get your ass to a shelter. If you have a way of getting out and you choose to stay anyway, ignoring the magnitude of this thing, you're just plain STUPID!

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 02:38 PM

Damn watching all these traffic jams, a lot of people are going to get stuck on the road and drown :(

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 02:38 PM

Just since somebody brought up the Saints earlier...

The Saints will use the facilities at San Jose St. Univ. this upcoming week.

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 02:41 PM

An eyewall replacement has nothing to do with how compact it is.

Ivan last year underwent faster EWRCs last year which held it at a steadier strength, but there haven't been signs of this storm doing that.

They simply don't know what the hell is going on with this storm.

rl64tx

08-28-2005, 02:41 PM

Fuck the weather channel I get all my weather updates here!!! Thanks to all the Resident Experts at ST.com!!!! :drunk

Horry For 3!

08-28-2005, 02:41 PM

Ima tell this hot girl who lives in NO to come to my house so she'll be safe. :)

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 02:45 PM

I don't know if anyone has brought it up, but I wonder how the response will be handled with much of the guardsmen overseas in Iraq.

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 02:46 PM

Turn on Fox News right now.

Shepard Smith is arguing with a resident.

Trainwreck2100

08-28-2005, 02:46 PM

I don't know if anyone has brought it up, but I wonder how the response will be handled with much of the guardsmen overseas in Iraq.

I brought it up but nobody answered,

Meanwhile

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/tafb_latest/danger_atl_latestBW.gif

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 02:47 PM

Manny, my point is with the strength of this thing I don't think traditional hurricane "rules" apply here.

For example we had a wave of storms blow through Dallas last night moving to the southest.

The weather people here are saying today that it was an in-flow boundary that was sucked into the Katrina system.

Think about that, we're about 500 miles as the crow flies, Oklahoma 600 miles, and it's sucking weather in from that far away.

Sense

08-28-2005, 02:47 PM

wow... 7 pages already

rl64tx

08-28-2005, 02:50 PM

wow... 7 pages already

Sense....I love the Tpark sig

:lmao

Trainwreck2100

08-28-2005, 02:50 PM

wow... 7 pages already

Still not close to beating quatrro

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 02:51 PM

AHF, storms of this magnitude are the ones that undergo EWRC on a regular basis. And yeah, the storm has been affecting Texas weather for hte past coulpe of days.

This storm is huge area-wise. It is something I may never see again.

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 02:51 PM

If I had to go stay in the Superdome I'd be dragging along a shovel. This shit about the snakes scares the hell out of me. Gotta defend yourself yo.

ChumpDumper

08-28-2005, 02:55 PM

The dome sounds like one of the highest places in town -- I wonder if they could use the arena too if many enough people showed up.

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 02:56 PM

Cell phone services are beginning to get disrupted.

Ginofan

08-28-2005, 03:01 PM

You can't bring your pets to the shelters...that's really sad, but I guess understandable.

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 03:20 PM

More bad news...

http://www.tidelinesonline.com/

High tide in New Orleans = 7 AM, Monday morning.

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 03:26 PM

Worst case scenario.

I still amazed they are only planning on letting 30 thousand into the superdome. What the fuck man.

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 03:27 PM

Worst case scenario.

I still amazed they are only planning on letting 30 thousand into the superdome. What the fuck man.

I'm totally guessing, but do you think it could be that they are only going to use the upper-decks in case of flooding into the dome?

Ginofan

08-28-2005, 03:27 PM

More bad news...

http://www.tidelinesonline.com/

High tide in New Orleans = 7 AM, Monday morning.

This surge will kick Camille's surge record out of the water.

scott

08-28-2005, 03:28 PM

I have a bad feeling about this Superdome thing...

Ginofan

08-28-2005, 03:28 PM

I'm totally guessing, but do you think it could be that they are only going to use the upper-decks in case of flooding into the dome?

They said the field and ground level will be flooded.

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 03:30 PM

I have a bad feeling about this Superdome thing...

I'm starting to agree with you.

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 03:32 PM

Yeah, I'm with you on the Superdome. They're saying the field will be flooded. Think about it, you're in confined structure and get to watch the water level rise on the inside, knowing it's way higher on the outside.

And there will be snakes pouring in too. This has got horror story written all over it.

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 03:34 PM

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 03:36 PM

I know about the oil, but there has to be other things like chemical factories and such near there?

What about that?

Well, there are nuclear reactors within 20-25 miles of both New Orleans and Baton Rouge.

ObiwanGinobili

08-28-2005, 03:37 PM

I have a bad feeling about this Superdome thing...

I'm getting mental images from "the Poseidon Adventure".. when they are all in the ball room.. and the ship turns upside down... and they water breaks thru the huge glass window....... *shudder*

HB22inSA

08-28-2005, 03:37 PM

Damn, and we were planning to go to the new casino and resort in Lake Charles in 2 weeks!!!

Samr

08-28-2005, 03:41 PM

Wow..................whoever said something about the Superdome thing, yeah, that really worries me as well.

Get a whole bunch of people in a stadium which may not hold, and you have a massive grave if it all collapses.

But what REALLY scares the ever-loving shit out of me is thinking of all those people stuck in traffic (I assume traffic conditions will be the same, or near the same, at landfall). All those people stuck in cars, below sea level. I would have brought some WalMart inflatable rafts with me, or hooked up a boat and trailer if I had time.

But I'm not in NOLA, and I am sure I would have been panicing and not thinking a LONG time ago. It's easier to comment on this being safely in San Antonio.

Trainwreck2100

08-28-2005, 03:41 PM

This type of disaster shouldn't happen in this day and age in this country. It just should NOT fucking happen. I know people will say this will bring out the best of America in the aftermath, but I also think it exhibits the worst.

Why are there still people there? Could you imagine how you would feel if you drove out of NO without a full carload? I woudl be beyond guilty.

Maybe I'm just a bit too idealistic for this shit, but it doesn't make sense to me. We should have been able to do something about it.

1 word, POLITICS obviously the mayor didn't act early enough, but Im sure he was advised against jumping the gun because it would have been a political disaster, now it could end up being the worst disaster in the history of our country.

Ginofan

08-28-2005, 03:42 PM

Also the disease that will commence after the hurricane blows through. All that water just sitting there in the bowl not being pumped out because of lack of electricity. This is going to be beyond sad...actually it already is.

Shelly

08-28-2005, 03:43 PM

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 03:44 PM

Damn, and we were planning to go to the new casino and resort in Lake Charles in 2 weeks!!!
Yeah, your plans put on hold are definetly a tragedy.

What the hell is it with people today?

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 03:45 PM

Well, there are nuclear reactors within 20-25 miles of both New Orleans and Baton Rouge.

Reactors have to be able to withstand the impact of an airliner, which is much more brutal than what this hurricane can throw at it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

This type of disaster shouldn't happen in this day and age in this country. It just should NOT fucking happen. I know people will say this will bring out the best of America in the aftermath, but I also think it exhibits the worst.

Why are there still people there? Could you imagine how you would feel if you drove out of NO without a full carload? I woudl be beyond guilty.

Maybe I'm just a bit too idealistic for this shit, but it doesn't make sense to me. We should have been able to do something about it.

1 word, POLITICS obviously the mayor didn't act early enough, but Im sure he was advised against jumping the gun because it would have been a political disaster, now it could end up being the worst disaster in the history of our country.

I'll say it - just another example of how bad this country's legal system is. They were basically paralyzed by fear of litigation. Total bullshit, but a very real problem thanks to the many asshole lawyers in this country.

ObiwanGinobili

08-28-2005, 03:46 PM

CNN has live pictures of people linging up outside the Superdome to get it....

apparently they are putting special needs people inside1st on priority.. they mentioned people who are on dialysis and so on......

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 03:46 PM

Damn, and we were planning to go to the new casino and resort in Lake Charles in 2 weeks!!!

They're going to need tens of thousands of body bags in New Orleans, and you're bitching about your gambling trip.

Sad.

ObiwanGinobili

08-28-2005, 03:46 PM

oh.. they also said that they have "allready confiscated several guns and assorted weapons".....

Manu20

08-28-2005, 03:48 PM

As of 4pm Katrina has winds of 165mph with gusts to 200mph. Down 10mph since the last advisory.
Let's hope it continues to weaken.

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 03:48 PM

Shepard Smith asked some guy why he was sitting there in a bar with a hurricane coming.

Answer: "none of your fucking business."

Idiot.

ChumpDumper

08-28-2005, 03:49 PM

heh -- you saw it too

Shelly

08-28-2005, 03:49 PM

Katrina's Effects, at a Glance

By The Associated Press
The Associated Press
Sunday, August 28, 2005; 4:09 PM

-- Hurricane Katrina's effects, at a glance:

FLORIDA:

Katrina hit the southern tip of Florida on Thursday as a much weaker storm, then headed into the Gulf of Mexico and strengthened to a Category 5 Hurricane.

_ Deaths: Nine

_ Evacuations: As the storm aimed at the Gulf Coast, people on Navarre Beach, Pensacola Beach and Perdido Key were urged to evacuate Sunday.

_ Power outages: About 515,000 customers in South Florida remained without power as of early Sunday.

_ Monetary damage estimates: Initial computer modeling estimates pegged the insured wind damage at $600 million to $2 billion.

LOUISIANA:

_ Evacuations: New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin ordered the entire city of 485,000 to evacuate. For those who couldn't, the city opened 10 shelters, including the Superdome, and urged people to bring three- to five-days worth of supplies.

ALABAMA:

_ Evacuations: Evacuations ordered for coastal and low-lying areas of south Mobile County and the beachfront and flood-prone areas of Baldwin County.

Flooding reported on Dauphin Island.

MISSISSIPPI:

Gov. Haley Barbour declared a state of emergency Saturday.

_ Evacuations: Residents all along the Mississippi Gulf Coast headed inland Sunday.

GULF OF MEXICO:

_ Oil companies shut down 1 million barrels of daily production in the Gulf, but that amount could be far higher because not every producer reports data, said Peter Beutel, an oil analyst with Cameron Hanover.

QUOTE:

"I'm really scared. I've been through hurricanes, but this one scares me. I think everybody needs to get out." _ Linda Young, 37, while filling up her gas tank in New Orleans.

Samr

08-28-2005, 03:49 PM

They said winds are down to 165 mph. Not like that makes a difference. Hats (and roofs) are flying either way.

But let's think about this Superdome thing for a second....they cram 30k people in there. The water covers the field and, I am assuming, blocks all entrances/exits. Then come the snakes, sewage, etc with the flood water. Nevermind all the debris pounding the arena from the outside. And the roof? Someone said it was only rated for like 175 mph (I think). If that starts to collapse?

With the debris comming in from the top, and the water comming up from below, it'd be like shooting fish in a barrel. Only instead of fish, they're humans. And instead of a barrel, it is a massive stadium housing 30,000 people.

I'll take my chances in smaller buildings where I can hack my way onto the roof if need be.

Ginofan

08-28-2005, 03:51 PM

at 4 Pm Cdt...2100z...the Center Of Hurricane Katrina Was Located
Near Latitude 26.9 North... Longitude 89.0 West Or About 150 Miles
South Of The Mouth Of The Mississippi River.

Katrina Is Moving Toward The Northwest Near 13 Mph...and A Gradual
Turn To The North Is Expected Over The Next 24 Hours. On This
Track The Center Of The Hurricane Will Be Near The Northern Gulf
Coast Early Monday. However...conditions Are Already Beginning To
Deteriorate Along Portions Of The Central And Northeastern Gulf
Coast...and Will Continue To Worsen Through The Night.

Maximum Sustained Winds Are Near 165 Mph...with Higher Gusts.
Katrina Is A Potentially Catastrophic Category Five Hurricane On
The Saffir-simpson Scale. Some Fluctuations In Strength Are Likely
Until Landfall. Katrina Is Expected To Make Landfall At Category
Four Or Five Intensity. Winds Affecting The Upper Floors Of
High-rise Buildings Will Be Significantly Stronger Than Those Near
Ground Level.

Katrina Is A Large Hurricane. Hurricane Force Winds Extend Outward
Up To 105 Miles From The Center...and Tropical Storm Force Winds
Extend Outward Up To 230 Miles. Sustained Tropical Storm Force
Winds Are Occurring Over The Southeast Louisiana Coast. Southwest
Pass...near The Mouth Of The Mississippi River...recently Reported
Sustained Winds Of 48 Mph With Gusts To 53 Mph.

A Noaa Hurricane Hunter Plane Reported A Minimum Central Pressure Of
902 Mb...26.64 Inches.

Coastal Storm Surge Flooding Of 18 To 22 Feet Above Normal Tide
Levels...locally As High As 28 Feet...along With Large And Dangerous
Battering Waves...can Be Expected Near And To The East Of Where The
Center Makes Landfall. Some Levees In The Greater New Orleans Area
Could Be Overtopped. Significant Storm Surge Flooding Will Occur
Elsewhere Along The Central And Northeastern Gulf Of Mexico Coast.

Rainfall Totals Of 5 To 10 Inches...with Isolated Maximum Amounts Of
15 Inches...are Possible Along The Path Of Katrina Across The Gulf
Coast And The Tennessee Valley. Rainfall Totals Of 4 To 8 Inches
Are Possible Across The Ohio Valley Into The Eastern Great Lakes
Region Tuesday And Wednesday.

Isolated Tornadoes Will Be Possible Beginning This Evening Over
Southern Portions Of Louisiana...mississippi...and Alabama...and
Over The Florida Panhandle.

Repeating The 4 Pm Cdt Position...26.9 N... 89.0 W. Movement
Toward...northwest Near 13 Mph. Maximum Sustained Winds...165 Mph.
Minimum Central Pressure... 902 Mb.

An Intermediate Advisory Will Be Issued By The National Hurricane
Center At 7 Pm Cdt Followed By The Next Complete Advisory At 10 Pm
Cdt.

ChumpDumper

08-28-2005, 03:51 PM

The entrances look well above street level.

Shelly

08-28-2005, 03:51 PM

I would not want to be in the superdome at all. Y'all are right. I have a bad feeling about it. I hope I'm wrong.

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 03:51 PM

Shepard Smith asked some guy why he was sitting there in a bar with a hurricane coming.

Answer: "none of your fucking business."

Idiot.

Damnit! I wanted to hear that.

The joys of live TV.

Shep's also got to take some of the blame. People always tell journalists to stop asking stupid questions.

Also, as with live TV, he (or a producer) should have asked the guy prior to going live if he could talk with him.

Trainwreck2100

08-28-2005, 03:52 PM

ObiwanGinobili

08-28-2005, 03:53 PM

I'm really worried about he roof of the Superdome.. .especiually since they;ve said that so far they have 10,000 special needs people in there allready...... gesh.

Manu20

08-28-2005, 03:53 PM

Hurricane Katrina Discussion Number 24

Statement as of 5:00 PM EDT on August 28, 2005

Katrina is maintaining a classic presentation on satellite
images...and category 5 intensity. The central pressure measured
by a NOAA hurricane hunter plane at 1755z and 1923z was 902
mb...which is the fourth lowest on record in the Atlantic Basin
behind hurricane Gilbert of 1988...the Labor Day hurricane of
1935...and hurricane Allen of 1980. Having said that...data from
the stepped-frequency microwave radiometer instrument on board the
aircraft suggest that the surface to 700 mb flight level wind ratio
is not quite as large as we typically use...and the initial
intensity is adjusted slightly to 145 kt. Hurricanes do not
maintain such great intensity for very long. However there are no
obvious large-scale mechanisms...such as increased vertical
shear...to weaken Katrina. The hurricane is likely to make
landfall with category 4 or 5 intensity.

There is not much change to the track forecast philosophy. Initial
motion is about 315/11. Katrina is expected to gradually turn
northward into a break in the subtropical ridge associated with a
large mid-latitude cyclone near the Great Lakes. The 12z GFDL
hurricane model's track has shifted a little westward...as has the
latest NOGAPS run. The official forecast is slightly to the west
and slightly faster than the previous NHC track. This is very
close to both the dynamical model consensus... and to the latest
FSU superensemble track. Among our most reliable models...only the
U.K. Met. Office is significantly to the east of the official
forecast track. It should be noted that the small change in the
official forecast track is essentially at the noise level. One
should not focus on the exact track...particularly in the case of a
hurricane as large as this one. Destructive effects will likely be
felt well away from the center and it is not possible to specify
which counties or parishes will experience the worst conditions.

On the basis of aircraft flight level and SFMR surface wind
data...the wind radii have been expanded even more over the
northern semicircle. Hurricane force winds are forecast to spread
at least 150 N mi inland along the path of Katrina. Consult inland
hurricane and tropical storm warnings issued by National Weather
Service forecast offices.

Forecaster Pasch

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 03:53 PM

Camille aftermath...

http://www.geocities.com/hurricanene/hurricanecamille.htm

Downtown NO could look like that tomorrow.

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 03:53 PM

I just heard on CNN that the cops are starting to pick up homeless people and taking them to the Superdome.

Good to hear. Sort of.

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 03:54 PM

Hmmm...down to 165 mph.

Not much comparing, but it's a start.

Ginofan

08-28-2005, 03:54 PM

The rain has started to fall.

2pac

08-28-2005, 03:54 PM

The Superdome is built to withstand 200MPH winds.

It is build solidly and build about 20 feet above street level. Below it are many levels of parking. It is also built to deflect wind, not to be pushed in by it. I think its going to be alright - aside from many many fights.

HB22inSA

08-28-2005, 03:55 PM

They're going to need tens of thousands of body bags in New Orleans, and you're bitching about your gambling trip.

Sad.
I don't gamble.

And these people had plenty of warning to get out of town.

Ginofan

08-28-2005, 03:56 PM

I don't gamble.

And these people had plenty of warning to get out of town.

Alot of people don't have the means to get out of town! No transportation or anything!

2pac

08-28-2005, 03:57 PM

I don't gamble.

And these people had plenty of warning to get out of town.

Look at the other threads. ~100,000 people in NO have no form of transportation.

What about tourists that cant rent cars and canat fly out?

Poor people?

Disabled people?

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 03:58 PM

And these people had plenty of warning to get out of town.

Again...

1. They didn't have NO pegged until yesterday

2. There's lots of homeless/poor who have no means of getting out.

Quit being such a dick.

rl64tx

08-28-2005, 03:59 PM

Alot of people don't have the means to get out of town! No transportation or anything!

But they also have known since Thursday this monster was coming!!! :tu also means give me a fucking ride outta here!!! :drunk

HB22inSA

08-28-2005, 04:00 PM

All I know is that if I was leaving town, and if I had room in a vehicle for people, I woudl find SOMEBODY to take. I couldn't fathom leaving other people behind.
Exactly. If you're motivated enough to get out and not potentially die, then you will.

It's all about motivation. But I do understand, there are a few that absolutely can't get out.

It's a no-win situation for everyone.

Aggie Hoopsfan

08-28-2005, 04:01 PM

Damn, it just occurred to me - this thing could spin the entire US economy into a recession, between the loss of oil production/refineries to the loss of a major US port for sometime.

ChumpDumper

08-28-2005, 04:01 PM

The national guard is using the dome as a staging area as well. Should have decent security -- I hope everyone cen find some shelter. Could be horrible if folks are turned away. I'd break into an office building in that case I guess.

rl64tx

08-28-2005, 04:02 PM

HB22inSA

08-28-2005, 04:03 PM

Quit being such a dick.
Ouch!! I've been called worse.

But why do 99.999% of the posters here always resort to name calling if their opinions are challenged?

scott

08-28-2005, 04:03 PM

Trainwreck2100

08-28-2005, 04:03 PM

I don't gamble.

And these people had plenty of warning to get out of town.

Having warning and a means are 2 different things.

ObiwanGinobili

08-28-2005, 04:04 PM

All I know is that if I was leaving town, and if I had room in a vehicle for people, I woudl find SOMEBODY to take. I couldn't fathom leaving other people behind.

:tu thats awsome. Thats awesome...in fact I'd like you to move next door to me 'casue in case of an emergency I'd most likely need a ride.

unfortunatly most people get the "me 1st" attitude in situatutions like this and will even fuck other people over to make them selves just >< that much safer....... :depressed it;s sad.

Ginofan

08-28-2005, 04:05 PM

Damn, it just occurred to me - this thing could spin the entire US economy into a recession, between the loss of oil production/refineries to the loss of a major US port for sometime.

They were talking about this earlier on FoxNews. They were saying supposedly there is a stash the president could tap into that covers the amount of production the Gulf does in a year, I think... It's only supposed to be tapped in a case of production being disruppted. This would proubably make a strong case for it. I suggest people fill up today if you can.

Das Texan

08-28-2005, 04:06 PM

Again...

1. They didn't have NO pegged until yesterday

2. There's lots of homeless/poor who have no means of getting out.

Quit being such a dick.

but NOLA has been bascailly right in the middle of the cone since thursday.

2pac

08-28-2005, 04:08 PM

And it has only been a cat5 since today.

Cat3 is no problem, but it wasnt expected to get this strong.

Trainwreck2100

08-28-2005, 04:10 PM

And it has only been a cat5 since today.

Cat3 is no problem, but it wasnt expected to get this strong.

I brought that up earluer, overnight it skipped pass 4 right to 5

Shelly

08-28-2005, 04:10 PM

New Orleans braces for 'the big one'

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- A solemn New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin ordered mandatory evacuations Sunday as his city faced its worst fear -- the threat of a direct hit from a major hurricane that could swamp the low-lying city.

By mid-morning Sunday, Katrina was a Category 5 hurricane with maximum sustained winds near 175 mph. It was expected to make landfall Monday morning. Category 5 is the most intense category on the Saffir-Simpson scale of intensity. (Full story)

Officials are particularly concerned about New Orleans because about 70 percent of the city is below sea level.

The city essentially sits in a bowl, protected by a series of levies that keep the Mississippi River waters out.

Nagin warned that Katrina's expected storm surge -- which could top 28 feet -- would likely topple those levies.

"We are facing a storm that most of us have feared," Nagin said. "I don't want to create panic, but I do want the citizens to understand that this is very serious, and it is of the highest nature."

Nagin said the city's shelters should be used as a last resort and said that people who use them should bring enough food, water and supplies to last for several days. He said that the Superdome, the city's main shelter, "is not going to be a very comfortable place at some point in time."

"The shelters will end up probably without electricity or with minimum electricity from generators in the end," Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said. "There may be intense flooding that will be not in our control which would be ultimately the most dangerous situation that many of our people could face."

Residents who had delayed their departure -- some not quite believing that Katrina could be the storm New Orleans authorities have always called "the Big One" -- jammed Interstate 10 westbound, prompting Blanco to urge evacuees to go north.

In worst-case scenarios, most of New Orleans would end up under 15 feet of water, without electricity, clean water and sewage for as long as six months. Even pumping the water out could take as long as four months to get started because the massive pumps that would do the job would be underwater.

Nagin also cautioned that the port of New Orleans handles much of the nation's oil transportation, meaning that an interruption in operations could have "a significant impact on the cost of oil." (Full storyexternal link)

He said it would likely take weeks for the city to return to any semblance of normalcy if the worst comes to pass. Federal Emergency Management Agency teams and other emergency teams were already in place to move in as soon as the storm was over, FEMA Under Secretary Michael Brown said.

New Orleans, a city of nearly half a million with a metropolitan area population of 1.3 million, dodged a bullet in 1998 when a Category 2 Hurricane Georges had a last minute change of route and made landfall near Biloxi, Mississippi. But Georges was close enough to push the Mississippi River to within one foot of the top of the levees between the river and the city.

The last hurricane to score a direct hit on New Orleans was Hurricane Betsy, a Category 2 with 105 mph winds when it came ashore in 1965. Betsy killed more than 70 people, its storm surge overflowing the levees and reaching the eaves of many buildings.

The levees are higher now, but Katrina is a stronger storm -- as strong as 1969's Hurricane Camille, which grazed New Orleans when it came ashore in Mississippi and killed more than 250 people.

"After Betsy these levies were designed for a Category 3," said Sheriff Jeff Hingle of Placquemines Parish, just southeast of New Orleans. "You're now looking at a Category 5. You're looking at a storm that is as strong as Camille was, but bigger than Betsy was size-wise. These levies will not hold the water back. So we're urging people to leave. You're looking at these levies having 10 feet of water over the top of them easily."

Two category 4 storms, in 1909 and 1915, each killed hundreds in the area, and 1964's Hurricane Hilda killed 38.

But the deadliest storm to hit southeastern Louisiana was an unnamed storm in 1893 that killed an estimated 2,000 people.

Dex

08-28-2005, 04:11 PM

:tu thats awsome. Thats awesome...in fact I'd like you to move next door to me 'casue in case of an emergency I'd most likely need a ride.

unfortunatly most people get the "me 1st" attitude in situatutions like this and will even fuck other people over to make them selves just >< that much safer....... :depressed it;s sad.

But if I let other people in my car, where will I put by fondue set?

rl64tx

08-28-2005, 04:11 PM

Cat3 is no problem

Are you on dope or dogfood??? :drunk

ObiwanGinobili

08-28-2005, 04:14 PM

But if I let other people in my car, where will I put by fondue set?

take out the sticks and wear it like a hat.. i hear the metal should also prevent aliens from reading your brainwaves.....

Trainwreck2100

08-28-2005, 04:17 PM

Are you on dope or dogfood??? :drunk

Ivan was Cat 3 and NO survived that

Das Texan

08-28-2005, 04:18 PM

And it has only been a cat5 since today.

Cat3 is no problem, but it wasnt expected to get this strong.

you still board up your homes in a cat 3. these idiots have not done that. so intelligent.

2pac

08-28-2005, 04:20 PM

Are you on dope or dogfood??? :drunk

Winds 111-130 mph (96-113 kt or 178-209 km/hr). Storm surge generally 9-12 ft above normal. Some structural damage to small residences and utility buildings with a minor amount of curtainwall failures. Damage to shrubbery and trees with foliage blown off trees and large trees blown down. Mobile homes and poorly constructed signs are destroyed. Low-lying escape routes are cut by rising water 3-5 hours before arrival of the center of the hurricane. Flooding near the coast destroys smaller structures with larger structures damaged by battering from floating debris. Terrain continuously lower than 5 ft above mean sea level may be flooded inland 8 miles (13 km) or more. Evacuation of low-lying residences with several blocks of the shoreline may be required. Hurricanes Jeanne and Ivan of 2004 were Category Three hurricanes when they made landfall in Florida and in Alabama, respectively.

That wouldnt have dont a whole lot to NO, with the levies and pumps.

Cat5:

Winds greater than 155 mph (135 kt or 249 km/hr). Storm surge generally greater than 18 ft above normal. Complete roof failure on many residences and industrial buildings. Some complete building failures with small utility buildings blown over or away. All shrubs, trees, and signs blown down. Complete destruction of mobile homes. Severe and extensive window and door damage. Low-lying escape routes are cut by rising water 3-5 hours before arrival of the center of the hurricane. Major damage to lower floors of all structures located less than 15 ft above sea level and within 500 yards of the shoreline. Massive evacuation of residential areas on low ground within 5-10 miles (8-16 km) of the shoreline may be required. Only 3 Category Five Hurricanes have made landfall in the United States since records began: The Labor Day Hurricane of 1935, Hurricane Camille (1969), and Hurricane Andrew in August, 1992. The 1935 Labor Day Hurricane struck the Florida Keys with a minimum pressure of 892 mb--the lowest pressure ever observed in the United States. Hurricane Camille struck the Mississippi Gulf Coast causing a 25-foot storm surge, which inundated Pass Christian. Hurricane Andrew of 1992 made landfall over southern Miami-Dade County, Florida causing 26.5 billion dollars in losses--the costliest hurricane on record. In addition, Hurricane Gilbert of 1988 was a Category Five hurricane at peak intensity and is the strongest Atlantic tropical cyclone on record with a minimum pressure of 888

Major death and destruction.

Trainwreck2100

08-28-2005, 04:21 PM

you still board up your homes in a cat 3. these idiots have not done that. so intelligent.

Because their home won't be ab;e to be defined as houses when this storm is through, more like empty lots or rubish heeps.

Sorry 2pac.

2pac

08-28-2005, 04:23 PM

you still board up your homes in a cat 3. these idiots have not done that. so intelligent.

one city only has so much scrapwood. these things sell out quick with just a couple days warning

Thousands of people have storm shutters.

Johnny_Blaze_47

08-28-2005, 04:23 PM

They just said there was looting at the Superdome after Ivan.

That was 2-3K people.

rl64tx

08-28-2005, 04:25 PM

That wouldnt have dont a whole lot to NO, with the levies and pumps.

Cat5:

Major death and destruction.

That's good BUT NO is BELOW sealevel!!!

2pac

08-28-2005, 04:26 PM

Because their home won't be ab;e to be defined as houses when this storm is through, more like empty lots or rubish heeps.

Sorry 2pac.

My place will probably be alright. It is an actual brick house with a solid foundation and storm shutters.

Most houses in New ORleans are very cheaply constructed and built on stilts - out of necessity because of the sinking ground. Most people cant afford to build a normal house with a real foundation - the ground wont allow it.

SA is different because we are build on hundreds of feet of limestone.

NO is underwater level. You can barely even dig a hole in your yard.

Ginofan

08-28-2005, 04:27 PM

FoxNews reported that they will not turn anyone away from the Superdome, unless you get unruly inside....then they will kick you out.

T Park

08-28-2005, 04:30 PM

They said they are checking people for guns.

They dont want weapons inside the dome.

Understandable.

But Im sure someone will bitch about that.

2pac

08-28-2005, 04:32 PM

They have already found a number of guns and knifes.

ObiwanGinobili

08-28-2005, 04:35 PM

They have already found a number of guns and knifes.

yeah i posted that a few pages back....

didi oyu see how they are only lettign in one family member per disabled person?? (into the dome)

this one lady had a kid on a ventilator , and a 1yr old adn a newborn. but they wouldn't let her in with the special needs casue she would have to bring the 1yr old and the newborn with her.

Trainwreck2100

08-28-2005, 04:35 PM

Pic from the Space Station
http://www.splutterfish.com/sf/ArtistSpot/ut/SpaceStation.jpg

Authorities are tryng to contact this man
http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/movie/day_after_tomorrow/01.jpg

T Park

08-28-2005, 04:35 PM

Just said the temperature of the GUlf is hotter than the temperature of the air.

Jet fuel for a Hurricane.

Absolutely amazing.

Slomo

08-28-2005, 04:37 PM

Shelly

08-28-2005, 04:37 PM

yeah i posted that a few pages back....

didi oyu see how they are only lettign in one family member per disabled person?? (into the dome)

this one lady had a kid on a ventilator , and a 1yr old adn a newborn. but they wouldn't let her in with the special needs casue she would have to bring the 1yr old and the newborn with her.

WTF?

Sense

08-28-2005, 04:38 PM

Authorities are tryng to contact this man
http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/movie/day_after_tomorrow/01.jpg

Ok that's funny.

And yet, awkward.

Shelly

08-28-2005, 04:38 PM

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 04:40 PM

Tornadoes are a regular occurance with the landfall of a hurricane, but they will also be issuing tornado warnings as the storm passes over a certain area because the winds are above the force of a strong tornado.

Trainwreck2100

08-28-2005, 04:41 PM

Excuse my ignorance but they said on CNN that a tornado watch is also in place. Are tornados a normal occurence around hurricanes? Where exactly - in regard to the hurricane - are tornado expected? Is the strength of the hurricane any indication of the possible strength of the tornados?

It is prob for states to the north of the hurricane landfall as it moves north, the hurricane's makes conditions perfect for tornadoes. I think we sometimes get tornado warnings here in SA when Hurricanes hit the tx coast.

MannyIsGod

08-28-2005, 04:41 PM

Also, they downgraded the winds at the last advisory, but the chances are that the winds are still 185mph with the preassures at what they are. So untill the next flight, we won't know for sure but I would put money on winds higher than what they are saying right now.

Sense

08-28-2005, 04:42 PM

Can you guys tell me where you are getting all of this information from?

I want to keep up-to-date aswell...

Shelly

08-28-2005, 04:43 PM

Category 5 Katrina heads to Gulf Coast
'Once in a lifetime' storm has New Orleans in her sights. Heavy winds will pick up tonight. Panhandle worries.

Century Billiards
By The Associated Press

August 28, 2005, 5:06 PM EDT

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana -- Monstrous Hurricane Katrina barreled toward the Big Easy on Sunday with 165-mph wind and a threat of a 28-foot storm surge, forcing a mandatory evacuation, a last-ditch Superdome shelter and prayers for those left to face the doomsday scenario this below-sea-level city has long dreaded.

"Have God on your side, definitely have God on your side," Nancy Noble said as she sat with her puppy and three friends in six lanes of one-way traffic on gridlocked Interstate 10. "It's very frightening."

Katrina intensified into a Category 5 giant over the warm water of the Gulf of Mexico on a path to make landfall at sunrise Monday in the heart of New Orleans. That would make it the city's first direct hit in 40 years and the most powerful storm ever to slam the city. It eased slightly during the day, with top sustained wind down from 175 mph, but forecasters said fluctuations were likely.

But forecasters warned that Mississippi was also in danger because Katrina was such a big storm -- with hurricane-force winds extending up to 105 miles from the center -- that even areas far from the landfall could be devastated.

"I'm really scared," New Orleans resident Linda Young said as she filled her gas tank. "I've been through hurricanes, but this one scares me. I think everybody needs to get out."

Showers began falling on southeastern Louisiana and other parts of the Gulf Coast on Sunday afternoon, accompanied by pounding surf as far east as the Florida Panhandle, the first hints of a storm with a potential surge of 18 to 28 feet, even bigger waves and as much as 15 inches of rain.

"We are facing a storm that most of us have long feared," Mayor C. Ray Nagin said in ordering the mandatory evacuation for his city of 485,000 people, surrounded by suburbs of a million more. "The storm surge will most likely topple our levee system."

Conceding that as many as 100,000 inner-city residents didn't have the means to leave and an untold number of tourists were stranded by the closing of the airport, the city arranged buses to take people to 10 last-resort shelters, including the Superdome.

Nagin also dispatched police and firefighters to rouse people out with sirens and bullhorns, and even gave them the authority to commandeer vehicles to aid in the evacuation.

"This is very serious, of the highest nature," the mayor said. "This is a once-in-a-lifetime event."

For years, forecasters have warned of the nightmare scenario a big storm could bring to New Orleans, a bowl of a city that's up to 10 feet below sea level in spots and dependent on a network of levees, canals and pumps to keep dry. It's built between the half-mile-wide Mississippi River and Lake Pontchartrain, half the size of the state of Rhode Island.

Estimates have been made of tens of thousands of deaths from flooding that could overrun the levees and turn New Orleans into a 30-foot-deep toxic lake filled with chemicals and petroleum from refineries, and waste from ruined septic systems.

At 5 p.m. EDT, Katrina's eye was about 150 miles south-southeast of the mouth of the Mississippi River. The storm was moving toward the northwest at nearly 13 mph and was expected to turn toward the north. A hurricane warning was in effect for the north-central Gulf Coast from Morgan City, La., to the Alabama-Florida line.

Despite the dire predictions, a group of residents in a poor neighborhood of central New Orleans sat on a porch with no car, no way out and, surprisingly, no fear.

"We're not evacuating," said 57-year-old Julie Paul. "None of us have any place to go. We're counting on the Superdome. That's our lifesaver."

The 70,000-seat Superdome, the home of football's Saints, opened at daybreak Sunday, giving first priority to frail, elderly people on walkers, some with oxygen tanks. They were told to bring enough food, water and medicine to last up to five days. By afternoon, people with bags of belongings lined up outside hoping to get in.

In the French Quarter, most bars that stayed open through the threat of past hurricanes were boarded up and the few people on the streets were battening down their businesses and getting out.

Sasha Gayer tried to get an Amtrak train out of town but couldn't. So she walked back to the French Quarter, buying supplies on the way, and then stopped at one of the few bars open on Bourbon Street.

"This is how you know it's a serious hurricane," she said. "You can't find a slice of white bread in the city, but you can still buy beer."

Airport Holiday Inn manager Joyce Tillis spent the morning calling her 140 guests to tell them about the evacuation order. Tillis, who lives inside the flood zone, also called her three daughters to tell them to get out.

"If I'm stuck, I'm stuck," Tillis said. "I'd rather save my second generation if I can."

But the evacuation was slow going. Highways in Louisiana and Mississippi were jammed as people headed away from Katrina's expected landfall. All lanes were limited to northbound traffic on Interstates 55 and 59, and westbound on I-10.

Evacuation orders were also posted all along the Mississippi coast, and the area's casinos, built on barges, were closed.

Alabama officials issued mandatory evacuation orders for low-lying coastal areas. Mobile Mayor Michael C. Dow said flooding could be worse than the 9-foot surge that soaked downtown during Hurricane Georges in 1998.

Residents of several barrier islands in the western Florida Panhandle were urged to evacuate as Katrina pushed several inches of water onto coastal roads and near homes.

Tourists stranded by the shutdown of New Orleans' Louis Armstrong Airport and the lack of rental cars packed the lobbies of high-rise hotels, which were exempt from the evacuation order to give people a place for "vertical evacuation."

Tina and Bryan Steven, of Forest Lake, Minn., sat glumly on the sidewalk outside their hotel in the French Quarter.

"We're choosing the best of two evils," said Bryan Steven. "It's either be stuck in the hotel or stuck on the road. ... We'll make it through it."

His wife, wearing a Bourbon Street T-shirt with a lewd message, interjected: "I just don't want to die in this shirt."

Only three Category 5 hurricanes -- the highest on the Saffir-Simpson scale -- have hit the United States since record-keeping began. The last was 1992's Hurricane Andrew, which at 165 mph leveled parts of South Florida, killed 43 people and caused $31 billion in damage.

New Orleans has not taken a major direct hit from a hurricane since Betsy in 1965, when an 8- to 10-foot storm surge submerged parts of the city in seven feet of water. Betsy, a Category 3 storm, was blamed for 74 deaths in Louisiana, Mississippi and Florida.

National Hurricane Center deputy director Ed Rappaport warned that Katrina, already responsible for nine deaths in South Florida as a mere Category 1, could be far worse for New Orleans.

"It would be the strongest we've had in recorded history there," Rappaport said. "We're hoping of course there'll be a slight tapering off at least of the winds, but we can't plan on that. ... We're in for some trouble here no matter what."

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