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Cant_Be_Faded
08-29-2005, 08:03 PM
I'm not starting a joke thread, I would just like to hear other opinions.

Do you think it is or will ever be possible to control the weather? Do you think this could be possible right now? If there were means to control the weather, who do you think would monopolize this power first? What purposes would they use it for?


I'm being serious, would like to hear at least some serious replies...

if you think its science fiction then say so but don't rip me


I just find it so coincidental that this hurricane seemed designed to nail NO, especially the way it went south after reaching Florida. I've never seen a hurricane do that ever.

angel_luv
08-29-2005, 08:05 PM
I think that man will continue to find better ways to manage the weather but only God can control it.

TOP-CHERRY
08-29-2005, 08:05 PM
No.

(And I'm being serious)

Cant_Be_Faded
08-29-2005, 08:08 PM
Have I been the only one to hear about how many weather 'experts' were totally baffled by Katrina...that some of the things it showed us were unprecedented and very odd. I don't know weather lingo so i can't remember the specifics. But hasn't this hurricane exhibited very unexpected and abnormal behavior

TOP-CHERRY
08-29-2005, 08:09 PM
I think things like this remind us how impotent we are as humans compared to the forces of nature. We can never pretend to be gods by controling natural disasters. We can pretect ourselves, take precautions, like the ones taken yesterday and today... We can aid those in need; that's about it.

So, no.

Spam
08-29-2005, 08:10 PM
Every time I wash my car I make it rain.

SpursWoman
08-29-2005, 08:10 PM
I wish they could, to at least be able divert these types of tragedies away from populated areas. :depressed

TOP-CHERRY
08-29-2005, 08:10 PM
Have I been the only one to hear about how many weather 'experts' were totally baffled by Katrina...that some of the things it showed us were unprecedented and very odd. I don't know weather lingo so i can't remember the specifics. But hasn't this hurricane exhibited very unexpected and abnormal behavior
Yeah, it's scary.

Shelly
08-29-2005, 08:10 PM
Then God must really hate Florida!

Has cloud seeding ever worked?

SpursWoman
08-29-2005, 08:10 PM
Every time I wash my car I make it rain.


:lmao

Shelly
08-29-2005, 08:10 PM
Every time I wash my car I make it rain.

Or wash the floor :cuss

SpursWoman
08-29-2005, 08:11 PM
Every time I wash my car I make it rain.


Then go wash your damn car already...


And Shelly, clean the floors! :spin

Cant_Be_Faded
08-29-2005, 08:12 PM
I wish they could, to at least be able divert these types of tragedies away from populated areas. :depressed



Do you think that if this power were available today, that this would be the number 1 reason for using it? I ask myself, where would the profits be if one could control the weather.

Shelly
08-29-2005, 08:14 PM
Then go wash your damn car already...


And Shelly, clean the floors! :spin

I did today and it looked like it was gonna rain!

Old School Chic
08-29-2005, 08:14 PM
No.

(And I'm being serious)

I agree with TOP-CHERRY

TOP-CHERRY
08-29-2005, 08:15 PM
I did today and it looked like it was gonna rain!
It did for like 10 seconds at UTSA.

timvp
08-29-2005, 08:15 PM
I believe that one day man will be able to lessen the impact of major hurricanes if caught in time. For example, while this storm was still over the gulf, some type of action could have been taken to try to slow it down.

Of course that is impossible today, but in the future I believe that it will be possible to turn a level five hurricane into a level two hurricane by disturbing it somehow.

rl64tx
08-29-2005, 08:20 PM
I believe that one day man will be able to lessen the impact of major hurricanes if caught in time. For example, while this storm was still over the gulf, some type of action could have been taken to try to slow it down.

Of course that is impossible today, but in the future I believe that it will be possible to turn a level five hurricane into a level two hurricane by disturbing it somehow.

It's called Dyn-O-Gel......google it, interesting read....

IcemanCometh
08-29-2005, 08:20 PM
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004CY26.02._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Cant_Be_Faded
08-29-2005, 08:20 PM
I'd like to hear what Manny thinks about this subject. He seems to know alot about 'canes and weather. I do remember him saying the hurricanes progress late last night was very abnormal.

Spam
08-29-2005, 08:22 PM
When it come to the weather....Manny "nails it".

Cant_Be_Faded
08-29-2005, 08:26 PM
He's probably sleeping from the all nighter of weather watching he did last night

Shelly
08-29-2005, 08:32 PM
He's probably sleeping from the all nighter of weather watching he did last night


Manny gained over 100 pounds worrying about Katrina. I bet he's doing tons of cardio now.

:lol

Cant_Be_Faded
08-29-2005, 08:34 PM
LOL. Is Manny prone to getting fat when he's stressed out?

Shelly
08-29-2005, 08:36 PM
http://www.edwardsaquifer.net/cloudseeding.html

For a while, there was growing hope that weather modification in the form of cloud seeding could provide more water for the Edwards Aquifer and also potentially reduce agricultural demand. In 2003, scientists at the National Academy of Sciences concluded there is no scientific evidence that it works (11). The American Meteorological Society's official position is that there has been some statistical evidence showing a 10 percent increase in precipitation after cloud-seeding, but no conclusive cause and effect.

Several programs in Texas resulted in what was concluded to be increased rainfall. The oldest program was started in 1971 by the Colorado River Municipal Water District. Their target area has been about 3,600 square miles in the upper Colorado River basin upstream from Spence Reservoir. The long-term results report a 34% increase above normal historic precipitation in the seeded areas (Jones, 1988, 1997). In 1986 the Southwest Cooperative Program (SWCP) was started as a cooperative effort between Oklahoma and Texas to randomly seed clouds over 5,000 square miles between Midland-Odessa and Lubbock. From 1986 to 1994, 93 seedings were performed and rainfall was compared with 90 non-seeded storm cells. The results indicated increased rainfall. Compared to the non-seeded cells, the seeded clouds increased in height by 7%, rainfall coverage increased by 43%, duration of storms increased 36%, and volume of rain increased 130% (Rosenfeld and Woodley, 1993).

Cloud seeding got its start in 1946 when Dr. Vincent J. Schaefer, working at the General Electric Laboratory in New York, was involved with research to create artificial clouds in a chilled chamber. During one experiment, Schaefer thought the chamber was too warm and placed dry ice inside to cool it. Water vapor in the chamber formed a cloud around the dry ice. The ice crystals in the dry ice had provided a nucleus around which droplets of water could form inside the chamber. Natural rainfall works much the same way. Ice crystals are formed when cold water contacts particles of dust, salt, or sand. The ice crystals provide a nucleus around which water droplets can attach, increasing the size of the droplet. When the droplet becomes large enough, it falls as rain. This is the "cold rain" process. Cloud seeding is thought to increase the number of these nuclei available to take greater advantage of the moisture in the cloud and form raindrops that otherwise would not have formed. Another process, the "warm rain" process, usually involves clouds in tropical regions that never reach the freezing point. In these clouds, raindrops form around a "hygroscopic nuclei", a particle that attracts water such as salt or dust. Small droplets collide and coalesce until they form a drop large enough to fall. To encourage the "warm rain" process, calcium chloride is usually used to provide the nucleus for raindrop formation. For the "cold rain" process, silver iodide can be used as a nuclei because its structure is very similar to ice crystals.

George Bomar, meteorologist for the Texas Natural Resources Conservation Commission, and State Senator Jeff Wentworth visited a number of South Texas government agencies in 1996 and encouraged them to consider cloud seeding programs as a component of long term water management strategies (1). Bomar indicated state studies suggest cloud-seeding can increase the amount of rain by as much as 2.5 times.

After the 1996 visits by Bomar and Wentworth (2), several agencies moved quickly to form the South Texas Weather Modification Association and initiate cloud seeding in May 1997 (3). The Evergreen Underground Water District and the counties of Wilson, Karnes, Frio, Atascosa, McMullen, Live Oak, and Bee agreed to share the cost of a three-year program. While there are disputes about whether or not cloud-seeding actually works, one thing for certain is it's not cheap. In San Angelo it cost $411,000 to seed above 7.2 million acres. The effort spearheaded by the Evergeeen District cost $282,000 per year. The first mission was flown along the Wilson-Atascosa county line on May 16, 1997, the same day the TNRCC granted the license to operate. Within hours, a large area received 1-4 inches of rainfall, but the National Weather Service said it would be very difficult to determine if the cloud-seeding caused it because a lot of heavy activity was expected anyway.

In 1998 the Edwards Aquifer Authority set aside $500,000 for cloud-seeding and in July asked Governor George W. Bush to suspend the regulations requiring a state permit to conduct cloud seeding so they could begin a program immediately (4). The permit was tied up by protests of people living along creeks who feared that flooding would result; but it was eventually issued in October 1998 (5). The Authority gave assurances that no cloud-seeding would be conducted if severe storm warnings were issued, if storm clouds moved slowly and posed a flooding threat, or if storms continued to track over the same area. In January 1999 the Authority’s board approved a four year contract to conduct cloud seeding (6). The first scheduled effort on April 15, 1999 was canceled because there were no clouds (7), but their efforts are ongoing and it is hoped they will result in extra water for the Edwards.

In June 2001, after several years of cloud-seeding efforts (8, 9), the Edwards Aquifer Authority board approved a study to determine if the amount of rain produced can be quantified (10). EAA General Manager Greg Ellis said "Here, we have a very unique situation with our rain gauges, our stream flow measures and our aquifer measures to actually determine as that rain is falling how much of that is benefitting the region, how much is actually getting to the ground and into the aquifer." In 2004, in light of the findings of the National Academy of Science (11), the EAA considered eliminating funding for cloud-seeding, but eventually included $153,520 in their 2005 budget for cloud-seeding flights and an independent evaluation of previous efforts (12).

Materials used to prepare this section:
(1) "Council eyes cloud seeding" San Antonio Express-News, August 16 1996.
(2) "S.A. lawmaker urges cloud-seeding option" San Antonio Express-News, October 2 1996.
(3) "Storms follow cloud seeding" San Antonio Express-News, May 21 1997.
(4) "Board pushes cloud seeding" San Antonio Express-News, July 28 1998.
(5) "Aquifer authority wins cloud seeding permit from TNRCC" San Antonio Express-News, October 23 1998.
(6) "EAA to consider cloud-seeding deal" San Antonio Express-News, January 1 1999.
(7) "Cloud-seeding canceled on account of no clouds" San Antonio Express-News, April 16 1999.
(8) "Cloud seeding efforts take off in South Texas" San Antonio Express-News, May 4 1999.
(9) "Cloud seeding may get early start today" San Antonio Express-News, March 2 2000.
(10) "EAA OKs study of cloud seeding" San Antonio Express-News, June 19 2001.
(11) "Cloud-seeding gets a failing grade" San Antonio Express-News, October 20, 2003.
(12) "Aquifer authority boosts fee" San Antonio Express-News, November 10, 2004.

Ginofan
08-29-2005, 08:37 PM
This is mother nature...in my opinion if you try to control it, it will only lead to more problems in the future because things aren't on their natural paths.

Warnings, evacuations, better building structure and codes...those are all things that can be improved to help out with limiting the number of people endangered. But overall I don't think it would be such a smart idea to try and control mother nature.

SpursWoman
08-29-2005, 08:38 PM
Do you think that if this power were available today, that this would be the number 1 reason for using it? I ask myself, where would the profits be if one could control the weather.


Coastal areas could pay you for protection, mafia style. :)

SpursWoman
08-29-2005, 08:40 PM
Manny gained over 100 pounds worrying about Katrina. I bet he's doing tons of cardio now.

:lol

:lmao

thispego
08-29-2005, 08:41 PM
I'm not starting a joke thread, I would just like to hear other opinions.

Do you think it is or will ever be possible to control the weather? Do you think this could be possible right now? If there were means to control the weather, who do you think would monopolize this power first? What purposes would they use it for?


I'm being serious, would like to hear at least some serious replies...

if you think its science fiction then say so but don't rip me


I just find it so coincidental that this hurricane seemed designed to nail NO, especially the way it went south after reaching Florida. I've never seen a hurricane do that ever.
damn cbf, i dont remember if you and i talked about this or what, but i remember talking about it to my parents 2 years ago and saying "just watch, the tropical storms and hurricanes are gonna be crazy these next few years due to testing for methods of weather control"
NO/Katrina really has made me suspicios, not to mention the barrage of hurricanes that hit florida last year... one after another... is that nromal?

Cant_Be_Faded
08-29-2005, 08:44 PM
damn cbf, i dont remember if you and i talked about this or what, but i remember talking about it to my parents 2 years ago and saying "just watch, the tropical storms and hurricanes are gonna be crazy these next few years due to testing for methods of weather control"
NO/Katrina really has made me suspicios, not to mention the barrage of hurricanes that hit florida last year... one after another... is that nromal?



scott, mookie, and i were talking about weather control like 2 or 3 years ago, that year when it seemed to rain seriously every other day....it was a very weird year. i think it was 2003.

Yeah ive been hearing that this has been the most abnormal hurricane season in a very very long time.

Shelly
08-29-2005, 08:44 PM
http://www.freedomdomain.com/weather.html :)

Weather Control

Is it strange how, when we are in the middle of summer, it can be raining out, and one day it is very "hot", the next day it is 15 degree cooler, and two days later, it is "hot" again? Does this seem strange? How about earthquakes in parts of the world, that are so devastating, that if they were to happen here, our whole economy could be ruined.
Do you think it is "odd" that people would suggest that the government can and does control the
weather? I KNOW it sounds a little paranoid, but if you do the research to investigate, you will undoubtably arrive at the same conclusions. OUR WEATHER IS CONTROLLED!!

It all began with a Serbian fellow named Nikola Tesla, who came here to the United States in the late
1800's at the turn of the century. Tesla was a true "genius". Tesla had invented or discovered, the Radio,
Television, Neon Lighting, Alternating Current, Partical Beams, and there is much reason to believe
he was involved with building the world's first flying saucer projects equipt with Free-Energy. Tesla had
figured out how to "tap" the abundant electricity generated by the earth's rotation. The same electricity
which causes lightning, which we can visibly see.

Tesla was also known for having developed ways to use "Scalar Electromagnetics". The use of which
could be for "Good" purposes or "not so good" ones. One of the "Inventions" he had, he called the
"Earthquake Machine". He claimed that with the "Press of a button", he could split the Earth in two.
There are also variations of this, depending on the frequency used and the ocillating rate. A small tremor
could be produced, or a huge catastrophe.

To read more about Nikola Tesla, his background, and Flying Saucers - Click Here!!

Currently, the military has control over this technology and is using it in a number of ways. The main
use of it for weather control, I believe, is a project in Alaska called HAARP. This stands for High
Auroral Arial Research Project. The "Official" story behing this can be checked out by going to the
Offical HAARP Home Page. Be aware though, that the Army has created a "Cover" for what this
Project "Really" is. The project is for "Weather Control", however, they claim it was created to
"Monitor" the waether patterns, and such. This is total Bulls**t. If you believe that, I have some "Prime"
real estate, farmland, and fruit orchards to sell you, in Alaska, that is.

Nick Begich is probably the best source today, as well as the first, to point out and teach about the
"True" story behind HAARP, and how it all got started. (I am not very scientific, although I understand alot. So I
will not go into things I cannot explain or discuss on my own here. You can read these people's writings for yourself to get the best understanding. I am only going to convey the basic message here.)

Cant_Be_Faded
08-29-2005, 08:46 PM
awesome shelly thanks

Shelly
08-29-2005, 08:47 PM
awesome shelly thanks


You better sleep with one eye open!

Shelly
08-29-2005, 08:49 PM
Or you could blame the bugs instead of the government



CNN.com
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Bugs may control weather: Study

LONDON, England --British scientists have launched a study to find out if airborne bugs in clouds control the Earth's weather.

Scientists believe certain bug species may have evolved the ability to manipulate the weather in order to secure their own survival.

A team of microbiologists from the University of East London (UEL) are examining if the microbes play an active role in the formation of clouds and making it rain.

Using a revolutionary "cyclonic cloud catcher", the team, led by Dr Bruce Moffett, will collect samples of cloud water from aircraft and on uplands across the UK.

These samples will then be analysed to discover the composition and activity of any microbes present.

Preliminary analysis of samples already taken from low-lying cumulus clouds near Oxford has shown the presence of micro-organisms, including ammonia-oxidising bacteria.

The 18-month pilot project, funded by a $190,000 (£130,000) grant from the Natural Environment Research Council, aims to test the theory that a self-sustaining ecosystem exists in clouds and that bacteria and algae play a key role in creating clouds and triggering rainfall.

Until now scientists have been unable to accurately detect, identify and analyse microbial communities in harsh conditions.

Dr Moffett said: "We are looking for evidence that microbial metabolism could have a major influence on patterns of climate and weather today.

"A really exciting possibility is that microbes have evolved ways of triggering cloud formation and rainfall to facilitate their own dispersal and reproduction, in other words, they could be controlling the weather."

The research could prove significant in medical and biotechnology fields, with the possibility that some of the microbes discovered may have natural screening against ultra violet rays or processes to neutralise greenhouse gases.

The study will also help scientists understand the movement of airborne pathogens such as those which spread foot-and-mouth disease among cattle.



Find this article at:
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WEATHER/05/27/bugs.weather

Cant_Be_Faded
08-29-2005, 08:49 PM
You better sleep with one eye open!


why do you say that? am i going to jail?

thispego
08-29-2005, 08:50 PM
hahah, shelly... are these gag articles?

Cant_Be_Faded
08-29-2005, 08:50 PM
Or you could blame the bugs instead of the government



CNN.com
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Bugs may control weather: Study

LONDON, England --British scientists have launched a study to find out if airborne bugs in clouds control the Earth's weather.

Scientists believe certain bug species may have evolved the ability to manipulate the weather in order to secure their own survival.

A team of microbiologists from the University of East London (UEL) are examining if the microbes play an active role in the formation of clouds and making it rain.

Using a revolutionary "cyclonic cloud catcher", the team, led by Dr Bruce Moffett, will collect samples of cloud water from aircraft and on uplands across the UK.

These samples will then be analysed to discover the composition and activity of any microbes present.

Preliminary analysis of samples already taken from low-lying cumulus clouds near Oxford has shown the presence of micro-organisms, including ammonia-oxidising bacteria.

The 18-month pilot project, funded by a $190,000 (£130,000) grant from the Natural Environment Research Council, aims to test the theory that a self-sustaining ecosystem exists in clouds and that bacteria and algae play a key role in creating clouds and triggering rainfall.

Until now scientists have been unable to accurately detect, identify and analyse microbial communities in harsh conditions.

Dr Moffett said: "We are looking for evidence that microbial metabolism could have a major influence on patterns of climate and weather today.

"A really exciting possibility is that microbes have evolved ways of triggering cloud formation and rainfall to facilitate their own dispersal and reproduction, in other words, they could be controlling the weather."

The research could prove significant in medical and biotechnology fields, with the possibility that some of the microbes discovered may have natural screening against ultra violet rays or processes to neutralise greenhouse gases.

The study will also help scientists understand the movement of airborne pathogens such as those which spread foot-and-mouth disease among cattle.



Find this article at:
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WEATHER/05/27/bugs.weather


i was thinking about this too. some people think there may be an entire network of ecosystems up in the sky that we know practically nothing about.

thispego
08-29-2005, 08:51 PM
:rolleyes

Chris
08-29-2005, 08:52 PM
Weather is not and never will be controlled.

Manu'sMagicalLeftHand
08-29-2005, 08:56 PM
I believe that before trying to control it, we should try to understand it better. Last night nobody had a real idea if the hurricane was weakening or gainning strength, if it was moving east or west, or if it was vanishing or spinning harder.

Same goes for earthquakes and other natural catastrophes. We have ideas on why they happen, their consequences, but our ability to predict and deal with this things is still very limited.

Once we arrive at a point where our scientific knowledge gives us better understanding on these events, then we should ask ourselves another question that is even harder to answer: Should the weather be controlled? Is it safe to interrumpt natural events? Will we save lives from a castastrophe, or create an enviromental chaos?

Shelly
08-29-2005, 08:57 PM
why do you say that? am i going to jail?

Because in the first article, he claims the government is controlling the weather. You never know who's watching you..

Thispego--the first one is some conspiracy theory. I found it funny. But the second is from CNN

Shelly
08-29-2005, 08:59 PM
I believe that before trying to control it, we should try to understand it better. Last night nobody had a real idea if the hurricane was weakening or gainning strength, if it was moving east or west, or if it was vanishing or spinning harder.

Same goes for earthquakes and other natural catastrophes. We have ideas on why they happen, their consequences, but our ability to predict and deal with this things is still very limited.

Once we arrive at a point where our scientific knowledge gives us better understanding on these events, then we should ask ourselves another question that is even harder to answer: Should the weather be controlled? Is it safe to interrumpt natural events? Will we save lives from a castastrophe, or create an enviromental chaos?


At least with hurricanes, blizzards, thunderstorms and tornados, there's some kind of warning. Unfortunately, they can't give you any with earthquakes.

TOP-CHERRY
08-29-2005, 09:00 PM
I believe that before trying to control it, we should try to understand it better. Last night nobody had a real idea if the hurricane was weakening or gainning strength, if it was moving east or west, or if it was vanishing or spinning harder.

Same goes for earthquakes and other natural catastrophes. We have ideas on why they happen, their consequences, but our ability to predict and deal with this things is still very limited.

Once we arrive at a point where our scientific knowledge gives us better understanding on these events, then we should ask ourselves another question that is even harder to answer: Should the weather be controlled? Is it safe to interrumpt natural events? Will we save lives from a castastrophe, or create an enviromental chaos?
Very smart post. :tu

I agree... we should first understand it WAY better before we mess with it and find up we F'd someting up and screwed ourselves.

Yup.

sickdsm
08-29-2005, 09:08 PM
I think "they" do more to control the weather than most people think.

I'm not a conspiracy sort of a guy but i believe very little i read wholeheartedly.

Just because your paranoid doen'st mean there not out to get you.

But if they every start fucking with the weather to divert damage or a deathtoll to a less populated area along the magnitude of something this large, there would be pitchforks and mobs with rope coming after those in charge.


I wonder how many people would agree with this idea if LA was going to suffer an earthquake or record proportions and they were able to divert it BUT the only way they could divert it would be to SA. Why? those idiots in SF and oakland and wherever the hell else the fault line runs along were stupid enough to live where there were high risks.

Same think in N.O.

I can't get flood insurance if i build in a flood plain, why should i have compassion for someone who lives right near the coast in a city thats below sea level?

spurschick
08-29-2005, 09:10 PM
Mother Nature will never be controlled.

Horry For 3!
08-29-2005, 09:18 PM
No it can not.

Shelly
08-29-2005, 09:18 PM
http://www.tvacres.com/images/chiffon_mothernature2.jpg

N.Y. Johnny
08-29-2005, 09:37 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/12/23/nickstahl200_narrowweb__200x265.jpg


Not anymore will we be able to control the weather ever again...Ben Hawkins was the last to do so :lmao

duncan_21
08-29-2005, 09:44 PM
I would venture to guess that to some degree we can control the weather. HARP is thought to have an affect on the weather. Just do a google search. I don't know all the technicalities to it but it puntures a hole in the atmosphere so that certain modes of communication can be sent throughout the world.

This might have something to do with the weather as a side effect. Now do I think this hurricane has anything to do with that, no. I think that we're do for a new ice age. The precursor to that is wierd abnormalities for weather for example having record hot summers, or cold winters, or droughts, or flooding, or in this case record hurricane seasons.

Just check out western europes weather in the last year. They are greatly effected by weather changes as their weather is greatly dictated by the jet streams and ocean currents that bring warm air during the winter.

They have had record cold winters in the last few years. I think something like "Day After Tommorrow" is going to happen in the next 200 years. Do a google search on global warming or ice age.

MannyIsGod
08-29-2005, 10:13 PM
In short, no.

Why?

Weather is simply the redistrubtion of energy through the earth's oceans and atmospheres. We have but the faintest grasp on how things work in regards the the entire atmosphere and how it interacts with the hydrosphere and the crust of the earth.

Katrina did a lot of things that were unusual, but for the most part it acted like a normal - albeit very strong - hurricane. The path it took made complete sense when you look at the flow pattern in the mid levels of the atmosphere. The mid levels contain the steering currents that usually guide hurricanes and other subtropical storms. Many of the unusual things may be perfectly normal, but we've only been collecting data for a very short time

The reason we can't forcast these storms is because of the complexity of the systems. It is akin to watching a pot of boiling water and trying to figure out the exact path each bubble is going to take to the surface.

Those storms serve a purpose. They transfer energy from one place that is overloaded with it. They are destructive, but unless we ever achieve a uniformly heated atmostphere along with uniformly shaped and heated oceans, and uniform shaped and heated landmasses, you are not going to be able to control the weather.

The good news with every one of these storms we are able to monitor, we learn more. The have airplanes, buoys, satellites, radar stations, ballons, ships, and probably even pigeons that all have data to collect. That data will be analyzed and in turn can be used for the forecast models.

Already this year forecast models are doing much better than last year. That is because of the info we gathered last year during the storms. It builds up each year. We get a better grasp on how things work each year and in turn can predict how it will act.

But as far as controlling the weather? I don't think we'll see that in our lifetimes if ever.

MannyIsGod
08-29-2005, 10:16 PM
Oh, and I have no real opinion on HAARP because the only thing I've ever heard about it consisted of the rantings of Art Bell when I was 18. But what I have heard sounds like bullshit to me.

Last night on Jeff Masters blog, people were saying the US government had some conspiracy in place that enabled it to deteriorate the western side of the storm.

Yeah, I call bullshit on most of these things. Hurricanes are expending more energy than the nuclear arsenals of the nations of the world combined. You expect me to believe that anyone can compete with that and not leave a noticable trace? Right.

TOP-CHERRY
08-29-2005, 10:17 PM
Well, there ya go. :)

Gosh, we have smart people in SpursTalk...

Trainwreck2100
08-29-2005, 10:21 PM
It's not just God that controls the weather.


He does

http://www.groundworks.innoved.org/captplanet.gif

Ginofan
08-29-2005, 10:23 PM
Captain Planet!
He's our hero,
Gonna take pollution down to zero!

Banks91
08-30-2005, 02:10 AM
ya'll dont think governments wouldnt want to control the weather. you could drop a tornado anywhere u want, and people just blame god. ITs the ultimate weapon

TheWriter
08-30-2005, 02:19 AM
Are you people serious?



Halle Berry controls the weather.

http://jamesbond007.net/galerie/Halle18.jpg

http://sfstory.free.fr/images/XMen/8.jpg

gospursgojas
08-30-2005, 03:20 AM
I thought it was strange that it was headed on a direct path, I mean directly towards N.O and then it took a sharp, unusually sharp eastward turn....

TheTruth
08-30-2005, 03:24 AM
Are you people serious?



Halle Berry controls the weather.

http://jamesbond007.net/galerie/Halle18.jpg

http://sfstory.free.fr/images/XMen/8.jpg
The only thing Halle Berry controls is the size of my penis.

travis2
08-30-2005, 06:55 AM
I thought it was strange that it was headed on a direct path, I mean directly towards N.O and then it took a sharp, unusually sharp eastward turn....

It's not the first one to do that...

Steering currents.

travis2
08-30-2005, 06:55 AM
I would venture to guess that to some degree we can control the weather. HARP is thought to have an affect on the weather. Just do a google search. I don't know all the technicalities to it but it puntures a hole in the atmosphere so that certain modes of communication can be sent throughout the world.

This might have something to do with the weather as a side effect. Now do I think this hurricane has anything to do with that, no. I think that we're do for a new ice age. The precursor to that is wierd abnormalities for weather for example having record hot summers, or cold winters, or droughts, or flooding, or in this case record hurricane seasons.

Just check out western europes weather in the last year. They are greatly effected by weather changes as their weather is greatly dictated by the jet streams and ocean currents that bring warm air during the winter.

They have had record cold winters in the last few years. I think something like "Day After Tommorrow" is going to happen in the next 200 years. Do a google search on global warming or ice age.

:rolleyes

samikeyp
08-30-2005, 09:35 AM
I thought it was strange that it was headed on a direct path, I mean directly towards N.O and then it took a sharp, unusually sharp eastward turn....

Voodoo, man...Voodoo. :)

MannyIsGod
08-30-2005, 09:56 AM
There was never a sharp turn with Katrina.

mookie2001
08-30-2005, 12:12 PM
anyone who doesnt think so is being very narrow sighted

youve got metorologist who can swear they cant predict these things even as good as they could 10 years ago until the last minute

tlongII
08-30-2005, 12:52 PM
We may be able to control the weather on a very limited basis in the future...possibly using cloud seeding methods that are effective. However, for the most part we won't be able to impact it.

We will be able to forecast it accurately though in time. We will eventually gain a better understanding of the environmental forces that shape the weather and be able to model it more effectively. This will aid in averting tragedies such as Katrina.

mookie2001
08-30-2005, 12:58 PM
it seems the more technology SuperDoppler 7.9 we have , the less theyre able to explain


Russians developed the science

Manu'sMagicalLeftHand
08-30-2005, 04:40 PM
it seems the more technology SuperDoppler 7.9 we have , the less theyre able to explain


Russians developed the science

Yeah, but if the Russians were controlling the weather, they would be living under 15 feet of water or ice by now.

MannyIsGod
08-30-2005, 04:52 PM
We may be able to control the weather on a very limited basis in the future...possibly using cloud seeding methods that are effective. However, for the most part we won't be able to impact it.

We will be able to forecast it accurately though in time. We will eventually gain a better understanding of the environmental forces that shape the weather and be able to model it more effectively. This will aid in averting tragedies such as Katrina.
AFAIK, cloud seeding is worthless.

MannyIsGod
08-30-2005, 04:53 PM
it seems the more technology SuperDoppler 7.9 we have , the less theyre able to explain


Russians developed the science
What the fuck are you talking about? They know much more about weather each year. But what do you expect from them?

When I told you this is very much like trying to forcast bubbles in a boiling pot of water I wasn't kidding. That is pretty much what it is.

tlongII
08-30-2005, 04:55 PM
AFAIK, cloud seeding is worthless.


Current cloud seeding methods appear to be ineffective. In time they will come up with something that works though.

MajicMan
08-30-2005, 05:00 PM
Some say the freaky weather is due to global warming. Seasons becoming more extreme like really hot hot summers and extreme winters. We surely enough will destroy our own world.