Who are your CFP 4?

[DMX7]

Not who you think will be the 4 but who should be the 4...

Mine:

1. Alabama
2. Florida State
3. Oregon
4. TCU

I give the nod to TCU over Baylor because Baylor played a complete scrub non-conference schedule and lost to a bad West Virgina team. They did beat TCU but it was at home and it took a miracle comeback which I don't think they could pull off again. I think TCU is the better team. Ohio State is good but the Big 10 is horrible and they beat Minnesota, a common opponent with TCU, by only one score whereas TCU beat Minnesota down hard.

[NFO]

Not who you think will be the 4 but who should be the 4...

Mine:

1. Alabama
2. Florida State
3. Oregon
4. TCU

I give the nod to TCU over Baylor because Baylor played a complete scrub non-conference schedule and lost to a bad West Virgina team. They did beat TCU but it was at home and it took a miracle comeback which I don't think they could pull off again. I think TCU is the better team. Ohio State is good but the Big 10 is horrible and they beat Minnesota, a common opponent with TCU, by only one score whereas TCU beat Minnesota down hard.

TCU also didn't win a conference championship game. Also the common opponent TCU played at home and Ohio State played on the road in 15 degree (-1 wind chill). Plus Minnesota scored a garbage time TD in that game. It is down to TCU and Ohio State. Baylor doesn't stand a chance IMO. But if the committee puts in Ohio State they don't have to deal with the TCU-Baylor head to head game issue.

[pgardn]

TCU also didn't win a conference championship game. Also the common opponent TCU played at home and Ohio State played on the road in 15 degree (-1 wind chill). Plus Minnesota scored a garbage time TD in that game. It is down to TCU and Ohio State. Baylor doesn't stand a chance IMO. But if the committee puts in Ohio State they don't have to deal with the TCU-Baylor head to head game issue.

Ohio st has by far the worse loss of any top 6 team.

[NFO]

Ohio st has by far the worse loss of any top 6 team.

No doubt there. Ohio State's SOS is better than TCU and Baylor, albeit not by much.

[Pelicans78]

If FSU is not number one as an undefeated team then they shouldn't be in the top 4 since TCU and Ohio State have looked better as well.

[JMarkJohns]

Why is Ohio State's SOS better? Who did they play? Michigan State who lost their only significant games? Wisconsin who lost their only significant games? Minnesota who lost their only significant games?

1. Oregon - destroying legit teams with multiple top-25 wins
2. Alabama - beating soundly legit teams with multiple top-25 wins
3. Florida State - beating every team, but barely
4. TCU - no bad loss, several solid wins in top-3 Conference

Ohio State has beaten names, but how good were they really? Wisconsin looked worse than Michigan, who sucks, and Michigan Stare got smoked by an injured/Young Oregon, and Baylor has played well, but where someone had to lose in BaylorVsTCU, Baylor did not have to lose to a team TCU beat.

You need to remember that the PAC-12 South has five top-25 team, including three top-10 and Oregon destroyed two of them UCLA and Arizona. PAC-12 has six Top-25, including four top-10 in last three weeks. They canibalized each other. If such isn't held against SEC/SEC West then it shouldn't be held against Oregon, whose only loss came to the PAC-12 South Champion and top-10 team by one score.

Oregon has destroyed multiple teams, one of whom in Arizona who has beat more top-25 teams than Ohio State, Michigan State, and Wisconsin combined.

[DMX7]

Winning every game as defending champions when everyone is gunning for you and when you have as many distractions as FSU did off the field has to count for something. Under the old BCS formula, I think the pollsters vote differently and rankings put FSU at #1. However, things clearly look different now, but I feel you have to reward going undefeated with at least a top 2 seed.

[JMarkJohns]

They played one legit team all season, almost losing to several iffy teams along the way.

That's not worth top-2.

You either stick them #1 for the undefeated shit, or you grade them subjectively on play and who they played.

[JMarkJohns]

If Alabama is #1, then Florida State will be #4, and if Alabama is #2, then Florida State will be #3... I doubt the committee sends FSU out West vs. Oregon.

[DMX7]

Clemson, Georgia Tech, Louisville are all decent wins plus they survived a lot of trap games (Oklahoma State, Notre Dame, Miami and Florida). I'd give them the number two spot. Oregon's wins aren't that much more impressive + they have a loss.

[Avante]

1.FSU....only undefeated team in the nation
2.Alabama....winner of the best conference
3.Oregon....winner of the second best conference
4.Ohio State....just totally destroyed the 13th ranked team in the nation with a third string QB.

There we have the best for college football. The west coast, the south and the midwest all involved.

Did Vegas whiff on Wisconsin as a fav....wow!

[DMX7]

Alabama represents the deep south (I guess), not the southwest (including Texas) -- that's not what's "best" for college football if that's really the criterion for what's best.

[JMarkJohns]

Big-10 is so overrated... Hard numbers say all their teams are average at best. Beat each other en route to quality seasons isn't tantamount to being a quality team.

No one from that conference beat anyone of note outside conference.

[JMarkJohns]

CONFERENCE CENTRAL MEAN SIMPLE AVERAGE TEAMS WIN50%

1 SEC-WEST (A) ...........= 92.42 92.22 ( 1) 7 92.26 ( 1)
2 PAC-12(SOUTH) (A) ......= 81.30 79.87 ( 2) 6 80.51 ( 2)
3 SEC-EAST (A) ...........= 80.10 79.19 ( 3) 7 79.92 ( 3)
4 BIG 12 (A) .............= 79.27 78.96 ( 4) 10 79.12 ( 4)
5 PAC-12(NORTH) (A) ......= 75.60 76.53 ( 5) 6 75.99 ( 5)
6 BIG TEN-WEST (A) .......= 74.90 74.96 ( 8) 7 74.91 ( 6)
7 BIG TEN-EAST (A) .......= 74.27 75.42 ( 6) 7 74.73 ( 8)
8 ACC-ATLANTIC (A) .......= 74.24 73.30 ( 9) 7 73.87 ( 9)
9 ACC-COASTAL (A) ........= 74.21 75.01 ( 7) 7 74.82 ( 7)
10 MWC-MOUNTAIN (A) ......= 67.56 67.26 ( 10) 6 67.42 ( 10)


Is being champion of the (barely) 4th best conference really a big deal?

Big-12 is a tougher conference.

[Das Texan]

Maybe this will teach Baylor to actually schedule real game for non conference season.

[Avante]

Alabama represents the deep south (I guess), not the southwest (including Texas) -- that's not what's "best" for college football if that's really the criterion for what's best.

Ohio State is a traditional power, it has a history. The college game is all about tradition/history, the media loves it. TCU has made what kind of impact on the college game, yep...0.

[Avante]

Is being champion of the (barely) 4th best conference really a big deal?

Big-12 is a tougher conference.


I totally agree, the BIG10 is weak.

[DMX7]

Ohio State is a traditional power, it has a history. The college game is all about tradition/history, the media loves it. TCU has made what kind of impact on the college game, yep...0.

Tradition/History is more important than regional representation, I agree. However, this discredits your original standard for what's best for college football (i.e., wide regional representation).

[JMarkJohns]

I'd rather have computers look only at numbers:

How you played
Who you played
Who they played
Where you played

In my mind a road loss to a top-10 team by one score isn't a negative. It shouldn't hurt you.
In my mind a road win vs a top-25 team is worth more than a home win vs top-25 team.
In my mind any loss to a team outside RPI top-40 is a bad loss, but counts less if on road.
In my mind any win vs a team outside RPI top-75 is not factored in. Shouldn't count.

RPI... How you play vs who you play and how they play vs who they played.

[Avante]

Tradition/History is more important than regional representation, I agree. However, this discredits your original standard for what's best for college football (i.e., wide regional representation).

The sport needs as many traditional powers there as possible. And I am being realistic from a 2014 perspective. In a fantasy world..

USC
Ohio State
Texas
Alabama

would be the best situation.

[leemajors]

Ohio State is a traditional power, it has a history. The college game is all about tradition/history, the media loves it. TCU has made what kind of impact on the college game, yep...0.

Surprised a "historian" like yourself would say that.

[DMX7]

The sport needs as many traditional powers there as possible. And I am being realistic from a 2014 perspective. In a fantasy world..

USC
Ohio State
Texas
Alabama

would be the best situation.

Yes, except I would probably replace Ohio State with Notre Dame.

[pgardn]

Is being champion of the (barely) 4th best conference really a big deal?

Big-12 is a tougher conference.

You can use all kinds of formulas to derive those stats. SEC east rated that high... ?
Total Joke *crinkle trash* that list.

[pgardn]

Big-10 is so overrated... Hard numbers say all their teams are average at best. Beat each other en route to quality seasons isn't tantamount to being a quality team.

No one from that conference beat anyone of note outside conference.

Give Minnesota Ohio State's resume and TCU breezes in imo.

[Avante]

Surprised a "historian" like yourself would say that.

I should have said....when compared to the Big10.

[Avante]

Yes, except I would probably replace Ohio State with Notre Dame.

I would agree, but....

As we know ND has been an independant all these years. While the media loves them they can't compare with the entire Big10 or any conference, when it comes to having a following. Trust me it will be about SEC vs Big10, Big12 vs ACC right now.

[Pelicans78]

Ohio State is a traditional power, it has a history. The college game is all about tradition/history, the media loves it. TCU has made what kind of impact on the college game, yep...0.

It's about getting the 4 best teams period regardless of tradition.

[Pelicans78]

TCU has a better resume compared to Ohio State and Baylor.

[Pelicans78]

But the Big 12 will be left out. Ohio State will get in. I don't them getting in over Baylor.

[Pelicans78]

The Big 12 and ACC were neck and neck overall. Big 12 was top heavy but too many bad to average teams.

[Avante]

It's about getting the 4 best teams period regardless of tradition.

I was talking about what's best for the game.

Would it be?

Alabama
LSU
Auburn
Georgia

...of course not. What's best for the game is to get as many fans involved as we can. We'll see that (close as possible in 2014) with....

Alabama
Oregon
FSU
OSU

...involved. Big time programs with some history involved and a follwing.

[AlexJones]

Ohio State is 100% in. I'm gonna puke

[Pelicans78]

I disagree. What's best for the game is having a non-subjective way of deciding a playoff. We've seen Big 10 teams recently get slaughtered. Everyone knows the conference is a joke overall. Outside of OSU, limited athletically. No speed. Defenses suck. A total embarassment of a conference.

[Silver&Black]

My guess:

1) Alabama
2) Oregon
3) FSU
4) Ohio St.

I think TCU should be in the top 4.....but I also think the committee wants nothing to do with the Baylor vs. TCU argument.

[leemajors]

The Big 12 and ACC were neck and neck overall. Big 12 was top heavy but too many bad to average teams.


I disagree. What's best for the game is having a non-subjective way of deciding a playoff. We've seen Big 10 teams recently get slaughtered. Everyone knows the conference is a joke overall. Outside of OSU, limited athletically. No speed. Defenses suck. A total embarassment of a conference.

This. the entire playoff isn't really a step forward from the old BCS system if you don't have the best teams.

[Avante]

I disagree. What's best for the game is having a non-subjective way of deciding a playoff. We've seen Big 10 teams recently get slaughtered. Everyone knows the conference is a joke overall. Outside of OSU, limited athletically. No speed. Defenses suck. A total embarassment of a conference.

Why do most people prefer the college game over the pro game? Yep....peronal ties and passion for your state/conference etc. Look at the climate here.....THE BIG12 IS GREAT!!!! THE BIG10 SUCKS!!!!!!! and on and on.

The college game is all about that sort of thing and tradition. Don't be a fool and think it isn't....ok? When it looked like ND was going to be a player the media was fucking out, they love the Fighting Irish and all that history.

Who in the hell gives a damn about TCU/Baylor outside Texas? Abd even in Texas it should be the Longhorns.

The Big10 sucks but they have been around forever and only ND compares when it comes to history/tradition. Look at the are the Big10 comprises, yep...huge. So we'll have...

west coast and Oregon
east coast with FSU
midwest and OSU
south and Alabama

Look at how many football fans have a stake in this?

The game needs as much interest as it can get, so that final 4 would be as close to perfect as we can get in 2014.

[Silver&Black]

Here we go....

[Silver&Black]

OSU gets in.....

[Pelicans78]

No surprise.

[Pelicans78]

Win the Big 10 with one loss and automatically get a chance to win the title. What a joke.

[Silver&Black]

Damn....TCU wins by 50 and drops 3 spots.

[AlexJones]

Fuck off

[DesignatedT]

:lmao big 12.
:lol easiest path to a playoff
:lol doesn't matter that we don't have a championship game

[Pelicans78]

The biggest winner was fluky FSU. They lucked their way into this. TCU and Ohio State were neck and neck.

[Silver&Black]

The biggest winner was fluky FSU. They lucked their way into this. TCU and Ohio State were neck and neck.

I agree about FSU...but they're defending champs and undefeated. They have to get one of the 4 spots.

Long ass trip for the players and fans to the Rose Bowl. Might be a home game for the ducks.....

[Blizzardwizard]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Win 55-3 and drop 3 positions :lmao

Drop below shitty Baylor :lmao

State offered the most money so they got in :lmao

Big 10 :lmao

Committee afraid to say no to the Big 10 so bent over and took it :lmao

NCAA :lmao

Full of corrupt pedophiles :lmao

I'm out.

Fuckin thing sucks!

[FkLA]

Fucking idiots. Who the fuck justifies dropping the best team in the country three spots after winning 55-3? TCU got fucked over so bad tbh.

I'm guessing a couple more years of this BS and people will be reminiscing about the good ol' BCS days.

[JMarkJohns]

Fucking idiots. Who the fuck justifies dropping the best team in the country three spots after winning 55-3? TCU got fucked over so bad tbh.

I'm guessing a couple more years of this BS and people will be reminiscing about the good ol' BCS days.

I already am...

I never disliked it, just wanted a playoff with it.

[pgardn]

Damn....TCU wins by 50 and drops 3 spots.

I was under the impression that the rankings the week before were somewhat of a starting point for the coming week.
My impression was dead wrong.

[Silver&Black]

I was under the impression that the rankings the week before were somewhat of a starting point for the coming week.
My impression was dead wrong.

Did you hear Jeff Long's explanation for TCU dropping 3 spots? He kept saying that it had nothing to do with TCU....it was more about what Ohio St. did this weekend? WTF? :wow

[Clipper Nation]

There's nothing wrong with the committee. The Big 12 simply fucked themselves over by not having a conference title game.

[Robz4000]

The selection committee is a complete joke. Lets just jump to the championship game (aka BCS game)...

[leemajors]

There's nothing wrong with the committee. The Big 12 simply fucked themselves over by not having a conference title game.

Should be about the teams tbh. TCU deserved to be there on their own merit.

[FkLA]

There's nothing wrong with the committee. The Big 12 simply fucked themselves over by not having a conference title game.

They're trying too hard to be different. There's no reason why a team should drop 3 spots after winning by 50--but they want to be different so they dropped them anyway. I agree with JMark, the BCS system with a playoff looks like it would've been a much better option.

I do wonder if the Big 12 adds two teams bc of this though.

[Clipper Nation]

Should be about the teams tbh. TCU deserved to be there on their own merit.

I agree, but other schools had an extra opportunity to beat a ranked opponent. Meanwhile, each school in the Big 12 is too busy trying to hog the most possible TV money for themselves and then wondering why they got shut out of the playoffs.

[FkLA]

Cincy, UConn or UCF seem like the top candidates. Maybe Houston/SMU have a shot if Bevo is ok with another Texas team.

[NFO]

Fucking idiots. Who the fuck justifies dropping the best team in the country three spots after winning 55-3? TCU got fucked over so bad tbh.

Say it slowly. They played I-O-W-A S-T-A-T-E.

TCU has their conference to blame. A conference that has a motto of: "One true champion" claimed co-champs.

[FkLA]

Say it slowly. They played I-O-W-A S-T-A-T-E.

TCU has their conference to blame. A conference that has a motto of: "One true champion" claimed co-champs.

Please. Ohio State lost to VT and plays in arguably the worst P5 conference. Sure their last game was tougher than TCU's but that doesn't mean they get the nod bc of it.

[Silver&Black]

I do wonder if the Big 12 adds two teams bc of this though.

No....I don't think they will add any new teams to the Big 12. After what happened today....the NCAA will approve the 10 team exemption and allow the Big 12 to have a conference championship game.

But if I'm wrong....and they do add two teams....any guesses who???

[NFO]

Please. Ohio State lost to VT and plays in arguably the worst P5 conference. Sure their last game was tougher than TCU's but that doesn't mean they get the nod bc of it.

They got the nod because they did play well on Saturday, but also because the Big 12 screwed itself.

[pgardn]

There's nothing wrong with the committee. The Big 12 simply fucked themselves over by not having a conference title game.

Yeah.

Its much better to have a Conf. Championship against a shitty opponent than a conference game against a shitty opponent.

We got that from Bama and Ohio St.
Pure bovine residue...

[Clipper Nation]

Yeah.

Its much better to have a Conf. Championship against a shitty opponent than a conference game against a shitty opponent.

We got that from Bama and Ohio St.
It's all about making that last impression on the committee. Bama and Ohio State played, and dominated, ranked teams. Meanwhile, TCU played shitty-ass Iowa State. Baylor actually played a good team, but had realistically already taken themselves out of the conversation with terrible OOC scheduling and that loss to West Virginia anyway.

[pgardn]

It's all about making that last impression on the committee. Bama and Ohio State played, and dominated, ranked teams. Meanwhile, TCU played shitty-ass Iowa State. Baylor actually played a good team, but had realistically already taken themselves out of the conversation with terrible OOC scheduling and that loss to West Virginia anyway.

Are you saying Alabama played a good team? Look at Missouri's schedule.
TCU emptied the bench and took knees. They could have made that score 80-3.
And it turns out that may have mattered.

That last impression is NOT what the committee said it looked at.
What about that "body of work" phrase?

[pgardn]

It's all about making that last impression on the committee. Bama and Ohio State played, and dominated, ranked teams. Meanwhile, TCU played shitty-ass Iowa State. Baylor actually played a good team, but had realistically already taken themselves out of the conversation with terrible OOC scheduling and that loss to West Virginia anyway.

Are you saying Alabama played a good team? Look at Missouri's schedule.
TCU emptied the bench and took knees. They could have made that score 80-3.
And it turns out that may have mattered.

That last impression is NOT what the committee said it looked at.
What about that "body of work" phrase?
What about Ohio state OOC. Losing to the only tough opponent, Va Tech, gives you points?

[Silver&Black]

On the Iowa State angle...

I understand that TCU played an awful Iowa St. team the last game of the season. But they not only won the game.....they crushed them by 50 points. I mean what more can you ask for? A 60 point win? A 70 point win? A 100 point win? It's a slippery slope when you start running up the score like that. Some people absolutely hate it and "the computers" love it.

What I'm trying to say is every team plays terrible teams throughout the year. Remember Alabama won by 1 point (a missed PAT) at Arkansas. I think a 52 point win by TCU should have been enough to stay in the top 4. I still can't understand how a team that wins that big drops 3 spots.......

[FkLA]

No....I don't think they will add any new teams to the Big 12. After what happened today....the NCAA will approve the 10 team exemption and allow the Big 12 to have a conference championship game.

But if I'm wrong....and they do add two teams....any guesses who???


Cincy, UConn or UCF seem like the top candidates. Maybe Houston/SMU have a shot if Bevo is ok with another Texas team.

^That's just a guess on my part. I also read a rumor on an AAC board yesterday that it would be Cincy and Memphis, but not sure how legit that is. Personally I don't think Memphis' football program is good enough.


They got the nod because they did play well on Saturday, but also because the Big 12 screwed itself.

Nah. TCU is too good to be left out.

[pgardn]

Part of the message is small private school's beware...

[NFO]

Nah. TCU is too good to be left out.

Well they did.

[NFO]

Ohio State is 100% in. I'm gonna puke

I had the same feeling when Hoke was fired. He was a grrreeeat coach for them.

[unleashbaynes]

Baylor probably got screwed worse than anyone. Yes, they had weak OOC scheduling. But they won the Big 12 outright and still got named Co-champs with a team they beat. So they cant claim an outright championship. And that West Virginia loss isn't as bad as people make it out to be. WV was a very good team at home this year and hung in there with Bama when they played.

[Sisk]

Baylor probably got screwed worse than anyone. Yes, they had weak OOC scheduling. But they won the Big 12 outright and still got named Co-champs with a team they beat. So they cant claim an outright championship. And that West Virginia loss isn't as bad as people make it out to be. WV was a very good team at home this year and hung in there with Bama when they played.

You realize the B12 itself named them co-champs, right?

[unleashbaynes]

You realize the B12 itself named them co-champs, right?

Yeah, i do. It was retarded and made no sense.

[Pelicans78]

I'm ok with the teams getting in though TCU could have been a legitimate case. Baylor should really never been considered.

[Infinite_limit]

Committee screwed up by putting TCU @ #3 last week. How do they fall two spots after trouncing Iowa State?

[AlexJones]

I had the same feeling when Hoke was fired. He was a grrreeeat coach for them.

Two words.

Richard. Rodriguez.

[Avante]

One good thing that will probably come from all this is the end to those LSU vs Savannah St type games. Yes we all know why they were played but it's not good for the game. At least schedule the MAC/Mountain West/Conference USA/Military schools, leave the HBCU schools alone they don't belong there.

Back before blacks players were allowed to play in the SEC, Grambling had some teams that could be competitive. That was long ago however. These schools get those nobody wants or like in the Isiah Crowel case, nobody can put up with them.

[Pelicans78]

To be fair to Ohio State and FSU, their OOC schedule were better than TCU and especially Baylor and the ACC was on par with the Big 12 from top to bottom. The Big 10 was obviously worse, but Ohio State had a decent non conference schedule outside of Kent State.

[Avante]

To be fair to Ohio State and FSU, their OOC schedule were better than TCU and especially Baylor and the ACC was on par with the Big 12 from top to bottom. The Big 10 was obviously worse, but Ohio State had a decent non conference schedule outside of Kent State.

The thing is it just looks weird.

USC
Notre Dame
Texas
Oklahoma
TCU
Ohio State
FSU
Michigan
Oregon
LSU

....now who just doesn't belong?

[Pelicans78]

The thing is it just looks weird.

USC
Notre Dame
Texas
Oklahoma
TCU
Ohio State
FSU
Michigan
Oregon
LSU

....now who just doesn't belong?

I know tradition is important but fairness has to be involved and this year's TCU team would crush alot of those teams on the list. Also don't forget, they play in one of the biggest markets in the country.

[SupremeGuy]

Alabama
TCU
Oregon
Baylor

FSU might be undefeated but they haven't looked impressive at all this year. TCU looked more impressive in their one loss than FSU looked all season long. Baylor hiring their stupid PR firm and pushing hard to overtake TCU in the rankings is what caused the committee to move them both out, tbh. The Big 12 really fucked themselves by not having a championship game either.

[SupremeGuy]

Committee screwed up by putting TCU @ #3 last week. How do they fall two spots after trouncing Iowa State?They shouldn't have been little bitches and kept destroying them, tbh. If TCU won 70 or 80 to 10, I think the committee might have kept them in there. Then again, Baylor's PR firm is probably what really fucked everything up for the Big 12.

[DMX7]

Then again, Baylor's PR firm is probably what really fucked everything up for the Big 12.

How so?

[SupremeGuy]

How so?TCU and the Big 12 would be represented in the inaugural college football playoffs if it wasn't for Baylor running around hiring pr firms to try and convince the World that they're the ones that should really be in the playoffs.

[leemajors]

Despite the fact that Wisconsin lost to Northwestern this season, the Ohio State blowout was convincing to a committee that included former Badgers head coach Barry Alvarez and former Cornhuskers head coach and athletic director Tom Osborne, who probably isn't such a big fan of the Big 12 after leaving the conference.

Meanwhile, the only voice for the Big 12 was West Virginia athletics director Oliver Luck.

[Pelicans78]

The win over Wisconsin is highly overrated. I watched them in person against LSU in Houston and their QB is terrible. Worst QB I've seen. They have no passing game.

[pgardn]

Despite the fact that Wisconsin lost to Northwestern this season, the Ohio State blowout was convincing to a committee that included former Badgers head coach Barry Alvarez and former Cornhuskers head coach and athletic director Tom Osborne, who probably isn't such a big fan of the Big 12 after leaving the conference.

Meanwhile, the only voice for the Big 12 was West Virginia athletics director Oliver Luck.

Sucks for TCU.
A credible committee is undermined by the make up being skewed.

[pgardn]

The win over Wisconsin is highly overrated. I watched them in person against LSU in Houston and their QB is terrible. Worst QB I've seen. They have no passing game.

This says a lot as the LSU QB situation is pretty horrid.

[Pelicans78]

This says a lot as the LSU QB situation is pretty horrid.

LSU's QB was clearly better that night. That Stave guy for the Badgers is terrible.

[JoeTait75]

Alabama
TCU
Oregon
Baylor

FSU might be undefeated but they haven't looked impressive at all this year. TCU looked more impressive in their one loss than FSU looked all season long. Baylor hiring their stupid PR firm and pushing hard to overtake TCU in the rankings is what caused the committee to move them both out, tbh. The Big 12 really fucked themselves by not having a championship game either.

You can't leave out a team that's 13-0 and the defending national champion, regardless of how unimpressive they've looked in their wins. If the heavyweight champ wins every fight in a 12-round decision he's still the heavyweight champ.

[Pelicans78]

I agree. FSU had to be in.

Ohio State's schedule was tougher apparently than TCU or Baylor. Really all 3 teams had good cases. I think in the end this was Ohio State getting in over TCU due to winning their conference and over Baylor due to strength of schedule though in the past conference championships wasn't an important criteria (Nebraska 2001, OU 2003, Bama 2011).

[SupremeGuy]

Well, do you want the 4 best teams or not? lol

Also, I don't know how the committee had Ohio State jump TCU when they're going to be playing with a 3rd string quarterback the rest of the way. They had a one game sample size of him running the offense, and while it was impressive, they shouldn't automatically assume that he's going to lead the offense like that in the coming games.

[NFO]

The win over Wisconsin is highly overrated. I watched them in person against LSU in Houston and their QB is terrible. Worst QB I've seen. They have no passing game.

You must not see very many QBs then, because there are plenty worse. Also you must not have paid attention when you were "in person" in Houston as Tanner McEvoy was the QB for Wisconsin that night and not Joel Stave, who was the Wisconsin QB for the B1G Championship game.

I know facts are hard.

[Pelicans78]

I agree. FSU had to be in.

Ohio State's schedule was tougher apparently than TCU or Baylor. Really all 3 teams had good cases. I think in the end this was Ohio State getting in over TCU due to winning their conference and over Baylor due to strength of schedule though in the past conference championships wasn't an important criteria (Nebraska 2001, OU 2003, Bama 2011).

[Pelicans78]

You must not see very many QBs then, because there are plenty worse. Also you must not have paid attention when you were "in person" in Houston as Tanner McEvoy was the QB for Wisconsin that night and not Joel Stave, who was the Wisconsin QB for the B1G Championship game.

I know facts are hard.

You're right. It was McAvoy. Crap. Yeah he sucked.

At the end of the day 59-0 is impressive. I got no beef with OSU and I think they will give Bama a battle. The real problem is leaving out quality teams like TCU and I guess Baylor who I don't like but they are 11-1 and legitimate Big12 champs.

[JoeTait75]

Well, do you want the 4 best teams or not?

I want the most deserving teams. To me FSU is clearly deserving.

[NFO]

At the end of the day 59-0 is impressive. I got no beef with OSU and I think they will give Bama a battle. The real problem is leaving out quality teams like TCU and I guess Baylor who I don't like but they are 11-1 and legitimate Big12 champs.

I agree, but at the end of the day when the announcement for 4 was made, we all knew someone would get left out from a power conference or two. TCU and Baylor are very good teams and both along with Ohio State have flaws in their resume so someone was going to get left out. I would like to see it be 8 teams, but 4 is better than the two we were previously getting. There will always be controversy over teams 4, 5 etc.... and even 8, 9, etc... if the field gets to 8, but it is better than just the two we were getting.

[Pelicans78]

I'm ok with 8 teams, but I think to reward the teams with great regular seasons, they need to make the first round or quarterfinals on the top seeds home field. I don't know who finished 7th or 8th, but it would be cool seeing some teams from warmer climates travel to cold climates which you never see in college football.

[SupremeGuy]

I want the most deserving teams. To me FSU is clearly deserving.meh... it's a matter of opinion. I'd rather reward a team that's been impressive all year long but had one "bad" weekend when they lost by 3 in a game they choked away, than a team that's needed ref help and miracles just to squeak by week by week.

[Pelicans78]

meh... it's a matter of opinion. I'd rather reward a team that's been impressive all year long but had one "bad" weekend when they lost by 3 in a game they choked away, than a team that's needed ref help and miracles just to squeak by week by week.

That's why both teams should be in. Really they need to find a way to reward quality teams and not just leave them out.

[JoeTait75]

meh... it's a matter of opinion. I'd rather reward a team that's been impressive all year long but had one "bad" weekend when they lost by 3 in a game they choked away, than a team that's needed ref help and miracles just to squeak by week by week.

I just can't help but think of all the teams in recent CFB history- Alabama in 1992, Tennessee in '98, Ohio State in '02- that rarely looked dominant, got a lot of breaks, but simply won football games. At the end of the day winning is what matters.

[SupremeGuy]

No one should be surprised that they found a way to leave TCU and Baylor out though. I remember it was worse that one year they left Boise State and TCU out of the big bowl games. lol Established programs don't want anything to do with up-and-coming programs that are hungry and will play with a huge chip on their shoulder, tbh.

[Silver&Black]

No one should be surprised that they found a way to leave TCU and Baylor out though. I remember it was worse that one year they left Boise State and TCU out of the big bowl games. lol Established programs don't want anything to do with up-and-coming programs that are hungry and will play with a huge chip on their shoulder, tbh.

Yeah...Boise St. did play with a huge chip on their shoulder. Boise St. vs. Oklahoma.....the best football game I've ever seen. NFL or College....

Dat Hook and Ladder and Statue of Liberty...

[SupremeGuy]

Yeah...Boise St. did play with a huge chip on their shoulder. Boise St. vs. Oklahoma.....the best football game I've ever seen. NFL or College....

Dat Hook and Ladder and Statue of Liberty...Yup. :toast

[Avante]

I did want 8 at first now after some thought.....

If we took the 5 conference champs, the next three more than likely would be those who lost those conference title games. The three who lost by the least more or less. That's weak.

How do you keep the SEC loser out?

Gotta stick with 4.

[JMarkJohns]

It should be 6.

Top 2 get first round Byes

3/6 and 4/5

1 vs lowest advancing
2 vs highest avancing

Creates drama for limited amount of at-large, and reduces field for better quality teams/games.

[Avante]

Oregon a 9 point dog at a nuetral site????????

[Trill Clinton]

oregon
florida state
alabama
tcu

the 4 team system is wack. i hope they change it to 6-8 teams

[JMarkJohns]

Oregon a 9 point dog at a nuetral site????????

Trying to inspire betting. It'll even out, maybe swing for Oregon in a week or two.

[FkLA]

The teams that just miss out are always going to complain no matter if it's a 4, 6 or 8 team playoff imo. I don't have a problem with the number, my issue is the try hard committee. Put in a system that isn't retarded enough to drop a team three spots when they win by 50 tbh.

[JMarkJohns]

There should definitely be a formula to at least give transparancy and a starting point. This way if the committee overrules the formula based on eye test they have been exposed as frontrunners, brandists, and have explaining to do against quantified facts.

The idea Ohio State is in because it won 10 games with a sub-50 SOS is ridiculous. If you're perfect, that's one thing, but they lost to a shifty ACC team.

[The Reckoning]

TCU should be in for losing to a good opponent away from home by three points. The NCAA simply does not penalize enough for losing to shitty teams.

[Thread]

There should definitely be a formula to at least give transparancy and a starting point.

Amen.

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The BCS was fine. This shit is just to sell ducats & souvenirs.

[JoeTait75]

Here's an idea: institute a system of computer rankings similar to what Ohio does in high-school football. You get 1st-level computer points for games you win and 2nd-level points for games won by the teams you beat. It's a system that rewards strength-of-schedule while taking "good" or "bad" losses entirely out of the equation, as well as the pollsters.

[Silver&Black]

The current system is fine. No matter what "system" is in place....the first 2 teams left out will still bitch and complain.

Hell....look at the March Madness brackets. The 69th and 70th teams cry that they should've got in....

[Darth_Pelican]

The problem with expanding to 8 teams is asking the team's fans to travel 3 times in the postseason to see their team play. That's both expensive and time consuming. If it's expanded to 8, then 1st round games might have to follow a homefield advantage format.

[leemajors]

The current system is fine. No matter what "system" is in place....the first 2 teams left out will still bitch and complain.

Hell....look at the March Madness brackets. The 69th and 70th teams cry that they should've got in....

If the system involves a committee without somewhat equal representation from the big conferences, I would say that is not fine.

[Silver&Black]

If the system involves a committee without somewhat equal representation from the big conferences, I would say that is not fine.

Which conference(s) were not equally represented?

[leemajors]

Which conference(s) were not equally represented?

Big 12 only had Oliver Luck from WVU on the committee.

[DesignatedT]

:lmao not equally represented :cry:

[Phillip]

IMO, they should just completely redo the conferences into 4 main conferences, North, South, East, and West. Divide them up into two divisions each (North and South conferences would have East and West divisions, East and West conferences would have North and South divisions).

Create some stipulations to allow the total number to be cut from 128 teams to 80 teams, get rid of a bunch of those bummy teams that never win crap, bring no value, and have no business being in D-1. Get rid of rankings as well.

This way you can have 10 teams in each division, allowing for 9 games for each team to play everyone in their division, as well as 2 OOC games. You can still have some sort of bowl game setup for the sake of having some extra games to make money, but then have a playoff setting, in which division winners play a game for the conference, then by record, rate the conference winners 1-4, and have a 3 game playoff between them for the NC.

[leemajors]

:lmao not equally represented :cry:

If it comes down to committee votes, why would you not have equal reps? Big10 had Alvarez and Osbourne, of course they voted for OSU over TCU/Baylor.

[Silver&Black]

Big 12 only had Oliver Luck from WVU on the committee.

The SEC only had one representative..
The ACC only had one representative...

[Silver&Black]

If it comes down to committee votes, why would you not have equal reps? Big10 had Alvarez and Osbourne, of course they voted for OSU over TCU/Baylor.

Do you not agree that the lack of a conference championship (and therefore naming co-champions) was the Big 12's ultimate downfall like the playoff committee stated?

[leemajors]

The SEC only had one representative..
The ACC only had one representative...

I was not aware of that, why did the Big 10 get to have two?

[leemajors]

Do you not agree that the lack of a conference championship (and therefore naming co-champions) was the Big 12's ultimate downfall like the playoff committee stated?

I agree it is an issue, but it also sidetracks discussion of issues of problems with the system as currently set up. Baylor could also have not played Incarnate Word, etc. TCU or Baylor could also have just as easily been passed up by OSU even if they played a championship game and the score was close and OSU beat Wisconsin by 50. It's also pretty clear this probably wouldn't have happened to UT or OU, and that is not "fair" either.

[Silver&Black]

I was not aware of that, why did the Big 10 get to have two?

IDK why the Big 10 got two....your guess is as good as mine.

In fairness....I must say a few things that were left out of my previous post. The SEC technically had two representatives, but Archie Manning took a leave of absence at the very beginning...therefore only leaving one for the SEC. Also, Tom Osborne was the coach of Nebraska when they were in the Big 12. So on the website it says his conference affiliation is both the Big10 and Big12. And I don't count Condi Rice as a Pac-12 representative. I mean she was the Secretary of State...she wasn't a coach, an athletic director, or a player. Therefore, the Pac-12 only had one representative like the SEC and ACC.

[leemajors]

IDK why the Big 10 got two....your guess is as good as mine.

In fairness....I must say a few things that were left out of my previous post. The SEC technically had two representatives, but Archie Manning took a leave of absence at the very beginning...therefore only leaving one for the SEC. Also, Tom Osborne was the coach of Nebraska when they were in the Big 12. So on the website it says his conference affiliation is both the Big10 and Big12. And I don't count Condi Rice as a Pac-12 representative. I mean she was the Secretary of State...she wasn't a coach, an athletic director, or a player. Therefore, the Pac-12 only had one representative like the SEC and ACC.

Yeah, the whole thing makes as much sense to me as Obama appointing a former cable lobbyist as FCC Chairman and then wondering why he is against open internet. I am not trying to denigrate OSU in any way either they took care of business last weekend.

[Silver&Black]

Yeah, the whole thing makes as much sense to me as Obama appointing a former cable lobbyist as FCC Chairman and then wondering why he is against open internet. I am not trying to denigrate OSU in any way either they took care of business last weekend.

LOL at the Obama remark.

But yeah...OSU is a deserving team. It's not like they're a bad team who got in on name alone. But like I said earlier....the first couple teams left out will always complain. No matter if it's 4 teams, 8 teams, 16 teams, or 68 teams like the March Madness brackets. And I don't really blame the teams for complaining.....there is a lot of $$$ at stake here.

[leemajors]

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/tcu-got-screwed-and-thats-the-point-1668812802/+robharvilla


Jim:

Did TCU get fucked over?
Yep. Baylor also got fucked over, and I will let you Big 12 loyalists out there debate over which one got fucked the hardest (I love the phrase "body of work" used on CFB arguments, like TCU just composed a series of operettas). Frankly, I'm surprised that U-Texas didn't make a few threatening phone calls to just grab the fourth playoff spot for themselves. "Put us in there or we'll bolt to the AAC NYEEEEEHAWWWWW!11!!1!!!11!!!"

But this is the beauty of having a college football playoff. I think that there are people who wanted this playoff to exist under the impression that it would be FAIRER, and that fewer teams would get fucked over. But that's not how college football works. The industry of college football is built ENTIRELY on people fucking other people over. Conferences fuck over other conferences. Coaches fuck over schools. Committees fuck over players. Players fuck over the pizza guy when he asks for a tip. Everyone gets fucked over, and the playoff only AMPLIFIES all of the fucking-over going on.

This is all by design. Before this playoff existed, BCS advocates cited the controversy generated by the system as one of its selling points: The idea is that fucking people over helps draw more attention to the sport, and that's somehow GOOD. So the playoff has been set up with that in mind. Of course they only have four teams. And of course there's a super-secret 12-person committee that decides this shit over a tasteful lunch spread. And of course they switched in one of the most storied programs in the nation at the last moment and fucked over two Johnny-Come-Latelies in the process. If that wasn't done deliberately, then the system was deliberately set up to ALLOW something like this to happen. In college football, you get bonus points for being a brand name, and you get whored for being some random-ass joint like TCU. That corruption is baked into the system no matter what kind of postseason format they dream up.

And now that there's a playoff (which, for the record, I like), they can get away with even more egregious horseshit, because a month from now, no one will really care about TCU or Baylor getting locked out. A team like Bama will win it all, and it will be convincing, and all that braying from the Big 12 will cease to be endearing. That's how it works. I just hope that, five years from now, they create a football NIT to really drive home the insignificance of being a bubble team.

:lol

[Pelicans78]

Baylor is the Big 12 champs, but this 4 team playoff isn't just based on conference championships. TCU had the better overall resume with the slightly better schedule and more impressive margin of victories. We've had teams get in the BCS Title game without winning a conference championship so that argument doesn't hold water. TCU and Ohio State were neck and neck, but not Baylor. They weren't a top 5 caliber team.

[DMX7]

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/tcu-got-screwed-and-thats-the-point-1668812802/+robharvilla



:lol

We already have a football NIT. It's call every other bowl game.