Hmmm trust PBS or TSA and the Breitbart takes he parrots. . . . . . hmmmmmmm

[TheSanityAnnex]

Hmmm trust PBS or TSA and the Breitbart takes he parrots. . . . . . hmmmmmmm

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/pbs_zpse0263eea.png (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/thefuzzylumpkins/media/pbs_zpse0263eea.png.html)
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/newly-released-witness-testimony-tell-us-michael-brown-shooting/


http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/pbschart_zpsb43b780f.jpg (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/thefuzzylumpkins/media/pbschart_zpsb43b780f.jpg.html)

http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1499/4375/original.jpg (http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1499/4375/original.jpg)

:lmao

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/pbs_zpse0263eea.png (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/thefuzzylumpkins/media/pbs_zpse0263eea.png.html)
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/newly-released-witness-testimony-tell-us-michael-brown-shooting/


http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s679/thefuzzylumpkins/pbschart_zpsb43b780f.jpg (http://s1311.photobucket.com/user/thefuzzylumpkins/media/pbschart_zpsb43b780f.jpg.html)

http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1499/4375/original.jpg (http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1499/4375/original.jpg)

:lmao


Mind you guys, he pulled this from a blog whose banner is:

http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/breitbart_banner.jpg

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/12/02/the-mike-brown-pbs-lie-chart-the-false-pbs-claims-deconstructed-visually/

I don't find it credible.


I know that your chart was taking information outside of the GJ testimonies as they talk about radio and TV broadcasts repeatedly. You didn't even read your own chart or check what the source was.

:lol critical thinking

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I must say making the new thread using the exact phrase you're butthurt about for the title is MONUFUCKINGMENTAL.

:lol simpleton

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't find it credible


I haven't read all the transcripts so I have not commented on it one way or another

You admit to not reading the witness transcripts yet somehow are able to not find it credible. :lmao

You are such a stupid fuck.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You admit to not reading the witness transcripts yet somehow are able to not find it credible. :lmao

You are such a stupid fuck.

Again, your chart does not even meet your own standard. You can call me stupid all you like but you miss the forest for trees. Looking at the comments by your Breitbart piece it just screams about the obvious lack of real cross examination as they try to perform cross on their own. You don't seem to understand the point of pursuing truth and what I am saying about the prosecutors conflict of interest.

I'm sure you will find all manner of attorney types to argue on the behalf of Wilson. One was running the GJ too. But go google some more and have fun, I'm going to watch the game.

[ohmwrecker]

You admit to not reading the witness transcripts yet somehow are able to not find it credible. :lmao

You are such a stupid fuck.

It's weird that this is so important to you.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Again, your chart does not even meet your own standard. You can call me stupid all you like but you miss the forest for trees. Looking at the comments by your Breitbart piece it just screams about the obvious lack of real cross examination as they try to perform cross on their own. You don't seem to understand the point of pursuing truth and what I am saying about the prosecutors conflict of interest.

I'm sure you will find all manner of attorney types to argue on the behalf of Wilson. One was running the GJ too. But go google some more and have fun, I'm going to watch the game.
I noticed inconsistencies in your chart having actually read the witness statements, something you've yet to do. And it's not my chart. I simply found it in the comments section when looking at the link to your chart. You've yet to read the witness statements yet are somehow able to claim one is valid and one is not. Try again.

[TheSanityAnnex]

It's weird that this is so important to you.
I enjoy watching Fuzzy flail around.

[ohmwrecker]

I enjoy watching Fuzzy flail around.

I get that, but I probably would've picked a different battle.

[SupremeGuy]

I get that, but I probably would've picked a different battle.Why?

[ohmwrecker]

Why?

I.ve determined that it is pointless to get involved in any kind of discourse with you. It would not benefit me in the least.

[SupremeGuy]

I.ve determined that it is pointless to get involved in any kind of discourse with you. It would not benefit me in the least.That's some weak question-dodging, tbh. Even for you. :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

I get that, but I probably would've picked a different battle.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you involved in a "battle" with Avante?

And lol at "battle". We are on a sports message board, do you take things that seriously here?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Alright Fuzzy Cowboys won. Did you have time to read the witness statements yet?

[ohmwrecker]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't you involved in a "battle" with Avante?

And lol at "battle". We are on a sports message board, do you take things that seriously here?

I meant battle figuratively. Not a literal battle.

And no, I was never in a battle with Avante.

[ohmwrecker]

That's some weak question-dodging, tbh. Even for you. :lol

Even for me? I'm not dodging your question. I know where you stand on the issue. I do not anticipate an intelligent discussion/debate with you. I'm not interested.

[unleashbaynes]

god damn dude we get it, you dont wanna look at the issue any deeper. just move the fuck on and keep thinking all that protesting was over michael brown and not the fact that that entire community was a racial powderkeg waiting to blow.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I noticed inconsistencies in your chart having actually read the witness statements, something you've yet to do. And it's not my chart. I simply found it in the comments section when looking at the link to your chart. You've yet to read the witness statements yet are somehow able to claim one is valid and one is not. Try again.

You posted the chart and allowed it to speak for you in place of demonstrating the 'inconsistencies in (my) chart.' It's your chart but it's entertaining to watch you distance yourself from it.

You are too dumb to make the argument on your own? You claim to have read the chart. Make your own argument. I don't think you can do it; as I have said you are not particularly bright.

Until you address the conflict of interest my position subsumes what you are trying to claim but by all means flail around.

[RD2191]

Lol OP is a faggot

[Clipper Nation]

god damn dude we get it, you dont wanna look at the issue any deeper. just move the fuck on and keep thinking all that protesting was over michael brown and not the fact that that entire community was a racial powderkeg waiting to blow.

No, it was about Brown at first. Then once people realized how much the media was lying, people started conveniently moving the goalposts to a more vague open-ended racial/police brutality issue to save face.

[TheSanityAnnex]

god damn dude we get it, you dont wanna look at the issue any deeper. just move the fuck on and keep thinking all that protesting was over michael brown and not the fact that that entire community was a racial powderkeg waiting to blow.

There is a deeper issue with blacks being targeted by police but this wasn't the one to rally around you stupid fuck. Black guy robs store, black guy assaults store owner, black guy assaults cop, black guy goes for cops firearm, black charges cop, black guy dies. Yeah let's burn our town down that will show them!

[TheSanityAnnex]

You posted the chart and allowed it to speak for you in place of demonstrating the 'inconsistencies in (my) chart.' It's your chart but it's entertaining to watch you distance yourself from it.

You are too dumb to make the argument on your own? You claim to have read the chart. Make your own argument. I don't think you can do it; as I have said you are not particularly bright.

Until you address the conflict of interest my position subsumes what you are trying to claim but by all means flail around.

This isn't about my chart your chart. the second chart i found when reading the pbs charts comment section was an easy laugh at your chart.

I'm sitting here laughing at you for trying to argue either chart considering you've admitted to having not read any of the witness statements that were provided. You're treading into WC territory tonight.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I meant battle figuratively. Not a literal battle.

And no, I was never in a battle with Avante.
Please tell, what is a battle worth fighting figuratively on the Internet that you are proud to have been involved in

[m>s]

Even for me? I'm not dodging your question. I know where you stand on the issue. I do not anticipate an intelligent discussion/debate with you. I'm not interested.
What a pussy ugh

[unleashbaynes]

There is a deeper issue with blacks being targeted by police but this wasn't the one to rally around you stupid fuck. Black guy robs store, black guy assaults store owner, black guy assaults cop, black guy goes for cops firearm, black charges cop, black guy dies. Yeah let's burn our town down that will show them!

how about cop beats man half to death, then charges the man with "destroying police property" for bleeding on his uniform, how does that sound you cop fellating faggot?

[spurraider21]

how about cop beats man half to death, then charges the man with "destroying police property" for bleeding on his uniform, how does that sound you cop fellating faggot?
thats fucked up. were the charges for destroying property successful?

whats funny to me is, the people on brown's side accuse the other guys of trying to smear Brown's image based on his previous acts... but they had no problem smearing the ferguson police based on their previous acts (and not even Wilson's himself)

[ohmwrecker]

What a pussy ugh

I just don't see the point. How you doing, buddy?

[ohmwrecker]

Please tell, what is a battle worth fighting figuratively on the Internet that you are proud to have been involved in

Nothing really. I just don't see the point in tail chasing. If you're entertained, by all means, proceed.

[m>s]

I just don't see the point. How you doing, buddy?
Neat shtick fag I'm doing just great

[ohmwrecker]

Neat shtick fag I'm doing just great

I'm not doing a schtick. Settle down.

[TheSanityAnnex]

how about cop beats man half to death, then charges the man with "destroying police property" for bleeding on his uniform, how does that sound you cop fellating faggot?

That sounds like something to get upset over. Mike Brown, not so much. After seeing all the evidence presented in the Brown case are you really trying to claim the shooting wasn't justified and the protesters were right to burn and loot their city based on the hands up don't shoot lie? Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

[leemajors]

That sounds like something to get upset over. Mike Brown, not so much. After seeing all the evidence presented in the Brown case are you really trying to claim the shooting wasn't justified and the protesters were right to burn and loot their city based on the hands up don't shoot lie? Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit.

bag anything last week?

[TheSanityAnnex]

bag anything last week?

Unfortunately no. I took my girlfriend in the blind with me because she's never been and we had a bad wind that was blowing her scent right towards the deer. None came closer than 70 yards and that's too risky with a bow. Had a great time though, weather was perfect and I got to learn to cut cattle, that was a blast. Stayed on my cousins ranch near Hamilton Pool, I could definitely live in that area, reminds a ton of where I live now.

[m>s]

I'm not doing a schtick. Settle down.
Oh

[boutons_deux]

right-wingers hate govt but love govt cops killing blacks (and killing and bombing Muslim countries)

[m>s]

Those Muslims would cut your head off boy

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Apparently TheSanityAnnex desperately wants to revisit this discussion.

Anyone have any feeling about PBS as a source for news?

[spurraider21]

Apparently TheSanityAnnex (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=4389) desperately wants to revisit this discussion.

Anyone have any feeling about PBS as a source for news?
they hate the right because romney threatened them

[TheSanityAnnex]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...91#post7724991 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241859&page=2&p=7724991#post7724991)

I was discussing them before and we got to the point in the link above at which point you ran away. If you want to discuss the issue of testimony with me, you can do it in that thread or not at all.

You didn't discuss anything concerning the witness testimonies and simply posted a chart that was inaccurate. Have you read the testimonies yet yes or no?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You didn't discuss anything concerning the witness testimonies and simply posted a chart that was inaccurate. Have you read the testimonies yet yes or no?

Sure I have discussed plenty of things regarding the testimonies. You are just butthurt because I will not talk about them in the manner you want me to.

If you want to discuss something being accurate you had best be prepared to talk about the physical evidence. All you have done is repost something from your Breitbart go to site on the subject. That is what precipitated your meltdown in this thread. I'm still going to go with PBS who still stands by their article over your poor regurgitations of someone else's thoughts.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Sure I have discussed plenty of things regarding the testimonies.You have not discussed any of the new testimonies that were released.


You are just butthurt because I will not talk about them in the manner you want me to.You refuse to discuss the testimonies that directly contradict your claims of what happened.


If you want to discuss something being accurate you had best be prepared to talk about the physical evidence. All you have done is repost something from your Breitbart go to site on the subject. That is what precipitated your meltdown in this thread. I'm still going to go with PBS who still stands by their article over your poor regurgitations of someone else's thoughts.You posted that chart after admitting you had not read the testimonies. How can you stand by your PBS chart if you have not read the testimonies on your own to verify the accuracy? Before you posted your inaccurate PBS chart I had already linked and was discussing over 200 pages of actual testimony. Do you need me to repost the link to the testimonies or have you finally read them?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You have not discussed any of the new testimonies that were released.

You refuse to discuss the testimonies that directly contradict your claims of what happened.

You posted that chart after admitting you had not read the testimonies. How can you stand by your PBS chart if you have not read the testimonies on your own to verify the accuracy? Before you posted your inaccurate PBS chart I had already linked and was discussing over 200 pages of actual testimony. Do you need me to repost the link to the testimonies or have you finally read them?

I suggest you go and look up the nature of eyewitness testimony and then reevaluate your takes on accuracy. There is a reason why I brought up the physical evidence even if you haven't figured it out yet. You are clueless atm.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I suggest you go and look up the nature of eyewitness testimony and then reevaluate your takes on accuracy. There is a reason why I brought up the physical evidence even if you haven't figured it out yet. You are clueless atm.

Before I waste anymore time with you have you read through the 200+ pages of witness testimony I posted yes or no?

[TheSanityAnnex]

I'm still going to go with PBS who still stands by their article over your poor regurgitations of someone else's thoughts.I just went back to look at your PBS chart and what did I find... one of the contributors to the chart Travis Daub is in the process of revising the mistakes on their chart, interesting.

[Th'Pusher]

Before I waste anymore time with you...

:lol you've been begging him to waste your time for several weeks now.

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lol you've been begging him to waste your time for several weeks now.

I swear you've got an anklebiter alarm set up.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Before I waste anymore time with you have you read through the 200+ pages of witness testimony I posted yes or no?

Right after you read up on the nature of eye witnesses and the purpose and methodology of a homicide investigation.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I just went back to look at your PBS chart and what did I find... one of the contributors to the chart Travis Daub is in the process of revising the mistakes on their chart, interesting.

It was revised some time ago for:


Ed. Note: The table has been updated to more accurately reflect the witness testimony of Officer Darren Wilson, and language about witness testimony was clarified to say witness statements.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/table-finalfinalup4.png

Same conclusions. Most people said he was fired on while running away and put his hands up. You can handwave at your intent arguments but I will point you to your research into the nature of eye witness testimony and investigative methods into discerning the truth of events.

[TheSanityAnnex]

It was revised some time ago for:



http://www.pbs.org/newshour/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/table-finalfinalup4.png

Same conclusions. Most people said he was fired on while running away and put his hands up. You can handwave at your intent arguments but I will point you to your research into the nature of eye witness testimony and investigative methods into discerning the truth of events.

There are more revisions coming by Daub. The contributors were put on blast and rightfully so.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Right after you read up on the nature of eye witnesses and the purpose and methodology of a homicide investigation.
Still haven't read them I see, so much for your claims of being a truth seeker. Pathetic.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Still haven't read them I see, so much for your claims of being a truth seeker. Pathetic.

I have read them and you are full of shit. Make your own argument. You cannot do it.

As for the 'blast' of the PBS piece please link the proof of that. You are long on assertions and devoid of proof.

[spurraider21]

i sincerely doubt TSA actually read through every single witness statement :lol

its just coming off as "oh, YOU haven't read it? then i win this argument by default"

[TheSanityAnnex]

Of course I read through every single witness statement, I am emotionally invested in this case.

[ohmwrecker]

Of course I read through every single witness statement, I am emotionally invested in this case.

Why?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Why?Because I too have been unfairly targeted by law enforcement and arrested under false charges.

[ohmwrecker]

Because I too have been unfairly targeted by law enforcement and arrested under false charges.

Your stance on the the matter seems strange considering.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Your stance on the the matter seems strange considering.
How so?

[ohmwrecker]

How so?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that you are pro-police. Not just on this issue either.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that you are pro-police. Not just on this issue either.
I will correct you, I am not pro-police. The majority of my interactions with police have been negative. I'm still alive though so there's that.

[ohmwrecker]

I will correct you, I am not pro-police. The majority of my interactions with police have been negative. I'm still alive though so there's that.

So, you just don't like black people? I'm confused.

[TheSanityAnnex]

So, you just don't like black people? I'm confused.
I was born in Los Angeles and went to school in Long Beach, been around black people my whole life. I like all black people that are good people. Why bring up race?

[ohmwrecker]

I just don't understand your angle on the Michael Brown case specifically, and cases involving police killing unarmed minorities generally. Especially considering what you're telling me now.

[spurraider21]

I just don't understand your angle on the Michael Brown case specifically, and cases involving police killing unarmed minorities generally. Especially considering what you're telling me now.
if michael brown was an unarmed white man to get killed by the police, would you care as much?

[TheSanityAnnex]

I just don't understand your angle on the Michael Brown case specifically, and cases involving police killing unarmed minorities generally. Especially considering what you're telling me now.
What was my angle in the Mike Brown case?

[ohmwrecker]

if michael brown was an unarmed white man to get killed by the police, would you care as much?

Yes. Why wouldn't I?

[ohmwrecker]

What was my angle in the Mike Brown case?

My perception is apparently wrong, so maybe you should clarify.

[TheSanityAnnex]

My perception is apparently wrong, so maybe you should clarify.
I can't clarify if I don't know what angle you think I had.

[spurraider21]

Yes. Why wouldn't I?
because you keep making it a point that he was a black man... just seems like it has added some extra fuel for many, including yourself

[ohmwrecker]

because you keep making it a point that he was a black man... just seems like it has added some extra fuel for many, including yourself
I think there is an issue between blacks and the police which is specific and unique to them and I understand their frustration. My main focus is the increasing, unchecked, unpunished non prosecution violence against all Americans perpetrated by law enforcement.

[ohmwrecker]

I can't clarify if I don't know what angle you think I had.
Again, correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that you took the side of no wrong doing by Wilson, Brown was a thug and deserved to die and blacks have no reason to be upset.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Again, correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that you took the side of no wrong doing by Wilson, Brown was a thug and deserved to die and blacks have no reason to be upset.

Why does it confuse you that I like black people and still think there was no wrong doing by Wilson and the people of Ferguson had no reason to burn their town down? Are you confused by the blacks that share the same opinion as me?

[ohmwrecker]

Why does it confuse you that I like black people and still think there was no wrong doing by Wilson and the people of Ferguson had no reason to burn their town down? Are you confused by the blacks that share the same opinion as me?

I'm not confused by that. I had no idea how you felt about black people until I asked. Personally, I have no trouble separating the people who are legitimately angry, hurt and frustrated by the situation and criminal opportunists who burn and loot. A lot of people just lump them all together and I find that very upsetting. For the record, it is not my intention to insult or offend you. I am just trying to understand your position on, what seems to me to be, a very complicated issue that has a much wider scope than this specific case.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I'm not confused by that. I had no idea how you felt about black people until I asked. Personally, I have no trouble separating the people who are legitimately angry, hurt and frustrated by the situation and criminal opportunists who burn and loot. A lot of people just lump them all together and I find that very upsetting. For the record, it is not my intention to insult or offend you. I am just trying to understand your position on, what seems to me to be, a very complicated issue that has a much wider scope than this specific case.

If Wilson's account is to be believed as the grand jury did, is their anger even legitimate?

[ohmwrecker]

I don't believe Wilson is being completely honest and I feel that he had an opportunity to avoid escalating the situation if he was indeed first attacked in his cruiser. Also, tension was apparently high between the police and the black community in Ferguson prior to the shooting. So, yes... I think the anger is legitimate.

[spurraider21]

I don't believe Wilson is being completely honest and I feel that he had an opportunity to avoid escalating the situation if he was indeed first attacked in his cruiser. Also, tension was apparently high between the police and the black community in Ferguson prior to the shooting. So, yes... I think the anger is legitimate.
why do you think that is? anything to do with Ferguson being 67% AA and yet only 3 officers in the police department are black?

or that ferguson in general has high crime rates? (http://www.areavibes.com/ferguson-mo/crime/). and that high crime tends to lead to increased police interaction

[ohmwrecker]

I would say that both of those statistics would be contributing factors.