is jimmy butler for real?

[100%duncan]

Might be the bulls' most reliable scorer tbh. Gangbanger will be injured for the most part, lets be honest, we know it will come. Pau, although is clearly rejuvenated, looks slow. And the rest of the bulls offense is crap.

Discuss.

[TDMVPDPOY]

the bulls are a shit hole

lowball taj
no lowball jim
got pau on the cheap

but have no problems paying gangbanger 40m for t he last 2 years to sit on bench....fail

[Franklin]

There D is still solid though. Jimmy Butler is fool's gold I don't see a higher ceiling for him than the prime Caron Butler tbh. dude will get overpaid but probably not in Chicago.

[100%duncan]

the bulls are a shit hole

lowball taj
no lowball jim
got pau on the cheap

but have no problems paying gangbanger 40m for t he last 2 years to sit on bench....fail

Whats your opinion bout butler u fkn wanker

[TDMVPDPOY]

Whats your opinion bout butler u fkn wanker

wasnt he t outed to be top5 sf defender? i dont know about his defense if its consistent enough to be paid like a franchise player

but with the cba kicking in, even 2nd or 3rd players can be paid superstar money....

[100%duncan]

wasnt he t outed to be top5 sf defender? i dont know about his defense if its consistent enough to be paid like a franchise player

but with the cba kicking in, even 2nd or 3rd players can be paid superstar money....

Bout his offense??? He looked real efficient last night but then again its the wolves

[ElNono]

Jimmy Butler is fool's gold

[BatManu20]

What's crazy about Jimmy Butler is I played against this dude in high school. He played for Tomball High and we played him in a tourney my Junior year, and he literally wasn't even that good. At least not when we played him. He wasn't even their best player and I think he only had like 10 against us or something like that. When he got drafted I couldn't believe who he was tbh.

But he's a solid young player. But if you're leaning on him to be your #1 or #2 scorer, you're probably not a real contender, which the Bulls are not tbh.

[Malik Hairston]

He played 1 game against a bottom 3 team in the West:lol..wait and see..

[DPG21920]

I'm on wait and see mode with him, as HH said. He's definitely interesting enough to me where I won't write him off. He seems to work really, really hard. But if he can continue to improve his handle and shooting, he has some very nice tools.

[Infinite_limit]

I said last week, he's Kawai Leonard in the Eastern Conference

[Malik Hairston]

Kawhi Leonard is an elite Finals performer, 2 great Finals series' in a row, tbh..the stage isn't too big for him..

Jimmy Butler has been a complete non-factor in playoff basketball..he had a great opportunity to step up last year against the Wizards when his team desperately needed offense, and he couldn't do it..

As of right now, he's just a stat-padder against terrible teams like the Wolves:lol..

[Clipper Nation]

I said last week, he's Kawai Leonard in the Eastern Conference

:lmao No... Butler is a playoff choker and overall mediocre player. Kawhi is a Finals MVP, and one can only imagine the type of stats he'd be putting up in the weak East - or really, on any team that doesn't include that salty faggot Enrique who won't pass the ball to him.

[Infinite_limit]

Kawhi Leonard is an elite Finals performer, 2 great Finals series' in a row, tbh..the stage isn't too big for him..

Jimmy Butler has been a complete non-factor in playoff basketball..he had a great opportunity to step up last year against the Wizards when his team desperately needed offense, and he couldn't do it..

As of right now, he's just a stat-padder against terrible teams like the Wolves:lol..
Must be nice as the 5th Option on a team with 3 Hall of Famers. I already posted Butler had similar numbers to Leonard in his last Playoff series against James.

[Infinite_limit]

:lmao No... Butler is a playoff choker and overall mediocre player. Kawhi is a Finals MVP, and one can only imagine the type of stats he'd be putting up in the weak East - or really, on any team that doesn't include that salty faggot Enrique who won't pass the ball to him.
Do you think Leonard can manage to make a Field Goal in his next game or do the Spurs need to play him more than 24 minutes?

[Malik Hairston]

Must be nice as the 5th Option on a team with 3 Hall of Famers. I already posted Butler had similar numbers to Leonard in his last Playoff series against James.

Last year's Spurs didn't really have an order of options, tbh..they were literally, statistically better when Tony Parker was on the bench, for example..

Manu was the closest thing to a #1, but Leonard did most of his damage without Ginobil on the floor..

It's pretty embarrassing that Butler couldn't do anything against the Wizards IMO..that Bulls team desperately needed somebody to step up..I actually had high hopes for him in that series, too..

[Clipper Nation]

Do you think Leonard can manage to make a Field Goal in his next game or do the Spurs need to play him more than 24 minutes?

:lol One-game sample sizes... by that logic, since Rose put up a big goose egg against the tanking Wolves, the Bulls won't win another game all year.

[Malik Hairston]

Jimmy Butler vs. Danny Green is a better comparison, tbh..but again, Danny is arguably the greatest shooter in NBA playoff history, while Butler is a proven playoff choker..

[Infinite_limit]

:lol One-game sample sizes... by that logic, since Rose put up a big goose egg against the tanking Wolves, the Bulls won't win another game all year.
Come on, he played 24 minutes and failed to make a Field Goal. Speaking of small sample sizes: NBA Finals last year

[Infinite_limit]

Jimmy Butler vs. Danny Green is a better comparison, tbh..but again, Danny is arguably the greatest shooter in NBA playoff history, while Butler is a proven playoff choker..
Butler & Leonard are both 2nd Team All Defense. I watched Leonard at SDSU, he has always been a role player.

[ElNono]

I think he has the tools to be much more than the blue collar, "hustle" guy that he is now (Thibs loves those guys)... unfortunately, he's a dumb player, and so those tools will probably go to waste.

He's better than JR Smith though, IMO, so there's that...

[Clipper Nation]

Come on, he played 24 minutes and failed to make a Field Goal. Speaking of small sample sizes: NBA Finals last year
He played well in two NBA Finals that went 7 and 5 games respectively. 12 games > 1.

[Malik Hairston]

Butler & Leonard are both 2nd Team All Defense. I watched Leonard at SDSU, he has always been a role player.

Well, if you're going to put them on the same level because they're both on 2nd team all-D, I'm going to put Kawhi on the same level as Michael Jordan because they have both been Finals MVPs, tbh..

[Infinite_limit]

Well, if you're going to put them on the same level because they're both on 2nd team all-D, I'm going to put Kawhi on the same level as Michael Jordan because they have both been Finals MVPs, tbh..
Just wake me up when Leonard manages a Field Goal in the 2014-15 season

[100%duncan]

Whats this shit that jimmy has played well against bron in the playoffs??? Is it real or myth???

[RsxPiimp]

Jimmy Buckets with solid numbers, cool efficiency and keeping the Bulls afloat while two of the Bulls divas sit on the sidelines.

[unleashbaynes]

Just wake me up when Leonard manages a Field Goal in the 2014-15 season

wake me up when rose plays more than 20 games in a season, faggot.

[Infinite_limit]

wake me up when rose plays more than 20 games in a season, faggot.
Hi sweetie. This discussion is not about Rose

[apalisoc_9]

Infinite limit with the bad per par...

[RsxPiimp]

35 pts, 7 rebs, 4 assts, 4 stls. 50+% beyond the arc and field.

Man, some idiot is gonna give this guy Klay Thompson money.

[BatManu20]

Crazy watching this guy blossom like this... I played against him in High School and he really wasn't that good, tbh... cool to see him ballin' out there though. He's the early favorite for MIP imo.

[100%duncan]

35 pts, 7 rebs, 4 assts, 4 stls. 50+% beyond the arc and field.

Man, some idiot is gonna give this guy Klay Thompson money.

Cant wait for the playoffs to come already. If this dude performs as well there he'll get to Paul George status.

[dirk4mvp]

was funny watching this guy shit all over Chuck in real time while he was calling him a role player over and over

[Splits]

I played against him in middle school. He couldn't even dunk. Pussy.

[apalisoc_9]

was funny watching this guy shit all over Chuck in real time while he was calling him a role player over and over

When was this?

is this available on NBA.com?

[dirk4mvp]

When was this?

is this available on NBA.com?

During the game Butler was making all kind of plays right during the middle of a Chuck anecdote saying over and over that he was just a role player.

[Infinite_limit]

Haha Reggie is something else for accepting the 3rd seat alongside a Barkley telecast. Chuck is quality for about a Half. Then he starts repeating himself throughout the game and will unleash rants.

Reggie was arguing Butler is growing into a Max Player and will/should be paid like one. Barkley wasn't giving much reasoning why he believed otherwise.

[Red Hawk #21]

Jimmy Buckets better be starting at that 2 Guard Spot for the Eastern Conference All-Stars.

[RsxPiimp]

There were M-V-P chants Saturday night at the United Center, but they weren't for former recipient Derrick Rose or current leading candidate Anthony Davis.

Instead, the 21,935 fans directed their chants at Bulls shooting guard Jimmy Butler, who after yet another dominant December performance continued to state his case as one of the league's most valuable players.

Butler scored 33 points, including 19 after halftime, on 12-for-18 shooting and added five rebounds and two assists in the Bulls' 107-100 victory over the New Orleans Pelicans. It was the Bulls' league-leading sixth straight win, and it was yet again Butler who led the pace for a Bulls team now just two games back of the top spot in the East.

Facing one of the better interior defender duos in the league in Davis and Omer Asik, Butler lived at the rim, as has been the case the majority of his magnificent run. Eleven of his field-goal attempts came inside the paint, and his 10 free-throw attempts proved once again that Butler isn't interested in taking what defenses will give him; he's earning everything and acting as the aggressor, with his confidence to thank for it.

[GuerillaBlack]

Perfect way to enter his prime. He is 27 years old though, so I'm not sure how much more he can improve. Proud to see a Houston area athlete make it big.

[Malik Hairston]

All trolling of Infinite aside, Butler is a monster, tbh..hope he plays better in the playoffs, since he was terrible last year(hopefully he doesn't turn out to be a playoff choker like Klay Thompson)..

[Thread]

All trolling of Infinite aside, Butler is a monster, tbh..hope he plays better in the playoffs, since he was terrible last year(hopefully he doesn't turn out to be a playoff choker like Klay Thompson)..

..& Tim Duncan. tee, hee.

Relax, just that 1 time when confronted by Amy & Bats.

[TDMVPDPOY]

what is the bulls team salary situation atm?

if butler isnt going to get paid, i would like to see some team throw max at him to steal him away

nothing beats watching the bulls continue to be a shithole for +20yrs

[Thread]

what is the bulls team salary situation atm?

if butler isnt going to get paid, i would like to see some team throw max at him to steal him away

nothing beats watching the bulls continue to be a shithole for +20yrs

Amy chasing Tim outta Florida beats it. tee, hee.

Relax, just that 1 time when confronted by Amy & Bats.

[100%duncan]

All trolling of Infinite aside, Butler is a monster, tbh..hope he plays better in the playoffs, since he was terrible last year(hopefully he doesn't turn out to be a playoff choker like Klay Thompson)..

Same here and hes actually legit in defense unlike that faggot klay

[Malik Hairston]

Bulls look a lot better when they run their offense through Butler and Gasol, rather than RG3, tbh..

[Holden_Caulfield]

hes better than klay tbh

[Thread]

Bulls look a lot better when they run their offense through Butler and Gasol, rather than RG3, tbh..

I can't attest to Butler, but, running it thru Gasol is fool's gold. But, you they'll have to find out & suffer for it themselves.

And they will.

[FkLA]

Is this nigga better than Kawhi? I heard Reggie call him the best two way player when they played LA on Christmas and I laughed. But apparently he's been ballin' and I just haven't been paying attention tbh.

[apalisoc_9]

Is this nigga better than Kawhi? I heard Reggie call him the best two way player when they played LA on Christmas and I laughed. But apparently he's been ballin' and I just haven't been paying attention tbh.

The bolded answers your question.

In all seriousness though, Butler is a monster..Really wish they stop calling the Bulls Rose's team..the Bulls look so much better with Butler as the main perimeter option.

He is one of the most overrated defenders in the league with a DRPM less than 0.5 :lol

[ElNono]

unfortunately, his stats drop across the board during the playoffs... So far he's just another regular season stat padder...

[apalisoc_9]

unfortunately, his stats drop across the board during the playoffs... So far he's just another regular season stat padder...

I don't see him that way, offensively. I've only watched the bulls play twice, but he plays within the offense and I don't consider him a stat padder.

but again, He is extremely overrated defensively..It's not even funny

[ElNono]

I don't see him that way, offensively. I've only watched the bulls play twice, but he plays within the offense and I don't consider him a stat padder.

but again, He is extremely overrated defensively..It's not even funny

I'm not saying he takes bad shots, just that the flashy numbers become less flashy when the playoff pressure comes around... great players normally elevate their game at that stage, pretenders fold, tbh

[apalisoc_9]

I'm not saying he takes bad shots, just that the flashy numbers become less flashy when the playoff pressure comes around... great players normally elevate their game at that stage, pretenders fold, tbh

That makes sense...

I agree..

[DMC]

I'm not saying he takes bad shots, just that the flashy numbers become less flashy when the playoff pressure comes around... great players normally elevate their game at that stage, pretenders fold, tbh
Teams have to get to the playoffs first, and if a guy like Butler can get you there, that's better than some Jeff Ayers faggot chomping on his mouthpiece as he fumbles another one in the paint.

[ElNono]

Teams have to get to the playoffs first, and if a guy like Butler can get you there, that's better than some Jeff Ayers faggot chomping on his mouthpiece as he fumbles another one in the paint.

He's definitely better than Jeff Ayres

[DMC]

Besides, George "What's the Fucking Deal" Hill is stinking it up anyhow. Butler had a good game, not a great one, but he's getting it done.

[ElNono]

tbh, I didn't even think the Pacers were gonna make it a game...

[Kawhitstorm]

:wakeup

[DPG21920]

Pretty amazing that he's turned into a guy that is capable of putting up 40 points.

[Cry Havoc]

0spXnX0l638

[TDMVPDPOY]

40pts cause ballhog gangbanger wasnt playing

[DAF86]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBF3JbykQus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkEszFsvOjM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mawgnrbZCqo

[Cry Havoc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBF3JbykQus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkEszFsvOjM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mawgnrbZCqo

Difference here is that Butler is 10x the defender of any of those players.

[Killakobe81]

really good player not sure if he is great. obviously the fact he plays both ends gives him added value ...plus I would rather pay him the max over Hayward and players of that ilk. For example Middleton Carroll Parson etc. All got overpaid recently Butler seems to be justifying his raise. Props to him.

[DAF86]

Difference here is that Butler is 10x the defender of any of those players.

So? He's still not a franchise player.

[DMC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBF3JbykQus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkEszFsvOjM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mawgnrbZCqo



Difference here is that Butler is 10x the defender of any of those players.

DAF doesn't make a point, just posts some videos which allows him to take either side of an argument once the truth is unveiled.

No one is a franchise player until they become one.

It's amusing that people ignore Butler's game until he scores a lot of points. Defense is ignored by casual fans, but not by coaches.

[DAF86]

DAF doesn't make a point, just posts some videos which allows him to take either side of an argument once the truth is unveiled.

No one is a franchise player until they become one.

It's amusing that people ignore Butler's game until he scores a lot of points. Defense is ignored by casual fans, but not by coaches.

The fuck are you talking about? I stated pretty clearly that I don't think Jimmy Butler is a franchise player. Not now, not ever. If I get proven wrong I will own up to it, unlike some fags that can't admit being wrong.

[Killakobe81]

The fuck are you talking about? I stated pretty clearly that I don't think Jimmy Butler is a franchise player. Not now, not ever. If I get proven wrong I will own up to it, unlike some fags that can't admit being wrong.

Bold statement. Way to stand behind your beliefs ...

[Cry Havoc]

The fuck are you talking about? I stated pretty clearly that I don't think Jimmy Butler is a franchise player. Not now, not ever. If I get proven wrong I will own up to it, unlike some fags that can't admit being wrong.

Just curious. What does Butler have to do to "prove" that he's a franchise player? Stats? Playoff wins? What criteria are you using?

[spurraider21]

Pretty amazing that he's turned into a guy that is capable of putting up 40 points.
in a half

[DAF86]

Just curious. What does Butler have to do to "prove" that he's a franchise player? Stats? Playoff wins? What criteria are you using?

Be the best player of a very good team (floor of 2nd round exit with peaks of at least conference or NBA finals) for a sustained period of time (around 5 years).

Think of guys like Nash in Phoenix, Kidd in New Jersey, Harden now in Houston (in process), etc.

[Cry Havoc]

Be the best player of a very good team (floor of 2nd round exit with peaks of at least conference or NBA finals) for a sustained period of time (around 5 years).

Think of guys like Nash in Phoenix, Kidd in New Jersey, Harden now in Houston (in process), etc.

Harden has been the best player on his team for 5 years? Houston might not even make the playoffs this year and Harden routinely quits on his team, as he did against the Spurs. You're branding him with the franchise label? I'd rather have Butler any day of the week than Harden.

[DAF86]

Harden has been the best player on his team for 5 years? Houston might not even make the playoffs this year and Harden routinely quits on his team, as he did against the Spurs. You're branding him with the franchise label? I'd rather have Butler any day of the week than Harden.

That's why I added the "in process" label. If he keeps this up, he would definitely be solidified a franchise player. Houston was a mediocre team before Harden came to average 30/7/6 for them and turn them into a perennial playoffs team and the current Western Conference finalist.

I really doubt Butler would have turned the Rockets from a lottery team into a Western Conference Finalist in just 3 years while putting the numbers Harden is putting, tbh.

[DPG21920]

This is really 2 or 3 different conversations.

1) Franchise player can mean a lot of things. If your definition is a top 30 player (meaning, the best player on every team), then yes, he is capable of that and he's already proven it. If your definition of franchise player (which this is the one I go by) is someone that can truly anchor a championship level team given the right supporting cast? I am not sure he is there quite yet, but it's possible. It's hard to gauge with him because a) the East has been so bad & b) he has shrunk some in the playoffs and hasn't shown that ceiling yet with results. Also, the Bulls have had some mediocre rosters talent-wise, especially with the Rose injuries and circus.

2) W/ regards to Harden, I don't think there is any question about Harden's ceiling vs Butlers. Even taking into consideration defense/attitude, Harden is more talented. But that's not always the end all be all. Butler is probably talented enough that in the real world (attitude, locker room, defense) you would not be an idiot for wanting him on your team. But in a bubble, yes, Harden is more talented and on the days his head is on properly, his teams will have a higher ceiling.

3) It's also about ranking him vs his peers (2-guards & guards in general). It's not just the fact guys like Harden exist, it's that other guards like Curry exist as well. While they don't play the same position, it's about comparing guards in general, their usage rates and impact on those around them.

[Mel_13]

Be the best player of a very good team (floor of 2nd round exit with peaks of at least conference or NBA finals) for a sustained period of time (around 5 years).

Think of guys like Nash in Phoenix, Kidd in New Jersey, Harden now in Houston (in process), etc.

Who was the franchise player on the 2002-08 Pistons?

[Jenks]

Who was the franchise player on the 2002-08 Pistons?

The guy in the 10th row who threw his soda at Ron Artest

[DPG21920]

Mel is correct - there is a difference too in "franchise level player" & trancedent superstar. Not everyone can be Duncan or Lebron or Shaq. Just because we have come to expect that type of success does not make it the norm. Far from it.

[spurraider21]

yeah, people seem to think franchise player means elite top 5 player, which is something i've been trying to point out as faulty logic for a while now on this board (same conversation in the NFL forum about what makes a franchise QB)

[Cry Havoc]

Mel is correct - there is a difference too in "franchise level player" & trancedent superstar. Not everyone can be Duncan or Lebron or Shaq. Just because we have come to expect that type of success does not make it the norm. Far from it.

[Kawhitstorm]

Difference here is that Butler is 10x the defender of any of those players.

Actually, all of them were above average defenders.
-Redd was a 3 & D guy when he was backing up Ray Allen
-Joe Johnson used to give Paul Pierce a tough time
-Josh Howard was the Mavs wing defender when they went to the Finals in '06

....if anything, Jimmy has slipped off defensively from his All-NBA defense days ala Paul George/LeBron.

[Cry Havoc]

Joe Johnson is now an elite defender because he "gave Pierce a tough time"

:lmao

Butler has been in the league for 4 years. He has 2 defensive team selections. The group you just mentioned combined for a whopping zero.

[DAF86]

Who was the franchise player on the 2002-08 Pistons?

Who was the franchise player on the 2014 spurs? I don't know why are you asking me that question. I didn't say you absolutely need a franchise player to win it all, tbh.

[Mel_13]

Who was the franchise player on the 2014 spurs? I don't know why are you asking me that question. I didn't say you absolutely need a franchise player to win it all, tbh.

Well, you defined a franchise player (see below). Detroit went to six straight conference finals, including two NBA Finals and a championship.


Be the best player of a very good team (floor of 2nd round exit with peaks of at least conference or NBA finals) for a sustained period of time (around 5 years).

Think of guys like Nash in Phoenix, Kidd in New Jersey, Harden now in Houston (in process), etc.

[100%duncan]

Butler is the Bulls' franchise player for what its worth imho. He has the tools to become great but he has shown diva personalities, AND he still can't beat Lebron without Love and a non-existent Irving. Many question marks, good regular season player though fwiw.

[DAF86]

Well, you defined a franchise player (see below). Detroit went to six straight conference finals, including two NBA Finals and a championship.

Add "clearly" between "be" and the "best player" then.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Actually, all of them were above average defenders.
-Redd was a 3 & D guy when he was backing up Ray Allen
-Joe Johnson used to give Paul Pierce a tough time
-Josh Howard was the Mavs wing defender when they went to the Finals in '06

....if anything, Jimmy has slipped off defensively from his All-NBA defense days ala Paul George/LeBron.

or did he benefited playing against the elite easts perimeter players that he was always on tv, making it seem like his a really great defender?
what are his voting results for dpoy over the years? if not top 5 then how can he be considered great defensive player?

[Down Under]

Top 15 player

[ElNono]

overratedPERIOD

[Kawhitstorm]

Joe Johnson is now an elite defender because he "gave Pierce a tough time"

:lmao

Butler has been in the league for 4 years. He has 2 defensive team selections. The group you just mentioned combined for a whopping zero.

Shawn Marion has ZERO All-NBA D selections but Kobe has 10+:lmao

[Cry Havoc]

Shawn Marion has ZERO All-NBA D selections but Kobe has 10+:lmao

Ah, okay, I must have missed that decade of history where Joe Johnson was suddenly widely regarded as a dominant defensive force.

Cherokee Parks was a great defender too, he had 0 defensive selections to prove it! :lol

[Kawhitstorm]

Ah, okay, I must have missed that decade of history where Joe Johnson was suddenly widely regarded as a dominant defensive force.


You must have missed the 2008 playoffs when Joe Johnson handled Pierce/Allen, who then proceeded to take a dump on Kobe in the Finals.

[Cry Havoc]

decade of history


2008 playoffs

Rofl

One playoff series suddenly makes a player a defensive monster for his entire career. Never mind the fact that his career defensive rating is 110. :lmao

[Kawhitstorm]

Rofl

One playoff series suddenly makes a player a defensive monster for his entire career. Never mind the fact that his career defensive rating is 110. :lmao

One Playoff series is all it takes to crown someone Finals MVP, so yeah

[Kawhitstorm]

53 points, 10 rebounds, 6 dimes, 3 steals, 50%

[ElNono]

sixers....

[TDMVPDPOY]

shit kents like rose is holding him back

bulls need to get rid of that clown

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

OT vs the Sixers.... Still 53 is 53

[spursistan]

23 FTs attempts, tho...Along with minutes, that's what's keeping Kawhi from regular 30/40 point games like his peers..

[InRareForm]

Yes. He made my night on fan duel yesterday

[Raven]

Shawn Marion has ZERO All-NBA D selections but Kobe has 10+:lmao
neither has ever been a good defender tough

[Kawhitstorm]

neither has ever been a good defender tough

:lmao

[AlexJones]

Not a fan of players that have a higher PPG than PER tbh

[Kawhitstorm]

Not a fan of players that have a higher PPG than PER tbh

You might want to check his PER when Rose isn't on the floor cock-blocking:lol

[Texas_Ranger]

pathetic game tonight.

[Kawhitstorm]

pathetic game tonight.

Rose played. Coincidence?:wakeup

[LakerHater]

what he go like, 55 one nite & 4 the next?

[Kawhitstorm]

what he go like, 55 one nite & 4 the next?

B/C Rose was out when he had 55 & returned to cock-block tonight:wakeup

[cjw]

Noah basically done for the year. Time for the Bulls to jettison his expiring contract (he's not resigning) plus Rose (salary dump). Will get zero assets back, but why not trade salary to a team looking to clear out for next year's FA? Bulls will have no cap room.

Should also look to jettison Rose for minimal assets going out the door. Something with these as the principals with other assets going in / out as necessary:

Noah for Jrue or Tyreke (NOP should tank this season and try pairing Davis with a cheap top 7 pick)

+

Rose for Joe Johnson and Shane Larkin (suggested by Lowe or his guest, but gives the Nets a flyer on Rose, as they're in rebuild mode for a while anyway)


Lots of teams that are a complete mess right now, so why not trade assets worth nothing for something that could help them make the ECF?

[100%duncan]

Bulls trading away noah and rose will be the best thing that will happen to them since jordan.

[Kawhitstorm]

Noah basically done for the year. Time for the Bulls to jettison his expiring contract (he's not resigning) plus Rose (salary dump). Will get zero assets back, but why not trade salary to a team looking to clear out for next year's FA? Bulls will have no cap room.

Should also look to jettison Rose for minimal assets going out the door. Something with these as the principals with other assets going in / out as necessary:

Noah for Jrue or Tyreke (NOP should tank this season and try pairing Davis with a cheap top 7 pick)

+

Rose for Joe Johnson and Shane Larkin (suggested by Lowe or his guest, but gives the Nets a flyer on Rose, as they're in rebuild mode for a while anyway)


Lots of teams that are a complete mess right now, so why not trade assets worth nothing for something that could help them make the ECF?

When was the last time the Bulls traded anyone as a salary dump? They EXPECT to get 1st rd picks for shitty contracts which is why they ended up buying out Boozer instead of trading him.:lol

They only traded Deng b/c they got a 1st rd pick for him.

[Kawhitstorm]

Bulls trading away noah and rose will be the best thing that will happen to them since jordan.

I expect Noah/Rose to finish the season in Chicago but Rose might opt out & get a longer contract since he's one knee injury away from being out of the league.

[cjw]

I expect Noah/Rose to finish the season in Chicago but Rose might opt out & get a longer contract since he's one knee injury away from being out of the league.

What's the max deal he gets from anyone right now? No way he gets more than $20mm guaranteed which he's slated to make next year. Teams aren't stupid anymore.

[TDMVPDPOY]

When was the last time the Bulls traded anyone as a salary dump? They EXPECT to get 1st rd picks for shitty contracts which is why they ended up buying out Boozer instead of trading him.:lol

They only traded Deng b/c they got a 1st rd pick for him.

there is a shit team that always trade with the bulls....the fkn knicks

rose + noah to 76s could get them one of the young bigs...better then nothing...

[SpursIndonesia]

What's the max deal he gets from anyone right now? No way he gets more than $20mm guaranteed which he's slated to make next year. Teams aren't stupid anymore.

Too many teams with cap room with too little FA talent, he will fetch a nice contract for sure, though perhaps no where near max that he still alludes for.

[Raven]

lol people still in the old 2000 cba mentality where salary dumps actually made sense...

[cjw]

lol people still in the old 2000 cba mentality where salary dumps actually made sense...

Chicago dumps useless players and gives itself a fighting chance this year.

Expiring contracts aren't worth anything in the current CBA but there is value in getting out of contracts a year early with the rising cap. If Chicago can dump Rose AND improve, why wouldn't they do it? Graceful way to move on. The Noah injury gives them another salary to make numbers work and take in longer dated money.

But you're right in that these guys will not net any young, high upside talent. I laugh at the suggestion that Philly trades a young big for those two.

[Raven]

Chicago dumps useless players and gives itself a fighting chance this year.

Expiring contracts aren't worth anything in the current CBA but there is value in getting out of contracts a year early with the rising cap. If Chicago can dump Rose AND improve, why wouldn't they do it? Graceful way to move on. The Noah injury gives them another salary to make numbers work and take in longer dated money.

But you're right in that these guys will not net any young, high upside talent. I laugh at the suggestion that Philly trades a young big for those two.

i'd like to see a realistic scenario where that does happen tbh :lol

[cjw]

i'd like to see a realistic scenario where that does happen tbh :lol

Are Rose and Noah going to help them at all this year? Any trade where they can jettison them and pick up anything in return increases their ceiling.

Noah would purely be a salary dump for a player with a contract longer than one year that a team wants to move on from.

But I do agree with you on the "fighting chance" piece. Pretty much no matter what they do, ECF is their ceiling.

[spursistan]

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“Maybe. I hope not,'' Butler told the Sun-Times. “Is my knee the same as it was before the injury? No.

Seems like no Bulls body is going to emerge unscathed from the combination of Thibs big minutes and Chicago shitty medical staff :lol ..I could see the minutes issue providing red flag for teams trying to hire Thibs next .The Wolves would probably fear for guys like Towns/Wiggins getting down to the ground..

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Seems like no Bulls body is going to emerge unscathed from the combination of Thibs big minutes and Chicago shitty medical staff :lol ..I could see the minutes issue providing red flag for teams trying to hire Thibs next .The Wolves would probably fear for guys like Towns/Wiggins getting down to the ground..

Urban myth.

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[DMC]

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