Malik Hairston is right imho

[AlexJones]

The more I think about it the more clear it is to me that the older era sucks and most of its players wouldn't stand a chance in today's league.. and that applies to the other 3 major sports too.

In this case my all-timers, in order:
NBA: Duncan, LeBron, Shaq, Dirk, Kobe, Wade, Manu Ginobili, Mike Jordan, Kevin Garnett..
NFL: Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Montana, Brees, Elway..
MLB: Miguel Cabrera, Pujols, Trout, Ichiro, Jeter, A-Rod, Kershaw, Verlander, Posey..
NHL: Lidstrom, Crosby, Ovechkin, Datsyuk, Joe Thornton, Stamkos..

I'd be surprised if Wilt Chamberlain could score on Omer Asik and if Babe Ruth could outhit Hunter Pence.

[dirk4mvp]

:lol nba old heads like Miller, Choke Webb, Barkley, and Shaq were getting salty on the Open Court episode about a similar topic

:( whatever happened to a guy in the stands scouting how many times Shaq likes to get it on the left block instead of analyzing data and looking at these fancy numbers :(

[Jenks]

I'd be surprised if Wilt Chamberlain could score on Omer Asik
Easily the most retarded thing I read this week.

[lefty]

Legends say Asik scored 100 pts in a season

[Malik Hairston]

The more I think about it the more clear it is to me that the older era sucks and most of its players wouldn't stand a chance in today's league.. and that applies to the other 3 major sports too.

In this case the top 3 all time in NBA is Duncan, LBJ and Jordan in that order.
MLB is Pujols, Cabrera and Trout/Ichiro
NFL is Manning, Brady and Rodgers/Brees
NHL it's Lidstrom, Crosby and Malkin/Ovechkin

I'd be surprised if Wilt Chamberlain could score on Omer Asik and if Babe Ruth could outhit Hunter Pence.

:lmao Wilt would absolutely get destroyed by Omer Asik, tbh..

It's always funny watching old heads get filled with rage when you dismiss the players from their era, but it's the truth..

Can you imagine DeAndre Jordan in the 60s? :lmao he would be putting up 50 PPG and 40 boards per game IMO..

:lmao Babe Ruth

[Malik Hairston]

:lmao imagine Bob Cousy playing against Brittany Greiner, she would bend his ass over, tbh..

[Calispursfan11]

:lol nba old heads like Miller, Choke Webb, Barkley, and Shaq were getting salty on the Open Court episode about a similar topic

:( whatever happened to a guy in the stands scouting how many times Shaq likes to get it on the left block instead of analyzing data and looking at these fancy numbers :(

Yeah, I don't think any of today's bigmen could dominate prime Shaq lol. He could destroy guys like Clown Howard, Cousins and Hibbert (all three at the same time possibly). Lol. Prime Barkley and Webber could dominate as well.

[AlexJones]

Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron et al would probably go 0/31 in a playoff series against the 2014 Royals pitching. Cy Young would probably be out of a game after the first inning.

"Fuck, man, they've got a fastball that goes up to 88 miles an hour?!!?!"

[scanry]

DoK's PG analogy and Harlem's old era stickh is spot on tbh.

[Malik Hairston]

Have you ever watched a video of Oscar Robertson? :lmao..

My little cousin asked me about him, he said he heard that he averaged a triple double and looked him up on Youtube..ugh..I literally told his mom to cut off their Internet, tbh, kids shouldn't be seeing that shit..

[Malik Hairston]

Yeah, I don't think any of today's bigmen could dominate prime Shaq lol. He could destroy guys like Clown Howard, Cousins and Hibbert (all three at the same time possibly). Lol. Prime Barkley and Webber could dominate as well.

Shaq is from our era, tbh, and so is Choke Webber, although he isn't really worth mentioning..

Barkley would be pretty decent in today's game, reminds me of a worse Kevin Love IMO..

[apalisoc_9]

I remember watching Bill walton against the celtics on VHS, the players were so unathletic.. Now that I think about it, a D leaguer would probably dominate..

full of skinny players with the WORST ball handles..

Amazing how much better players are nowadays with dribbling...

Watching a clip of PG's from the 60's and 70's dribble the ball..

:lmao

[lefty]

:lol

[AlexJones]

I remember watching Bill walton against the celtics on VHS, the players were so unathletic.. Now that I think about it, a D leaguer would probably dominate..

full of skinny players with the WORST ball handles..

Amazing how much better players are nowadays with dribbling...

Watching a clip of PG's from the 60's and 70's dribble the ball..

:lmao

:lmao all the PG's in the 70s having Anthony Carter's handles

[lefty]

:lol

[Jenks]

Yeah, I don't think any of today's bigmen could dominate prime Shaq lol. He could destroy guys like Clown Howard, Cousins and Hibbert (all three at the same time possibly). Lol. Prime Barkley and Webber could dominate as well.
Today's bigs are a fucking embarrassment. Wilt was a 7 footer who could touch the top of the backboard, and these guys are talking about today's shit centers (Asik lmao). Dwert's game is ass and gets by on being an athlete - meanwhile he's half the athlete Robinson was, who wasn't even the athlete Wilt was. Wilt would have easily competed at the highest level in the 90s, and any of those guys would shit on any big in 2014. If you want to talk about guards, that's a different story, but athletically today's centers are flat out ass and would get dominated if you dropped them into 1995. Rik Smits could probably drop 60 points on Asik.

The reason the NFL players of today would shit on those of years past is because they are physically superior - bigger, stronger, faster. Put Wilt vs Asik in that context - or Noah, Howard, or whoever else you want. Not close.

[ezau]

Elgin Baylor NEVER used his left hand for dribbling, if i'm not mistaken. :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not this shit again.

Wilt was bigger and more athletic than Dwert. He could bench and squat more than Shaq.

Then there is the watered down 30 team league without a established pervasive development league to bolster skill levels.

Demarcus Cousins and Lemarcus Aldridge jump shooting bigs a la Ralph Sampson are the poster boys of modern day pussyball. Maybe in the 40s and 50s when they didn't let darkie play you have a point but after integration it's just asinine.

[AlexJones]

Today's bigs are a fucking embarrassment. Wilt was a 7 footer who could touch the top of the backboard, and these guys are talking about today's shit centers (Asik lmao). Dwert's game is ass and gets by on being an athlete - meanwhile he's half the athlete Robinson was, who wasn't even the athlete Wilt was. Wilt would have easily competed at the highest level in the 90s, and any of those guys would shit on any big in 2014. If you want to talk about guards, that's a different story, but athletically today's centers are flat out ass and would get dominated if you dropped them into 1995. Rik Smits could probably drop 60 points on Asik.

The reason the NFL players of today would shit on those of years past is because they are physically superior - bigger, stronger, faster. Put Wilt vs Asik in that context - or Noah, Howard, or whoever else you want. Not close.

How excited were you when they released the colored TV and you found out the basketball was orange?

[lefty]

Not this shit again.

Wilt was bigger and more athletic than Dwert. He could bench and squat more than Shaq.

Then there is the watered down 30 team league without a established pervasive development league to bolster skill levels.

Demarcus Cousins and Lemarcus Aldridge jump shooting bigs a la Ralph Sampson are the poster boys of modern day pussyball. Maybe in the 40s and 50s when they didn't let darkie play you have a point but after integration it's just asinine.

[Jenks]

How excited were you when they released the colored TV and you found out the basketball was orange?
On a scale of 1 to 10, like 6

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Elgin Baylor NEVER used his left hand for dribbling, if i'm not mistaken. :lol

http://www.latimes.com/includes/projects/img/lakers/bio_photos/elgin_baylor.jpg

[AlexJones]

:lmao Bill Russell dominating 6'8 white stiffs
:lmao could you imagine him going up against 6'10 Chris Bosh, with lightning quick first step, pivot and spin move dribble attack and the ability to hit 3's :lmao

[apalisoc_9]

http://www.latimes.com/includes/projects/img/lakers/bio_photos/elgin_baylor.jpg

man this guy looks so unathletic..:lol

[Malik Hairston]

:lmao Bill Russell dominating 6'8 white stiffs
:lmao could you imagine him going up against 6'10 Chris Bosh, with lightning quick first step, pivot and spin move dribble attack and the ability to hit 3's :lmao

:lmao Bill Russell's FG%..

[Malik Hairston]

man this guy looks so unathletic..:lol

:lmao was that nigga really an NBA player, tbh?..

[lefty]

:lol

[AlexJones]

:lmao Maurice Richard, Gordie Howe, Bobby Orr, Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Ty Cobb, Chamberlain, Bill Russell, O-Robertson, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Brown

[RsxPiimp]

Some players ability and skills can transcend time, others wouldn't fare well in some eras. Considering sports science, nutrition and player development in this era has increased exponentially, it's no surprise athletes of this generation looked absolutely superhuman like compared to the player in the 80's, 70's or what have you. I'm not going to go waaay back, but All Star players in the 80's and especially early to mid 90's could still dominate in this era. If the same rules are in play, you wouldn't see hacks like James Harden average 25 points a game. NBA officiating rules have been adjusted in order to forge a game where everyone can be safe, where a 6-4 shooter can fearlessly drive at a 7-1 behemoth because he knows all he has to do is barrel through defenders and he'll be protected by the refs.



Today's games are a lot more fun though and the talent pool is much, much impressive, there's no doubt about that. But an overwhelming amount of them are also mentally weak. There's that trade off but the league has given us a much better product overall.

[Mikeanaro]

Not this shit again.

Wilt was bigger and more athletic than Dwert. He could bench and squat more than Shaq.

Then there is the watered down 30 team league without a established pervasive development league to bolster skill levels.

Demarcus Cousins and Lemarcus Aldridge jump shooting bigs a la Ralph Sampson are the poster boys of modern day pussyball. Maybe in the 40s and 50s when they didn't let darkie play you have a point but after integration it's just asinine.

Agreed, thats like saying Rocky Marciano doesnt stand a chance against Mayweather or in the same weight category Mike Tyson.

[Malik Hairston]

Agreed, thats like saying Rocky Marciano doesnt stand a chance against Mayweather or in the same weight category Mike Tyson.

:lmao Floyd would KO Marciano in 45 seconds(despite Floyd not being a KO artist), and then smack the shit out of his wife, tbh..

[Mikeanaro]

:lmao Floyd would KO Marciano in 45 seconds(despite Floyd not being a KO artist), and then smack the shit out of his wife, tbh..
:lmao

[AlexJones]

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/images/RockyMarciano-1.jpg

I seriously doubt this son of a bitch could even last 2 rounds against a coasting Mayweather

:lmao Tim Bradley would probably have his way on him too

[Malik Hairston]

:lmao Terry Bradshaw

:lmao Kirk Cousins could have easily led those Steelers to Super Bowls every year, tbh..

[jimbo]

Tbh, I don't understand how Wilt didn't flat out dominate more than he did. He was supposedly the greatest athlete to ever play in the NBA, but in his 50 ppg season that same year Elgin Baylor averaged 38. I know 12 ppg is still a huge gap, but look at Elgin then look at Wilt :lol

Him and the Admiral were cut from the same cloth tbh

[jimbo]

:lmao Floyd would KO Marciano in 45 seconds(despite Floyd not being a KO artist), and then smack the shit out of his wife, tbh..

Where does that put TI versus Marciano?

[Stalin]

:lol

[RsxPiimp]

Tbh, I don't understand how Wilt didn't flat out dominate more than he did. He was supposedly the greatest athlete to ever play in the NBA, but in his 50 ppg season that same year Elgin Baylor averaged 38. I know 12 ppg is still a huge gap, but look at Elgin then look at Wilt :lol

Him and the Admiral were cut from the same cloth tbh
Wilt's head wasn't in the game given his lifestyle and his team was fairly weak compared to Russell's.

His accomplishments are frequently derided and dismissed as a function of his era, but let's be serious. He averaged 50 ppt in a season, 22 rig in his career and is the only Center in history to lead to league in assists :lol



You put Wilt Chamberlain into the modern game, with modern workout routines and modern strategies, and he will still be the best big man on the floor today.

[jimbo]

Wilt's head wasn't in the game given his lifestyle and his team was fairly weak compared to Russell's.

His accomplishments are frequently derided and dismissed as a function of his era, but let's be serious. He averaged 50 ppt in a season, 22 rig in his career and is the only Center in history to lead to league in assists :lol



You put Wilt Chamberlain into the modern game, with modern workout routines and modern strategies, and he will still be the best big man on the floor today.

On the contrary mentally weak niggas like him and Drob probably wouldn't even be able to make it with the pressure we put on modern athletes with 24/7 ESPN coverage and social media. You have to think even a guy like JR Smith would be considered one of the most mentally tough dudes in 1970.

If Wilt was a playoff choker back then with no pressure and no one watching the league, he'd get mindraped in today's society. If he was pullin tail like crazy back then, he wouldn't even have to blink to get even more nowadays. Dude's career would sink before it ever started imo.

[Sean Cagney]

The more I think about it the more clear it is to me that the older era sucks and most of its players wouldn't stand a chance in today's league.. and that applies to the other 3 major sports too.

In this case the top 3 all time in NBA is Duncan, LBJ and Shaq in that order.
MLB is Pujols, Cabrera and Trout/Ichiro
NFL is Manning, Brady and Rodgers/Brees
NHL it's Lidstrom, Crosby and Toews/Ovechkin

I'd be surprised if Wilt Chamberlain could score on Omer Asik and if Babe Ruth could outhit Hunter Pence.

I disagree on old heads as far as passing goes in the NFL, the rules nowadays are so pussy for the QB and you can't touch them and receivers back then could be jammed and rode out of bounds etc. This is a pussified passing league nowadays and QB's routinely get 5000 yards or near it when in the past that was unheard of before Marino did it. The rules nowadays are just so favorable to the passing game.
:lmao Floyd would KO Marciano in 45 seconds(despite Floyd not being a KO artist), and then smack the shit out of his wife, tbh..

Yes, but the boxers in the 80's in the middle weights or lightweight would pretty much make sure mr FLOYD was not undefeated for his career. Sugar Ray, Hearns, Duran, Hagler etc. put in work and are better than anything Floyd has seen in this era by far. He would not be undefeated if he was in that era, he would have to fight the best then.

[RsxPiimp]

On the contrary mentally weak niggas like him and Drob probably wouldn't even be able to make it with the pressure we put on modern athletes with 24/7 ESPN coverage and social media. You have to think even a guy like JR Smith would be considered one of the most mentally tough dudes in 1970.

If Wilt was a playoff choker back then with no pressure and no one watching the league, he'd get mindraped in today's society. If he was pullin tail like crazy back then, he wouldn't even have to blink to get even more nowadays. Dude's career would sink before it ever started imo.

I don't think Wilt belongs to the mental midget group like Dwight for example, I've read a few parts of his biography and nothing suggests that. I'd say he'll probably have a career similar to Shaq. Where as Shaq's career was hampered by injuries and bad work ethic, I'd say Wilt's career would probably end for other reasons (White pussy fever tbh :lol)

I do think he's capable of leading a team in this era to a title though.

[apalisoc_9]

Agreed, thats like saying Rocky Marciano doesnt stand a chance against Mayweather or in the same weight category Mike Tyson.


http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/images/RockyMarciano-1.jpg

I seriously doubt this son of a bitch could even last 2 rounds against a coasting Mayweather

:lmao Tim Bradley would probably have his way on him too

:lmao

a 10th rank WBO boxer can knock out marxiono in two rounds...


People underrating nutrition and science as usual.

[Malik Hairston]

:lol imagine Magic trying to sneak around and hide his ass-fucking homosexuality in 2014 with the ubiquitous social media coverage, tbh..

It would be a locker room distraction from day 1..

[Thebesteva]

As a former amateur boxer, I feel like the one sport that is actually decreasing in talent every era is boxing. I agree about the other analogies, Dwight Howard would be considered a top 5 player all time if he played in the 80's.

However, boxing is different. The sport was much more serious and beloved during the 40's-early 2000's. Taking Mayweather out of the equation for a moment since he's so polarizing. The talent from the 60's-80's alone is astoundingly better than today, hence the reason why Bernard Hopkins was able to dominate for so long.

[midnightpulp]

Sports and athletes evolve (athletes obviously don't evolve genetically, but the advancements in sports medicine, nutrition, and training had led to an evolution in conditioning and athleticism).

That doesn't mean you can't appreciate what a great athlete did in their particular era. Shit, even Irishock has to be impressed with the way Cy Young and Walter Johnson would throw 30 complete games in a season, and they did so for multiple seasons. And that's with comparatively bad mechanics to today's pitchers. Their arms must've been goo after they retired. Nowadays, a pitcher has to have Tommy John if he throws more than 100 pitches.

[pookenstein]

I hate to interrupt the trollfest with a question, but I do anyway:
Are you guys talking about the 60's version (60's training, diets etc) of the old players playing against today's generation, or about how they'd do if how they'd do with the same possibilities our generation of players has?

[Thebesteva]

I hate to interrupt the trollfest with a question, but I do anyway:
Are you guys talking about the 60's version (60's training, diets etc) of the old players playing against today's generation, or about how they'd do if how they'd do with the same possibilities our generation of players has?

In Laymen's terms:

Even this

http://images.latinpost.com/data/images/full/22823/los-angeles-lakers-coach-byron-scott-praises-jeremy-lin.jpg?w=600

would dominate and destroy this anyday

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/top-moments-50s/50s.jpg

[horsielove]

The fault should be on the NBA Officiating, not the NBA players. NBA players of today play smart defense by not playing hard defense (90's defense) because if they do, they'd be fouled out in the first half. It's the Officiating that holds the players of today from playing ogre-smash defense.

[midnightpulp]

I hate to interrupt the trollfest with a question, but I do anyway:
Are you guys talking about the 60's version (60's training, diets etc) of the old players playing against today's generation, or about how they'd do if how they'd do with the same possibilities our generation of players has?

If Bill Russell was born in 1992, he'd basically be a more athletic Anthony Davis, meaning he'd be a monster. Russell was a genetic and athletic freak, and would be great in any era if granted equal training/knowledge advantages.

[FkLA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsYAICmVMHA


I think I could take Havlicek 1-on-1 tbh.

Nigga doesn't even have a left hand and when he gets courageous and attempts his weak ass, one-handed crossover he almost falls over. His vertical looks to be about 10" too. :lol

[midnightpulp]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsYAICmVMHA


I think I could take Havlicek 1-on-1 tbh.

Nigga doesn't even have a left hand and when he gets courageous and attempts his weak ass, one-handed crossover he almost falls over. His vertical looks to be about 10" too. :lol

Hondo was pretty legit. Crafty player with a nice all-around game and the best perimeter defender in his time. Also, his consistency from the Russell era to the post-expansion era is pretty impressive.

Even though his game looks rough by modern standards, he'd still smoke any of us :lol

[baseline bum]

Still though, Kobe in Russell's era? Colorado would have lynched his black ass.

[baseline bum]

Would Steve Nash be considered an above average defender in 1987?

[Clipper Nation]

:lol '90s basketball
:lol One player heroballs and chucks while everyone stands around and watches
:lol Hard fouling was considered defense
:lol 40-39 scores
:lol Nearly as boring as povertyball
:lol Nostalgiafaggots actually wanting the NBA to regress back to that garbage

[baseline bum]

Wilt's head wasn't in the game given his lifestyle and his team was fairly weak compared to Russell's.

His accomplishments are frequently derided and dismissed as a function of his era, but let's be serious. He averaged 50 ppt in a season, 22 rig in his career and is the only Center in history to lead to league in assists :lol



You put Wilt Chamberlain into the modern game, with modern workout routines and modern strategies, and he will still be the best big man on the floor today.

You put him in the modern game and he has 14 kids and HIV.

[baseline bum]

:lol '90s basketball
:lol One player heroballs and chucks while everyone stands around and watches
:lol Hard fouling was considered defense
:lol 40-39 scores
:lol Nearly as boring as povertyball
:lol Nostalgiafaggots actually wanting the NBA to regress back to that garbage

:cry Knicks-Heat
:cry Miss the days of Jordan's Bulls scoring 86 points
:cry Fratello Cavs
:cry Those Derek Harper forearm hand checks
:cry Keepin it real

[TDMVPDPOY]

chimp ballers are overrated, doesnt mean on every possession u going to use ur full chimp potential chasing a stat

chimp abilities is one thing, but bball is also about fundamentals and positioning if u have good size at the position ur playin at...

u telling me u cant block out wilt to chase a rebound? its not like the rules will allow wilt to jump over ur back to grab a rebound

lol 70-80s = playing against white midgets

[midnightpulp]

Would Steve Nash be considered an above average defender in 1987?

Nah. He'd get roasted.

Zeke, Fat Lever, Sleepy Floyd, our old friend Terry Porter would kill him.

I think 80's ball was at a higher level than 90's ball.

[Killakobe81]

Nah. He'd get roasted.

Zeke, Fat Lever, Sleepy Floyd, our old friend Terry Porter would kill him.

I think 80's ball was at a higher level than 90's ball.

It was and this thread exaggerates much.

[ambchang]

So when exactly did the gene mutation happened that allowed today's athletes to be so much more athletic and intelligent that they can play in this era?

[Raven]

:lmao Bill Russell dominating 6'8 white stiffs
:lmao could you imagine him going up against 6'10 Chris Bosh, with lightning quick first step, pivot and spin move dribble attack and the ability to hit 3's :lmao

yep, he'd let bosh 0 ppg

[Raven]

:lmao Maurice Richard, Gordie Howe, Bobby Orr, Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Ty Cobb, Chamberlain, Bill Russell, O-Robertson, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Brown

robertson is probably the best example of a player hurt by the age he played in, he'd be unguardable today.. well he was back then too..

[lefty]

Chimps today may be more athletic , but their basketbll IQ is just :lmao

Heck I'm not even sure they are better athletes

Skinny Kareem Abdul Jabbal was a freak of nature, he had nasty elbows , was durable, and he ran the floor well even in his late 30s :wow

Dwight cant run like him and will never score 25 pts at age 37 :lol

[Clipper Nation]

:cry Knicks-Heat
:cry Miss the days of Jordan's Bulls scoring 86 points
:cry Fratello Cavs
:cry Those Derek Harper forearm hand checks
:cry Keepin it real
:cry Bring back hand-checking! (even though Stern banned it in the mid-'90s to help DK win)
:cry Never mind advanced defensive schemes like the strong-side! You're not playing defense unless you just hack and hard-foul people!
:cry Passing the ball is for pussies... it's much more fun to watch one player isolate and brick long 2's!
:cry Players are so mentally weak these days - if only they were as clutch as Karl PedoMalone and John Starks

[Raven]

Still though, Kobe in Russell's era? Colorado would have lynched his black ass.

:lol

[Henrik Sedin]

Man, this is one gay ass circle jerk. Seriously do you guys believe the retarded shit coming out of your mouth or are you purposely just quoting each other to get the pages up.

DeAndre Jordan averaging 50/40? :lmao

[Henrik Sedin]

Tbh, I don't understand how Wilt didn't flat out dominate more than he did. He was supposedly the greatest athlete to ever play in the NBA, but in his 50 ppg season that same year Elgin Baylor averaged 38. I know 12 ppg is still a huge gap, but look at Elgin then look at Wilt :lol

Him and the Admiral were cut from the same cloth tbh

Because Elgin is one of the greatest 25 ever and Wilt wasn't like Cousins, he was a tram player. You ever looked at his assists?

[Henrik Sedin]

:cry Bring back hand-checking! (even though Stern banned it in the mid-'90s to help DK win)
:cry Never mind advanced defensive schemes like the strong-side! You're not playing defense unless you just hack and hard-foul people!
:cry Passing the ball is for pussies... it's much more fun to watch one player isolate and brick long 2's!
:cry Players are so mentally weak these days - if only they were as clutch as Karl PedoMalone and John Starks :cry I'd rather watch Blake and Harden flop their way to 15-17 ft per game
:cry nvm defense, just give them open lanes to the basket
:cry it's more fun to watch Blake and CP3 alley oop all night
:cry I wish CP3/Blake wasn't the next obvious Karl/John

[Clipper Nation]

Man, this is one gay ass circle jerk. Seriously do you guys believe the retarded shit coming out of your mouth or are you purposely just quoting each other to get the pages up.

DeAndre Jordan averaging 50/40? :lmao
Which take is the dumbest?

a.) "Panthers will win the divison easily"
b.) "Cum Newton > Joe Montana"
c.) "LeBron = T-Mac"
d.) "Cum Newton should be MVP"
e.) All of the above

[Killakobe81]

Chimps today may be more athletic , but their basketbll IQ is just :lmao

Heck I'm not even sure they are better athletes

Skinny Kareem Abdul Jabbal was a freak of nature, he had nasty elbows , was durable, and he ran the floor well even in his late 30s :wow

Dwight cant run like him and will never score 25 pts at age 37 :lol

This ...
I would say you can make a case at a similar size ...KL is a better ball handler defender and all around athlete than James Worthy. He also is a better deep shooter. But As much as I love KL (and outside of Anthony Davis he is my favorite young player) I would take James worthy even with his lack of advanced scouting reports, access to data and less athleticism. James mid range, quick game base line spins up and unders have few matches in today's NBA. Worthy might not be as dominant in 2014 but a great player is a great player.

[313]

So when exactly did the gene mutation happened that allowed today's athletes to be so much more athletic and intelligent that they can play in this era?
When the league started letting guys use PEDs so they could get the next superstar

[AlexJones]

I'm not sure I'd take Babe Ruth on my playoff roster over an emergency bullpen pitcher. And I probably wouldn't start Oscar Robertson over Monta. He'd be neck and neck with Devin Harris.

[Joseph Kony]

Wilt was an athletic monster with a great turn around bank shot tbh, I think a lot of the old players would suck balls in todays game but Wilt isn't one of them imho

[AlexJones]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsYAICmVMHA


I think I could take Havlicek 1-on-1 tbh.

Nigga doesn't even have a left hand and when he gets courageous and attempts his weak ass, one-handed crossover he almost falls over. His vertical looks to be about 10" too. :lol

:lol you would probably drop a hammer on Jerry West too. I'm thinking 11-4.

[Cry Havoc]

Nah. He'd get roasted.

Zeke, Fat Lever, Sleepy Floyd, our old friend Terry Porter would kill him.

I think 80's ball was at a higher level than 90's ball.

No one in the 80s played defense, though. Even in the Finals you had guys running to the FT line extended and taking uncontested 15 footers with no pressure at all.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Some players ability and skills can transcend time, others wouldn't fare well in some eras. Considering sports science, nutrition and player development in this era has increased exponentially, it's no surprise athletes of this generation looked absolutely superhuman like compared to the player in the 80's, 70's or what have you. I'm not going to go waaay back, but All Star players in the 80's and especially early to mid 90's could still dominate in this era. If the same rules are in play, you wouldn't see hacks like James Harden average 25 points a game. NBA officiating rules have been adjusted in order to forge a game where everyone can be safe, where a 6-4 shooter can fearlessly drive at a 7-1 behemoth because he knows all he has to do is barrel through defenders and he'll be protected by the refs.


Today's games are a lot more fun though and the talent pool is much, much impressive, there's no doubt about that. But an overwhelming amount of them are also mentally weak. There's that trade off but the league has given us a much better product overall.


And1

Nutrition, player development and any of that modern stuff has made today's athletes a lot better. Also, the game overall just evolved, the game is just better.

[AlexJones]

In Laymen's terms:

Even this

http://images.latinpost.com/data/images/full/22823/los-angeles-lakers-coach-byron-scott-praises-jeremy-lin.jpg?w=600

would dominate and destroy this anyday

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/top-moments-50s/50s.jpg

That's a borderline NBA calibre team going up against a YMCA pickup squad. :lmao

[lefty]

Thosr Lakers arent Nba caliber teams

[midnightpulp]

That's a borderline NBA calibre team going up against a YMCA pickup squad. :lmao

You're forgetting that Kobe would find a way to shoot them out of that game.

[StrengthAndHonor]

No one in the 80s played defense, though. Even in the Finals you had guys running to the FT line extended and taking uncontested 15 footers with no pressure at all.
80's ball was awful. Nash IMO would have no problems.

[StrengthAndHonor]

That's a borderline NBA calibre team going up against a YMCA pickup squad. :lmao
It's unfair to compare teams from two vastly different eras. Even this years Kentucky Wildcats roster would demolish any NBA team in the 60's or even 70's.

[Clipper Nation]

When the league started letting guys use PEDs so they could get the next superstarIf you really think players weren't juicing in the '80s and '90s, you're deluding yourself, tbh.

Steroids were already in football and baseball by the late '60s, it would not be a shock if basketball players had started juicing by then as well.

[King Emmanuel]

Timmy>MJ

[The Gemini Method]

In before the resident darkie protector makes comment...

[Cry Havoc]

80's ball was awful. Nash IMO would have no problems.

Nash is tougher than most give him credit for, he's just not an enforcer. 80s ball would have been ideal for him, he would have shot 55% in that era.

[lefty]

If you really think players weren't juicing in the '80s and '90s, you're deluding yourself, tbh.

Steroids were already in football and baseball by the late '60s, it would not be a shock if basketball players had started juicing by then as well.

They didnt look like they were on steroids back then

I baseball it's noticeable

[DAF86]

Give All-time greats from past years the chance to work with todays' technics (on training, nutrition, etc.) and they would be great for today standards too. Wilt may not score 50 ppg on a season but he would dominate an Omer Asik.

[Jenks]

Give All-time greats from past years the chance to work with todays' technics (on training, nutrition, etc.) and they would be great for today standards too. Wilt may not score 50 ppg on a season but he would dominate an Omer Asik.
Why would you need go give Wilt any different training or nutrition than he had? He was twice the athlete that any of today's centers are.
This isn't the NFL where the guys are now 50lbs heavier, 6" taller, and can run faster. Wilt, with what he had, was physically superior to today's centers by miles. We're talking about a guy 3+ inches taller than Dwert, who could jump higher than him, and was stronger than Shaq. And these tards are talking about Asik.

[DAF86]

Why would you need go give Wilt any different training or nutrition than he had? He was twice the athlete that any of today's centers are.
This isn't the NFL where the guys are now 50lbs heavier, 6" taller, and can run faster. Wilt, with what he had, was physically superior to today's centers by miles. We're talking about a guy 3+ inches taller than Dwert, who could jump higher than him, and was stronger than Shaq. And these tards are talking about Asik.

If you don't think he would be at a disadvantage with antiquated training methods in todays' NBA you aren't thinking straight.

[Jenks]

If you don't think he would be at a disadvantage with antiquated training methods in todays' NBA you aren't thinking straight.
Be specific, tell me what training Wilt lacked physically that today's training would improve.
Keep the following in mind while answering:
Stronger than Shaq
55" vertical leap
Career average 46 MPG

[lefty]

Just because players were skinnier, it doesnt mean they were weaker , less athletic, in worse shape. etc


People who make that confusion are idiots tbh :lol

[DAF86]

Be specific, tell me what training Wilt lacked physically that today's training would improve.
Keep the following in mind while answering:
Stronger than Shaq
55" vertical leap
Career average 46 MPG

Every single one that has proved over the years to get the best out of any phisycal atribute a player posses.

[lefty]

Then Messi must be from the 50s TBH, because he needs HGH

[RsxPiimp]

Why would you need go give Wilt any different training or nutrition than he had? He was twice the athlete that any of today's centers are.
This isn't the NFL where the guys are now 50lbs heavier, 6" taller, and can run faster. Wilt, with what he had, was physically superior to today's centers by miles. We're talking about a guy 3+ inches taller than Dwert, who could jump higher than him, and was stronger than Shaq. And these tards are talking about Asik.

:lol


The evolution in both science and training is nothing to scoff at. The mere fact Wilt was a freak in his era despite of antiquated techniques and less than ideal dietary plan is enough proof he'll dominate in this era. I remember Arnold Schwarzenegger's pre and post work out meal. They didn't have the luxury of whey protein, creatine supplements etc so everything was natural (eggs and milk) and his physique is still one of the best in history.




Wilt was a real once of a kind athlete in a sense. Like Lebron or Shaq. Those dudes will rule any league.

[DAF86]

Just because players were skinnier, it doesnt mean they were weaker , less athletic, in worse shape. etc


People who make that confusion are idiots tbh :lol

Remember how there was a time humanity didn't use to have electricity and now we do, how we didn't use to have internet and now we do, how once we got it it used to be so slow and now is faster? Humanity evolves over time.

[lefty]

Remember how there was a time humanity didn't use to have electricity and now we do, how we didn't use to have internet and now we do, how once we got it it used to be so slow and now is faster? Humanity evolves over time.
This posts tells me you're a couch athlete

[DAF86]

Then Messi must be from the 50s TBH, because he needs HGH

Messi is a great case to prove my point. If he was from let's say 1935, he may not even been a professional football player and now he is God. :hat

[DAF86]

This posts tells me you're a couch athlete

I played semi professional football till age 20, tbh.

[Jenks]

The mere fact Wilt was a freak in his era despite of antiquated techniques and less than ideal dietary plan is enough proof he'll dominate in this era.Exactly -

Could he be slightly better with today's science? It's possible. It wouldn't allow him to play more minutes, it's doubtful it'd make him any stronger, and it's doubtful he'd jump any higher, so it's idiotic to get hung up on it. My point is we don't need retarded conjecture about what different training could possibly do in order to talk about Wilt. Actual Wilt, not hypothetical Wilt with today's training, would dominate in 2014.

[DAF86]

This posts tells me you're a couch athlete

Put Brazil from the '70s against today's Getafe and Getafe probably wins easy. Now give 70's Brazil today's physical and tactical preparation and they are the ones that win easy.

[lefty]

Put Brazil from the '70s against today's Getafe and Getafe probably wins easy. Now give 70's Brazil today's physical and tactical preparation and they are the ones that win easy.
:rollin

[Mikeanaro]

Yet no futuristic athletic man can resist a bullet in the head, or have a 6 foot vertical leap, or make a homerun with a metal bat and a cannonball.
Peds gives you a boost, and makes you look better because all that fake ripped muscle is full of water but won´t make you a super human with ultra-advanced genetics, if they are so advanced these genetic freaks should have at least 3 foot schlongs too :lmao.

[DAF86]

:rollin

You're dumb if you think otherwise.

Folks back then played at a stupidly slow pace, teams played with 4 or 5 forwards and they would never track back. You don't understand this game if you think any average team from today with current physical and tactical preparation doesn't win is said scenario.

[lefty]

:rollin omg


The thought of Mehdi Lacen and Co taking on Pelé and Tostao is just :lmao

[ambchang]

Exactly -

Could he be slightly better with today's science? It's possible. It wouldn't allow him to play more minutes, it's doubtful it'd make him any stronger, and it's doubtful he'd jump any higher, so it's idiotic to get hung up on it. My point is we don't need retarded conjecture about what different training could possibly do in order to talk about Wilt. Actual Wilt, not hypothetical Wilt with today's training, would dominate in 2014.


His peak would likely be longer.

[DAF86]

:rollin omg


The thought of Mehdi Lacen and Co taking on Pelé and Tostao is just :lmao

How does it feel to be so mistaken?

[lefty]

How does it feel to be so mistaken?
Only you can answer that

[Jodelo]

Put Brazil from the '70s against today's Getafe and Getafe probably wins easy. Now give 70's Brazil today's physical and tactical preparation and they are the ones that win easy.

:lmao:lmao

[lefty]

:lmao:lmao
:lol like the 70s Brazil need all that shit to beat Getafe

[Clipper Nation]

Put Brazil from the '70s against today's Getafe and Getafe probably wins easy. Now give 70's Brazil today's physical and tactical preparation and they are the ones that win easy.

Tbh, (assuming this is povertyball) it would probably be a boring, shitty 0-0 tie no matter what.

[baseline bum]

Tbh, (assuming this is povertyball) it would probably be a boring, shitty 0-0 tie no matter what.

I don't get that argument at all about 70s Brazil. Mexicans in the third world playing poorball would still be using 1970s medicine anyways tbh.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Remember how there was a time humanity didn't use to have electricity and now we do, how we didn't use to have internet and now we do, how once we got it it used to be so slow and now is faster? Humanity evolves over time.

For the most part nutrition is a group of fads going back and forth that evolve over time and are at best based on soft science. Comparing that or psychology to our understanding of the EM force is fun I guess but is bullshit. The studies conflict each other and there is no 'right' answer. Steroids and speed are nothing new and the atkins diet is not avante garde.

Wilt was bigger stronger and faster than players today and has been demonstrated objectively. What you are presenting is technology worship and little more. I bet you are an Apple fan too.

[jimbo]

Because Elgin is one of the greatest 25 ever and Wilt wasn't like Cousins, he was a tram player. You ever looked at his assists?

:lol Zach Randolph tier body
:lol greatest 25 ever

lmao

And assists are meaningless. Top 3 team cancer all time, Kobe Bryant, has averaged a fuck ton of assists too. Tbh the only time Wilt really won a title was because he stopped being a fuccboi and actually played team basketball. Every other year? Cancer.

[jimbo]

For the most part nutrition is a group of fads going back and forth that evolve over time and are at best based on soft science. Comparing that or psychology to our understanding of the EM force is fun I guess but is bullshit. The studies conflict each other and there is no 'right' answer. Steroids and speed are nothing new and the atkins diet is not avante garde.

Wilt was bigger stronger and faster than players today and has been demonstrated objectively. What you are presenting is technology worship and little more. I bet you are an Apple fan too.

>2014
>being this ignorant

You have no excuse. You have the sum of human knowledge at your fingertips but you still think nutrition is at best a soft science? :lmao

This is why you're skinnyfat. (or just plain fat, just taking a stab in the dark right now)

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol Zach Randolph tier body
:lol greatest 25 ever

lmao

And assists are meaningless. Top 3 team cancer all time, Kobe Bryant, has averaged a fuck ton of assists too. Tbh the only time Wilt really won a title was because he stopped being a fuccboi and actually played team basketball. Every other year? Cancer.

This is pretty ignorant. When he went crazy from 61-63 and put up all those points that was at his coach's behest because the talent level on the squad was shit.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

>2014
>being this ignorant

You have no excuse. You have the sum of human knowledge at your fingertips but you still think nutrition is at best a soft science? :lmao

This is why you're skinnyfat. (or just plain fat, just taking a stab in the dark right now)

Ad hominem. Nice. I work out 4 days a week and don't drink my sugar.

Yes soft science. I know some molecular nutritionists but they don't get much play in the overall. Even they admit that there is only a cursory understanding of the systems at play here. Looking at the debate over artificial sweeteners goes to show how shitty the 'science' is.

I said technology worship but it seems more like a hipster's celebration of the new or different than actual technology.

[Malik Hairston]

Sporting News article from 1955

"The Stilt is most effective simply because of his physical qualities. He stands 7-feet in his sweat socks. Over this frame are spread 225 sinewy pounds. He is almost as agile as a 5-11 playmaker. He can jump 24 inches straight up."

:lmao:lmao

I'll give Wilt credit, he was definitely ahead of his time, and a lot more impressive than the other players of his era..

However, it must have been nice playing against such awful, unathletic competition:lol..

[jimbo]

This is pretty ignorant. When he went crazy from 61-63 and put up all those points that was at his coach's behest because the talent level on the squad was shit.

:lol 2 HOFs on his team but :cry shitty talent level :cry

:lol worst defense in the league even though you have the most athletic player of all time playing over 48 minutes a game

:lol averaging 50 points a game but not even winning MVP

http://001-jk-files.s3.amazonaws.com/images/boxscores/196204050BOS.jpg

:lol getting shut down by Ben Wallace in game 7 of the ECFs

http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mVp9aWKw4CtfLc0rMshYQyw.jpg

"Get on my fucking back Wilt"

[jimbo]

Ad hominem. Nice. I work out 4 days a week and don't drink my sugar.

Yes soft science. I know some molecular nutritionists but they don't get much play in the overall. Even they admit that there is only a cursory understanding of the systems at play here. Looking at the debate over artificial sweeteners goes to show how shitty the 'science' is.

I said technology worship but it seems more like a hipster's celebration of the new or different than actual technology.

Rofl it's really not surprising that someone who thinks nutrition is a soft science would boil their positive nutritional habits down to "don't drink my sugar."

:lmao

And like I give a fuck if you know some molecular nutritionists. If you're not even saying where they do their research at it's a meaningless statement.


Even they admit that there is only a cursory understanding of the systems at play here.

What really happens:

"Oh fuck FuzzyLumpkins is babbling on again with his soft science bullshit, let's just say we don't know shit so he'll stop harassing us"

It's pretty much like when you tell a homeless guy you don't got any money on you cause you want em to leave you alone.

[Malik Hairston]

:lmao jimbo impregnating Fuzzy, tbh..

[rogues]

:lmao jimbo impregnating Fuzzy, tbh..
:lmao FuzzyLumpkins is one of the softest faggiest posters I've ever encountered on the internet, tbh..he's like that wannabe know-it-all libtard redditor who people call faggot..

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Rofl it's really not surprising that someone who thinks nutrition is a soft science would boil their positive nutritional habits down to "don't drink my sugar."

:lmao

And like I give a fuck if you know some molecular nutritionists. If you're not even saying where they do their research at it's a meaningless statement.



What really happens:

"Oh fuck FuzzyLumpkins is babbling on again with his soft science bullshit, let's just say we don't know shit so he'll stop harassing us"

It's pretty much like when you tell a homeless guy you don't got any money on you cause you want em to leave you alone.

And in all of that you do not discuss the science of nutrition. This is especially delicious in light of you claiming that I cannot talk about it.

Milk is good, milk is bad, carbs are good carbs are bad. Saccharine causes cancer, no it doesn't it reduces caloric intake, no it effects metabolism. There are so many conflicting reports out there coming from the 'science' of nutrition. Add into that the impact of advertising and all I can do is smh.

The vast majority of it doesn't deal with the actual metabolizing of things and deals with overarching guesses using shitty categorization. That is the very definition of soft science. Most of psychology uses the same approach.

and :lol HH playing your fluffer.

Bluster is not compelling.

[Malik Hairston]

:lol the NBA didn't even implement team trainers and strength/conditioning coaches until the 80s, let alone nutritionists..

To believe that it hasn't had an impact is just asinine, tbh..

Hundreds of pro players and coaches have discussed the impact training and nutrition has had on their careers/bodies..anybody that knows anything about training/lifting knows that there has been a huge progression in acquiring knowledge, just like most other fields..

[Mikeanaro]

:(

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol the NBA didn't even implement team trainers and strength/conditioning coaches until the 80s, let alone nutritionists..

To believe that it hasn't had an impact is just asinine, tbh..

Hundreds of pro players and coaches have discussed the impact training and nutrition has had on their careers/bodies..anybody that knows anything about training/lifting knows that there has been a huge progression in acquiring knowledge, just like most other fields..

So now you resort to the incredulity argument. You cannot articulate or quantify a damn thing. I am not saying that it has not had an impact. I am saying that we cannot know what that impact has been.

At the end of the day Wilt Chamberlain was still bigger, faster, and stronger than modern NBA players despite your supposed advances. I can quantify and articulate how.

[Jenks]

You'd think with all this amazing nutritional science we'd have at least one 7 footer in the NBA with half the athleticism of Wilt.

I'd give Dwert the label of half as athletic, but calling him 6'10" is charity.

[dirk4mvp]

so is Wilt Chokerlain the only guy old people hang their dusty fedora on when talking about old athletic players? I guess you could use Dr. J but then again even a career scrub like Gerald Green is more athletic than he is tbh

[Malik Hairston]

So now you resort to the incredulity argument. You cannot articulate or quantify a damn thing. I am not saying that it has not had an impact. I am saying that we cannot know what that impact has been.

At the end of the day Wilt Chamberlain was still bigger, faster, and stronger than modern NBA players despite your supposed advances. I can quantify and articulate how.

The Sporting News article from the 50's says that Wilt had a 25 inch vertical..pretty unimpressive, tbh..

I also question whether his metrics results were exaggerated, as he was probably viewed as a circus act at the time, tbh..hyperbole to attract people to buy tickets to come watch Wilt in a time where it was difficult for niggas to be liked by the White public..

A lot of lies surrounding Wilt IMO..that Sporting News article gave us his real, accurate vertical..

[jimbo]

And in all of that you do not discuss the science of nutrition. This is especially delicious in light of you claiming that I cannot talk about it.

Milk is good, milk is bad, carbs are good carbs are bad. Saccharine causes cancer, no it doesn't it reduces caloric intake, no it effects metabolism. There are so many conflicting reports out there coming from the 'science' of nutrition. Add into that the impact of advertising and all I can do is smh.

The vast majority of it doesn't deal with the actual metabolizing of things and deals with overarching guesses using shitty categorization. That is the very definition of soft science. Most of psychology uses the same approach.

and :lol HH playing your fluffer.

Bluster is not compelling.

I already knew you were going to go that route tbh. That's why I called out your association with "molecular nutritionists" and you saying you don't drink your sugar.

This statement actually perfectly sums up my thoughts on it...


The vast majority of it doesn't deal with the actual metabolizing of things and deals with overarching guesses using shitty categorization. That is the very definition of soft science. Most of psychology uses the same approach.

But that's the same reason why what you were writing earlier was meaningless. If the vast majority of nutrition "research" is bunk, why quote your association with molecular nutritionists w/o touting their research achievements? By your line of thought, of course I'm going to think they're most likely quacks since the vast majority of em ain't worth a damn.


The "drink my sugars part" also plays into the "overarching guesses using shitty categorization." The actual science of nutrition doesn't change every couple years. What changes is what the media focuses on based on shitty studies done to get more research grants/dollars. (Or studies directly funded by whatever interest group would benefit from it.) Saying you don't drink your sugars is boiling down nutrition to the same media-speak that is generated from what you think is the soft part of the science. This same media talk happens all the damn time with every other scientific field because of competition for research grants, but I don't see you decrying the field of pharmacology because cancer is cured 10 times a year.

Good studies do get done, but it turns out you have to look at the research parameters to see if it's worth a damn. It's really hard to do good research which is why most of what you see/hear about sucks.


and tbh this is the difference between steroids/nutrition of Wilt's era and steroids/nutrition today...

http://www.legendaryfitness.com/as1975MrO.jpg

http://bodyandgym.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/sergio%20oliva%20(12).jpg


vs
http://primesupplements.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Phil-Kai.jpg
http://www.isteroids.com/bodybuilding/images/phil_heath2.jpg
vs

[Malik Hairston]

^^ anybody that possesses even the slightest knowledge of training/lifting is aware of the advancements in every facet of the field, tbh..

Fuzzy is an intelligent person(typical, arrogant intellectual that lacks social skills), but he doesn't seem like the type that has ever stepped into the weight room..

[apalisoc_9]

Honestly, it's beyond stupid to think 60's players are more athletix are even close to today's athletes..

How anyone would waste time arguing with someone who thinks like that is beyond me tbh..no offense to Harlem, jimbo and the other smart guys..

But it's just beyond retarded to think a 20 inch vert guy is more or as athletic as Deandre..Deandree would bully 60's niggas...

[lefty]

If DeAndre played in the 60s he wouldn't be the athlete he is today.

And considering he is a shitty player with 0 skills, without his athleticism and that he basketball IQ is nonexistent, then HE would be bullied in the 60s

[apalisoc_9]

If DeAndre played in the 60s he wouldn't be the athlete he is today.

And considering he is a shitty player with 0 skills, without his athleticism and that he basketball IQ is nonexistent, then HE would be bullied in the 60s

I think that's the point...

Today's players are infinitely more athletic...

[Malik Hairston]

:lol most of the players from the 60s are White men that look like my High School math teachers, tbh..

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The Sporting News article from the 50's says that Wilt had a 25 inch vertical..pretty unimpressive, tbh..

I also question whether his metrics results were exaggerated, as he was probably viewed as a circus act at the time, tbh..hyperbole to attract people to buy tickets to come watch Wilt in a time where it was difficult for niggas to be liked by the White public..

A lot of lies surrounding Wilt IMO..that Sporting News article gave us his real, accurate vertical..

Sorry but you do not even cite anything. And for someone who claims a lack of social skills in others you sure do lack introspection. Most of your schticks are nothing more than antisocial behavior.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Honestly, it's beyond stupid to think 60's players are more athletix are even close to today's athletes..

How anyone would waste time arguing with someone who thinks like that is beyond me tbh..no offense to Harlem, jimbo and the other smart guys..

But it's just beyond retarded to think a 20 inch vert guy is more or as athletic as Deandre..Deandree would bully 60's niggas...

And yet Wilt was bigger, faster, and stronger than today's athletes by objective measurements.

It's great to have story time though.

[Bynumite]

Wilt would be a bench player playing garbage minutes in today's NBA but most likely he would be playing overseas in some scrub league.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I already knew you were going to go that route tbh. That's why I called out your association with "molecular nutritionists" and you saying you don't drink your sugar.

This statement actually perfectly sums up my thoughts on it...



But that's the same reason why what you were writing earlier was meaningless. If the vast majority of nutrition "research" is bunk, why quote your association with molecular nutritionists w/o touting their research achievements? By your line of thought, of course I'm going to think they're most likely quacks since the vast majority of em ain't worth a damn.


The "drink my sugars part" also plays into the "overarching guesses using shitty categorization." The actual science of nutrition doesn't change every couple years. What changes is what the media focuses on based on shitty studies done to get more research grants/dollars. (Or studies directly funded by whatever interest group would benefit from it.) Saying you don't drink your sugars is boiling down nutrition to the same media-speak that is generated from what you think is the soft part of the science. This same media talk happens all the damn time with every other scientific field because of competition for research grants, but I don't see you decrying the field of pharmacology because cancer is cured 10 times a year.

Good studies do get done, but it turns out you have to look at the research parameters to see if it's worth a damn. It's really hard to do good research which is why most of what you see/hear about sucks.


and tbh this is the difference between steroids/nutrition of Wilt's era and steroids/nutrition today...

http://www.legendaryfitness.com/as1975MrO.jpg

http://bodyandgym.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/sergio%20oliva%20(12).jpg


vs
http://primesupplements.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Phil-Kai.jpg
http://www.isteroids.com/bodybuilding/images/phil_heath2.jpg
vs

And in all of that you don't have anything constructive beyond to say that steroids are better nowadays. I won't disagree with you there. Pharmacology is good science. The solubility of carbohydrates is important and has nothing to do with shitty categorization. I am talking about the '5 food groups' and the like.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

^^ anybody that possesses even the slightest knowledge of training/lifting is aware of the advancements in every facet of the field, tbh..

Fuzzy is an intelligent person(typical, arrogant intellectual that lacks social skills), but he doesn't seem like the type that has ever stepped into the weight room..

You sure do buy into advertising.

[apalisoc_9]

You sure do buy into advertising.

advertising?

:lmao

[Henrik Sedin]

advertising?

:lmao

Like Kawhi being more than a role player :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

advertising?

:lmao

Yeah advertising seeing that he is using verbage used on much of the packaging you find at GNC and the like. Whey is still what it is.

What I find amusing is the irony of jimbo's avatar in light of it.

[lefty]

I think that's the point...

Today's players are infinitely more athletic...
But their BB IQ is kinda .... :lol

And the NBA has changed the rules to make it easier for them on the offensive end tbh :lol

[jimbo]

And in all of that you don't have anything constructive beyond to say that steroids are better nowadays. I won't disagree with you there. Pharmacology is good science. The solubility of carbohydrates is important and has nothing to do with shitty categorization. I am talking about the '5 food groups' and the like.

You want me to prove the validity of an entire scientific field? :lol Go ask your "molecular nutritionist" friends about that. I'm not your teacher, why would I care about educating you?

Just a hint though, you might not want to open up with "So yeah disregarding all that nutrient metabolic functions bullshit, what the fuck do y'all do? It's that 5 food group stuff right?"

[rogues]

:lol Jimbo taking a wet shit all over Lumpkins tbh

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You want me to prove the validity of an entire scientific field? :lol Go ask your "molecular nutritionist" friends about that. I'm not your teacher, why would I care about educating you?

Just a hint though, you might not want to open up with "So yeah disregarding all that nutrient metabolic functions bullshit, what the fuck do y'all do? It's that 5 food group stuff right?"

So you bluster in the place of articulation. You cannot do it.

[jimbo]

So you bluster in the place of articulation. You cannot do it.

I might not be able to do it, but I know someone who's an expert on nutrition that can. He made an appearance earlier on in this thread... You don't get that built w/o knowing how to fully utilize every nutrient that your body enters.


http://cache.sharenxs.com/images/wz/cabc/ab/ab/ah/aa/grapefruit4.gif

[Venti Quattro]

Simmons explained in The Book of Basketball that the era from 1984 to today consist of the modern NBA -- that is, if you pit the 1984 Celtics against the 2014 Spurs or the 1985 Lakers with the 2010 Lakers, we will get a pretty good match-up

[AlexJones]

I just finished Chris Nolan's The Prestige. Another classic, of course. Just like with the sports "new age>old school" shtick I'd have to say Nolan is also the greatest movie director of all time. It's just that much more impressive in today's age to come up with original concepts and turn em into classics, especially when everything's been done before.

:lmao Alfred Hitchcock
:lmao Charlie Chaplin
:lmao these two would struggle to even get a writer's job in today's local theatre companies
:lmao Citizen Kane
:lmao black and white movies
:lmao Spielberg
:lmao producing jack shit in today's cinema
:lmao Roman Polanski
:lmao too busy molesting children to produce decent films
:lmao mainstream names like Quentin Tarantino still making it on today's top directors lists
:lmao two hit wonder.. Real Romance and Pope Fiction

[DAF86]

:lmao:lmao


:lol like the 70s Brazil need all that shit to beat Getafe

smh

[lefty]

:lol quality trolling by Irishock and HH tbh

[Jenks]

Lotta dumb people not addressing this :lol

You'd think with all this amazing nutritional science we'd have at least one 7 footer in the NBA with half the athleticism of Wilt.

I'd give Dwert the label of half as athletic, but calling him 6'10" is charity.

[StrengthAndHonor]

The Sporting News article from the 50's says that Wilt had a 25 inch vertical..pretty unimpressive, tbh..

That's already been addressed as a fallacy. It has been documented for decades. Even stiffs in the league has a higher vertical than 25 inches. He's a won the State Championship High Jumper in college...with poor techniques and form.

Wilt Chamberlain won the 1957 Drake Relays university / college high jump at 6' 6 1/4"
http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-U1130006.jpg?size=67&uid=c1454533-2b34-4577-b1a5-e8fe1833efa7




http://youtu.be/QF8yJ1J1W7Q

[ambchang]

That's why athletic freaks like DeAndre Jordan and Gerald Green are dominating the league today.

[TDMVPDPOY]

how many of wilts blocks were goaltending?

[Jodelo]

smh

Yeah, Getafe beating Brazil 70's. :lol smh is right.

Still can't believe that statement. :lmao:lmao

[jag]

It's unfair to compare teams from two vastly different eras. Even this years Kentucky Wildcats roster would demolish any NBA team in the 60's or even 70's.

Well this year's Kentucky Wildcats roster would demolish the current Lakers so...

[jag]

And in all of that you don't have anything constructive beyond to say that steroids are better nowadays. I won't disagree with you there. Pharmacology is good science.

You're focusing on the wrong thing. It's not just the pharmacology, it's the methods of implementation.

There's a lot of ignorance with the general public regarding steroid cycles, post-cycle therapy(PCT) and steroid stacks in general. Athletes in the 30's-80's/90's were guinea pigs. The science was minimal and it was almost strictly trial and error in the field of bodybuilding/fitness training. Athletes today are benefiting from that trial and error as well as the advancements in science.

The guy who referred to "steriod muscle" as water (resulting in ostensibly strong and athletic freaks who are nothing more than chiseled weaklings), sounds like a assclown. The athletes aren't just visibly more impressive, they are considerably stronger and faster, which is supported by data.

We have a lot of people on here touting Chamberlain as the prime example for comparable and even superior athletes half a century ago. We have a difficult time pulling accurate data from the 80's for 40-yard dash times and standing vert. If you're willing to accept numbers from the 50's then so be it. Maybe he was truly a superior athlete capable of transcending decades/centuries. Good for him. He was playing against some white, 6'3" centers. He should have put up stupid numbers. DeAndre Jordan in the 50's would also be regarded as one of the greatest of all time now. What about everyone else? Take the best sprinters, powerlifters, etc. from the 30's-80's with their olympic times/measurements, and lets compare them to now. You get Jesse Owens, I'll take Usain Bolt. The steroids have gotten better, the science regarding cycles and stacks have gotten better and the training methods while using PEDs have also gotten better. Usain knows what roids to use, how to use them, how to train while on them and what kind of diet he'll need to break world records.

[jimbo]

Lotta dumb people not addressing this :lol

Javale McGee is the easy obvious answer, it shouldn't have even needed to be answered tbh

[jimbo]

Lotta dumb people not addressing this :lol

Oh and and just one for you to get buttfrustrated over because he flamed out of the NBA recently. Yi Jianlian. A Chinese dude woulda dominated the NBA back then. :lol

[DAF86]

Yeah, Getafe beating Brazil 70's. :lol smh is right.

Still can't believe that statement. :lmao:lmao

For a guy that spends so much time posting on the Soccer forum I thought you would know a little bit more about the game, then again you think Zidane is the GOAT so... smh with a facepalm.

[Jenks]

Javale McGee is the easy obvious answer, it shouldn't have even needed to be answered tbh
http://i.imgur.com/JRBMajE.jpg

That nutrition!! :lmao

You guys are so fucking stupid :lol

[lefty]

For a guy that spends so much time posting on the Soccer forum I thought you would know a little bit more about the game, then again you think Zidane is the GOAT so... smh with a facepalm.
Coming from someone who thinks Messi is as great as Diego and that the 70s World Champs would need proper nutrition/training to beat Getafe



That's rich

:bobo

[DAF86]

Coming from someone who thinks Messi is as great as Diego and that the 70s World Champs would need proper nutrition/training to beat Getafe



That's rich

I think all of that 'cause I'm more knowledgeable than you, tbh.

[spurraider21]

eh, sports evolve over time, "new brilliant" strategies, techniques, and training regimens become commonplace. it really doesn't make sense to compare a 1965 version of Wilt to a 2010 version of an NBA center (even though centers suck today).

same applies for just about everything. Isaac Newton is considered one of the most brilliant men in history, but look at how his theories/equations have been expanded upon and improved. it would be unfair to time warp 1700 version of Newton into a 2014 quantum mechanics class and expect him to ace an exam on the spot.

you have to take everything in context. if you want to compare Wilt to today's players, then you should also take into consideration either:

a) how much better Wilt would be if he was born in 1990, and trained just as hard as today's players
or
b) how effective today's players would be if they were born in the 40's and only had access to those training techniques

if you refuse to do that, your comparisons are moot, and all the greats of the past in anything: sports, science, literature, politics would be scrubs today. doubt thats accurate


:lol but this is one of the better troll threads in a while

[lefty]

I think all of that 'cause I'm more knowledgeable than you, tbh.
Where is Missi?

I dont see Missi


Missi?

Missi is missing

EDIT: I hadnt noticed him, he is the closest one to the ball

http://cdni.condenast.co.uk/642x390/o_r/PELE_MARADONA_ZIDANE_gq_26apr10_pr_b.jpg

[DAF86]

smh with a facepalm and an expression of being disgusted.

[lefty]

smh with a facepalm and an expression of being disgusted.
http://estaticos04.marca.com/imagenes/2010/08/03/1280857012_g_0.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/uH1AqGF.jpghttp://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/27116621/463799233.0_standard_730.0.jpghttp://static.weltsport.net/bilder/special_at/wm-qualifikation2014/messi-facepalm-apa.jpghttp://8bit-football.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/messi-puking.png

[Jodelo]

Zidane is the GOAT

For once i agree.

Other than that: Getafe beating Brazil :lmao

[jimbo]

http://i.imgur.com/JRBMajE.jpg

That nutrition!! :lmao

You guys are so fucking stupid :lol

Yeah, and that shit is still better than

http://i.imgur.com/GLZwmxs.png


Who's got the more durable body now?

[DAF86]

For once i agree.

Other than that: Getafe beating Brazil :lmao

I see what you did there, so clever and funny. No surprise coming from the same mastermind that gives us Zidane=GOAT.

[lefty]

I see what you did there, so clever and funny. No surprise coming from the same mastermind that gives us Zidane=GOAT.
not THE GOAT

But one of the GOATs

http://cdni.condenast.co.uk/642x390/o_r/PELE_MARADONA_ZIDANE_gq_26apr10_pr_b.jpg

[Jodelo]

I see what you did there, so clever and funny. No surprise coming from the same mastermind that gives us Zidane=GOAT.

But Messi is? Yeah, you're such a mastermind. :lol

You seem mad that Zidane is the GOAT for me. Wanna talk about it? :depressed

[Jodelo]

not THE GOAT

But one of the GOATs

http://cdni.condenast.co.uk/642x390/o_r/PELE_MARADONA_ZIDANE_gq_26apr10_pr_b.jpg

This pic sums up the GOAT's. :bobo

[ElNono]

not THE GOAT

But one of the GOATs

http://cdni.condenast.co.uk/642x390/o_r/PELE_MARADONA_ZIDANE_gq_26apr10_pr_b.jpg

what's Pele doing there? waiting for Garrincha to bail his ass out?

[lefty]

what's Pele doing there? waiting for Garrincha to bail his ass out?
not as much messi needs Iniesta and Xavi to play for Argentina :lol

[AlexJones]

I would have to say Pele's, Maradona's achievements aren't as impressive as Messi's. I just can't take these old guys seriously.

[jag]

Yeah, and that shit is still better than

http://i.imgur.com/GLZwmxs.png


Who's got the more durable body now?

:lol

[Jenks]

Yeah, and that shit is still better than

http://i.imgur.com/GLZwmxs.png


Who's got the more durable body now?

Touche :lol