So what you niggas make of the new AMD CEO?

[baseline bum]

Would not tap tbh

http://www.legitreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/lisa-su-amd-ceo-645x803.jpg

Will AMD ever make a good desktop CPU again? From K6 to Phenom II x4 AMD always had really solid CPUs both in the value and performance segments of the market, but now they can only run low-end crap like the PS4.

[Cry Havoc]

Yahoo still winning in dat race, tbh

http://thelibertybeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/marisamayer.jpg

[baseline bum]

Yahoo still winning in dat race, tbh

http://thelibertybeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/marisamayer.jpg

Still, even with a manly chinkette in charge I'm not sure that I'll trust AMD again on the desktop tbh. Intel has made no real gains since Sandy Bridge and AMD still can't catch up for shit. :lol

:lol 220W desktop cpus that can't touch 84W i5's
:cry but moar corez and 5 GHz turbo

[Cry Havoc]

Still, even with a manly chinkette in charge I'm not sure that I'll trust AMD again on the desktop tbh. Intel has made no real gains since Sandy Bridge and AMD still can't catch up for shit. :lol

:lol 220W desktop cpus that can't touch 84W i5's
:cry but moar corez and 5 GHz turbo

Their APUs are really solid price/performance wise, and their GPUs are still beating NVidia most of the time.

Definitely in trouble though. Intel's just been dropping bombs lately.

[resistanze]

I still remember the days of overclocking my Athlon XP 2500+ to a 3200+ by just cranking up the FSB. Best value for money on the market. Sad.

[baseline bum]

Their APUs are really solid price/performance wise, and their GPUs are still beating NVidia most of the time.

Definitely in trouble though. Intel's just been dropping bombs lately.

AMD kills Nvidia in the midrange right now with the R9 290 in the $250 range, but when the GTX 960 releases they could really be in a lot of trouble. Hopefully the R9 390x lives up to the hype and doesn't end up being the kind of epic fail the FX-9590 was. But their last release was pretty so-so: who was excited about the R9 285 when it performs like a 280 with 1GB less RAM and a little lower power usage while costing >$50 more?

[baseline bum]

I still remember the days of overclocking my Athlon XP 2500+ to a 3200+ by just cranking up the FSB. Best value for money on the market. Sad.

:cry I remember when the Athon XP's just shit all over the Pentium 4's in flat out performance, and not just price for performance. :cry

And now they get fucking smoked in both

[baseline bum]

Definitely in trouble though. Intel's just been dropping bombs lately.

What bombs are Intel dropping though since 2011? A Haswell i5 doesn't perform too differently from a Sandy Bridge i5. AMD's complete failure to respond in these last four years has allowed Intel to focus on power consumption and try to save their mobile division.

EDIT: I guess the G3258 could be considered a bomb since it has taken over the absolute budget range.

[ElNono]

Intel is really into trying to capture the mobile market now... this is why you see the onus on power consumption and reduced lithography on the latest procs...

[baseline bum]

Intel is really into trying to capture the mobile market now... this is why you see the onus on power consumption and reduced lithography on the latest procs...

It's the only place there is any competition tbh. Aren't they getting murdered by ARM?

[Cry Havoc]

Intel is really into trying to capture the mobile market now... this is why you see the onus on power consumption and reduced lithography on the latest procs...

That's the point I was making. Their cores are getting incredibly efficient. But they may not have adapted fast enough for the mobile market.

[Venti Quattro]

Would not tap tbh

http://www.legitreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/lisa-su-amd-ceo-645x803.jpg

Will AMD ever make a good desktop CPU again? From K6 to Phenom II x4 AMD always had really solid CPUs both in the value and performance segments of the market, but now they can only run low-end crap like the PS4.

She looks like she will chant :cry Dear Leader :cry

[DarrinS]

:lmao

Best first line followed by pic ever

[baseline bum]

That's the point I was making. Their cores are getting incredibly efficient. But they may not have adapted fast enough for the mobile market.

????

Haswell is less efficient than Ivy

[ElNono]

It's the only place there is any competition tbh. Aren't they getting murdered by ARM?

They are at the moment... but they've made great progress in the last couple of years. You can now get Core M Broadwell with TDP as low as 4.5W.

If their 10nm process can bring that down to under 4W, they'll be in great shape to compete with ARM.

[ElNono]

????

Haswell is less efficient than Ivy

Efficient in what sense? Haswell is more efficient in power-consumption, AFAIK

[baseline bum]

Efficient in what sense? Haswell is more efficient in power-consumption, AFAIK

In mobile? Isn't the desktop Ivy lower power than the desktop Haswell?

[baseline bum]

They are at the moment... but they've made great progress in the last couple of years. You can now get Core M Broadwell with TDP as low as 4.5W.

If their 10nm process can bring that down to under 4W, they'll be in great shape to compete with ARM.

????

I thought Broadwell wasn't releasing until the middle of 2015.

[ElNono]

In mobile? Isn't the desktop Ivy lower power than the desktop Haswell?

They're both the same lithography, 22nm, but Haswell is an improved process. On the desktop versions there isn't much difference, with both going down up to 35W TDP.

Haswell, though, added a few variants:

ULT: targeted to ultrabooks, can go down to 13.5W TDP
ULX: targeted towards tablets, can go down to 10W TDP

[ElNono]

????

I thought Broadwell wasn't releasing until the middle of 2015.

I think you're thinking of Skylake. Broadwell was delayed, but there has been a few broadwell laptops on sale since October:

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/192893-the-first-core-m-laptop-paints-a-depressing-mediocre-picture-for-intels-broadwell

http://www.notebookcheck.net/First-Impressions-Lenovo-Yoga-3-Pro-in-Review.129643.0.html

[baseline bum]

I think you're thinking of Skylake. Broadwell was delayed, but there has been a few broadwell laptops on sale since October:

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/192893-the-first-core-m-laptop-paints-a-depressing-mediocre-picture-for-intels-broadwell

You can actually buy that now? I don't think Broadwell desktop is coming out until the middle of next year, with Skylake scheduled right after.

[baseline bum]

They're both the same lithography, 22nm, but Haswell is an improved process. On the desktop versions there isn't much difference, with both going down up to 35W TDP.

Haswell, though, added a few variants:

ULT: targeted to ultrabooks, can go down to 13.5W TDP
ULX: targeted towards tablets, can go down to 10W TDP

You think Intel ever goes with a RISC chip to try to get that lower, or do they just have too much invested in x86?

[ElNono]

You can actually buy that now? I don't think Broadwell desktop is coming out until the middle of next year, with Skylake scheduled right after.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo-yoga-3-pro-2-in-1-13-3-touch-screen-laptop-intel-core-m-8gb-memory-512gb-solid-state-drive-silver/8636111.p?id=1219359675368

[ElNono]

You think Intel ever goes with a RISC chip to try to get that lower, or do they just have too much invested in x86?

If they can get x86 down to 3W TDP, I think they're set. That's what an ARM CPU uses these days. I mean, the latest CPUs are basically a SoC already. USB3, gfx, hardware video decoding are all built into the CPU already.

[ElNono]

Once they get the CPU down to that kind of TDP, improving Iris Pro is the next step.

[baseline bum]

If they can get x86 down to 3W TDP, I think they're set. That's what an ARM CPU uses these days. I mean, the latest CPUs are basically a SoC already. USB3, gfx, hardware video decoding are all built into the CPU already.

Yeah, but is ARM going to stay there? The complicated instruction decoding isn't a barrier that's going to hurt them with power consumption?

[ElNono]

According to this, Intel might just scrape Broadwell for the desktop and go directly to Skylake for that:

http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/77585-intel-refreshes-cpu-roadmap-provides-14nm-update/

[baseline bum]

According to this, Intel might just scrape Broadwell for the desktop and go directly to Skylake for that:

http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/77585-intel-refreshes-cpu-roadmap-provides-14nm-update/

I keep seeing they're only releasing Broadwell-K, I guess for PC Master Race that has to upgrade every year tbh. No clue why gamers would give a shit about process shrinks that save a few watts, but niggas want Broadwell-K.

[ElNono]

Yeah, but is ARM going to stay there? The complicated instruction decoding isn't a barrier that's going to hurt them with power consumption?

x64 already addressed a lot of the funky instruction issues. In the past, you could make a case that Thumb was important for mobile/embedded due to the reduction in code size, but in this day and age, with the price of flash and ram, that's no longer a concern.

[ElNono]

The real key for intel is going to be to keep the prices down... all these process updates cost a lot of dough... but it's the price they had to pay to catch up. They can't afford to raise the CPU prices in the current market.

[baseline bum]

The real key for intel is going to be to keep the prices down... all these process updates cost a lot of dough... but it's the price they had to pay to catch up. They can't afford to raise the CPU prices in the current market.

:cry Those ######s never drop prices on the desktop :cry

[anakha]

I remember a few years ago when people were saying the AMD E-350 would be taking over the netbook/budget laptop segment.

[scanry]

Intel missed out big time on the mobile front. They should be in Qualcomm's place tbh. They should forget about powering Android and look for Alpha to bail them out tbh. I heard the new Microsoft phones are out with Intel processors.

[DJR210]

AMD..helping poor people on tight budgets all over the world build the crappy PC of their dreams

[baseline bum]

AMD..helping poor people on tight budgets all over the world build the crappy PC of their dreams

Their graphics cards are still awesome though, as long as you NEVER buy the reference coolers. All of Nvidia's cards except the 970 are crazy overpriced. Especially crap like the 760 and 770. The 970 is only considered awesome because they released it at $330 instead of $400. The 980 is barely a step up from the 780 Ti. I'm not impressed by the power consumption either, as a GTX 970 only peaks about 70W below what the R9 290 does, despite all the hype about it being a 145W card. I hope AMD keeps making 250W-300W cards, since a good 600W-650W PSU isn't a lot more expensive than a good 500W PSU.

[DJR210]

I clown AMD all day, but if they are AMD = finished that's gonna suck for Nvidia prices

[baseline bum]

I clown AMD all day, but if they are AMD = finished that's gonna suck for Nvidia prices

I don't think that's a worry right now though for GPUs, as AMD has the best card at every price below $300. I'm eager to see what the 390x looks like and whether it makes 4k gaming at 60 FPS high a possibility on a single GPU. But their CPUs are fucking garbage.

[DJR210]

"Best" is subjective..nobody cares that your card does 5 FPS more on average when it's running normally at 100 degrees with fans louder than an engine

[baseline bum]

"Best" is subjective..nobody cares that your card does 5 FPS more on average when it's running normally at 100 degrees with fans louder than an engine

Their only GPUs in the R9 2xx series that run at 95C are the reference 290/290x blowers, but the aftermarket 290s run in the mid to high 70s at full load and the aftermarket 290x's at high 70s to low 80s at full load. Nvidia knows they can count on fanboys to keep their 760 and 770 prices high even though they're significantly worse cards than what AMD puts out in those price ranges. AMD can't touch Nvidia right now when it comes to 1080p gaming in the $300 range, but otherwise AMD has better cards currently. But Nvidia could definitely swoop in and take the entire midrange market for a few months if they release the GTX 960 as just a slightly cut down and lower binned version of the 970, still with 4GB VRAM.