daily reminder that

[m>s]

Hitler literally did nothing wrong and Europe will rise again


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFI6t960ty4

[m>s]

much respect to the SS who defended the Reich to the bitter end


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWU492sDNgo

[AaronY]

Oh, ok

[sook]

almost forgot how cool this shtick was.

[Malik Hairston]

Oh, ok

Hey man, I've always wanted to ask you..where do you get your data/information/stats for the content in your posts, tbh?..

[m>s]

almost forgot how cool this shtick was.
almost forgot how much of a shithole of a city houston is

oh wait no i didnt

[sook]

almost forgot how much of a shithole of a city houston is

oh wait no i didnt

that took a lot of effort. Lets see that community college brain serve up another one.

[sook]

truth though, the walmarts in Dallas are better. Makes for a better work environment for you and Jacob. Be well

[m>s]

YOUR DAILY REMINDER THAT THE FLOOD WILL COME, THE SIGNS HAVE BEGUN

/POL/ IS ALWAYS RIGHT

>ARRESTED GOLDEN DAWN MP'S ARE 'AS POPULAR AS EVER', MINISTER DENDIAS CONFIRMS THAT IF PROSPERITY IS NOT RENEWED, GOLDEN DAWN WILL CONTINUE TO INCREASE IN POPULARITY:

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119536/greek-neo-nazi-group-golden-dawn-may-succeed-elections

>NATIONAL FRONT IN FRANCE ENTER FRENCH SENATE FOR THE FIRST TIME:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/28/front-national-wins-seats-french-senate-first-time

>DEUTSCHLAND'S BASED NPD PARTY WORKING WITH UKRAINIAN NATIONALISTS IN THEIR KAMPF:

http://www.worldbulletin.net/haber/143728/german-ukrainian-far-right-extremists-working-together

>'THE UNITED STATES IS ON THE PATH TO NATIONAL SOCIALISM'

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/pat-roberts-socialism-comment-111257.html

/POL/ IS ALWAYS RIGHT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJYYcFnJj7s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JpT1GGM43o&list=UUbM6XD8c3sDDmhsgbxg6lIQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOnfV0-0apE

>LIFE IN THE THIRD REICH: THE CULTURE AND PEOPLE THAT WERE DESTROYED

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SiWi6NLA6E
>SUNDAY IN THE THIRD REICH. WE FOUGHT AND KILLED OUR HONOURABLE AND CULTURED CHRISTIAN BROTHERS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-V7rI8Qw4k

>ADOLF HITLER'S LAST POLITICAL TESTAMENT (MUST WATCH!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VJXlqfiypU

>EX-IRAQI PRESIDENT USES BASED GOLDEN DAWN MILITIAMEN AS PROTECTION AGAINST A COUP

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/10370636/Maliki-clings-to-power-in-Iraq-despite-criticism


THIS IS THE FUTURE YOU CHOSE, THEY WILL RISE ONCE AGAIN. IT IS INSIDE YOUR DEMOCRACY.

>FUHRER TALKS ABOUT CHARITY AND COMMUNITY SPIRIT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8bSZSHb88

>FUHRER TALKS ABOUT NATIONAL SOCIALISM IN VARIOUS SPEECHES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnpTWKKWQ1o

[m>s]

>FUHRER CONDEMNS THE OCCUPATION OF PALESTINE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nq2uQQbEg4 [Embed]

>FUHRER HONOURS THE OTHER EUROPEAN MEMBERS OF HIS WAFFEN S.S FIGHTING OFF THE RED HOARDES

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_363msEB2ik

>THE FUHRER 'A MAN AGAINST TIME' TALKS ABOUT THE PERILS AND STRUGGLES OF HIS TIME:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kZOL7wQjfc

>ANTI- SEMITISM RISING ACROSS EUROPE 'WORSE TIMES SINCE THE NAZIS' ZIONISTS ENCOURAGE FEAR AMONGST EUROPEAN JEWS, IN THE HOPE THEY FLEE TO ISRAEL.


http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/07/antisemitism-rise-europe-worst-since-nazis

>'WHY GREECE IS THE MOST ANTI-SEMITIC COUNTRY IN EUROPE'

http://www.jta.org/2014/05/20/news-opinion/world/why-is-greece-the-most-anti-semitic-country-in-europe-2

>GOLDEN DAWN STILL REVEALING MORE POWERLEVEL 'S.S CHANTS, HITLER SALUTES, AND THE HORST WESSEL SONG' AND NOW 'OPENLY NAZI'.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/07/greece-golden-dawn-fascism-threat-to-democracy

>FACISM IS RISING IN EUROPE, AND IVAN IS NOT HAPPY ABOUT THE LACK OF AWARENESS TO THIS:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/27/world/europe/established-parties-rocked-by-anti-europe-vote.html

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2014/05/11/3190210/rise-of-neo-fascism-in-parts-of.html

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/05/07/361655/europe-ignoring-rise-of-fascism-russia/

>POLICE AND ANTI-FA GROUPS CAUSE THE RISE OF GOLDEN DAWN BY PERESCUTING THEM WITH VIOLENCE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfUolJ3MVpI

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24780379

>GOLDEN DAWN MPs HAND OUT FOOD TO STARVING GREEKS IN ATHENS AND GET ARRESTED AND BEATEN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMOnuD0SQJs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VnRbnvvsV8

BY MISREMEMBERING HISTORY, YOU MISREMEMBER THE REASONS FOR NATIONAL SOCIALISM EXISTING, AND THE POLITICAL CONDITIONS BY WHICH IT ARISES. YOU COULD NEVER HAVE STOPPED THIS.


THE FLOOD WILL COME AGAIN, BUMP THIS THREAD WITH PICTURES OF NATIONAL SOCIALISTS.

[m>s]

>BASED DAVID IRVING'S INTERNATIONALLY ACCLAIMED 'HITLER'S WAR', NECESSARY READING IN SANDHURST OFFICER TRAINING.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Hitler/2001/HW_Web_dl.pdf

>GOEBELLS DIARY, HELD IN PREVIOUSLY SEALED SOVIET ARCHIVE:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Goebbels/Goebbels.pdf

>IRVING'S GOERING BIOGRAPHY (THE MOST ACCLAIMED WORK THUS FAR):
http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Goering/Goering_2010.pdf

THESE BOOKS ARE FREE DUE TO BASED IRVING BEING PUSHED OUT OF PRINT BY AN INTERNATIONAL CLIQUE OF INTERESTS AGAINST HIM, IF YOU READ AND ENJOY HIS WORK, SEND HIM MONEY TO HELP HIM WITH THIS TROUBLE HE HAS INHERITED FOR BRINGING US THE TRUTH. DO NOT LET SHILLS SLOW THE DISCUSSION DOWN, ONLY ACCEPT CRITICISMS AND DISCUSSION OF BASED IRVING'S SOURCES AND TRANSLATIONS, NOT HIS PERSONAL LIFE.

>DO NOT REPLY TO SJW'S, SHILLS, JIDF, NEWFAGS WHO PROVIDE NO INPUT TO ANY OF THE MATERIAL POSTED IN THIS THREAD.

>GENERIC 'YOU GUYS LOST YOU SUCK' OR 'GENOCIDAL MANIACS' WITHOUT ANY CONSIDERATION OR ENGAGEMENT OF THE MATERIAL HERE IS TO BE IGNORED.

DISCUSS THE MATERIAL IN THE THREAD AND STICK TO THE CONTEXT!

[Gummi Clutch]

:lol Both cities are shitty tbh but lol at their treadmill jobs, hafta feel sorry for them at this point. One is a fatass burn out, the other is your night stocker at target pretending to be a Nazi afterwards. Isn't the club for this shit?

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--pX0aBt-f--/18k2qaf0q3rdkjpg.jpg

[m>s]

>VIDEO OF 1938 GERMANY (THE GHOSTS OF WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN) MUTE SOUND:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXbVHQemi80

PLAY THIS VIDEO'S AUDIO ALONGSIDE THE VIDEO ABOVE ON REPEAT:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhgRuePDCR (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhgRuePDCR4)

[m>s]

>FEEL THE POWER

http://trutube.tv/video/22595/Hitler-Feel-the-Power

>ACCURATE SPEECH TRANSLATION : 'THIS IS NATIONAL SOCIALISM'.

http://trutube.tv/video/3033/Hitler-Speeches-with-accurate-English-subtitles

>DIE FLUT KOMMT

http://trutube.tv/video/1117/Die-Flut-Kommt-

>THE FEAR OF THE FLOOD RISING

http://trutube.tv/video/22327/Adolf-Hitler-Ich-Will-

> 'HITLER'S WAR, WHAT THE HISTORIANS NEGLECT TO MENTION

http://trutube.tv/video/1019/Hitlers-War-What-the-Historians-Neglect-to-Mention

>MARK WEBER ON THE 'REAL ADOLF HITLER'

http://trutube.tv/video/1203/The-REAL-Adolf-Hitler-Mark-Weber-

>GREATEST STORY NEVER TOLD FULL

http://trutube.tv/video/1229/The-Greatest-Story-NEVER-Told-Full

www.greateststorynevertold.tv (http://www.greateststorynevertold.tv/)

>MEIN KAMPF QUOTES, VERY POWERFUL

http://trutube.tv/video/5742/Adolf-Hitler-Tribute-Powerful-Quotes-From-Mein-Kampf-My-Struggle

>TRIBUTE TO THE FUHRER

http://trutube.tv/video/7126/Tribute-to-Adolf-Hitler

>THE REAL MAN OF STEEL

http://trutube.tv/video/24846/Adolf-Hitler-Man-of-Steel

[100%duncan]

Is this the most boring schtick?

[m>s]

BASED READING LIST:

>CONJURING HITLER: HOW BRITAIN AND AMERICA MADE THE THIRD REICH - G.G PERPARATA (2005)

http://nazbol.net/library/authors/Guido%20Preparata/Conjuring%20Hitler%20-%20How%20Britain%20and%20America%20made%20the%20Th ird%20Reich.pdf

>HITLER'S REVOLUTION - R.TEDOR (2013)

>HITLER : BEYOND EVIL AND TYRANNY R.H.S STOLFI (2011)

>THE MYTH OF GERMAN VILLAINY, B.L BRADBERRY (2012)

>HITLER DEMOCRAT, L.DEGRELLE (2012)

>HESS, HITLER, AND CHURCHILL: THE REAL TURNING POINT OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR, P.PADFIELD (2013)

>GERMANY'S HITLER, H.M.HEINZ (2004).

READ ALL OF THESE BOOKS, THEY CONTAIN MUCH INSIGHT INTO THE SOURCES THAT ARE NOT PRESENT IN OTHER WORKS, AND REPRESENT HOW MUCH THE NSDAP AND ANYTHING IT TOUCHED WAS DEMONIZED POST WW2.

THESE BOOKS ALSO CONTAIN IMPORTANT INSIGHT WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE TIME.

ALL INVALUABLE WORKS TO READ AND GAIN A TRUE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.

[midnightpulp]

Is this the most boring schtick?

M>S used to have inspired creativity before he found 4chan. Now he just sadly regurgitates memes from there, which aren't all that funny or interesting outside the board's culture.

That's why it's best not to spend too much time on 4chan. It makes you stupid.

[m>s]

Is this the most boring schtick?
good luck becoming part of china once ww3 kicks off

[m>s]

M>S used to have inspired creativity before he found 4chan. Now he just sadly regurgitates memes from there, which aren't all that funny or interesting outside the board's culture.

That's why it's best not to spend too much time on 4chan. It makes you stupid.

but if /pol/ is always right though that must mean you're wrong

[Silver&Black]

Germany is still looking for that first "W".....kinda like the 76ers.

[m>s]

if every country were to adopt national socialism we'd see REAL peace and prosperity

>ethnically homogenous nations means that no one is ever oppressed or discriminated against
>every people working for the betterment of their own country
>nationalism ensures that all peoples and cultures will still be around 100 years from now to be celebrated and appreciated, TRUE diversity
>less war because no international bankers with total control over a country and their military to start financially driven wars

why aren't you all national socialists yet?

[m>s]

Germany is still looking for that first "W".....kinda like the 76ers.

germany won because nationalism still lives on in our hearts and we can see today that the Fuhrer was right

[midnightpulp]

but if /pol/ is always right though that must mean you're wrong

That board is just trolls trolling trolls, and it's amateur trolling at that. Teenagers trying to out shock each other with trolling tactics that are more worn out than Kobe's jumpshot.

You're better than that.

[m>s]

daily reminder that the USA illegally overthrew the elected government of the ukraine with CIA psyops and put in a corrupt regime that is currently murdering it's own people with US weapons. i want to shank poroshenko right in the gooch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyTjMAfrZSM

[Splits]

if every country were to adopt national socialism we'd see REAL peace and prosperity

>ethnically homogenous nations means that no one is ever oppressed or discriminated against
>every people working for the betterment of their own country
>nationalism ensures that all peoples and cultures will still be around 100 years from now to be celebrated and appreciated, TRUE diversity
>less war because no international bankers with total control over a country and their military to start financially driven wars

why aren't you all national socialists yet?

http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/world_news/2012/04/norwegian_mass_killer_anders_behring_breivik_1_2_3 _4_N2.jpg

:cry Anders Behring Breivik :cry

[m>s]

That board is just trolls trolling trolls, and it's amateur trolling at that. Teenagers trying to out shock each other with trolling tactics that are more worn out than Kobe's jumpshot.

You're better than that.
it's more like nationalists gathering to discuss politics and current events interrupted by massive shilling by the JIDF and other government groups. /pol/ has done more to shape public opinion and has made the national and international news more times than you will ever realize.

[m>s]

http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/world_news/2012/04/norwegian_mass_killer_anders_behring_breivik_1_2_3 _4_N2.jpg

:cry Anders Behring Breivik :cry


heil Breivik!!!!! dude is a hero

[m>s]

hey splits by any chance have you ever reid breiviks manifesto? dude is brilliant

[lefty]

:lol reported to Anon

[m>s]

:lol reported to Anon
anon only went after those guys because they directly interfered with the protests, they are not your personal army. do you not believe in free speech? good goy

[lefty]

anon only went after those guys because they directly interfered with the protests, they are not your personal army. do you not believe in free speech? good goy
:lol confusing free speech and freedom

[Splits]

hey splits by any chance have you ever reid breiviks manifesto? dude is brilliant

I actually read the whole thing. Can't deny he's smart, but also disagreed with every one of his political positions and think he's a sick fuck.

[midnightpulp]

if every country were to adopt national socialism we'd see REAL peace and prosperity

>ethnically homogenous nations means that no one is ever oppressed or discriminated against
>every people working for the betterment of their own country
>nationalism ensures that all peoples and cultures will still be around 100 years from now to be celebrated and appreciated, TRUE diversity
>less war because no international bankers with total control over a country and their military to start financially driven wars

why aren't you all national socialists yet?

I agree with cultural homogeneity, mainly with regard to language and provided they (LEGAL immigrants) put their adopted country over their "old country." I like "innocent" multiculturalism in the form of immigrants sharing their old world customs (food, music, fashion, etc) with their new country. What I don't like is when immigrants appear to be unwilling to learn the language and treat their adopted country like a place of employment. That's typically the catalyst of cultural strife. I don't care what "race" you are. A Swede clicking away at me in his native language is just as annoying as Mexican doing the same.

[lefty]

Well Americans dont speak American, they speak English


So fuck your language clown!


Murica was founded because of business, not because of the realisation of some so called Murican identity

:lol fake patriotism
:lol "Murica fuck yeah"

[m>s]

What I don't like is when immigrants appear to be unwilling to learn the language and treat their adopted country like a place of employment. That's typically the catalyst of cultural strife.
yeah but you're always going to get this whether desired or not. one could argue that immigration is fine for a country like the US but not in ancestral homelands, one doesn't have the right to be a guest in your own home just because they wish. there is really no such thing as an "american" race but i'll say you can stick a chinaman in sweden and he still isn't a swede, he's a chinaman in sweden and will never be swedish. your way does not appreciate true diversity because it leads to the destruction of races and cultures. a people is race + culture.

[Gummi Clutch]

can you imagine anon posting m>s private life :lmao

[lefty]

can you imagine anon posting m>s private life :lmao
Well they have the link to his profile and are looking at his posts

[Gummi Clutch]

Well they have the link to his profile and are looking at his posts
"local stocker at HEB spends his nights wisely on a spurs forum"

[lefty]

"local stocker at HEB spends his nights wisely on a spurs forum"
"working overtime so he can save money and buy a purse for his wife while her pussy is getting plowed by a Big Black Clock"

[midnightpulp]

heil Breivik!!!!! dude is a hero

He supports Israel.

His position is also hilariously myopic. He's a Christian Crusader, against European cultural genocide and fighting for a European "monoculture," meaning he desires to restore Europe to its "Christian" roots, when it fact Northern Europe was already culturally genocided a long time ago when the Romans converted most of Northern Europe to Christianity at the point of their gladius.

Europe's been through more cultural transformations than a post-op transsexual. There's no such thing as a "host" European cultural. It's a mongrel of continent.

[HI-FI]

Well they have the link to his profile and are looking at his posts
did you just snitch on him or something?

[lefty]

did you just snitch on him or something?
Not just me

[Splits]

I agree with cultural homogeneity, mainly with regard to language and provided they (LEGAL immigrants) put their adopted country over their "old country." I like "innocent" multiculturalism in the form of immigrants sharing their old world customs (food, music, fashion, etc) with their new country. What I don't like is when immigrants appear to be unwilling to learn the language and treat their adopted country like a place of employment. That's typically the catalyst of cultural strife. I don't care what "race" you are. A Swede clicking away at me in his native language is just as annoying as Mexican doing the same.

Damn Mid, stick to clowning the Lakers instead of clowning yourself. So much stoopid in this post

[Gummi Clutch]

"working overtime so he can save money and buy a purse for his wife while her pussy is getting plowed by a Big Black Clock"
The origin of the black hate :lmao

[m>s]

He supports Israel.

His position is also hilariously myopic. He's a Christian Crusader, against European cultural genocide and fighting for a European "monoculture," meaning he desires to restore Europe to its "Christian" roots, when it fact Northern Europe was already culturally genocided a long time ago when the Romans converted most of Northern Europe to Christianity at the point of their gladius.

Europe's been through more cultural transformations than a post-op transsexual. There's no such thing as a "host" European cultural. It's a mongrel of continent.
I also support israel

[lefty]

The origin of the black hate :lmao
Frustration leads one little redneck to do crazy shit

Joker wasnt kidding with his One Bad Day theory

[illusioNtEk]

kinda suprised m>s was a troll.....

what a shame

[midnightpulp]

yeah but you're always going to get this whether desired or not. one could argue that immigration is fine for a country like the US but not in ancestral homelands, one doesn't have the right to be a guest in your own home just because they wish. there is really no such thing as an "american" race but i'll say you can stick a chinaman in sweden and he still isn't a swede, he's a chinaman in sweden and will never be swedish. your way does not appreciate true diversity because it leads to the destruction of races and cultures. a people is race + culture.

That's already happened more times throughout history than we can count. The Germanic Tribes and their pagan/barbarian "culture" were pretty much destroyed/overtaken by the Romans.

In fact, modern European "culture" is basically Greek/Roman in origin. The Romans colonized Northern Europe much like the Europeans colonized North America, nearly eliminating all traces of the original inhabitants (pagans in the former case, Native Americans in the latter).

There's no such thing as a "pure" culture/race. It's all been mongrelized thousands of years ago.

[Gummi Clutch]

I also support israel
Youre all over the place now breh, or did you just chicken shit because of Lefty's threat? :lol

[lefty]

Youre all over the place now breh, or did you just chicken shit because of Lefty's threat? :lol
Anon hates Israel, so he is fucked anyway

[Splits]

I also support israel

Of course you do, the most rascist and murderous country on the planet

[DMC]

Hitler literally did nothing wrong and Europe will rise again


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFI6t960ty4

Do you think they re-sign him though?

[m>s]

That's already happened more times throughout history than we can count. The Germanic Tribes and their pagan/barbarian "culture" were pretty much destroyed/overtaken by the Romans.

In fact, modern European "culture" is basically Greek/Roman in origin. The Romans colonized Northern Europe much like the Europeans colonized North America, nearly eliminating all traces of the original inhabitants (pagans in the former case, Native Americans in the latter).

There's no such thing as a "pure" culture/race. It's all been mongrelized thousands of years ago.


It it was actually the germans who took down the roman empire, and the natives were eliminated because might makes right. Just because other races have been completely genocided in the past does not mean I'm going to sit by and let it happen to mine.

[m>s]

Youre all over the place now breh, or did you just chicken shit because of Lefty's threat? :lol
I'm a nationalist, think about it its not hard. I don't always agree with them but I agree with their right to exist.

[m>s]

Do you think they re-sign him though?
I wish they could comrade, that man loved his people

[midnightpulp]

Damn Mid, stick to clowning the Lakers instead of clowning yourself. So much stoopid in this post

Care to rebut?

Why is it "stoopid" for me to want an immigrant to learn the native language?

Why is it "stoopid" for me to want an immigrant/descendant to actually care about his adopted country rather than treat it like a place of employment?

Why is it "stoopid" for me to not want that immigrant/descendant to wave their flag over the flag of their adopted country?

[HI-FI]

Not just me
smh. m>s private info has already been posted on here, why is everybody so interested in outing each other. i must be one of the few who doesn't believe in snitching or going after personal info.

[DMC]

Hey man, I've always wanted to ask you..where do you get your data/information/stats for the content in your posts, tbh?..

He stopped talking a lot after I trolled him into posting pics of himself in his premanufactured home bathroom mirror with the toothpaste corrosion at the bottom. Just saying.

[lefty]

http://www.sport24.gr/football/England/article2943239.ece/BINARY/original/erw.jpg
http://www.sport24.gr/football/England/article2943240.ece/BINARY/original/erw2.jpg
http://www.sport24.gr/football/England/article2943242.ece/BINARY/original/erw3.jpg
http://www.sport24.gr/football/England/article2943243.ece/BINARY/original/erw4.jpg

[m>s]

smh. m>s private info has already been posted on here, why is everybody so interested in outing each other. i must be one of the few who doesn't believe in snitching or going after personal info.
Well it actually wasn't, kori of al people wouldn't doxx a poster but yeah that's the type of underhanded stuff people do when they get outwitted intellectually and can't actusl argue against what the other person is saying.

[DMC]

Care to rebut?

Why is it "stoopid" for me to want an immigrant to learn the native language?

Why is it "stoopid" for me to want an immigrant/descendant to actually care about his adopted country rather than treat it like a place of employment?

Why is it "stoopid" for me to not want that immigrant/descendant wave their flag over the flag of their adopted country?

Just as a point-counter point style retort: Which native American language do you speak?

[Dex]

Nazis suck.

Couldn't even take over Russia. Fucking losers.

[m>s]

Nazis suck.

Couldn't even take over Russia. Fucking losers.
Not while fighting every major power at once no, but they came closer than anyone ever has to beating Russia alone while also fighting France, the UK, Poland, all of britains colonies, etc. the only thing that stopped them was Italy's incompetence delaying the Barbarossa for 6 weeks plus an early winter.

Just think they beat russia no Cold War, no spread of communism to Asia, and death of millions of innocent people

[midnightpulp]

It it was actually the germans who took down the roman empire, and the natives were eliminated because might makes right. Just because other races have been completely genocided in the past does not mean I'm going to sit by and let it happen to mine.

Yes, but they did so in a similar way that the Mexicans are doing so in the US. Wanting to enjoy the luxury of Roman civilization, they pretty much flooded Rome en masse. And when Rome finally collapsed, they assumed control. Fully Christianized by that point, they eventually created the Holy Roman Empire.

My point with this is that the "master race" Germans were once the subhuman, the proverbial "shitskin," and were looked at as filth by the more advanced and civilized Romans. The Germans grew to appreciate Roman civilization and basically turned into a version of them (Holy Roman Empire). They forsook their "host" culture in favor of something that wasn't theirs. If Germans really want a return to "purity," they should return to a simple, nomadic, barbaric life. What Germans want to return to is Roman in origin. That's why this talk of "preserving our culture" makes little sense to me, since it's not even German to begin with.

That's why I stress to you not to be so myopic and bigoted toward peoples who are developing right now. Pretty much every race/culture on Earth had to evolve, and every race/culture were once considered subhuman.

Also, the HRE was just as diverse ethnically and culturally as the United States.

Could very well be considered the first "multicultural civilization."

[midnightpulp]

Just as a point-counter point style retort: Which native American language do you speak?

But it's not theirs anymore.

[Biernutz]

Germany is 0-2 on 20th Century world wars.
Germany is #1 in freaky sex strange sex. Is this a result of Hitlers Nazis?
Germany --two girls, one cup.......

[DMC]

But it's not theirs anymore.
It's always theirs, they have reservations.

I take your answer to mean "none". English might be the common language, but it's hardly the native language. Named after an Italian map maker (or his apprentice), discovered by Spanish explorers, and before that likely the Vikings and before them like the tribal people who came across up North, this continent certainly isn't England.

[midnightpulp]

It's always their's, they have reservations.

And Casinos.

[DMC]

And Casinos.
And beads.

I would have to agree that, if you're going to pull up roots and move to another land, you probably need to learn to speak the common tongue, however maybe not. If they can exist without it, why should they? I wouldn't know how to speak Spanish if no one here spoke it.

[midnightpulp]

And beads.

I would have to agree that, if you're going to pull up roots and move to another land, you probably need to learn to speak the common tongue, however maybe not. If they can exist without it, why should they? I wouldn't know how to speak Spanish if no one here spoke it.

Well yeah, because if you live in the Southwest, having Spanish as a second language is pretty much a necessity, so there's no pressure on them to learn, since there will always be someone they can communicate with.

I don't feel I should be required to learn a second language in a country that has had English as its official language since its foundation.

It's funny, too. Someone like Splits would decry an American who lived in France and had "the audacity" to expect everyone to speak English, but it's "stoopid" to expect the French (or any other) immigrant to learn English out of the same courtesy.

[unleashbaynes]

M>S used to have inspired creativity before he found 4chan. Now he just sadly regurgitates memes from there, which aren't all that funny or interesting outside the board's culture.

That's why it's best not to spend too much time on 4chan. It makes you stupid.

mfw

telling a story using > bullet points

lots of nazi memes


so cool!

[Splits]

Why is it "stoopid" for me to want an immigrant to learn the native language?



Why the fuck is it your business what language other people speak? How does that affect you? Have you ever lived in another country? Do you know how hard it is to "learn a language" if you haven't been educated in primary school to speak multiple languages? You don't just pick up a book or go to a couple of classes and magically speak another language.


One of the last distiguishing features the US possesses is the fact that we are a nation of immigrants. Nobody of European decent that lives here is actually from here. We're the only melting pot in the world that brings different races and cultures together. This country was literally built by immigrants. It's one of the only reasons to be proud of this country, and you want to destroy that honor by putting some arbitrary language requirement on today's immigrants? Should they learn it before or after they immigrate? If after, how many years? Should we have an immigration police visiting people's homes and figuring out how far along they are on the "learn english" timeline? This is fucking stupid. stoopid.


My great-grandparents on my mother's side spoke German and not a lick of English. On my father's side they spoke Italian and no English. Sure, their kids (my parents) learned the language, and so did their kids and their kids, but why is it so important to you that today's 1st generation immigrants speak your language?




Why is it "stoopid" for me to want an immigrant/descendant to actually care about his adopted country rather than treat it like a place of employment?



Do you understand the difference between an immigrant and someone who tries to become a citizen? Many many people move here for reasons outside of their own volition. We live in an internationalized economy, global businesses ask their employees to perform overseas duties for pre-defined durations. Yet you think any "foreigner" who obtains the necessary work permits to live here should pledge allegiance to a foreign country? Or do you view "immigration" as "brown people hopping the Rio Grande" and generalize the immigrant population?






Why is it "stoopid" for me to not want that immigrant/descendant to wave their flag over the flag of their adopted country?


Again, do you understand what an immigrant is vs. someone applying for citizenship? Nationalism is one of the most dangerous concepts aside from religion in the history of civilization, which you so like to espouse your knowledge about re: ancient rome. There is no legal basis for an immigrant to the US to learn the language or espouse allegiance, and rightfully so. Do you propose establishing these requirements on American immigrants? Did you know that until 1920, there was no such thing as an "illegal" immigrant, that anyone could move to the US without question of their allegiance?

I'm an American citizen, I've obtained work permits in Belgium, Switzerland, and Italy and lived and worked in those countries on and off over the last 10 years. I speak some of their 4 languages (German, French, Flemish, Italian) in varying degrees, from fluent to taxi/restaurant. I've never applied for citizenship. But by your prescription I should have never been allowed to seek work and live a normal life in those places unless I learn their languages fluently and pledge allegiance to their flags.


Get the fuck out of here. That's why I called you "stoopid". Don't try to preach the life of an expat unless you've lived it. Stick to clowning the Lakers.

[baseline bum]

Hitler literally did nothing wrong and Europe will rise again

I'd say going after Great Brittian was wrong when he could have gone straight into the Soviet Union and fought a war on one front instead of two.

[m>s]

I'd say going after Great Brittian was wrong when he could have gone straight into the Soviet Union and fought a war on one front instead of two.
Great Britain declared war before Barbarossa..

[midnightpulp]

Why the fuck is it your business what language other people speak? How does that affect you? Have you ever lived in another country? Do you know how hard it is to "learn a language" if you haven't been educated in primary school to speak multiple languages? You don't just pick up a book or go to a couple of classes and magically speak another language.

It's my business every time I have to wait in line an extra 5 to 20 minutes for the cashier/clerk, etc to slowly explain something to a non-English speaking resident, of which there are many here in sunny Southern California. I'm lucky these days if I can get out of the post office or bank in under 20 fuckin' minutes. I hope you can extrapolate the lost productivity in the workplace because of that. This is also demanding that workers learn another language (let's not beat around the bush, we're talking about Spanish) or be multilingual just to effectively communicate with their customers.

Do you know how hard it is to "learn a language"

And this is exactly my point. Why should I have to be the one to go through that difficulty when I'm not the guest/immigrant?


One of the last distiguishing features the US possesses is the fact that we are a nation of immigrants. Nobody of European decent that lives here is actually from here. We're the only melting pot in the world that brings different races and cultures together. This country was literally built by immigrants. It's one of the only reasons to be proud of this country, and you want to destroy that honor by putting some arbitrary language requirement on today's immigrants? Should they learn it before or after they immigrate? If after, how many years? Should we have an immigration police visiting people's homes and figuring out how far along they are on the "learn english" timeline? This is fucking stupid. stoopid.


You're romanticizing our immigration history. In our ""Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" days, when immigration started to approach unsustainable levels as related to our economy/infrastructure, the US did impose limits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Quota_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

And until 1964, immigrants from Mexico didn't have a defacto open border into the United States. Now that they do (from 00-10, the Hispanic population grew at a 4 to 1 rate compared to the overall country's), they're flooding into the country at an alarming rate. You'll probably cry "racist, we're a country of immigrants!" but my concern has nothing to do with their skin color or cultural mores, and everything to do with the sheer numbers they're immigrating at. If you don't see how this is a problem in a country that already has 320 million people and a fragile economy, I don't know what to say to you. In California, 1 out of 3 students attend an overcrowded school and most of those students are Latino. Hospitals and emergency rooms are overcrowded (http://californiawatch.org/dailyreport/minorities-hit-hardest-hospital-overcrowding-study-finds-17435). And they're the largest receivers of government aid (http://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011).


My great-grandparents on my mother's side spoke German and not a lick of English. On my father's side they spoke Italian and no English. Sure, their kids (my parents) learned the language, and so did their kids and their kids, but why is it so important to you that today's 1st generation immigrants speak your language?

See the reasons above. Also, you can't compare the society and economy of 1900s America to today. The population was 250 million lower, the US wasn't primarily a service sector economy like it is today (meaning most immigrants back then were laborers, factory workers, or lived a self sustained rural farm life that didn't necessarily require them to be capable English speakers). You're whole argument is based on an ideal ("Give us your poor...") that may have been possible to realize when the United States had under 100 million people, an industrialized economy, and a wide open West, but that is no longer reality.



Do you understand the difference between an immigrant and someone who tries to become a citizen? Many many people move here for reasons outside of their own volition. We live in an internationalized economy, global businesses ask their employees to perform overseas duties for pre-defined durations. Yet you think any "foreigner" who obtains the necessary work permits to live here should pledge allegiance to a foreign country? Or do you view "immigration" as "brown people hopping the Rio Grande" and generalize the immigrant population?


I think I've made the delineation clear. Those immigrants and guest workers (ex. our very own Brazil) you speak of are often: educated, skilled, and multilingual, qualities they possess before they emigrate.

No, I don't think they should "pledge allegiance," and never even suggested such. I would just like to see some courtesy and manners. If I was a guest worker in England, I wouldn't boorishly celebrate the 4th of July on my front lawn while screaming, "Murica, Fuck Yeah!" And yes, I support a Mexican's right to walk through the streets waving his Mexican flag and yelling, "Viva La Raza." That doesn't mean I have to celebrate it as a shining example of "diversity" and not acknowledge that person as someone who doesn't really appreciate the country he is living and working in.



Again, do you understand what an immigrant is vs. someone applying for citizenship? Nationalism is one of the most dangerous concepts aside from religion in the history of civilization, which you so like to espouse your knowledge about re: ancient rome. There is no legal basis for an immigrant to the US to learn the language or espouse allegiance, and rightfully so. Do you propose establishing these requirements on American immigrants? Did you know that until 1920, there was no such thing as an "illegal" immigrant, that anyone could move to the US without question of their allegiance?


And that was reformed.

If what you think I'm espousing is Nationalism, you need to get more familiar with the concept.


I'm an American citizen, I've obtained work permits in Belgium, Switzerland, and Italy and lived and worked in those countries on and off over the last 10 years. I speak some of their 4 languages (German, French, Flemish, Italian) in varying degrees, from fluent to taxi/restaurant. I've never applied for citizenship. But by your prescription I should have never been allowed to seek work and live a normal life in those places unless I learn their languages fluently and pledge allegiance to their flags.


Get the fuck out of here. That's why I called you "stoopid". Don't try to preach the life of an expat unless you've lived it. Stick to clowning the Lakers.

That's great, but it's a false equivalency. Your experience as an American Expat in Europe is irrelevant to the United States' current immigrant situation.

[DMC]

You do realize sunny Southern Cal is formerly Northern Mexico, right? San Andreas, Los Angeles, San Mateo, San Diego, San Francisco, Baja, damn near all of California is Mexican/Spanish by nature.

[midnightpulp]

You do realize sunny Southern Cal is formerly Northern Mexico, right?

Sure. And before that, it belonged to a variety of Native American tribes.

I know you're being cheeky, but it always amuses me when militant Mexicans start with, "This is our land!" rhetoric. As if they have some moral claim to land that was taken from the Natives by their Spanish ancestors (who did all sorts of fun things to the natives: torture, forced them into work camps, biological warfare, etc).

[Splits]

Well done, refusing to answer the most potent questions I posed and cherrypicking. I'll do the same.




If what you think I'm espousing is Nationalism, you need to get more familiar with the concept.


So requiring immigrants to "wave" the American flag as a requirement for entry. That's not Nationalism? Do they have to chant U-S-A in our dialect or theirs? :lmao




That's great, but it's a false equivalency. Your experience as an American Expat in Europe is irrelevant to the United States' current immigrant situation.

:lmao no it is not, it is the same exact shit. I have to deal with zealots, nationalists, and :cry we're the greatest country in the world :cry people everywhere I live and the flag-waving-get-out-of-my-country loser you've shown yourself to be is always the most annoying and incoherent. We have treaties with almost every other industrialized country to allow our citizens to work in their country and theirs to work in ours without these ridiculous requirements you want to impose.

[Splits]

Sure. And before that, it belonged to a variety of Native American tribes.

I know you're being cheeky, but it always amuses me when militant Mexicans start with, "This is our land!" rhetoric. As if they have some moral claim to land that was taken from the Natives by their Spanish ancestors (who did all sorts of fun things to the natives: torture, forced them into work camps, biological warfare, etc).

:lol "militant mexicans" while America bombs the shit out of 14 middle eastern countries in 20 years yet we are "promoting peace"

[DMC]

Sure. And before that, it belonged to a variety of Native American tribes.

I know you're being cheeky, but it always amuses me when militant Mexicans start with, "This is our land!" rhetoric. As if they have some moral claim to land that was taken from the Natives by their Spanish ancestors (who did all sorts of fun things to the natives: torture, forced them into work camps, biological warfare, etc).

Their ancestors were natives themselves until the Conquistadors came along with their salty penne.

[Splits]

I would just like to see some courtesy and manners.

:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry

FeMLaQTwIgU

:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry

[lefty]

Splits dropping truth nukes :lmao

[midnightpulp]

Well done, refusing to answer the most potent questions I posed and cherrypicking. I'll do the same.




So requiring immigrants to "wave" the American flag is a requirement for entry? That's not Nationalism? Do they have to chant U-S-A in our dialect or theirs? :lmao




:lmao no it is not, it is the same exact shit. I have to deal with zealots, nationalists, and :cry we're the greatest country in the world :cry people everywhere I live and the flag-waving-get-out-of-my-country loser you've shown yourself to be is always the most annoying and incoherent. We have treaties with almost every other industrialized country to allow our citizens to work in their country and theirs to work in ours without these ridiculous requirements you want to impose.

Nice emotional replay :tu

Again, I never said I would require an immigrant to wave the American flag as a requisite for citizenship. I just think it's impolite when a Mexican is flying the Mexican flag in his front yard.


We have treaties with almost every other industrialized country to allow our citizens to work in their country and theirs to work in ours without these ridiculous requirements you want to impose.

But they require that person to have a work visa. How many Mexican immigrants have those?

And I addressed all your points/answered all your questions.

I answered your question of why I think an immigrant should know English.

I've corrected you on your mistaken belief that I think pledging allegiance to the US flag should be a requirement for citizenship.

I've detailed why the immigration situation of the early 1900s can't be compared to today. And also illustrated the strain it is putting on public services (in California)

You, on the other hand, just keep arguing from experience and appealing to emotion. I understand your "compassionate liberal" alarm goes off every time someone displays even a trace of conservatism and you automatically label that personal as a "flag waving loser," but you can at least try to humor me with a somewhat coherent counterargument rather than spouting leftist platitudes ("Nationalism is the most dangerous idea ever!").

[midnightpulp]

:lol "militant mexicans" while America bombs the shit out of 14 middle eastern countries in 20 years yet we are "promoting peace"

What does that have to do with an immigration debate?

[midnightpulp]

:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry

FeMLaQTwIgU

:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry

:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsRemx7ANg4

:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry

[midnightpulp]

Their ancestors were natives themselves until the Conquistadors came along with their salty penne.

Don't think the Aztecs or Mayans were ever natives of California, to my knowledge.

[Splits]

(who did all sorts of fun things to the natives: torture,


http://www.american-pictures.com/gives/Torture-1.jpg




forced them into work camps

http://historymadeeveryday.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/japanese-internment.jpg



biological warfare, etc


http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/articles/images/Hiroshima_Capp.jpg

[midnightpulp]

http://www.american-pictures.com/gives/Torture-1.jpg



http://historymadeeveryday.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/japanese-internment.jpg




http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/articles/images/Hiroshima_Capp.jpg

What's that have to do with a debate on immigration?

[Splits]

What's that have to do with a debate on immigration?

Nothing, but you introduced this wildly (non) compelling argument...


As if they have some moral claim to land that was taken from the Natives by their Spanish ancestors (who did all sorts of fun things to the natives: torture, forced them into work camps, biological warfare, etc).

To which I called you out on your complete nationalistic hypocrisy...



http://www.american-pictures.com/gives/Torture-1.jpg



http://historymadeeveryday.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/japanese-internment.jpg




http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/articles/images/Hiroshima_Capp.jpg

[Splits]

Nice emotional replay :tu

So your academic interpretation of immigration policy trumps my actual living through it on multiple occasions. Got it.




Again, I never said I would require an immigrant to wave the American flag as a requisite for citizenship. I just think it's impolite when a Mexican is flying the Mexican flag in his front yard.


:cry your poor fee fees having to look at a flag that isn't blood red white and blue :cry





But they require that person to have a work visa. How many Mexican immigrants have those?


About 5 million more thanks to Obama's executive action. Considering the Senate passed a bill by an overwhelming 68-32 vote 2 years ago, it should have been 11 million. And your hero Ronny Reagan proudly signed an amnesty bill and treated it as signature legislation saying:


"We have consistently supported a legalization program which is both generous to the alien and fair to the countless thousands of people throughout the world who seek legally to come to America. The legalization provisions in this act will go far to improve the lives of a class of individuals who now must hide in the shadows, without access to many of the benefits of a free and open society. Very soon many of these men and women will be able to step into the sunlight and, ultimately, if they choose, they may become Americans."





And I addressed all your points/answered all your questions.


No you didn't. What about: "It's one of the only reasons to be proud of this country, and you want to destroy that honor by putting some arbitrary language requirement on today's immigrants? Should they learn it before or after they immigrate? If after, how many years? Should we have an immigration police visiting people's homes and figuring out how far along they are on the "learn english" timeline?"



I answered your question of why I think an immigrant should know English.


I missed that one. Was it because you don't like having to repeat yourself at the Wendy's drive thru? Oh yeah, right, you did answer it. Nevermind.



I've corrected you on your mistaken belief that I think pledging allegiance to the US flag should be a requirement for citizenship.


Missed that one as well. Unless you're backtracking and relying on the "'Murica fuck yeah" canard and you're :cry offended :cry by the lack of civility of the Mexican flag



I've detailed why the immigration situation of the early 1900s can't be compared to today. And also illustrated the strain it is putting on public services (in California)


No, you haven't. What has also gone unmentioned is that I, as an American citizen, has to file and pay taxes when I don't live in this country but only because I'm stricken by the fact that I hold a passport. We're the only country in the 1st world that requires our expats to pay taxes for services they don't receive.



You, on the other hand, just keep arguing from experience and appealing to emotion. I understand your "compassionate liberal" alarm goes off every time someone displays even a trace of conservatism and you automatically label that personal as a "flag waving loser," but you can at least try to humor me with a somewhat coherent counterargument rather than spouting leftist platitudes ("Nationalism is the most dangerous idea ever!").

My mistake. Actually living through the international immigration system, relaying those experiences first-hand, and pointing out the facts. That sure constitutes "appealing to emotion" whereas you're the armchair quarterback chickenshit who speaks in tongues without having any actual knowledge for how it works. So sorry I offended your imaginary world.

[midnightpulp]

Nothing, but you introduced this wildly (non) compelling argument...



To which I called you out on your complete nationalistic hypocrisy...

:lol What "nationalistic hypocrisy?"

Because I want stricter immigration laws (which take no mind of race, creed, or culture), I'm a "nationalist?"

Tell me how it's a good thing that (I'll only speak on behalf of California's situation):

- California is projected to hit a population of 60 million people by the middle of the century. This while we're in the middle of one the most severe droughts in the state's history.

- 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

- Immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives, even before the current recession. In 2001, 50 percent of all immigrant households with children used at least one welfare program, compared to 32 percent for natives.

- 1 out of 3 students attend an overcrowded school, most of which are immigrants.

- Social services (namely healthcare) continued to be strained by immigrants. Many hospitals in neighborhoods with large immigrant populations experience overcrowding.

- English as a second language. Forces a sudden change in methodology (e.g., teaching, job training) and infrastructure that many businesses and communities can deal with.

“We have many places that had no immigrant children five, six years ago that now have those children,” said Fran Hoch, section chief for the Department of Public Instruction's English-as-a Second Language program.

The population increase is straining local school systems that are desperate for ESL-certified teachers, materials, and space to accommodate these children. Schools also struggle with a myriad of social problems, placing the heaviest burden on ESL teachers. Compounding the problem, the state has been slow to provide funding. New accountability tests for schools and students may condemn immigrant students to repeat grades or failure. The amount needed to help may reach as high as $80 million statewide."

I can quote more data, but I hope my point is now clear.

I don't think tightening immigration law to address a problematic situation is unreasonable, racist or "nationalistic."

[Splits]

:lol What "nationalistic hypocrisy?"

Because I want stricter immigration laws (which take no mind of race, creed, or culture), I'm a "nationalist?"

Tell me how it's a good thing that (I'll only speak on behalf of California's situation):

- California is projected to hit a population of 60 million people by the middle of the century. This while we're in the middle of one the most severe droughts in the state's history.

- 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

- Immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives, even before the current recession. In 2001, 50 percent of all immigrant households with children used at least one welfare program, compared to 32 percent for natives.

- 1 out of 3 students attend an overcrowded school, most of which are immigrants.

- Social services (namely healthcare) continued to be strained by immigrants. Many hospitals in neighborhoods with large immigrant populations experience overcrowding.

- English as a second language. Forces a sudden change in methodology (e.g., teaching, job training) and infrastructure that many businesses and communities can deal with.

“We have many places that had no immigrant children five, six years ago that now have those children,” said Fran Hoch, section chief for the Department of Public Instruction's English-as-a Second Language program.

The population increase is straining local school systems that are desperate for ESL-certified teachers, materials, and space to accommodate these children. Schools also struggle with a myriad of social problems, placing the heaviest burden on ESL teachers. Compounding the problem, the state has been slow to provide funding. New accountability tests for schools and students may condemn immigrant students to repeat grades or failure. The amount needed to help may reach as high as $80 million statewide."

I can quote more data, but I hope my point is now clear.

I don't think tightening immigration law to address a problematic situation is unreasonable, racist or "nationalistic."

:lmao quoting statistics from a nativist organization
:lmao not even trying to hide the fact that "Numbers USA - for lower immigration levels" is partisan
:lmao hack
:lmao pretending to be affected by some imaginary problem
:lmao nativists

[Splits]

Controversy[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NumbersUSA&action=edit&section=4)]The Southern Poverty Law Center (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center) (SPLC) describes NumbersUSA as part of a network of "anti-immigration" organizations created by Tanton.[17] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NumbersUSA#cite_note-splc_tantonnetwork-17) The Wall Street Journal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Journal) also identifies NumbersUSA as one of a half dozen groups founded or funded by Tanton in order to stop immigration and promote population control (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_control).[18] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NumbersUSA#cite_note-18) In February 2009, NumbersUSA was called a nativist organization by the Southern Poverty Law Center (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center)'s report "The Nativist Lobby",[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NumbersUSA#cite_note-19) though the SPLC also stated that there is no evidence of racism on behalf of Roy Beck or his organization.[20] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NumbersUSA#cite_note-20) NumbersUSA firmly denies having any racist or extremist views.[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NumbersUSA#cite_note-21)

[Splits]

:lol population control
:lol living in the racist hatred ages of the 50's and 60s or before
:lol hates mexicans for no reason other than to be racist
:lol relies on racist propaganda for "facts"
:lol probably is a secret Kirby lover
:lol life totally unaffected by mexicans except he has to repeat his order at taco bell
:lol pretends to understand the difficulties of living across borders
:lol hack
:lol stick to what you do well, kirby bashing and LOLing at Lakersground
:lol don't try to fuck with me
:lol La Raza
:lol living in a bastion immigration state but hates mexicans
:lol should move to Oklahoma or South Dakota or some other racist state
:lol probably denies climate change
:lol GTFO

[Splits]

:lmao All Republican racists who hate Mexicans
:lmao No Democrats
:lmao :cry "I can quote more data" :cry :lmao


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Williams, Roger (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/11599/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 25th) R - TX 93%
Flores, William (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/10944/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 17th) R - TX 92%
Hartzler, Vicky (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/10221/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 4th) R - MO 92%
Woodall, Rob (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/9727/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 7th) R - GA 92%
Calvert, Ken (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/120/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 42nd) R - CA 91%
Campbell, John (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/1201/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 45th) R - CA 91%
Cassidy, Bill (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/1301/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 6th) R - LA 90%
Culberson, John (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/923/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 7th) R - TX 90%
Desjarlais, Scott (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/10918/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 4th) R - TN 90%
Pompeo, Michael (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/9891/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 4th) R - KS 90%
Smith, Lamar (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/799/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 21st) R - TX 90%
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Rigell, Scott (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/11031/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 2nd) R - VA 89%
Schweikert, David (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/9402/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 6th) R - AZ 89%
Stockman, Steve (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/1046/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 36th) R - TX 89%
Lankford, James (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/10752/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 5th) R - OK 88%
Posey, Bill (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/1291/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 8th) R - FL 88%
Rice, Tom (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/11603/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 7th) R - SC 88%
Rohrabacher, Dana (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/124/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 48th) R - CA 88%
Burgess, Michael (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/1131/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 26th) R - TX 87%
Scott, Austin (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/2893/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 8th) R - GA 87%
Bilirakis, Gus (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/1220/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 12th) R - FL 86%
Carter, John (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/1132/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 31st) R - TX 86%
Fincher, Steve (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/10919/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 8th) R - TN 86%
Goodlatte, Robert (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/827/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 6th) R - VA 86%
Roe, Phil (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/1326/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 1st) R - TN 86%
Rogers, Mike (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/1084/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 3rd) R - AL 86%
Salmon, Matt (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/36/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 5th) R - AZ 86%
Sensenbrenner, James (https://www.numbersusa.com/content/my/congress/880/reportcard/CONGRESS/)(Rep. - 5th) R - WI 86%

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Palazzo, Steven(Rep. - 4th) R - MS 85%
Sessions, Pete(Rep. - 32nd) R - TX 85%
Stivers, Steve(Rep. - 15th) R - OH 85%
Weber, Randy(Rep. - 14th) R - TX 85%
Bachmann, Michele(Rep. - 6th) R - MN 84%
Barton, Joe(Rep. - 6th) R - TX 84%
Bishop, Rob(Rep. - 1st) R - UT 84%
Broun, Paul(Rep. - 10th) R - GA 84%
Duffy, Sean(Rep. - 7th) R - WI 84%
Fleischmann, Charles(Rep. - 3rd) R - TN 84%
Foxx, Virginia(Rep. - 5th) R - NC 84%
Gohmert, Louie(Rep. - 1st) R - TX 84%
Harris, Andy(Rep. - 1st) R - MD 84%
LaMalfa, Doug(Rep. - 1st) R - CA 84%
Miller, Jeff(Rep. - 1st) R - FL 84%
Price, Tom(Rep. - 6th) R - GA 84%
Ribble, Reid(Rep. - 8th) R - WI 84%
Rokita, Todd(Rep. - 4th) R - IN 84%
Ryan, Paul(Rep. - 1st) R - WI 84%
Blunt, Roy(Sen.) R - MO 83%
Coats, Daniel(Sen.) R - IN 83%
Cochran, Thad(Sen.) R - MS 83%
Fischer, Deb(Sen.) R - NE 83%
Fleming, John(Rep. - 4th) R - LA 83%
Graves, Tom(Rep. - 14th) R - GA 83%
Harper, Gregg(Rep. - 3rd) R - MS 83%
Inhofe, James(Sen.) R - OK 83%
Johnson, Ron(Sen.) R - WI 83%
McConnell, Mitch(Sen.) R - KY 83%
Moran, Jerry(Sen.) R - KS 83%
Paul, Rand(Sen.) R - KY 83%
Pittenger, Robert(Rep. - 9th) R - NC 83%
Portman, Rob(Sen.) R - OH 83%
Thune, John(Sen.) R - SD 83%
Cotton, Tom(Rep. - 4th) R - AR 82%
Duncan, Jeff(Rep. - 3rd) R - SC 82%
Garrett, Scott(Rep. - 5th) R - NJ 82%
Kelly, Mike(Rep. - 3rd) R - PA 82%
Tiberi, Pat(Rep. - 12th) R - OH 82%
Wenstrup, Brad(Rep. - 2nd) R - OH 82%
Aderholt, Robert(Rep. - 4th) R - AL 81%
Neugebauer, Randy(Rep. - 19th) R - TX 81%
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Collins, Doug(Rep. - 9th) R - GA 80%
Fortenberry, Jeff(Rep. - 1st) R - NE 80%
Mulvaney, Mick(Rep. - 5th) R - SC 80%
Royce, Ed(Rep. - 39th) R - CA 80%
Yoho, Ted(Rep. - 3rd) R - FL 80%
Bridenstine, Jim(Rep. - 1st) R - OK 79%
Cole, Tom(Rep. - 4th) R - OK 79%
Duncan, John(Rep. - 2nd) R - TN 79%
Jolly, David(Rep. - 13th) R - FL 79%
Lamborn, Doug(Rep. - 5th) R - CO 79%
Barrasso, John(Sen.) R - WY 78%
Chaffetz, Jason(Rep. - 3rd) R - UT 78%
Clawson, Curtis(Rep. - 19th) R - FL 78%
Ellmers, Renee(Rep. - 2nd) R - NC 78%
Gibbs, Bob(Rep. - 7th) R - OH 78%
Gowdy, Trey(Rep. - 4th) R - SC 78%
Hensarling, Jeb(Rep. - 5th) R - TX 78%
Hunter, Duncan D.(Rep. - 50th) R - CA 78%
Luetkemeyer, Blaine(Rep. - 3rd) R - MO 78%
McKinley, David(Rep. - 1st) R - WV 78%
Wolf, Frank(Rep. - 10th) R - VA 78%
Johnson, Sam(Rep. - 3rd) R - TX 77%
Walorski, Jackie(Rep. - 2nd) R - IN 77%
Lummis, Cynthia(Rep. - at large) R - WY 75%
Nugent, Richard(Rep. - 11th) R - FL 75%
Perry, Scott(Rep. - 4th) R - PA 75%
Ross, Dennis(Rep. - 15th) R - FL 75%
Smith, Jason(Rep. - 8th) R - MO 75%
Stutzman, Marlin(Rep. - 3rd) R - IN 75%
Chabot, Steve(Rep. - 1st) R - OH 74%
Franks, Trent(Rep. - 8th) R - AZ 74%
McIntyre, Mike(Rep. - 7th) D - NC 74%
Olson, Pete(Rep. - 22nd) R - TX 73%
Byrne, Bradley(Rep. - 1st) R - AL 72%
Lance, Leonard(Rep. - 7th) R - NJ 72%
Boustany, Charles(Rep. - 3rd) R - LA 71%
Collins, Chris(Rep. - 27th) R - NY 71%
Frelinghuysen, Rodney(Rep. - 11th) R - NJ 71%
Gerlach, Jim(Rep. - 6th) R - PA 71%
Hastings, Richard(Rep. - 4th) R - WA 71%
Huelskamp, Tim(Rep. - 1st) R - KS 71%
Joyce, David(Rep. - 14th) R - OH 71%
Latta, Robert E.(Rep. - 5th) R - OH 71%
LoBiondo, Frank(Rep. - 2nd) R - NJ 71%
Massie, Thomas(Rep. - 4th) R - KY 71%
Petri, Tom(Rep. - 6th) R - WI 71%
Rothfus, Keith(Rep. - 12th) R - PA 71%
Smith, Christopher(Rep. - 4th) R - NJ 71%
Southerland, Steve(Rep. - 2nd) R - FL 71%
Wittman, Robert J.(Rep. - 1st) R - VA 71%
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Poe, Ted(Rep. - 2nd) R - TX 70%
Rooney, Tom(Rep. - 17th) R - FL 70%
Cramer, Kevin(Rep. - at large) R - ND 69%
Long, Billy(Rep. - 7th) R - MO 69%
Burr, Richard(Sen.) R - NC 68%
Chambliss, Saxby(Sen.) R - GA 68%
Coburn, Tom(Sen.) R - OK 68%
Isakson, Johnny(Sen.) R - GA 68%
Johanns, Mike(Sen.) R - NE 68%
Toomey, Patrick(Sen.) R - PA 68%
Hall, Ralph(Rep. - 4th) R - TX 67%
Stewart, Chris(Rep. - 2nd) R - UT 66%
C+ (16% of peer group)


Bentivolio, Kerry(Rep. - 11th) R - MI 65%
Johnson, William(Rep. - 6th) R - OH 65%
Pearce, Steve(Rep. - 2nd) R - NM 65%
Issa, Darrell(Rep. - 49th) R - CA 64%
Messer, Luke(Rep. - 6th) R - IN 64%
DeSantis, Ron(Rep. - 6th) R - FL 63%
Marino, Tom(Rep. - 10th) R - PA 63%
Wicker, Roger(Sen.) R - MS 63%
Amash, Justin(Rep. - 3rd) R - MI 62%
Barr, Andy(Rep. - 6th) R - KY 62%
Benishek, Daniel(Rep. - 1st) R - MI 62%
Boehner, John(Rep. - 8th) R - OH 62%
Buchanan, Vern(Rep. - 16th) R - FL 62%
Bucshon, Larry(Rep. - 8th) R - IN 62%
Camp, Dave(Rep. - 4th) R - MI 62%
Capito, Shelley Moore(Rep. - 2nd) R - WV 62%
Cook, Paul(Rep. - 8th) R - CA 62%
Crawford, Rick(Rep. - 1st) R - AR 62%
Crenshaw, Ander(Rep. - 4th) R - FL 62%
Daines, Steve(Rep. - 1st) R - MT 62%
Davis, Rodney(Rep. - 13th) R - IL 62%
Fitzpatrick, Michael(Rep. - 8th) R - PA 62%
Gibson, Christopher(Rep. - 19th) R - NY 62%
Granger, Kay(Rep. - 12th) R - TX 62%
Griffin, Tim(Rep. - 2nd) R - AR 62%
Griffith, H. Morgan(Rep. - 9th) R - VA 62%
Guthrie, Brett(Rep. - 2nd) R - KY 62%
Hanna, Richard(Rep. - 22nd) R - NY 62%
Herrera Beutler, Jaime(Rep. - 3rd) R - WA 62%
Holding, George(Rep. - 13th) R - NC 62%
Huizenga, William(Rep. - 2nd) R - MI 62%
Hurt, Robert(Rep. - 5th) R - VA 62%
Jenkins, Lynn(Rep. - 2nd) R - KS 62%
Kline, John(Rep. - 2nd) R - MN 62%
Labrador, Raul(Rep. - 1st) R - ID 62%
Latham, Tom(Rep. - 3rd) R - IA 62%
Lucas, Frank(Rep. - 3rd) R - OK 62%
McAllister, Vance(Rep. - 5th) R - LA 62%
McCarthy, Kevin(Rep. - 23rd) R - CA 62%
McHenry, Patrick(Rep. - 10th) R - NC 62%
McKeon, Howard(Rep. - 25th) R - CA 62%
McMorris Rodgers, Cathy(Rep. - 5th) R - WA 62%
Mica, John(Rep. - 7th) R - FL 62%
Miller, Gary(Rep. - 31st) R - CA 62%
Mullin, Markwayne(Rep. - 2nd) R - OK 62%
Murphy, Tim(Rep. - 18th) R - PA 62%
Noem, Kristi(Rep. - at large) R - SD 62%
Paulsen, Erik(Rep. - 3rd) R - MN 62%
Pitts, Joseph(Rep. - 16th) R - PA 62%
Reed, Tom(Rep. - 23rd) R - NY 62%
Renacci, James(Rep. - 16th) R - OH 62%
Roby, Martha(Rep. - 2nd) R - AL 62%
Rogers, Mike(Rep. - 8th) R - MI 62%
Rogers, Harold(Rep. - 5th) R - KY 62%
Runyan, Jon(Rep. - 3rd) R - NJ 62%
Sanford, Mark(Rep. - 1st) R - SC 62%
Scalise, Steve(Rep. - 1st) R - LA 62%
Shimkus, John(Rep. - 15th) R - IL 62%
Shuster, Bill(Rep. - 9th) R - PA 62%
Simpson, Mike(Rep. - 2nd) R - ID 62%
Smith, Adrian(Rep. - 3rd) R - NE 62%
Terry, Lee(Rep. - 2nd) R - NE 62%
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Thornberry, Mac(Rep. - 13th) R - TX 62%
Turner, Michael(Rep. - 10th) R - OH 62%
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Walden, Greg(Rep. - 2nd) R - OR 62%
Webster, Daniel(Rep. - 10th) R - FL 62%
Wilson, Joe(Rep. - 2nd) R - SC 62%
Womack, Steve(Rep. - 3rd) R - AR 62%
Young, Todd(Rep. - 9th) R - IN 62%
Farenthold, Blake(Rep. - 27th) R - TX 61%
Coble, Howard(Rep. - 6th) R - NC 60%
Forbes, Randy(Rep. - 4th) R - VA 60%
Jordan, Jim(Rep. - 4th) R - OH 60%
Meadows, Mark(Rep. - 11th) R - NC 60%
Hultgren, Randy(Rep. - 14th) R - IL 57%
Roskam, Peter(Rep. - 6th) R - IL 57%
Schock, Aaron(Rep. - 18th) R - IL 57%
Tipton, Scott(Rep. - 3rd) R - CO 57%
Young, Don(Rep. - at large) R - AK 57%
Whitfield, Edward(Rep. - 1st) R - KY 56%

[midnightpulp]

[QUOTE]So your academic interpretation of immigration policy trumps my actual living through it on multiple occasions. Got it.

Yep. Data trumps an anecdotal "argument from experience" every time.


:cry your poor fee fees having to look at a flag that isn't blood red white and blue :cry

No, I just see as a revealing look into their actual mentality and/or lack of manners. It tells me you're here but would rather be somewhere else. Call it a personal pet peeve, whatever. I know I wouldn't fly the American flag in Germany out of respect for being a guest/immigrant in their country.



About 5 million more thanks to Obama's executive action. Considering the Senate passed a bill by an overwhelming 68-32 vote 2 years ago, it should have been 11 million. And your hero Ronny Reagan proudly signed an amnesty bill and treated it as signature legislation saying:

But it wasn't 11 million.

Reagan isn't my hero, and his plan didn't work out too well (see the statistics I've provided).


No you didn't. What about: It's one of the only reasons to be proud of this country, and you want to destroy that honor by putting some arbitrary language requirement on today's immigrants? Should they learn it before or after they immigrate? If after, how many years? Should we have an immigration police visiting people's homes and figuring out how far along they are on the "learn english" timeline?"


Yes I have. What don't you get about the difference between 90 million and 320 million people, an industrialized/agricultural based economy compared to a service sector based economy, and millions of square miles of uninhabited resource rich land compared to limited land space? If you can't figure it out, the US was a lot more capable of handling a mass influx of immigrants in the 1900s than it is today, a reality you're consciously neglecting in favor of an ideal.

Yes, I think a prospective immigrant should at least be a somewhat capable English speaker before immigrating. And no, I don't believe an "English language police" or other such fascists measures should be implemented. I can put this question back on you and ask, "Why should I (or an American) be the one to have to learn another language to accommodate ESL citizens?" And if you think this doesn't happen, see the scrambling to find educators who can speak Spanish (or train them to) in order to handle the growing immigrant population in schools.


I missed that one. Was it because you don't like having to repeat yourself at the Wendy's drive thru? Oh yeah, right, you did answer it. Nevermind.

I don't. I also don't like when a non-English speaker needs to be assisted with their forms for half-an-hour and other such inconveniences that arise from a person unable to speak this country's host language. You can regale me with tales of grandpappy all you want, but the social and economic reality is very different today, with communication being more important (and needing to be more efficient) than ever.


Missed that one as well. Unless you're backtracking and relying on the "'Murica fuck yeah" canard and you're :cry offended :cry by the lack of civility of the Mexican flag

Not offended. More like annoyed. It's the same thing as you getting annoyed with overt displays of American patriotism because :cry ebil murrica sucks the bloods from dead Palestinian babbys :cry We both have that right to annoyance.



No, you haven't. What has also gone unmentioned is that I, as an American citizen, has to file and pay taxes when I don't live in this country but only because I'm stricken by the fact that I hold a passport. We're the only country in the 1st world that requires our expats to pay taxes for services they don't receive.

And I don't agree that you should pay taxes in that situation.




My mistake. Actually living through the international immigration system, relaying those experiences first-hand, and pointing out the facts. That sure constitutes "appealing to emotion" whereas you're the armchair quarterback chickenshit who speaks in tongues without having any actual knowledge for how it works. So sorry I offended your imaginary world.

I've been the only one backing up my argument with facts, to which you still haven't addressed.

And you're still making a false equivalency. You, presumably being an educated and skilled person, emigrating to Germany or somewhere, is not the same as a 250 Mexicans getting trafficked across the border by Los Zetas. Okay, you have to deal with nationalists. And? Is your (and other skilled immigrants') presence there putting a strain on that country's social services? Is it forcing a transformation of the country's service sector and education system? Is it overcrowding emergency rooms?

Simple question: Why do you support open borders and unfettered immigration?

Because of some ideal that is very, very difficult, if not impossible, to realize?

You're the one living in an imaginary world.

[midnightpulp]

Oh yeah, SPLC is the bastion of impartiality. :lmao


The SPLC has been mum on the issue, despite the fact that in 2000, it included the New Black Panther Party among its annual list of hate groups. In fact, what is most shocking is that the SPLC has spent far more resources hounding conservative organizations, such as the Center for Immigration Studies, and prominent citizens like CNN's award-winning anchor Lou Dobbs, than it has protecting the civil rights of American voters, which includes white people as well as black. The unrelenting attacks on Mr. Dobbs and others are shameless. The once venerable organization wages war against conservative individuals, principles, and organizations. How unfortunate for America. How unfortunate for the organization's founders.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carol-m-swain/mission-creep-and-the-sou_b_255029.html

"Don't try to fuck with me!"

:lol Quotes the Southern Poverty Law Center

"When you can't argue against the data, attack the source."

[Splits]

Oh yeah, SPLC is the bastion of impartiality. :lmao



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carol-m-swain/mission-creep-and-the-sou_b_255029.html

"Don't try to fuck with me!"

:lol Quotes the Southern Poverty Law Center

"When you can't argue against the data, attack the source."

:lmao defending Lou Dobbs

Talk about attacking the source, there are 200+ Repubs and 2 Dems on that list of NumbersUSA A+ to B grades, with Steve King, the nations most prolific racist at the top. :lol

[midnightpulp]

:lol population control
:lol living in the racist hatred ages of the 50's and 60s or before
:lol hates mexicans for no reason other than to be racist
:lol relies on racist propaganda for "facts"
:lol probably is a secret Kirby lover
:lol life totally unaffected by mexicans except he has to repeat his order at taco bell
:lol pretends to understand the difficulties of living across borders
:lol hack
:lol stick to what you do well, kirby bashing and LOLing at Lakersground
:lol don't try to fuck with me
:lol La Raza
living in a bastion immigration state but hates mexicans
should move to Oklahoma or South Dakota or some other racist state
:lol probably denies climate change
:lol GTFO

:lol Thinks 60 million people in one state is a good idea
:lol living in Michael Moore fantasy land
:lol Hates America because :cry Middle East :cry
:lol Relies on far leftist propaganda from an organization that has lost all its respect among academics as a "rebuttal to those facts."
:lol probably a secret kirby lover (see his avatar)
:lol life isn't affected by Mexican immigration but speaks like he has authority on the matter while living in Europe
:lol willing oblivious to the potential problems of open borders because it'll offend his delicate liberal worldview
:lol not even a hack. I don't know if I'm talking to a real human or bot programmed to spout liberal cliches
:lol stick to what you do well: nothing
:lol you've already been fucked with
:lol Palestinian Babies
:lol Wanting tighter immigration means I must hate Mexicans
:lol should move to Sweden or some other leftist haven so he enjoy semen shielding for Somalis and Muslims
:lol I don't deny climate change. I also don't deny that 60 million in one state is probably not a wise idea
:lol GTFO

[Splits]

Yep. Data trumps an anecdotal "argument from experience" every time.

Except when your data is flawed and is provided by partisan, anti-immigrant groups



No, I just see as a revealing look into their actual mentality and/or lack of manners. It tells me you're here but would rather be somewhere else. Call it a personal pet peeve, whatever. I know I wouldn't fly the American flag in Germany out of respect for being a guest/immigrant in their country.


You've obviously never lived overseas. I've lived through plenty of events (World Cup qualifiers for example) where people fly their home flag on their balcony. It's really not a big deal, not sure why your vag gets so irritated by people who don't think the US is the "GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD"



But it wasn't 11 million.
Reagan isn't my hero, and his plan didn't work out too well (see the statistics I've provided).


But it was 5, and Ronny Reagan gave citizenship to the entire undocumented population. But when president Blacky McBlackBlack does it, you somehow have a problem



Yes I have. What don't you get about the difference between 90 million and 320 million people, an industrialized/agricultural based economy compared to a service sector based economy, and millions of square miles of uninhabited resource rich land compared to limited land space? If you can't figure it out, the US was a lot more capable of handling a mass influx of immigrants in the 1900s than it is today, a reality you're consciously neglecting in favor of an ideal.


Immigrants, especially when they're out of the shadows, paying taxes, and working legally, cause major direct and indirect improvements on the economy. The argument that we don't have enough space, jobs, or resources is absurdly wrong. Just look at what happened to the farming industry in Alabama when they passed their racist laws: http://mic.com/articles/8272/alabama-illegal-immigrant-crackdown-destroys-farm-business.

Also too, immigration raises everyone's economic mobility: https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/immigration/news/2013/08/29/73203/immigration-helps-american-workers-wages-and-job-opportunities/



Yes, I think a prospective immigrant should at least be a somewhat capable English speaker before immigrating. And no, I don't believe an "English language police" or other such fascists measures should be implemented. I can put this question back on you and ask, "Why should I (or an American) be the one to have to learn another language to accommodate ESL citizens?" And if you think this doesn't happen, see the scrambling to find educators who can speak Spanish (or train them to) in order to handle the growing immigrant population in schools.


This has no impact on your daily life, despite you reaching for reasons to hate Mexicans. Other countries don't put language requirements on Americans to immigrate (aside from Austria), and we shouldn't do so either.



I don't. I also don't like when a non-English speaker needs to be assisted with their forms for half-an-hour and other such inconveniences that arise from a person unable to speak this country's host language. You can regale me with tales of grandpappy all you want, but the social and economic reality is very different today, with communication being more important (and needing to be more efficient) than ever.


Yeah, because when I go to the DMV the reason I sit in line for an hour to get my license renewed is because some brown is in front of me. GTFO. Conservatives have drastically cut state and local budgets by giving tax breaks to the wealthy "job creators" at the expense of social services. Keep trying to blame it on the browns, but that's just not the case. You're waiting in line because millionaires don't want to pay taxes and have bought your politicians.



Not offended. More like annoyed. It's the same thing as you getting annoyed with overt displays of American patriotism because ebil murrica sucks the bloods from dead Palestinian babbys We both have that right to annoyance.

Except in my case my tax dollars are killing brown children, in your case there's a piece of cloth with colors on it which you don't agree with. 'MURICA



I've been the only one backing up my argument with facts, to which you still haven't addressed.


I've addressed everyone of your self-believed "facts"



And you're still making a false equivalency. You, presumably being an educated and skilled person, emigrating to Germany or somewhere, is not the same as a 250 Mexicans getting trafficked across the border by Los Zetas. Okay, you have to deal with nationalists. And? Is your (and other skilled immigrants') presence there putting a strain on that country's social services? Is it forcing a transformation of the country's service sector and education system? Is it overcrowding emergency rooms?


If your hatred party had not blocked immigrants from paying for health insurance, we wouldn't have to subsidize them.



Simple question: Why do you support open borders and unfettered immigration? Because of some ideal that is very, very difficult, if not impossible, to realize?


I don't. I support a streamlined system where anyone who wants to come here, and has a reason to be here (family + work) can come here without waiting for years or being subject to arbitrary norms such as speaking English.



You're the one living in an imaginary world.


No, I'm living in a normalized world. You're living in a new "hate the brown" world which the Republicans with their "self deportation" policies and cheering people to die if they don't have healthcare prevail:

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[midnightpulp]

:lmao defending Lou Dobbs

Talk about attacking the source, there are 200+ Repubs and 2 Dems on that list of NumbersUSA A+ to B grades, with Steve King, the nations most prolific racist at the top. :lol

whoa, stop the presses. You mean that republicans might be more inclined to support immigration reform than dems?

What a revelation!

:lol Southern Poverty Law Center

See this is why I hate debating politics on message boards.

First, because I have a slightly conservative point of view in this case (I don't agree with closing the borders, I don't care what ethnicity said immigrants are, and I don't necessarily prefer skilled immigrants over unskilled immigrants), I must be a Ronnie Raygun loving, gun toting, Darkie hating redneck conservative! I want reasonable immigration reform in light of my state's current economic and infrastructural situation. Why is that such a far right point-of-view in your opinion? Because once-upon-a-time borders were totally open? Times change.

Secondly, because any data presented will be decried as biased. Do you really think a liberal think tank is going to present the same data in the same way as a conservative one and vice versa? I'd love to find impartial data that proves me right or wrong. But I can make a logical deduction and determine to the best of my knowledge that an open border policy is probably not a good idea for reasons I've mentioned, especially when the Cartels are starting to more and more control human trafficking.

Thirdly, because no one ever changes their opinion. I'm actually willing, but you've already built up this conservative caricature in your mind and proceeding aptly.

So here's the Pepsi challenge: Illustrate to me why a massive influx of immigrants who don't speak the language is a good thing in the year 2014.

I'm all ears.

[Splits]

So here's the Pepsi challenge: Illustrate to me why a massive influx of immigrants who don't speak the language is a good thing in the year 2014.

I'm all ears.


Because your assumption, bolded above, is completely wrong. There is no "massive influx of immigrants who don't speak the language in the year 2014" The population has been declining and is at the levels of 8 years ago. It's not an issue except for politicians who like to race-bait, and sweep up gullible, uninformed people such as yourself to believe their propaganda.


Figure 1. Mexican Immigrant Population in the United States, 1980-2013


http://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/source_images/SPT-Mex2014-F1.png



Source: Data from U.S. Census Bureau 2006, 2010, and 2013 American Community Surveys (ACS), 2000 Decennial Census, and Campbell J. Gibson and Emily Lennon, "Historical Census Statistics on the Foreign-born Population of the United States: 1850-1990" (Working Paper No. 29, U.S. Census Bureau, Washington, DC, February 1999),www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0029/twps0029.html (http://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0029/twps0029.html).


EDIT: Hopefully you don't also find the Census Bureau partisan

[spurraider21]

doesn't splits call every jew in sports a zionist?

[Splits]

See this is why I hate debating politics on message boards.


Well then the next time I post a passive response to one of your shitty takes and call it "stoopid", just let it go and don't beg me to respond. Then I won't have to waste 4 hours of my life clowning you, and you won't have to spend so much time backtracking trying to defend said shitty take.

[Splits]

doesn't splits call every jew in sports a zionist?

Wut does that have to do with anything? Sorry if Blatt and Casspi want to expel all Arabs from Palestine, but don't see how that's relevant.

[spurraider21]

Wut does that have to do with anything? Sorry if Blatt and Casspi want to expel all Arabs from Palestine, but don't see how that's relevant.
you seem to be really passionate in defending other nationalities unless its israeli, in which case gloves are off

[midnightpulp]

Because your assumption, bolded above, is completely wrong. There is no "massive influx of immigrants who don't speak the language in the year 2014" The population has been declining and is at the levels of 8 years ago. It's not an issue except for politicians who like to race-bait, and sweep up gullible, uninformed people such as yourself to believe their propaganda.


Figure 1. Mexican Immigrant Population in the United States, 1980-2013


http://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/source_images/SPT-Mex2014-F1.png



Source: Data from U.S. Census Bureau 2006, 2010, and 2013 American Community Surveys (ACS), 2000 Decennial Census, and Campbell J. Gibson and Emily Lennon, "Historical Census Statistics on the Foreign-born Population of the United States: 1850-1990" (Working Paper No. 29, U.S. Census Bureau, Washington, DC, February 1999),www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0029/twps0029.html (http://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0029/twps0029.html).





Just because it has slightly declined after a decade long rise, does not mean there wasn't a massive influx over the past two decades.

It's not an issue

Perhaps in states that have a low immigrant population, like Alabama from that article you mentioned, but 25% of of those 11 million undocumented immigrants live in California. And when you factor in their children, it does become an issue.

[midnightpulp]

Well then the next time I post a passive response to one of your shitty takes and call it "stoopid", just let it go and don't beg me to respond. Then I won't have to waste 4 hours of my life clowning you, and you won't have to spend so much time backtracking trying to defend said shitty take.

:lol "Liberal talking point. Another Liberal talking point. Posted opinion piece from Progressive Organization."

"I clowned him, guise!"

[Splits]

you seem to be really passionate in defending other nationalities unless its israeli, in which case gloves are off

Not sure where you're coming from, I'm all about equality before nationality/religion, especially when nationality/religion is directly tied to oppression of the weak, vulnerable, or minority. You know, the founding tenets of America?

[midnightpulp]

you seem to be really passionate in defending other nationalities unless its israeli, in which case gloves are off

Splits is a progressive cliche.

He doesn't think too much beyond Michael Moore polemics and Howard Zinn books.

[Splits]

Just because it has slightly declined after a decade long rise, does not mean there wasn't a massive influx over the past two decades.

It's not an issue

Perhaps in states that have a low immigrant population, like Alabama from that article you mentioned, but 25% of of those 11 million undocumented immigrants live in California. And when you factor in their children, it does become an issue.

So "massive influx in 2014" has magically transformed to "massive influx in past 2 decades". Got it, but all else remains the same. Nice debate tactic

[Splits]

:cry Pepsi challenged answered :cry
:cry let me change the subject of debate :cry

[spurraider21]

Not sure where you're coming from, I'm all about equality before nationality/religion, especially when nationality/religion is directly tied to oppression of the weak, vulnerable, or minority. You know, the founding tenets of America?
i'm all about equality among nationalities and i'm generally pro-immigration. its the only reason i'm here. my parents immigrated from the fucking soviet union, which was no cakewalk. my gf is still struggling with her status here even though she moved here from sweden 12 years ago, still paying international tuitions and everything. its a drag.

but i don't think that means we should turn the other way when others try to circumvent the system in place (even though i agree the system in place is shitty). i'm a socal guy as well, and i see a lot of the issues mid brings up on a nearly daily basis. when i was trying to get my health insurance policy taken care of, NONE of the employees there spoke english as a first language, i had to sit there for an hour until an english speaking manager drove over :lol

[midnightpulp]

Not sure where you're coming from, I'm all about equality before nationality/religion, especially when nationality/religion is directly tied to oppression of the weak, vulnerable, or minority. You know, the founding tenets of America?

:lol No you're not.

You're pretty much incapable of looking at anything reasonably and objectively. Whatever position is fashionable in leftist academia, is the side you'll invariably take. You'll probably blather something about me being a racist or nationalist, but I'm not so arrogant enough to think I have all the information with which I can develop an informed opinion on what are not simplistic black-and-white geopolitical, economic, or social situations.

I don't know who is "really at fault" in the whole Israel/Palestine conflict. That's a region that has been in strife for thousands of years, and to blindly side either side is illogical in my opinion. Yet you speak with absolute confidence that it's all, "Israel's fault."

[Splits]

when i was trying to get my health insurance policy taken care of, NONE of the employees there spoke english as a first language, i had to sit there for an hour until an english speaking manager drove over :lol

Something tells me you weren't trying to get insured in Chinatown (where nobody speaks English) or little Italy.

[spurraider21]

Something tells me you weren't trying to get insured in Chinatown (where nobody speaks English) or little Italy.
you are correct. it wasn't in a "little" anything. it was in the middle of the san fernando valley.

[Splits]

:lol No you're not.

You're pretty much incapable of looking at anything reasonably and objectively. Whatever position is fashionable in leftist academia, is the side you'll invariably take. You'll probably blather something about me being a racist or nationalist, but I'm not so arrogant enough to think I have all the information with which I can develop an informed opinion on what are not simplistic black-and-white geopolitical, economic, or social situations.

I don't know who is "really at fault" in the whole Israel/Palestine conflict. That's a region that has been in strife for thousands of years, and to blindly side either side is illogical in my opinion. Yet you speak with absolute confidence that it's all, "Israel's fault."

Wrong. If the Arabs had the nukes and the Jews had the firecrackers, I'd take the exact same position and go buy a yarmulke

[Splits]

And for the record I have zero connection to "academia". :lol haven't set foot on a campus in 20 years, work for an evil industry (big pharma)

[spurraider21]

Wrong. If the Arabs had the nukes and the Jews had the firecrackers, I'd take the exact same position and go buy a yarmulke
are the jews using nukes? i haven't been keeping up with that conflict that just seems to repeat itself every few years

[midnightpulp]

So "massive influx in 2014" has magically transformed to "massive influx in past 2 decades". Got it, but all else remains the same. Nice debate tactic

Wow, immigration has slightly declined. That must mean there's really not that many of them after all!

Fine, you win the semantic war. I specified 2014 to prevent you from talking about the distant past (since you love the false equivalency tactic), when you can say total open borders were a reasonable thing to do for a developing country.

Still, why is a massive influx of illegal immigrants over the past two decades a good thing?

See and this comes the part where you post an opinion from a progressive organization showing how it was a "good thing," to which I can respond with an article from a conservative organization showing it's not a good thing, and we play the link game all night.

[Splits]

Wow, immigration has slightly declined. That must mean there's really not that many of them after all!

Fine, you win the semantic war. I specified 2014 to prevent you from talking about the distant past (since you love the false equivalency tactic), when you can say total open borders were a reasonable thing to do for a developing country.

Still, why is a massive influx of illegal immigrants over the past two decades a good thing?

See and this comes the part where you post an opinion from a progressive organization showing how it was a "good thing," to which I can respond with an article from a conservative organization showing it's not a good thing, and we play the link game all night.

:lol semantics. Your entire argument was based on some imaginary army of Mexicans flooding the border in 2014, overwhelming those patriotic militia men, taking over all social services, hospitals, schools!!! Oh wait, the population is declining? Hmm, let me find another argument.

[Splits]

are the jews using nukes? i haven't been keeping up with that conflict that just seems to repeat itself every few years

Cmon. Using nukes? Of course not. Having the most powerful military in the Middle East and using disproportionate force to deal with any perceived threat under the guise of stealing all the land between the Jordan river and the sea? Umm, yeah.

[midnightpulp]

Wrong. If the Arabs had the nukes and the Jews had the firecrackers, I'd take the exact same position and go buy a yarmulke

:lol So you have nuke envy on behalf on the Arabs?

But I do agree Israel is acting paranoid at the moment, although I empathize with their paranoia since Arabs and Jews have blood feuded for 1400 years.

[spurraider21]

Cmon. Using nukes? Of course not. Having the most powerful military in the Middle East and using disproportionate force to deal with any perceived threat under the guise of stealing all the land between the Jordan river and the sea? Umm, yeah.
i agree with that. you brought nukes into the discussion so i inquired

[Splits]

:lol So you have nuke envy on behalf on the Arabs?

But I do agree Israel is acting paranoid at the moment, although I empathize with their paranoia since Arabs and Jews have blood feuded for 1400 years.

The israeli left has disappeared, and if they try to organize the right wing groups show up with weapons while the popo laugh at the bloodbath. It's a dismal situation over there, the nationalists have completely taken over, and nothing but bad things are going to happen in the near future.

[Splits]

A microcosm really, of overzealous nationalism + religion leading to nothing but hatred and violence. And the ones with the bigger weapons swing their dicks like their nation and their religion are superior, both morally and biblically. Toxic mixture.

[midnightpulp]

:lol semantics. Your entire argument was based on some imaginary army of Mexicans flooding the border in 2014, overwhelming those patriotic militia men, taking over all social services, hospitals, schools!!! Oh wait, the population is declining? Hmm, let me find another argument.

It's actually not imaginary, considering 2.8 million undocumented immigrants live in California.

Quit being hyperbolic. I never stated they are taking over anything. But their presence has put a strain on services and resulted in school/hospital overcrowding.

But that's a good thing, because equality or compassion or something.

The reason you rally for unfettered immigration so much is because conservatives are against it. It's as petty as that.

I'm not even against immigration. And I don't see it as an unreasonable request to employ certain requirements to citizenship, like being able to speak capable (not even necessarily conversational) English, which takes the average person about 300 hours to learn, which is like a week in Mexican laborer time.

[spurraider21]

It's actually no imaginary, considering 2.8 million undocumented immigrants live in California.

Quit being hyperbolic. I never stated they are taking over anything. But their presence has put a strain on services and resulted in school/hospital overcrowding.

But that's a good thing, because equality or compassion or something.

The reason you rally for unfettered immigration so much is because conservatives are against it. It's as petty as that.

I'm not even against immigration. And I don't see it as an unreasonable request to employ certain requirements to citizenship, like being able to speak capable (not even necessarily conversational) English, which takes the average person about 300 hours to learn, which is like a week in Mexican laborer time.
http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/b/d/bd21e_ORIG-eso_es_racista.gif

[midnightpulp]

Dub post

[midnightpulp]

A microcosm really, of overzealous nationalism + religion leading to nothing but hatred and violence. And the ones with the bigger weapons swing their dicks like their nation and their religion are superior, both morally and biblically. Toxic mixture.

You're right. But that doesn't mean one side is inherently morally right.

But I understand your position of wanting fairness (re: military capability) for both belligerents. That doesn't mean the Arabs aren't bastards themselves and should be "supported."

[DMC]

Don't think the Aztecs or Mayans were ever natives of California, to my knowledge.

You do realize your ancestors don't necessarily have to live in the same region as you, right?

The Spanish were there for about 300 years earlier than 1850, and I highly doubt most non-Hispanics of the region, even today, speak Spanish. There are other native tribes than the Aztecs and Mayans.

[midnightpulp]

You do realize your ancestors don't necessarily have to live in the same region as you, right?

The Spanish were there for about 300 years earlier than 1850, and I highly doubt most non-Hispanics of the region, even today, speak Spanish. There are other native tribes than the Aztecs and Mayans.

Yeah, I know. You're probably speaking of the various Mission Indian tribes in Southern California (many of whom are part Mexican)? Again, I just find it funny when a Mexican who probably has no native ancestry that was indigenous to Southern California (but probably has Spanish ancestry) self-righteously caterwauls about this being "their land," when their ancestors raped and pillaged just like any other conqueror.

Land has been settled, stolen, and lost throughout human history. Question is how do you do determine who has the rightful moral claim to a land?

[unleashbaynes]

:lol semantics. Your entire argument was based on some imaginary army of Mexicans flooding the border in 2014, overwhelming those patriotic militia men, taking over all social services, hospitals, schools!!! Oh wait, the population is declining? Hmm, let me find another argument.

he never said anything close to that effect, you retard.