Lionel Hollins is a fine coach, tbh...

[ElNono]

He's clearly overachieving with a very modest Nyets team, tbh... he's even beating the champs while resting one of his best players...

I think the league is full of mediocre coaches, but Hollins should get his due for having his team ready to compete, a team that used to routinely mail it in last season.

[RD2191]

Meh, if Telemundo doesn't go off Spurs win comfortably imo.

[ElNono]

Meh, if Telemundo doesn't go off Spurs win comfortably imo.

True, but, Teletitties was motivated, and they also held us to our lowest fg% of the season... Boris looked like Daye today... you gotta give him some credit, tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

A great coach wouldn't of allowed a meltdown like the Nets had tonight. Dude got bailed out by lucky ass shots by Lopez and Teletobitch

[ElNono]

A great coach wouldn't of allowed a meltdown like the Nets had tonight. Dude got bailed out by lucky ass shots by Lopez and Teletobitch

I called him a fine coach, not a great coach... there's very few great coaches in the NBA, tbh... fine is already in the upper echelon, unfortunately...

[TheGreatYacht]

I called him a fine coach, not a great coach... there's very few great coaches in the NBA, tbh... fine is already in the upper echelon, unfortunately...
He still sucks IMO, Memphis' new coach was the real MVP. Anyways, Google Image his fingers, wtf happened?

[RD2191]

I do think he's a great motivater and was solid with the Grizz. I think they made a mistake letting him go.

[SpurPadre]

He's a solid coach...but he also happens to be a condescending prick. He also happens to have a guy who knows Telekinesis.

[Malik Hairston]

He's one of the 10 worst coaches in the league, tbh:lol..

[ElNono]

I like the current Memphis coach too, tbh... I think he's also a fine coach...

[DPG21920]

He's one of the 10 worst coaches in the league, tbh:lol..

[Johnny RIngo]

Eh, the loss had more to do with the Spurs just not showing up instead of anything unique that the Nets did. Bonner missing six open threes, Leonard missing layups, Duncan going 5-18, Diaw looking like Austin Daye, Enrique playing passive(rib injury?). It's not often you'll see that many Spurs playing awful at the same time. If even one of those guys plays well, we win tonight.

[Mikeanaro]

And a nice lady.

[benstanfield]

Meh. This is a 20pt Spurs win if we hit a decent amount of shots and if Pop had ever heard of Teletovic before the third quarter. Nets have a pretty dogshit roster and it's cute that Hollins can have them playing .500 ball in the East, but I don't think he's even a top 15 coach tbh.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He still sucks IMO, Memphis' new coach was the real MVP. Anyways, Google Image his fingers, wtf happened?

When new coach takes them second round let me know.

[ElNono]

I would rank him #7, tbh...

1) Pop
2) Carslile
3) Thibs
4) Joerger
5) Spoelstra
6) Vogel
7) Hollins
8) Tom Rivers
9) Bud
10) Kerr

the rest doesn't matter/is awful, tbh

[TheGreatYacht]

When new coach takes them second round let me know.
Bullshit ZBo suspension

[spurraider21]

I would rank him #7, tbh...

1) Pop
2) Carslile
3) Thibs
4) Joerger
5) Spoelstra
6) Vogel
7) Hollins
8) Tom Rivers
9) Bud
10) Kerr

the rest doesn't matter/is awful, tbh
Brett Brown tbh. he got a win with THAT team

[Floyd Pacquiao]

His go to plays were just iso's for Johnson :lol

[ElNono]

Brett Brown tbh. he got a win with THAT team

I like Brett, but time will tell if he's a good coach once he's on a team that's not tanking so blatantly...

[benstanfield]

If he's in the top 7 it's only because of how many unproven coaches or tanking teams there are. I would take a flier on Bud, Stevens, Kidd, Brown, Kerr, Hornacek, Stotts, and Malone before I would hire the coaching equivalent of Cracker Barrel

[ElNono]

That's what I was saying... it was difficult to just put together a top 10 list, tbh... and there's 30 coaches out there.

[benstanfield]

The fact that he got run out of Memphis because he hated analytics, and now the Grizz are a better team for it, is pretty much all I need to know. If I was a DIII athletic director in Iowa I would be confident that Hollins could run a fine program.

[100%duncan]

he sucks imho

[ElNono]

AFAIK, he was run out of Memphis because he got into a yelling match with Hollinger... but there's no disputing he's the best coach Memphis ever had (still holds a few records there). That's not to say Joerger isn't a fine coach himself, but Hollins at least didn't get in the way of Memphis being a great team while he was there.

[benstanfield]

AFAIK, he was run out of Memphis because he got into a yelling match with Hollinger... but there's no disputing he's the best coach Memphis ever had (still holds a few records there). That's not to say Joerger isn't a fine coach himself, but Hollins at least didn't get in the way of Memphis being a great team while he was there.

He strikes me as a coach that can make any roster a .500 club because players respect him and he gets good team D out of whoever is on the court. Memphis was a really good team when they got ZBo and Gasol went prime, plus Hollins was an undoubtedly good mentor for Mike Conley.

But with two clone teams playing each other, I think there are about 15-20 coaches in the league that could coach circles around him.

[ElNono]

He strikes me as a coach that can make any roster a .500 club because players respect him and he gets good team D out of whoever is on the court. Memphis was a really good team when they got ZBo and Gasol went prime, plus Hollins was an undoubtedly good mentor for Mike Conley.

But with two clone teams playing each other, I think there are about 15-20 coaches in the league that could coach circles around him.

Yeah, as I said earlier, I don't think he's in the "great" echelon, but looking at the field of NBA coaches, just having your team ready for games seems like above average, tbh... and he at least does that.

[benstanfield]

Yeah, as I said earlier, I don't think he's in the "great" echelon, but looking at the field of NBA coaches, just having your team ready for games seems like above average, tbh... and he at least does that.

:lol it's hard to really gauge when 1/3 of the league is losing games on purpose

[Malik Hairston]

He strikes me as a coach that can make any roster a .500 club because players respect him and he gets good team D out of whoever is on the court. Memphis was a really good team when they got ZBo and Gasol went prime, plus Hollins was an undoubtedly good mentor for Mike Conley.

But with two clone teams playing each other, I think there are about 15-20 coaches in the league that could coach circles around him.

Lionel Hollins is Byron Scott, tbh..

Scott was once known as a great defensive coach due to his Nets teams that made it to the Finals:lol..

As we saw later on with the Nets, and subsequently with the Cavs and Lakers, he's a terrible defensive coach and one of the worst coaches in recent NBA history..

Motivational coaches hardly affect a game, their effect is short-term, as we saw with Mark Jackson(everybody loved him at first and heralded him as an up and coming great coach:lol)..

[Horse]

His coaching didn't force us to miss wide open shots all night long.

[benstanfield]

Lionel Hollins is Byron Scott, tbh..

Scott was once known as a great defensive coach due to his Nets teams that made it to the Finals:lol..

As we saw later on with the Nets, and subsequently with the Cavs and Lakers, he's a terrible defensive coach and one of the worst coaches in recent NBA history..

Motivational coaches hardly affect a game, their effect is short-term, as we saw with Mark Jackson(everybody loved him at first and heralded him as an up and coming great coach:lol)..

Tom Rivers has made a career of being a motivational coach tbh:lol

I think Hollins deserves at least a little more credit than Mark Jackson. If you went into a Nets huddle you wouldn't see "HANDS DOWN MAN DOWN" on the clipboard as the defensive set

[Malik Hairston]

I'd take Bud(11-6 Hawks team with average talent, a season after making the playoffs with poor talent), Thibs, Carlisle, SVG, Kerr, Vogel, Tom Rivers, Joerger, Spoelstra, Kidd, Hornacek, Stotts, Malone, Pop and Casey over him, without a doubt, tbh..

Then a bunch of average coaches on the same level, followed by the bottom(Scott Brooks)..

[tlongII]

I would rank him #7, tbh...

1) Pop
2) Carslile
3) Thibs
4) Joerger
5) Spoelstra
6) Vogel
7) Hollins
8) Tom Rivers
9) Bud
10) Kerr

the rest doesn't matter/is awful, tbh

Stotts is top 4.

[ElNono]

Tom Rivers has made a career of being a motivational coach tbh:lol

I think Hollins deserves at least a little more credit than Mark Jackson. If you went into a Nets huddle you wouldn't see "HANDS DOWN MAN DOWN" on the clipboard as the defensive set

lol the preacher

[Malik Hairston]

Tom Rivers has made a career of being a motivational coach tbh:lol

I think Hollins deserves at least a little more credit than Mark Jackson. If you went into a Nets huddle you wouldn't see "HANDS DOWN MAN DOWN" on the clipboard as the defensive set

I think Hollins is a better coach than Jackson, but my point is that if you go back and look at what people were saying about Jackson after the Warriors made the 2nd round out the playoffs in 2013, he was seen as a very good coach with a lot of potential:lol..

[ElNono]

Stotts is horrible, tbh... only coach that didn't know how to abuse Beli on D.... just awful

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Pop
Carlisle
Spoelstra
Thibodeau
Rivers
Casey
Stotts
Kerr
Hollins
Wittman
Budenholzer
Blatt
Vogel
Malone
Hornacek
Brooks
McHale
Kidd
Williams

[cjw]

I would rank him #7, tbh...

1) Pop
2) Carslile
3) Thibs
4) Joerger
5) Spoelstra
6) Vogel
7) Hollins
8) Tom Rivers
9) Bud
10) Kerr

the rest doesn't matter/is awful, tbh


Wait, what about Scottie Brooks? :lol

[DMC]

He's one of the 10 worst coaches in the league, tbh:lol..

Divide the NBA head coaches into 3 groups,

Poor
Average
Good

I don't think Steve Kerr can be gauged yet, so putting him in the top 10 would be speculation based on team record at the moment. He hasn't done anything. Same is true for any 1st year head coach who doesn't have a head coaching resume. Remember how well Avery Johnson did in his 1st year? Where is he now?

I think Kerr will be a decent coach, but he's not spent a lot of time moving up the coaching ladder. I think guys who move from player to head coach (I know he was a GM) miss out on a lot of training that probably needs to happen.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I would rank him #7, tbh...

1) Pop
2) Carslile
3) Thibs
4) Joerger
5) Spoelstra
6) Vogel
7) Hollins
8) Tom Rivers
9) Bud
10) Kerr

the rest doesn't matter/is awful, tbh


Brad Stevens deserves a mention, he's fantastic.

[ElNono]

Brad Stevens deserves a mention, he's fantastic.

Did nothing on the NBA yet... His first season is a 25-57 suckfest...

[Malik Hairston]

Divide the NBA head coaches into 3 groups,

Poor
Average
Good

I don't think Steve Kerr can be gauged yet, so putting him in the top 10 would be speculation based on team record at the moment. He hasn't done anything. Same is true for any 1st year head coach who doesn't have a head coaching resume. Remember how well Avery Johnson did in his 1st year? Where is he now?

I think Kerr will be a decent coach, but he's not spent a lot of time moving up the coaching ladder. I think guys who move from player to head coach (I know he was a GM) miss out on a lot of training that probably needs to happen.

Well if we're going to eliminate all the inexperienced, new coaches, then that doesn't leave too many to judge:lol..

Good: Thibs, Carlisle, Van Gundy, Spoelstra, Pop, Joerger
Average: Vogel, McHale, Tom Rivers, Casey, Wittman, Hollins, Stotts
Poor: Shaw, Scott, Saunders, Monty Williams, Brooks

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Did nothing on the NBA yet... His first season is a 25-57 suckfest...


He's got a shitty roster. Celtics aren't great but still compete every single night despite a crappy roster. They need to work on not blowing games in the fourth but I'd gladly take Stevens as a Pop replacement over anyone Pop has on his bench as an assistant.

[MaNu4Tres]

Did nothing on the NBA yet... His first season is a 25-57 suckfest...

In a short sample of games, 1-3 years; especially w/ less than a marginally talented roster, you can't judge a coach solely on the record.

I watch quite a bit of basketball ( not just the Spurs), Stephens has to be in the top 10 at the very least. IMO. Hollins is near the bottom. IMO

[MaNu4Tres]

1. Pop
2. Carlisle
3. Thibs
4. Spoelstra
5. Budenholzer
6. Hornacek
7. Stephens
8. Kerr (you may question his sample size, but in his limited sample size he's mentally ahead of the coaches I listed at 10.)
9. Rivers
10a) Vogel
10b) Joerger
10c) Stotts

[testies]

People overrate coaches too much these days

their impact is on the 10 to 15th percentile

[Raven]

I would rank him #7, tbh...

1) Pop
2) Carslile
3) Thibs
4) Joerger
5) Spoelstra
6) Vogel
7) Hollins
8) Tom Rivers
9) Bud
10) Kerr

the rest doesn't matter/is awful, tbh

very solid ranking tbh.

[ElNono]

1. Pop
2. Carlisle
3. Thibs
4. Spoelstra
5. Budenholzer
6. Hornacek
7. Stephens
8. Kerr (you may question his sample size, but in his limited sample size he's mentally ahead of the coaches I listed at 10.)
9. Rivers
10a) Vogel
10b) Joerger
10c) Stotts

:lol that's racist, tbh

[ElNono]

In a short sample of games, 1-3 years; especially w/ less than a marginally talented roster, you can't judge a coach solely on the record.

I watch quite a bit of basketball ( not just the Spurs), Stephens has to be in the top 10 at the very least. IMO. Hollins is near the bottom. IMO

There are no moral victories, IMO. Their record *is* what they have to show for their work. You could talk me into some coach doing above average by posting a .500 record with an abysmal/cancerous roster, but otherwise, the proof is really in the pudding.

[MaNu4Tres]

There are no moral victories, IMO. Their record *is* what they have to show for their work. You could talk me into some coach doing above average by posting a .500 record with an abysmal/cancerous roster, but otherwise, the proof is really in the pudding.

Agree to disagree. When assessing a coaches ability, there's many variables that are more relevant than an unjust W/L record especially after 1 season.

I.E: offensive philosophy, defensive philosophy, game management (time management, player management, players minute distribution, lineup distribution), awareness and the implementation of adjustments needed in the middle of play and at start of 2nd half (how quickly coaches are able to exploit mismatches or avoid the exploitation of mismatches by the opposition, recognizing the strengths and weaknesses of each player and putting the players in best position to succeed, out of bounds plays, ect.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lionel Hollins is Byron Scott, tbh..

Scott was once known as a great defensive coach due to his Nets teams that made it to the Finals:lol..

As we saw later on with the Nets, and subsequently with the Cavs and Lakers, he's a terrible defensive coach and one of the worst coaches in recent NBA history..

Motivational coaches hardly affect a game, their effect is short-term, as we saw with Mark Jackson(everybody loved him at first and heralded him as an up and coming great coach:lol)..

This is dumb. His Nets team just defended us better than anyone else to this point of the season; he has done that with the Nets and Grizz. That is at two different locales so even if your rationale was logical -it isn't- then you don't even meet your own standard.

Try harder. Maybe do some blind tech worship again or the like.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Agree to disagree. When assessing a coaches ability, there's many variables that are more relevant than an unjust W/L record especially after 1 season.

I.E: offensive philosophy, defensive philosophy, game management (time management, player management, players minute distribution, lineup distribution), awareness and the implementation of adjustments needed in the middle of play and at start of 2nd half (how quickly coaches are able to exploit mismatches or avoid the exploitation of mismatches by the opposition, recognizing the strengths and weaknesses of each player and putting the players in best position to succeed, out of bounds plays, ect.

You belie your veracity when you rate Kerr so high. Nice sophistry though.

[Malik Hairston]

This is dumb. His Nets team just defended us better than anyone else to this point of the season; he has done that with the Nets and Grizz. That is at two different locales so even if your rationale was logical -it isn't- then you don't even meet your own standard.

Try harder. Maybe do some blind tech worship again or the like.

What has he done with the Nets? They have an average defense this season, and their defensive metrics are virtually the same as the 2nd half of last year after they turned it around with Kidd(once they established a little chemistry, obviously)..so ya, he hasn't done anything with the Nets, they are 20th in SRS and are under .500, they're worse than they were last year with Kidd..

Hollins has actually made their offense even worse(they ranked in the top 3 in isolation plays last year, they're somehow worse this season) than last year..sorry..

If they finish the season with a top 10 defense, I'll eat crow..

[hater]

Kerr, preacha, Milhouse's dad they are all the same mediocre shit

there's a reason why they all rotate between ESPN gigs and coaching gigs :lol

[Uriel]

:lmao @ biased Spurs fans already declaring Bud, who hasn't accomplished anything in this league as a head coach yet, as a top 5 coach in the NBA

[Venti Quattro]

:lol Hollins fired by Hollinger for being shouted at

[Tuddy]

If a head coach's job consists of motivating & holding players accountable, you would think that a lot of the X's & O's fall on the assistants. I think it's pretty hard to get an exact measure on most of the head coach's apart from the top couple.

[exstatic]

He's clearly overachieving with a very modest Nyets team, tbh... he's even beating the champs while resting one of his best players...

I think the league is full of mediocre coaches, but Hollins should get his due for having his team ready to compete, a team that used to routinely mail it in last season.

Hollins will always fail in the long run because he doesn't believe in analytics or advanced stats. He insisted on closing games with Gay in Memphis instead of Allen, when the numbers clearly showed otherwise. That's why he got run.

You can't find an MLB manager now that doesn't at least pay lip service to Moneyball. It took 10-12 years, but the dinosaurs are gone. The NBA will be the same, and guys like Hollins will be reduced to TV gigs and talking about the good old days.

[ElNono]

Hollins will always fail in the long run because he doesn't believe in analytics or advanced stats. He insisted on closing games with Gay in Memphis instead of Allen, when the numbers clearly showed otherwise. That's why he got run.

You can't find an MLB manager now that doesn't at least pay lip service to Moneyball. It took 10-12 years, but the dinosaurs are gone. The NBA will be the same, and guys like Hollins will be reduced to TV gigs and talking about the good old days.

I never bought into the story that Hollins doesn't believe in analytics... Analytics themselves should be just another tool in an ample toolset that includes many other things, including coaching, mentoring, psychology, etc... even Pop doesn't play moneyball all the time...

I mean, what does Hollinger or Morey have to show for all the alleged superior number crunching? You don't need analytics to know Memphis has needed outside shooting for 3+ seasons now. Houston needs to put down the calculator and look at who's coaching.

Analytics are a great tool, but they're just that. There's much more behind the numbers.

[Daniel Sedin]

Did nothing on the NBA yet... His first season is a 25-57 suckfest...

:lol come on Nono... that is not his fault..

[exstatic]

I never bought into the story that Hollins doesn't believe in analytics... Analytics themselves should be just another tool in an ample toolset that includes many other things, including coaching, mentoring, psychology, etc... even Pop doesn't play moneyball all the time...
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/1/11/3866592/lionel-hollins-memphis-grizzlies-interview-2012


I mean, what does Hollinger or Morey have to show for all the alleged superior number crunching? You don't need analytics to know Memphis has needed outside shooting for 3+ seasons now. Houston needs to put down the calculator and look at who's coaching.

The coach has to be on board or it doesn't matter what the front office does.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What has he done with the Nets? They have an average defense this season, and their defensive metrics are virtually the same as the 2nd half of last year after they turned it around with Kidd(once they established a little chemistry, obviously)..so ya, he hasn't done anything with the Nets, they are 20th in SRS and are under .500, they're worse than they were last year with Kidd..

Hollins has actually made their offense even worse(they ranked in the top 3 in isolation plays last year, they're somehow worse this season) than last year..sorry..

If they finish the season with a top 10 defense, I'll eat crow..

Look at the roster. It is not hard to fathom. He has DWill and the corpse of Johnson and Garnett and a roster that goes maybe 7 deep.

Having that bottom roster at around .500 considering half their games have come against the West is overachieving in my book.

You are pulling up arbitrary stats that you have not shown to correlate to scoring points much less win then applying a value judgment to offense based on that ranking. Your statistical analysis is without basis and as I said before, you don't know how to evaluate.

[ElNono]

:lol come on Nono... that is not his fault..

:lol well, then let's just leave it at inconclusive yet... I have no problem with that. I'm just not ready to anoint unknowns as good coaches...

[ElNono]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/1/11/3866592/lionel-hollins-memphis-grizzlies-interview-2012

But he didn't say he doesn't believe in analytics. He said the media nowadays builds all sorts of house of cards with analytics to prop up or knock down any given player, and he's right about that. By the numbers, Bonner should never see the floor over Splitter or Diaw, but sometimes matchups dictate he's the right guy for the job (like starting against OKC last playoffs). Now, Pop won't get bitched at because he's Pop.


The coach has to be on board or it doesn't matter what the front office does.

Well, I think that's why they parted ways primarily... but not necessarily because "he doesn't believe in analytics". I think he wanted to keep building Memphis one way and management thought the road was different. That happens.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Hollins made the Grizzlies a great team and made them play the right way despite adopting a style that wasn't followed elsewhere in the league (using two big men with a 7'2'' big man at the elbow and the other at the post).. He got them to be a top 3 defensive team for the better part of his coaching tenure. He got them to go to the WCF where they lost to the Spurs who were bent on revenge after the humiliation in 2011.

He was unceremoniously sacked by the Grizzlies establishment last year. The current team is more or less as good as the Hollins coached team except it has better perimeter players (Conley by improvement, Lee & Allen > Prince & Allen, old age Carter and so on).

For the Nets, which are a very flawed, overpaid squad, Hollins has not replicated the Grizzlies approach. Instead he has tried to make them play as a guard-forward oriented team, basically to their strengths and focused more on defense. He has empowered Teletovic and Bogdanovic to become starters and has lessened the need to depend upon Lopez/ Williams. They also iso less than last year when Iso-Joe dominated a lot of play.

The improvement has been in their defensive end, where they are far better than last year..and ranked around 13th in the league as compared to 18th last season.

When the Nets lose their dross and finetune their squad better, Hollins will really get them even better. As of now, he is make doing with a poorly constructed roster.

Bottomline.. He is a damn fine coach. More of a traditionaist but he is no Byron Scott or Brian Shaw.

[Horse]

This is dumb. His Nets team just defended us better than anyone else to this point of the season; he has done that with the Nets and Grizz. That is at two different locales so even if your rationale was logical -it isn't- then you don't even meet your own standard.

Try harder. Maybe do some blind tech worship again or the like.

Did you not see all the wide open shots we missed? And even a few close looks right at the basket. Classic night of cold shooting. The funny thing is even in the loss you could see we're light years ahead of Brooklyn.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Did you not see all the wide open shots we missed? And even a few close looks right at the basket. Classic night of cold shooting. The funny thing is even in the loss you could see we're light years ahead of Brooklyn.

Did you not see his guy prepared for our moves without the ball particularly off pnr and penetration? Did you not see them keep up with motion out of horns swinging the ball back and forth across the court 3 and 4 times where most teams give up wide open looks?

Yeah our shooting was shit but so was their outside of Televic or whatever his name is.

[TheGreatYacht]

Well if we're going to eliminate all the inexperienced, new coaches, then that doesn't leave too many to judge:lol..

Good: Thibs, Carlisle, Van Gundy, Spoelstra, Pop, Joerger
Average: Vogel, McHale, Tom Rivers, Casey, Wittman, Hollins, Stotts
Poor: Shaw, Scott, Saunders, Monty Williams, Brooks
The Van Gundy you have listed as "Good" better be Jeff... :lol

That fat slob in Detroit is an absolute mess and somehow managed to ruin Drummond's potential

[exstatic]

Did you not see his guy prepared for our moves without the ball particularly off pnr and penetration? Did you not see them keep up with motion out of horns swinging the ball back and forth across the court 3 and 4 times where most teams give up wide open looks?

Yeah our shooting was shit but so was their outside of Televic or whatever his name is.

Did you not see them adjust the rims to be tighter than a bowstring?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Did you not see them adjust the rims to be tighter than a bowstring?

That does not preclude anything.

[Malik Hairston]

:lmao losing by 20 at home to the Hawks :lmao

[ElNono]

:lmao losing by 20 at home to the Hawks :lmao

:lol it can fail sometimes

[TheGreatYacht]

Teletobitch 0/4 shooting...

[Malik Hairston]

Nets have lost back-to-back games by a combined 74 points :lmao:lmao:lmao

Might be time to hire a real coach soon, tbh, Hollins is lucky Byron Scott is in the NBA..

[Spurs9]

Nets have lost back-to-back games by a combined 74 points :lmao:lmao:lmao

Might be time to hire a real coach soon, tbh, Hollins is lucky Byron Scott is in the NBA..

:wow

[ElNono]

How do you delete threads if you're not a mod, tbh? :lol