Tim vs Kobe All-Time stats

[Captivus]

They faced each other 77 times (47 in RS and 30 in POs)
Tim won 27 RS and 18 POs games, a total of 45 out of 77. (58%).

Regular Season stats



Player
G
W
L
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html)
47
27
20
47
36.8
7.6
16.9
.451
0.0
0.1
.000
4.1
6.3
.652
2.8
8.8
11.6
3.4
0.7
1.8
2.3
2.7
19.4


Kobe Bryant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html)
47
20
27
44
38.3
9.5
21.8
.435
1.0
3.3
.308
4.9
5.9
.830
1.1
4.5
5.6
4.3
1.3
0.6
3.1
2.2
24.8



Playoff Stats



Player
G
W
L
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html)
30
12
18
30
42.1
9.0
19.0
.473

0.1
0.3
.250
7.2
10.1
.707
3.5
10.2
13.6
4.2
0.9
2.3
3.7
3.5
25.2


Kobe Bryant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html)
30
18
12
30
42.7
11.2
23.7
.473
1.4
4.1
.352
4.4
6.0
.733
1.2
4.7
5.9
4.7
1.4
0.3
3.3
2.7
28.2





Both players took more shots and made more shots during POs.
In terms of Rebounds and Assists Tim improved (getting 2 more REB and almost 1 more ASS)
Kobe, on the other hand, almost didnt increase his REB and ASS.
FT% is another good stat to see, TIM increase is by 0.5%, while Kobe reduced his by 10% during POs.
Last but not least, both players have the exact same FG% during POs.


My conclusion, both players are great (duh!), but Tim Duncan improve his performance during POs while Kobe didn't (at least not against Tim).

[Mel_13]

They faced each other 77 times (47 in RS and 30 in POs)
Tim won 27 RS and 18 POs games, a total of 45 out of 77. (58%).

Tim won 12 PO games, for a total of 39 out of 77 (.507).

[Captivus]

Tim won 12 PO games, for a total of 39 out of 77 (.507).
Tienes Razón ... mi error. Es victorias Porque resultamos bballreference pone al Jugador Más estafadores en la Instancia de instancia de parte superior, (supongo), TD ONU Es El Primero en RS y KB en las OP. Tuve Que EDITAR Que en mi Puesto, y Me Olvide de Cambio ESA Estadística también.

[hater]

why is Tim being compared to a clearly inferior player??

[Richie]

The playoff series question is an interesting one. I prefer to think of it as if the Spurs and Lakers (Tim and Kobe) faced each other every year in the playoffs, who would have won the series?

I have it at 8-8, and almost every year that they didn't face each other the winner is clear. I'd give the Lakers the edge in 2000 and 2011, but injuries played a big part in both of these. In 2000 the Lakers got taken to elimination games by both Sacramento and Portland, they hadn't won yet and there's a chance the Spurs could have beaten them if Duncan doesn't get injured.

In 2011 Manu broke his arm before the playoffs and we got beaten by a good Grizzlies team. It's said that the 2011 team was fools gold and they're probably right, but with a fatigued Lakers coming off three consecutive finals trips it would have been a competitive series.

[Cry Havoc]

At the end of the day, Tim Duncan has a legitimate argument as a top 5 player of all time. Name the players who have had a larger impact on both sides of the court for as long as Duncan, and there's really only one that pops up: Jabbar.

There have undoubtedly been a few players with a higher peak (although not much higher, as Duncan in 2003 averaged 24/17 with 4 blocks per game in the playoffs) but Duncan's longevity and all-around game with no real weaknesses is a testament to the kind of player he is. Duncan is nearly unmatched in his all-time performance and is exceeded only by one man in defensive win shares.

Kobe Bryant is a fringe top 10 player and objectively would be hard to place any higher than 9th on that list, and that's with quite a few caveats.

[Captivus]

Tim won 12 PO games, for a total of 39 out of 77 (.507).

WHAT!! I was on another computer and it translated my post!! WOW
You are right...my mistake. Bballreference put the player with most wins on top, and even tough I edited that to have Tim on top on both stats I forgot to correct the games win stat.

[Mr Bones]

The one stat that is consistently overlooked is team payroll. In the years the Spurs beat the Lakers, they did so while almost always having a significantly smaller payroll. In the time that Duncan and Kobe have been in the league together, the Lakers have outspent the Spurs by many many millions of dollars. If we could go back in time and let the Spurs add a player or two to every team to equal out the total salaries, the difference between Tim and Kobe would be even larger than it is now.

[Aztecfan03]

They faced each other 77 times (47 in RS and 30 in POs)
Tim won 27 RS and 18 POs games, a total of 45 out of 77. (58%).

Regular Season stats



Player
G
W
L
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html)
47
27
20
47
36.8
7.6
16.9
.451
0.0
0.1
.000
4.1
6.3
.652
2.8
8.8
11.6
3.4
0.7
1.8
2.3
2.7
19.4


Kobe Bryant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html)
47
20
27
44
38.3
9.5
21.8
.435
1.0
3.3
.308
4.9
5.9
.830
1.1
4.5
5.6
4.3
1.3
0.6
3.1
2.2
24.8



Playoff Stats



Player
G
W
L
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


Tim Duncan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html)
30
12
18
30
42.1
9.0
19.0
.473

0.1
0.3
.250
7.2
10.1
.707
3.5
10.2
13.6
4.2
0.9
2.3
3.7
3.5
25.2


Kobe Bryant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html)
30
18
12
30
42.7
11.2
23.7
.473
1.4
4.1
.352
4.4
6.0
.733
1.2
4.7
5.9
4.7
1.4
0.3
3.3
2.7
28.2





Both players took more shots and made more shots during POs.
In terms of Rebounds and Assists Tim improved (getting 2 more REB and almost 1 more ASS)
Kobe, on the other hand, almost didnt increase his REB and ASS.
FT% is another good stat to see, TIM increase is by 0.5%, while Kobe reduced his by 10% during POs.
Last but not least, both players have the exact same FG% during POs.


My conclusion, both players are great (duh!), but Tim Duncan improve his performance during POs while Kobe didn't (at least not against Tim).

I agree Tim is better, but this is a terrible post. Not only what mel13 pointed out but also- you skipped over how much koby's fg% increased and Tim "almost didn't increase his" FG%. You act like them having the same fg% is an advantage to Tim. Tim takes closer shots, whereas Koby took 4 3's a game.

[Captivus]

I agree Tim is better, but this is a terrible post. Not only what mel13 pointed out but also- you skipped over how much koby's fg% increased and Tim "almost didn't increase his" FG%. You act like them having the same fg% is an advantage to Tim. Tim takes closer shots, whereas Koby took 4 3's a game.

I wanted to point that out too...but theres another important variable that affects FG%, and that is FT.
During RS they both averaged almost the same FTA, around 6.
During POs Kobe got the same FTA while TD had 4 more! From 6 to 10! And that, my friend, decreases FG%.

[Aztecfan03]

I wanted to point that out too...but theres another important variable that affects FG%, and that is FT.
During RS they both averaged almost the same FTA, around 6.
During POs Kobe got the same FTA while TD had 4 more! From 6 to 10! And that, my friend, decreases FG%.

No it doesn't. Missed FG's that result in FT's aren't counted as FGA's. If anything that makes Kobe look even better in the FG% statistic compared to Duncan.

[Captivus]

No it doesn't. Missed FG's that result in FT's aren't counted as FGA's. If anything that makes Kobe look even better in the FG% statistic compared to Duncan.

Yes it does. A player gets fouled, and even more a center, when they are clearly going to score (usually). There's no stat to measure that, but I bet that the FG% of the shots that didn't happen because the player was fouled is at least 80%.

[Thomas82]

At the end of the day, Tim Duncan has a legitimate argument as a top 5 player of all time. Name the players who have had a larger impact on both sides of the court for as long as Duncan, and there's really only one that pops up: Jabbar.

There have undoubtedly been a few players with a higher peak (although not much higher, as Duncan in 2003 averaged 24/17 with 4 blocks per game in the playoffs) but Duncan's longevity and all-around game with no real weaknesses is a testament to the kind of player he is. Duncan is nearly unmatched in his all-time performance and is exceeded only by one man in defensive win shares.

Kobe Bryant is a fringe top 10 player and objectively would be hard to place any higher than 9th on that list, and that's with quite a few caveats.


Excellent post!!

[midnightpulp]

I think Kirby is the most overrated legend of all-time, but one thing I won't deny is that he always played above his head against the Spurs ('03 aside), even after we signed Bruce. Kobe's '08 WCF performance is probably the best series he's ever played, considering the stakes, the opponent, and his roster (first deep playoff run without Shaq).

As far as Duncan's vs. Kobe's head-to-head stats, Duncan's are slightly better. Much higher rebounding and nearly matching Kobe's assist-per-game mark. Kobe shooting a career .473 against us is pretty impressive, though.