Are you a liberal or a leftist?

[DarrinS]

from http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/000222.html




Liberals fly the American flag. Leftists burn it.

Liberals see America as the land of opportunity and freedom. Leftists see America as the bastion of Imperialism, Racism, and Oppression.

Liberals want higher taxes on the rich because it’s fairer to the middle and working classes. Leftists want to soak the rich out of class hatred.

Liberals want universal access to health care while leaving the system as market-driven as possible. Leftists would destroy the health care industry altogether and replace it with a state-run monopoly.

Liberals want to ban clear-cutting. Leftists want to ban the logging industry.

Liberals support globalization and trade and see it as an opportunity for economic growth and also as an opportunity to boost labor and environmental standards in the Third World. Leftists hate trade because they think it’s all about the West raping the rest.

Liberals blame the September 11 attacks on religious and political extremism in the Middle East. Leftists blame the September 11 attacks on America.

Liberals root for success in Iraq whether they supported the invasion or not. Leftists hope (either publicly or secretly) that America will lose and “learn a lesson.”

Liberals support the right of Israel to defend itself. Leftists support the Palestinian intifada.

Liberals support the troops. Leftists support the Iraqi Baathist resistance and put “terrorism” in sneer quotes.

Liberals support mainstream Democratic Party candidates in primary elections. Leftists support fringe candidates or a third party (Communists, Socialists, or Greens) to the left of the Democrats.

[FromWayDowntown]

Wait; what?

I thought liberals were bad, irredeemable people who should be deported for the good of America.

#confusedbynuance

[DarrinS]

Wait; what?

I thought liberals were bad, irredeemable people who should be deported for the good of America.

#confusedbynuance



Nope. There's a difference.

[FromWayDowntown]

Nope. There's a difference.

How about that?

[Spurminator]

The "Leftist" as defined in this silly column is a red herring fabricated by "Rightists" who need feel better thinking that people who disagree with them hate America and everything it stands for. It's what dumb people do regardless of their partisan leanings.

[spurraider21]

he's referring to classical liberalism, which is very different than what we call liberal today

[ElNono]

I'll bite:

Liberals fly the American flag. Leftists burn it.

Don't do either. I do love America though.

Liberals see America as the land of opportunity and freedom. Leftists see America as the bastion of Imperialism, Racism, and Oppression.

Liberal.

Liberals want higher taxes on the rich because it’s fairer to the middle and working classes. Leftists want to soak the rich out of class hatred.

Don't hate rich people, I do dislike the fact that they can co-opt democracy with their influence. Both left and right.

Liberals want universal access to health care while leaving the system as market-driven as possible. Leftists would destroy the health care industry altogether and replace it with a state-run monopoly.

Leftist. I don't think you can reconcile rentier interest vs what's best for the patient interest. I am, however, not opposed to a hybrid system where there's a supplemental (concierge) service provided by the private industry if people want it and can afford it.

Liberals want to ban clear-cutting. Leftists want to ban the logging industry.

Neither.

Liberals support globalization and trade and see it as an opportunity for economic growth and also as an opportunity to boost labor and environmental standards in the Third World. Leftists hate trade because they think it’s all about the West raping the rest.

I like trade, but with certain restrictions. I don't think unchained globalization works in the best interest of Americans.

Liberals blame the September 11 attacks on religious and political extremism in the Middle East. Leftists blame the September 11 attacks on America.

Liberal.

Liberals root for success in Iraq whether they supported the invasion or not. Leftists hope (either publicly or secretly) that America will lose and “learn a lesson.”

I root for GTFO. I don't think there's winners in this, and the only losers are broken families.

Liberals support the right of Israel to defend itself. Leftists support the Palestinian intifada.

I support the right of every country to defend itself within their borders, with their own money.

Liberals support the troops. Leftists support the Iraqi Baathist resistance and put “terrorism” in sneer quotes.

Liberal.

Liberals support mainstream Democratic Party candidates in primary elections. Leftists support fringe candidates or a third party (Communists, Socialists, or Greens) to the left of the Democrats.

Neither.

[Spurminator]

I mean is this article directed at conservative media and pundits? It's not Liberals who use the term "Liberal" as an insult.

[DarrinS]

Elnono with the goods. :bobo

[boutons_deux]

Liberals fly the American flag. Leftists burn it.

obsession with the flag is bullshit, but burning, eg, during the LOST Viet Nam war protest was great symbolism, attention getting.


Liberals see America as the land of opportunity and freedom. Leftists see America as the bastion of Imperialism, Racism, and Oppression.

opportunity today, and for the past 30 years, depends MOSTLY on how much money your parents have. Amercia is an imperial empire, is a racist country, and the security/police/corporte state unfuckably oppressive.


Liberals want higher taxes on the rich because it’s fairer to the middle and working classes. Leftists want to soak the rich out of class hatred.

It's time to soak the rich, because they have been soaking the non-rich since the mid-1970s.

Liberals want universal access to health care while leaving the system as market-driven as possible. Leftists would destroy the health care industry altogether and replace it with a state-run monopoly.

govt health insurance plus govt employee as providers is what works so well in other countries. for-profit health care would catch as catch can.

Liberals want to ban clear-cutting. Leftists want to ban the logging industry.

virgin, old growth forests must be left alone. There's plenty of farmed forests already wheren old growth has been destroyed.

Liberals support globalization and trade and see it as an opportunity for economic growth and also as an opportunity to boost labor and environmental standards in the Third World. Leftists hate trade because they think it’s all about the West raping the rest.

Globalization is a corporate scam, about (US) corporations and finance raping EVERYBODY.


Liberals blame the September 11 attacks on religious and political extremism in the Middle East. Leftists blame the September 11 attacks on America.

OBL said himself 9/11 was payback for US boots occupying his sacred Saudi sands.

Liberals root for success in Iraq whether they supported the invasion or not. Leftists hope (either publicly or secretly) that America will lose and “learn a lesson.”

Iraq is already lost, America, esp the Repugs/MIC/VWRC ignores any such "lesson"


Liberals support the right of Israel to defend itself. Leftists support the Palestinian intifada.

Israel is committing genocide.

Liberals support the troops. Leftists support the Iraqi Baathist resistance and put “terrorism” in sneer quotes.

Repugs didn't support the troops, they sent them into Iraq for the oil, wasting the troops. Dems wimpily went along, except notably for Obama.

[DarrinS]

We already knew you were a leftist, botox. :lol

[spurraider21]

i stand by my assessment of booboo being a political caricature

[boutons_deux]

We already knew you were a leftist, botox. :lol

Darrin, if you know 1% of what I do, you'd be be ahead of where you are now, totally lost.

[Blizzardwizard]

I'm a leftist, but none of those things you described a leftist of being as or believing in.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! more simpleminded political categorization from dumbass!

[ChumpDumper]

False premises.

[m>s]

Day of the rope is coming and it doesn't discern between both

[ChumpDumper]

You've been saying that for quite awhile now.

Can you give us a ballpark date so we'll all know when to die and stuff?

[Clipper Nation]

he's referring to classical liberalism, which is very different than what we call liberal today

Actually, he's referring to neoconservatism masquerading as classical liberalism, as evident from the "blind support for our foreign policy vs. hating America" false dilemma at the end of the quote.

[m>s]

Things take time in the big picture

[DarrinS]

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! more simpleminded political categorization from dumbass!




Duuuuuude, like, harmonic analysis.

http://html.pnsexplosion.com/uploaded_images/stoner-791927.jpg

[FuzzyLumpkins]

AHh he is changing my name and posting photos of other people. Butthurt are we?

In the real world, the article you posted is still dumbed down political thinking. Even stoned I can do better than that tripe.

[DarrinS]

AHh he is changing my name and posting photos of other people. Butthurt are we?

In the real world, the article you posted is still dumbed down political thinking. Even stoned I can do better than that tripe.


And we all care.

[Slutter McGee]

That is fucking stupid.

Slutter McGee

[diego]

I'll bite.



Liberals fly the American flag. Leftists burn it.

Not american, but agree burning it is a dick move. It is still a non violent form of protest, preferable to looting or confrontations between police and citizens, so I can understand why its done.


Liberals see America as the land of opportunity and freedom. Leftists see America as the bastion of Imperialism, Racism, and Oppression.

Facts are facts, sorry. The US has destabilized to varying degrees several countries for economic gain, routinely ignores the international community, has the worlds largest army and bases everywhere, between the patriot act, NSA, highest incarceration rate per capita and total prison population, and militarized police force the whole freedom shtick rings hollow.


Liberals want higher taxes on the rich because it’s fairer to the middle and working classes. Leftists want to soak the rich out of class hatred.

Hyperbole, the most "extreme" just want rates similar to those of 30-40 years ago before politicians and big money went buck wild- was the world really doing so badly then?


Liberals want universal access to health care while leaving the system as market-driven as possible. Leftists would destroy the health care industry altogether and replace it with a state-run monopoly.

True, personally I think hybrid systems are best among terrible solutions, health care is a bitch.


Liberals want to ban clear-cutting. Leftists want to ban the logging industry.

More hyperbole. In fact Id say most leftists really like wood furniture and construction, its a green, noble material.


Liberals support globalization and trade and see it as an opportunity for economic growth and also as an opportunity to boost labor and environmental standards in the Third World. Leftists hate trade because they think it’s all about the West raping the rest.

Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. The west (or its corporations?) are protectionist where it suits itself and pro trade and globalization where it wants to be. Trade can speed modernization but doesnt necessarily bring stability, often times it just accelerates inequality, bottom line it is regulated by all governments, and they almost all flip flop where they need to.


Liberals blame the September 11 attacks on religious and political extremism in the Middle East. Leftists blame the September 11 attacks on America.

Religious and political extremism, which the US and the west at large cultivated. Sorry if I cant ignore the direct links between the US military activity in the middle east and al qaeda's attack on the US.


Liberals root for success in Iraq whether they supported the invasion or not. Leftists hope (either publicly or secretly) that America will lose and “learn a lesson.”

On the contrary, leftists see it coming and try to warn you to stop. You already lost Iraq in every way possible, but no lessons have been learned and the US will continue engaging everything that happens everywhere, getting further entangled each time.


Liberals support the right of Israel to defend itself. Leftists support the Palestinian intifada.

Hyperbole. Israel is pretty terrible at defending itself and often crosses the line, and palestine is irony of ironies the worlds largest ghetto, ever. I dont support the intifada, I do support palestinian independence.


Liberals support the troops. Leftists support the Iraqi Baathist resistance and put “terrorism” in sneer quotes.

Its pretty hard to support the troops when they kill civilians and rape prisoners. The US likes to play world police but being a dirty cop heavily undermines the results. A lot of the TERRORISM! deserves sneer quotes.


Liberals support mainstream Democratic Party candidates in primary elections. Leftists support fringe candidates or a third party (Communists, Socialists, or Greens) to the left of the Democrats.

True, mainstream parties are always too corrupted to be trusted.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And we all care.

As opposed to all the people that come into your threads and describe you as an idiot. Compare and contrast with me getting accused of 'talking smart,' 'using fancy words,' and 'trying to be smart' as if trying to be dumb is the preferred approach.

At the end of the day you do not defend your shitty, simpleminded political categorizations and try for this petty shit instead.

[DarrinS]

As opposed to all the people that come into your threads and describe you as an idiot. Compare and contrast with me getting accused of 'talking smart,' 'using fancy words,' and 'trying to be smart' as if trying to be dumb is the preferred approach.

At the end of the day you do not defend your shitty, simpleminded political categorizations and try for this petty shit instead.


Maybe the the thread is simpleminded, but I do think there is a BIG difference between JFK and today's "progressives". If the Dems had candidates like JFK, I'd be a Democrat. I'm sure this thread doesn't articulate that idea in the best possible way, but it was just a topic of conversasion. I know I'm not the smartest person on this forum (I never assume I'm the smartest person --it's called humility).

But, at least I'm not a complete asshole, like you

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197878&page=5&p=5910380&viewfull=1#post5910380

By the way, not only did you NOT shut that guy's website down, but you inspired him to devote an entire section to the adverse effects of marijuana use. :lmao

[DarrinS]

Diego was on a roll until he got to 9/11 and Middle East issues.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Maybe the the thread is simpleminded, but I do think there is a BIG difference between JFK and today's "progressives". If the Dems had candidates like JFK, I'd be a Democrat. I'm sure this thread doesn't articulate that idea in the best possible way, but it was just a topic of conversasion. I know I'm not the smartest person on this forum (I never assume I'm the smartest person --it's called humility).

But, at least I'm not a complete asshole, like you

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197878&page=5&p=5910380&viewfull=1#post5910380

By the way, not only did you NOT shut that guy's website down, but you inspired him to devote an entire section to the adverse effects of marijuana use. :lmao

My point wasn't to get him to stop writing his blog. You missed the point of what I was doing. I was leading aspie around by his nose. How do you think I got him to fill out the survey? My point was to embarrass him in the manner in which he had tried to embarrass those people by showing them he admitted to mental illness. Shame is a powerful motivator for the narcissist. It worked as he melted down and then left here -which was my goal- soon after. If I had told him to leave here as a condition then it wouldn't have worked. He really did have an axis disorder and they tend to fixate.

He also was a fuckwit and accused people of pipe bombs and assorted terrorism despite the case being dismissed by summary judgment; I humiliated him to the point that he went back and edited all of his posts then left. I do feel bad about using my knowledge to trick him into filling out that psychological survey. You cannot link that because he edited it but I am sure you remember. I don't feel any remorse whatsoever from letting the people he wrote about know what he said nor making him go away. If that makes me an asshole then so be it.

I will say that your white knight routine defending that fuckwit is fairly revealing as to your character. It's not like he wasn't mentally ill and using the internet to blog libel about those he considered his political opponents. He even went after me and you cheer him on all the while. Then again he is much like you in that he will deceive, mislead, and dissemble in order to influence other's political behavior regarding AGW. Funny that.

As for the substance of this post, it remains an attempt to categorize so as to marginalize and then blanket dismiss. It's dumbed down binary thinking and no shit, the democratic party has changed in 50 years and since the civil rights amendment. No kidding you would have voted for the democrats prior to the southern strategy. Who would've thunk it?

As others have stated: shitty premise. Dumbing down the democratic party into two groups and waving your hands at issues and virtues that your find polarizing in modern context is self assuming nonsense but it allows you to basically say half of the democratic base is in the looney bin and thus their wants can be ignored. Much the same thinking is used to justify votes for poll taxes, reading tests, and voter ID laws on the eve of election. It's evil shit and yes I will continue to be a complete asshole to you.

[z0sa]

Labels suck. Strive to be without label. Educate those who subscribe to such doctrines.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I'm against anything boutons stands for tbqh

[Uriel]

This article grossly misrepresents the American far-left. :lol But to answer the question, if there's a centre-left and a far-left, I'm probably in between those two extremes.

[ohmwrecker]

Liberals fly the American flag. Leftists burn it.

Neither.

Liberals see America as the land of opportunity and freedom. Leftists see America as the bastion of Imperialism, Racism, and Oppression.

Both.

Liberals want higher taxes on the rich because it’s fairer to the middle and working classes. Leftists want to soak the rich out of class hatred.

Some rich people are honest, hard working, philanthropic and decent. Some are blood sucking vampires. Fuck those rich people.

Liberals want universal access to health care while leaving the system as market-driven as possible. Leftists would destroy the health care industry altogether and replace it with a state-run monopoly.?

Universal health care. Legalize marijuana.

Liberals want to ban clear-cutting. Leftists want to ban the logging industry.

We should only use as much resources as we can reasonably replace.

Liberals support globalization and trade and see it as an opportunity for economic growth and also as an opportunity to boost labor and environmental standards in the Third World. Leftists hate trade because they think it’s all about the West raping the rest.

Most trade is good for the economy. Fuck China though.

Liberals blame the September 11 attacks on religious and political extremism in the Middle East. Leftists blame the September 11 attacks on America.

85/15

Liberals root for success in Iraq whether they supported the invasion or not. Leftists hope (either publicly or secretly) that America will lose and “learn a lesson.”

'Murica!

Liberals support the right of Israel to defend itself. Leftists support the Palestinian intifada.

I'm on the fence on this one. They both suck.

Liberals support the troops. Leftists support the Iraqi Baathist resistance and put “terrorism” in sneer quotes.

'Murica!

Liberals support mainstream Democratic Party candidates in primary elections. Leftists support fringe candidates or a third party (Communists, Socialists, or Greens) to the left of the Democrats.

Case by case

[m>s]

I'm a reich-winger

[Wild Cobra]

I'm a reich-winger
keine Scheiße schwarzlock

[m>s]

i don't think that makes sense but i see what you're trying to do