How Do You Fix the Niners?

[Robz4000]

Obviously the main issue is Kraep, but there are other problems that need to be addressed as well.

-Immaturity throughout the ranks that generates terrible penalties and game-altering mistakes
-Questionable playcalling (at best)
-Off-the-field incidents affecting play on-the-field
-Propensity to quit

At this point its all but certain Harbaugh is gone, so who is your pick to replace him? Who else should be jettisoned? Is Baalke a problem or just along for the ride?

[vander]

switch to option style offense for Kaep.

[spurraider21]

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nfl/players/full/14001.png&w=350&h=254

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Switch Cam with Kaep and you win the SB

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Draft a white qb

[Robz4000]

Switch Cam with Kaep and you win the SB

We want to improve the Niners, not neuter them.

[spurraider21]

We want to improve the Niners, not neuter them.
i wonder if no lyfe will ever get Cam's cock out of his mouth... or if he'll be like those Vince Young fanboys who STILL can't let go

[Silver&Black]

We want to improve the Niners, not neuter them.

Trust me....you don't want a QB who is 4-8-1 in the worst division of all time.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Gonna be the first QB to win b2b division titles in NFC South history

[Robz4000]

:lmao winning the NFC South this year is nothing to be proud of. Everyone in that division should be ashamed of themselves.

[Infinite_limit]

49er fan of 20 years. Didn't watch today and I won't bother watching next season if that ghetto mental midget is still the QB

[spurraider21]

49er fan of 20 years. Didn't watch today and I won't bother watching next season if that ghetto mental midget is still the QB
:lmao shit on by the raiders

[Clipper Nation]

Gonna be the first QB to win b2b division titles in NFC South history

:lmao "NFC South history" only goes back to 2002
:lmao The NFC South has always been shit anyway
:lmao Reduced to bragging about divisional history
:lmao Cum Newton

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lmao "NFC South history" only goes back to 2002
:lmao The NFC South has always been shit anyway
:lmao Reduced to bragging about divisional history
:lmao Cum Newton
? The NFCS has always been great and last year it was the second toughest division..

[jeebus]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4Syt6BIgAAkGqo.jpg:large

[Clipper Nation]

? The NFCS has always been great and last year it was the second toughest division..

No division "won" by Cum Newton can ever be considered tough.

[Robz4000]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4Syt6BIgAAkGqo.jpg:large

:lmao

[HI-FI]

someone mentioned trading Kaep for Jameis Winston, as if going darker and more rapey is going to improve anything.

[Robz4000]

someone mentioned trading Kaep for Jameis Winston, as if going darker and more rapey is going to improve anything.

We discussed that in the game thread. Might be the worst take of said poster's ST career. Its too bad they didn't hold on to Colt McCoy; he'd fix a lot of the offensive issues.

[RD2191]

Lol OP is a fair weather fan.

[Robz4000]

Lol OP is a fair weather fan.

You literally just admitted to being a casual fan in the game thread earlier. You've nary room.

[HI-FI]

We discussed that in the game thread. Might be the worst take of said poster's ST career. Its too bad they didn't hold on to Colt McCoy; he'd fix a lot of the offensive issues.
at this point I just want a smart QB that can manage things and not fuck it up too much, plus be relatively inexpensive since they have physical limitations. I won't give up on Kaep yet, I gave Alex a lot of time, but no doubt I never saw Alex do some of the boneheaded shit that Kaep does. Plus you knew Smith would study his ass off, I bet Kaep is busy living it up.

[Robz4000]

at this point I just want a smart QB that can manage things and not fuck it up too much, plus be relatively inexpensive since they have physical limitations. I won't give up on Kaep yet, I gave Alex a lot of time, but no doubt I never saw Alex do some of the boneheaded shit that Kaep does. Plus you knew Smith would study his ass off, I bet Kaep is busy living it up.

Kraep will get one more year unfortunately, so you'll get your wish. Like I said, under the right coach Kraep might start making strides, but at this point I just want the Kraep-era to end.

[HI-FI]

Kraep will get one more year unfortunately, so you'll get your wish. Like I said, under the right coach Kraep might start making strides, but at this point I just want the Kraep-era to end.
I usually don't give up on things, so I'll hold out hope for Kaep especially if he's putting in the work. have you heard anything about his work ethic? I have a bad feeling he spends his off time in the studio laying down beats, blowing loads in strippers asses and stocking his room full of Timberlands. just a hunch.

[Robz4000]

I usually don't give up on things, so I'll hold out hope for Kaep especially if he's putting in the work. have you heard anything about his work ethic? I have a bad feeling he spends his off time in the studio laying down beats, blowing loads in strippers asses and stocking his room full of Timberlands. just a hunch.

He was supposed to work out with Montana this past offseason but I never heard anything since.

[leemajors]

i wonder if no lyfe will ever get Cam's cock out of his mouth... or if he'll be like those Vince Young fanboys who STILL can't let go

Perry sure the VY purists bailed years ago

[spurraider21]

I usually don't give up on things, so I'll hold out hope for Kaep especially if he's putting in the work. have you heard anything about his work ethic? I have a bad feeling he spends his off time in the studio laying down beats, blowing loads in strippers asses and stocking his room full of Timberlands. just a hunch.
Not trying to be a dick but... I really think Kaep is just as raw now as he was in his rookie season. He looks ridiculously uncomfortable when he's confined to the pocket. Teams just play contain with the ends and push up the middle. You don't even need to have the pressure get to him, but don't give him avenues to run, and he crumbles.

The reason is when you scramble, your reads get simplified. As you run (presumably to your strong side), all the receivers are taught to stop their routes and run towards the same sideline. So the routes just become straight lines and simple to see. Secondly, it removes the need for timing on a pass. On standard play, the routes are specifically designed to be timed with the drop, so you'll have different route combinations with a 3 step, 5 step, 7 step, or play-action drop. When you just abandon the play and rollout, it removes the need the have an understanding of route concepts and timing.

This is why a lot of these runners devolve into 1-read quarterbacks. If their primary isn't open, they don't have the ability/patience/poise to made reads, so they just roll to the right and all the routes change. Kaep is still in this stage of his career 3 years later. He's 27. I don't see him ever progressing, and he's going to rely on a coach/coordinator willing to run a gimmick offense that will be really limited

[01Snake]

49er fan of 20 years. Didn't watch today and I won't bother watching next season if that ghetto mental midget is still the QB

I'm right there with you! http://www.riderfans.com/forum/images/smilies/riderhider.gif

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I'm right there with you! http://www.riderfans.com/forum/images/smilies/riderhider.gif
I'll tell you what. I'll play GM. I'll trade you Cam for Kaep, Gore or Willis and a first

kaep can back up Anderson and joe webb

[lefty]

I've never been a 49ers fan tbh

[Chinook]

Eh, it's on Harbaugh as well. He seems mentally weak, and his teams seem like that too. I think he'll be back next season, but it may end but being the year where things really fall apart.

[Robz4000]

Harbaugh won't be back.

[Infinite_limit]

I believe Kap can fry french fries at McDonalds if he has the right supervisor to teach him.

[Kool Bob Love]

Trade for Wilson. And Pete Carroll.

[Robz4000]

Trade for Wilson. And Pete Carroll.

What are the Seamanangers gonna do after Beastmode leaves this offseason? Real talk.

[spurraider21]

What are the Seamanangers gonna do after Beastmode leaves this offseason? Real talk.
they'll adjust. Lynch carried the ball 23 times for 86 yards and a fumble today, but they still beat a division leader on the road by double figures. i think they have a really good, young quarterback who hasn't had an opportunity or an offense where he can put up gaudy numbers, but the ability is there.

they'll probably add some pieces in the passing game... i still think they'll run the ball though. they've been talking up christine michael for a while, and he and turbin can split duties adequately. i dont know how long their window is, but i dont see a particular reason why it would close. running back is typically the easiest position to replace

[Infinite_limit]

they'll adjust. Lynch carried the ball 23 times for 86 yards and a fumble today, but they still beat a division leader on the road by double figures. i think they have a really good, young quarterback who hasn't had an opportunity or an offense where he can put up gaudy numbers, but the ability is there.

they'll probably add some pieces in the passing game... i still think they'll run the ball though. they've been talking up christine michael for a while, and he and turbin can split duties adequately. i dont know how long their window is, but i dont see a particular reason why it would close. running back is typically the easiest position to replace
There are only a handful of Elite RBs in the sport. Lynch is one of them. But I tend to agree with your assessment. The team will naturally add talent at the WRs position and steadily go away from their rushing attack. Long term they will lose that physical edge they have but in the short term it allows them to carry on winning regular season games.

[Infinite_limit]

What a little bitch


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNN43pCycGo

[spurraider21]

There are only a handful of Elite RBs in the sport. Lynch is one of them. But I tend to agree with your assessment. The team will naturally add talent at the WRs position and steadily go away from their rushing attack. Long term they will lose that physical edge they have but in the short term it allows them to carry on winning regular season games.
this upcoming draft is also really stacked at running back. if the seahawks are going to pull the plug, this offseason would be the time to do it

[hehateme]

Stuck with kraep for another year so best they can do is look for a solid pick and try to groom Hyde into the replacement for gore and hope for the best.

[spurraider21]

Niners and Bears both screwed the pooch with QB contracts

[Robz4000]

Niners and Bears both screwed the pooch with QB contracts

Its weird tbh. Most of both fanbases were pretty vocal about not giving either those contracts yet the FOs went ahead with doing so anyway.

[spurraider21]

Its weird tbh. Most of both fanbases were pretty vocal about not giving either those contracts yet the FOs went ahead with doing so anyway.
the Cutler one was more shocking... at least they saw "upside" in Kaep because of his limited experience. But everybody knew exactly what Cutler was. i thought he would end up as a stopgap for the Texans or somethin

[Mal]

Kaepernick is untradeable at this point.

[Sean Cagney]

Gonna be the first QB to win b2b division titles in NFC South history
Winning the NFC South this year is really nothing to brag about or be proud about by any means, the worst division in Football bar none with sub .500 teams tied for first place. Why did you bother posting this? Are you serious?

[Mal]

Winning the NFC South this year is really nothing to brag about or be proud about by any means, the worst division in Football bar none with sub .500 teams tied for first place. Why did you bother posting this? Are you serious?

There will be a winner, because that what rules say. "Somebody needs to win NCF South". I wouldnt hang a banner for that

[Avante]

It appears that Kaepernick is one of those who can't handle celebrity (Cam Newton) status. When he was an up and comer and hungry he was far better than he is now that he's doing commercials and has all that $$$$. So just how important is football to him now?

Harbaugh is gone and it wouldn't surprise if they don't try to deal Kaepernick. He's not going to work.

When the backers get back we'll still have a quality D. Hunter will return in 2015, he has that zip we don't have now at running back. A little more Hyde a little less of Gore.

Time to say good bye to Boldin.

[spurraider21]

It appears that Kaepernick is one of those who can't handle celebrity (Cam Newton) status. When he was an up and comer and hungry he was far better than he is now that he's doing commercials and has all that $$$$. So just how important is football to him now?

Harbaugh is gone and it wouldn't surprise if they don't try to deal Kaepernick. He's not going to work.

When the backers get back we'll still have a quality D. Hunter will return in 2015, he has that zip we don't have now at running back. A little more Hyde a little less of Gore.

Time to say good bye to Boldin.
its a shame when you still have a pretty talented roster but have to hit the reset button on the QB position. that's what Houston has gone through for the past 2 years

[Mal]

It appears that Kaepernick is one of those who can't handle celebrity (Cam Newton) status. When he was an up and comer and hungry he was far better than he is now that he's doing commercials and has all that $$$$. So just how important is football to him now?

Harbaugh is gone and it wouldn't surprise if they don't try to deal Kaepernick. He's not going to work.

When the backers get back we'll still have a quality D. Hunter will return in 2015, he has that zip we don't have now at running back. A little more Hyde a little less of Gore.

Time to say good bye to Boldin.

How the fuck you wanna trade Kaepernick ?

[SupremeGuy]

Their season started off with really bad vibes between Harbaugh, the GM, the owner, and the players. Too much drama. It shouldn't surprise anyone that they've have a down year. Also, they tied their cart to the wrong horse. Kraep hasn't done shit ever since teams started preparing for his legs more than his arm.

[Avante]

How the fuck you wanna trade Kaepernick ?

Fame and $$$$ does change some people, I see this with Kaepernick. I do have to question his football desire.

[Mal]

Fame and $$$$ does change some people, I see this with Kaepernick. I do have to question his football desire.

That`s not an answer to my question. I dont give a fuck what you see with Kaepernick. How you want to trade his huge contract with a lot dead money ?

[spurraider21]

YEAR
BASE
SIGNING BONUS
ROSTER BONUS
OPTION BONUS
WORKOUT BONUS
RESTRUC. BONUS
INCENTIVE
CAP HIT
DEAD


2014
645,000
3,022,444
-
-
100,000
-
-
3,767,444
13,730,456


2015
12,400,000
2,465,753
2,000,000
-
400,000
-
-
17,265,753
9,963,012


2016
13,900,000
2,465,753
2,000,000
-
400,000
-
-
18,765,753
7,497,259


2017
16,500,000
2,465,753
2,000,000
-
400,000
-
-
21,365,753
5,031,506


2018
15,000,000
2,465,753
2,000,000
-
400,000
-
-
19,865,753
2,465,753


2019
18,800,000
-
2,000,000
-
400,000
-
-
21,200,000
-


2020
21,000,000
-
2,000,000
-
400,000
-
-
23,400,000
-

[spurraider21]

That`s not an answer to my question. I dont give a fuck what you see with Kaepernick. How you want to trade his huge contract with a lot dead money ?
if he's traded this offseason (not that i see any takers for his contract) the dead money will still be significantly less than what the cap hit was. when the raiders dealt Palmer we were still paying him something close to 12 million when his cap hit would have been something like 16 iirc

[Raven]

trade sackorpick and a first rounder for derek carr and stop drafting rbs in the second would be a great way to start.

[Robz4000]

YEAR
BASE
SIGNING BONUS
ROSTER BONUS
OPTION BONUS
WORKOUT BONUS
RESTRUC. BONUS
INCENTIVE
CAP HIT
DEAD


2014
645,000
3,022,444
-
-
100,000
-
-
3,767,444
13,730,456


2015
12,400,000
2,465,753
2,000,000
-
400,000
-
-
17,265,753
9,963,012


2016
13,900,000
2,465,753
2,000,000
-
400,000
-
-
18,765,753
7,497,259


2017
16,500,000
2,465,753
2,000,000
-
400,000
-
-
21,365,753
5,031,506


2018
15,000,000
2,465,753
2,000,000
-
400,000
-
-
19,865,753
2,465,753


2019
18,800,000
-
2,000,000
-
400,000
-
-
21,200,000
-


2020
21,000,000
-
2,000,000
-
400,000
-
-
23,400,000
-



Dear God, they haven't even gotten into it yet...

[spurraider21]

trade sackorpick and a first rounder for derek carr and stop drafting rbs in the second would be a great way to start.
:lol take that offer and stick it where the sun don't shine

[Robz4000]

trade sackorpick and a first rounder for derek carr and stop drafting rbs in the second would be a great way to start.

To be fair, Hyde looks like a stud and should be a great replacement for Gore. It was worthwhile to take him there.

[Raven]

To be fair, Hyde looks like a stud and should be a great replacement for Gore. It was worthwhile to take him there.

i think he looks awful tbh, and even if he was a stud, i don't see value in drafting rbs at all, when you get undrafted free agents that outplay them most of the time..

[Robz4000]

i think he looks awful tbh, and even if he was a stud, i don't see value in drafting rbs at all, when you get undrafted free agents that outplay them most of the time..

How many games have you watched of the Niners tbh? All I've seen is you be super critical of them yet most of the non-Kraep related issues are garbage. This Niners draft class was extremely solid. Borland is an absolute beast, Hyde (while not as dependable as Gore yet) is great at getting short yards much like his predecessor, and the new TE (Carrier iirc) has had some great plays before being injured. You can knock on Kraep and the coaching staff all you like, but the FO has found talent.

[spurraider21]

i think he looks awful tbh, and even if he was a stud, i don't see value in drafting rbs at all, when you get undrafted free agents that outplay them most of the time..
eh, yes and no.

DeMarco Murray - 3rd round
Matt Forte - 2nd round
LeSean McCoy - 2nd round
Jamaal Charles - 3rd round
Marshawn Lynch - 1st round
LeVeon Bell - 2nd round
Adrian Peterson - 1st round

sure you have an Arian Foster here and there, but but premier backs tend to be drafted relatively early. Gore himself was a 3rd

[Spur-Addict]

How many games have you watched of the Niners tbh? All I've seen is you be super critical of them yet most of the non-Kraep related issues are garbage. This Niners draft class was extremely solid. Borland is an absolute beast, Hyde (while not as dependable as Gore yet) is great at getting short yards much like his predecessor, and the new TE (Carrier iirc) has had some great plays before being injured. You can knock on Kraep and the coaching staff all you like, but the FO has found talent.

Hyde does look good I agree. He hits the hole hard, and has another gear Gore doesn't have. Like you I'm not saying he's on Gore's level, but he certainly has nice upside to him.

[Raven]

eh, yes and no.

DeMarco Murray - 3rd round
Matt Forte - 2nd round
LeSean McCoy - 2nd round
Jamaal Charles - 3rd round
Marshawn Lynch - 1st round
LeVeon Bell - 2nd round
Adrian Peterson - 1st round

sure you have an Arian Foster here and there, but but premier backs tend to be drafted relatively early. Gore himself was a 3rd

that doesn't mean there isn't better value than that at that time of the draft. Also, no rb can play without an offensive line consistently. I'm a huge believer in offensive line drafting.

[Avante]

That`s not an answer to my question. I dont give a fuck what you see with Kaepernick. How you want to trade his huge contract with a lot dead money ?

Fuck the $$$ ya little prick is what I'm saying....OBVIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Raven]

How many games have you watched of the Niners tbh? All I've seen is you be super critical of them yet most of the non-Kraep related issues are garbage. This Niners draft class was extremely solid. Borland is an absolute beast, Hyde (while not as dependable as Gore yet) is great at getting short yards much like his predecessor, and the new TE (Carrier iirc) has had some great plays before being injured. You can knock on Kraep and the coaching staff all you like, but the FO has found talent.

almost all tbh. i'm not knocking at the coaching or front office, they are great, but are making two critical mistakes that are killing them. For a team that makes the D their best offensive weapon, it's really weird to draft rbs that high and that often.

[Robz4000]

almost all tbh. i'm not knocking at the coaching or front office, they are great, but are making two critical mistakes that are killing them. For a team that makes the D their best offensive weapon, it's really weird to draft rbs that high and that often.

They need a Gore replacement and he was the best choice in last year's draft. Besides, they also drafted great defensive players too. All they need is new secondary players and their defense is young again. At this point the main issues are offense though, specifically QB and oline.

[vander]

eh, yes and no.

DeMarco Murray - 3rd round
Matt Forte - 2nd round
LeSean McCoy - 2nd round
Jamaal Charles - 3rd round
Marshawn Lynch - 1st round
LeVeon Bell - 2nd round
Adrian Peterson - 1st round

sure you have an Arian Foster here and there, but but premier backs tend to be drafted relatively early. Gore himself was a 3rd

Marshawn Lynch is the only one with a ring (which isn't going to change) and it wasn't with the team that drafted him

[spurraider21]

Marshawn Lynch is the only one with a ring (which isn't going to change) and it wasn't with the team that drafted him
thats like saying the chargers made a mistake by trading Eli for Rivers because Rivers doesn't have a ring but Eli has 2

[vander]

thats like saying the chargers made a mistake by trading Eli for Rivers because Rivers doesn't have a ring but Eli has 2

what? no. one is a trend showing the lack of return on investment with top RB prospects.

the other is the Chargers trading away a top QB prospect who said he wouldn't play for them for another lesser QB prospect despite having a great QB prospect already on the roster.

[Spur-Addict]

what? no. one is a trend showing the lack of return on investment with top RB prospects.

the other is the Chargers trading away a top QB prospect who said he wouldn't play for them for another lesser QB prospect despite having a great QB prospect already on the roster.

You think the Vikings, Bears, and Chiefs haven't gotten proper return on their investment? Murray has an inability to stay healthy, but that could've been with any player drafted at any position. Bell is currently a monster, and Shady will probably have 1,500 yards from scrimmage in a year when his line was decimated. He's pretty much a 1,600 scrimmage yards per season back aside from the years when he explodes for over 2,000. As for Lynch, he was a risk prior to draft, and the Bills were unable to contain that risk, unlike the team that traded for him. But he was a 1,300 yards from scrimmage back on a very bad team in Buffalo.

If you're going to judge proper return on investment in Superbowls, that's way too steep, and unrealistic. Only one of those trophies come out per season, and this is the ultimate team game. Which means you'll need more than just a star RB, or star QB to make it happen.

[spurraider21]

what? no. one is a trend showing the lack of return on investment with top RB prospects.

the other is the Chargers trading away a top QB prospect who said he wouldn't play for them for another lesser QB prospect despite having a great QB prospect already on the roster.
im saying you cant judge the RB's rings or lack of rings based on their draft situations :lol...

[Infinite_limit]

Their season started off with really bad vibes between Harbaugh, the GM, the owner, and the players. Too much drama. It shouldn't surprise anyone that they've have a down year. Also, they tied their cart to the wrong horse. Kraep hasn't done shit ever since teams started preparing for his legs more than his arm.
It's surfacing that Jed York might have been responsible for all those locker room issues rumors. Looks like they didn't want to pay for a top tier HC so they bad mouthed him.

49ers will
- Possibly draft a First 2 Rounds QB to challenge Kaepernick
- Likely to bring back Kaepernick with a new HC/system

[spurraider21]

It's surfacing that Jed York might have been responsible for all those locker room issues rumors. Looks like they didn't want to pay for a top tier HC so they bad mouthed him.

49ers will
- Possibly draft a First 2 Rounds QB to challenge Kaepernick
- Likely to bring back Kaepernick with a new HC/system
that's probably the right way to go. you cant really cut or trade Kaepernick, but you can definitely challenge him with a young QB. i'd imagine Colin would still open up as the starter, but he'd have a pretty short leash. same boat as RG3

[Clipper Nation]

:lol take that offer and stick it where the sun don't shine

I mean, it's the Raiders. They would do that trade in an instant. :lol

[Infinite_limit]

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/blogs/Kaepernick-jersey-fire-Raiders.jpg

[spurraider21]

I mean, it's the Raiders. They would do that trade in an instant. :lol
times are changing. we actually have a quarterback in place who can be a long term answer

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You think the Vikings, Bears, and Chiefs haven't gotten proper return on their investment? Murray has an inability to stay healthy, but that could've been with any player drafted at any position. Bell is currently a monster, and Shady will probably have 1,500 yards from scrimmage in a year when his line was decimated. He's pretty much a 1,600 scrimmage yards per season back aside from the years when he explodes for over 2,000. As for Lynch, he was a risk prior to draft, and the Bills were unable to contain that risk, unlike the team that traded for him. But he was a 1,300 yards from scrimmage back on a very bad team in Buffalo.

If you're going to judge proper return on investment in Superbowls, that's way too steep, and unrealistic. Only one of those trophies come out per season, and this is the ultimate team game. Which means you'll need more than just a star RB, or star QB to make it happen.

I think Vander's point is that there is an obvious theme of superbowl winners not being teams that have invested high draft picks in the RB position.

IMO it's dumb to consider Demarco Murray or Jamaal Charles a high pick, 3rd round isn't much of a risk. I'd even say picking a RB in the 2nd round can turn out fine, but using a 1st rounder on a running back is absolutely retarded. Even with Adrian Peterson, the only deep playoff run he ever had was on a pass first team with Favre throwing 30+ touchdowns. There are also plenty of the Chris Johnson types who show 1st round talent but then fall off a cliff after 2-3 seasons.

[Clipper Nation]

times are changing. we actually have a quarterback in place who can be a long term answer

He just hasn't been fully Raiderized yet. He'll be the next JaMarcus in no time. :downspin:

[spurraider21]

I think Vander's point is that there is an obvious theme of superbowl winners not being teams that have invested high draft picks in the RB position.

IMO it's dumb to consider Demarco Murray or Jamaal Charles a high pick, 3rd round isn't much of a risk. I'd even say picking a RB in the 2nd round can turn out fine, but using a 1st rounder on a running back is absolutely retarded. Even with Adrian Peterson, the only deep playoff run he ever had was on a pass first team with Favre throwing 30+ touchdowns. There are also plenty of the Chris Johnson types who show 1st round talent but then fall off a cliff after 2-3 seasons.
the Vikings FO was largely inept, and if Favre never landed in their laps for that one magic season, who would be the best QB they had during the Peterson era? Tarvaris Jackson? Christian Ponder? Matt Cassel? Joe Webb? and its not like there were any QB's worth taking during that draft anyway. It was Russell, Quinn, Kolb, Stanton, Edwards, Beck, Thigpen, and Troy Smith.

I don't think the drafting of Peterson was what held the Vikings back for the past decade :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

the Vikings FO was largely inept, and if Favre never landed in their laps for that one magic season, who would be the best QB they had during the Peterson era? Tarvaris Jackson? Christian Ponder? Matt Cassel? Joe Webb? and its not like there were any QB's worth taking during that draft anyway. It was Russell, Quinn, Kolb, Stanton, Edwards, Beck, Thigpen, and Troy Smith.

I don't think the drafting of Peterson was what held the Vikings back for the past decade :lol

That's a strawman since I never said it was. My overall point was that as great as Peterson has been for Minnesota, it hasn't done a whole lot to cover up how shitty of a team they've been over the years.

Peterson is also the exception. Look at other RBs taken in the 1st round in recent years:

Trent Richardson
Doug Martin
David Wilson
Mark Ingram
C.J. Spiller
Javid Best
Ryan Matthews
Knowshon Moreno
Donald Brown
Beanie Wells
Darren McFadden
Jonathan Stewart
Felix Jones
Rashard Mendenhall
Chris Johnson

I don't think there's a single player on that list who ended up being worth the 1st round pick.

[spurraider21]

That's a strawman since I never said it was. My overall point was that as great as Peterson has been for Minnesota, it hasn't done a whole lot to cover up how shitty of a team they've been over the years.

Peterson is also the exception. Look at other RBs taken in the 1st round in recent years:

Trent Richardson
Doug Martin
David Wilson
Mark Ingram
C.J. Spiller
Javid Best
Ryan Matthews
Knowshon Moreno
Donald Brown
Beanie Wells
Darren McFadden
Jonathan Stewart
Felix Jones
Rashard Mendenhall
Chris Johnson

I don't think there's a single player on that list who ended up being worth the 1st round pick.
i wasn't trying to suggest that RB's in the first round are a good thing. in fact i've been saying RB production is easily replaceable (which is why seahawks would be wise to let Lynch go)... but the notion that the league's great RB's are available in the late rounds or UDFA is also wrong. most teams with good RB's invested a relatively early pick (rounds 1-3)

and as for the vikings thing i was responding to your "even with peterson they only made one deep run" comment. and of course one draft pick isn't going to coverall for a team with a bunch of shitty holes, unless its a transcendent QB like manning, brady, rodgers, luck

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

i wasn't trying to suggest that RB's in the first round are a good thing. in fact i've been saying RB production is easily replaceable (which is why seahawks would be wise to let Lynch go)... but the notion that the league's great RB's are available in the late rounds or UDFA is also wrong. most teams with good RB's invested a relatively early pick (rounds 1-3)

and as for the vikings thing i was responding to your "even with peterson they only made one deep run" comment. and of course one draft pick isn't going to coverall for a team with a bunch of shitty holes, unless its a transcendent QB like manning, brady, rodgers, luck
Well I agree with that. Using a 3rd rounder on a RB is actually smart imo since a RB in the 3rd round has a much higher chance at contributing immediately than an OL/DL who's gonna be a 2-3 year project before producing.

The only point I'm making with Peterson is that even when taking a RB in the 1st round does work out, said RB still isn't going to do a whole lot in today's league without a good passing game or an elite defense, i.e., it's a high risk to take a RB in the 1st round, and not a whole lot of reward.

[spurraider21]

Well I agree with that. Using a 3rd rounder on a RB is actually smart imo since a RB in the 3rd round has a much higher chance at contributing immediately than an OL/DL who's gonna be a 2-3 year project before producing.

The only point I'm making with Peterson is that even when taking a RB in the 1st round does work out, said RB still isn't going to do a whole lot in today's league without a good passing game or an elite defense, i.e., it's a high risk to take a RB in the 1st round, and not a whole lot of reward.
peterson singe handedly kept the Vikings relevant every year though. if the FO did a better job of building an offense they would have made several deep runs. of course, he's a rarity, and at his peak is the best RB i've seen, or at least right there with Faulk and Tomlinson.

this year's draft supposedly has 10+ RB's that are supposed to go in the first 3 rounds, it will be interesting to see who bites first

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

peterson singe handedly kept the Vikings relevant every year though. if the FO did a better job of building an offense they would have made several deep runs. of course, he's a rarity, and at his peak is the best RB i've seen, or at least right there with Faulk and Tomlinson.

this year's draft supposedly has 10+ RB's that are supposed to go in the first 3 rounds, it will be interesting to see who bites first

I fully expect someone to take Gurley in the 1st round and to regret it later on. Way too much mileage at Georgia warrant a high pick.

If I were Gurley I'd already be planning my lawsuit against UGA & the NCAA after I have to retire from the NFL at age 25 :lol

[spurraider21]

I fully expect someone to take Gurley in the 1st round and to regret it later on. Way too much mileage at Georgia warrant a high pick.

If I were Gurley I'd already be planning my lawsuit against UGA & the NCAA after I have to retire from the NFL at age 25 :lol
Gurley tore his ACL so I doubt he'd go in the first.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Gurley tore his ACL so I doubt he'd go in the first.

Currently #22 on McShay's Big Board :lol

[spurraider21]

Currently #22 on McShay's Big Board :lol
:lmao

[Spur-Addict]

I think Vander's point is that there is an obvious theme of superbowl winners not being teams that have invested high draft picks in the RB position.

IMO it's dumb to consider Demarco Murray or Jamaal Charles a high pick, 3rd round isn't much of a risk. I'd even say picking a RB in the 2nd round can turn out fine, but using a 1st rounder on a running back is absolutely retarded. Even with Adrian Peterson, the only deep playoff run he ever had was on a pass first team with Favre throwing 30+ touchdowns. There are also plenty of the Chris Johnson types who show 1st round talent but then fall off a cliff after 2-3 seasons.

Well, if we're going to change what's high in terms of the draft from 1-3, to 1 for a RB then of course the discussion changes. But I'd question this in regards to skill positions in general for players selected in the first round (QB, RB, WR, TE obviously). Routinely there are busts in all skill positions in this round. I think it's unfair to solely isolate the RB position in terms of franchise success with early 1st round selections. 2013 for instance had Tavon Austin and Cordarrelle Patterson go in the first round, neither of which have done shit in two years. RG3 for instance, E.J Manuel, Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Dalton, Kaepernick etc.

Obviously having the foundation players in tact are far more important, as a team like STL in the hardest conference in football has six wins without exceptional skill position players. But based on what he (Vander) presented, I think there was a lot of value gained from RBs drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, and happens thereafter with the rest of the team is highly based on the organizations front office ability to have proper synergy with the coaches scheme.

[Chinook]

Still think Jim is the problem. Also, I'm not sure the current FO is really good a building a team. They still seem dependent on the previous regime's players.

I don't think there's a huge point in investing in running backs outside of the late rounds. Sure, the best ones may be high picks, but you can find 1,000-yard rushers off the scrap heap. I don't see much added value in using a pick on an RB that could go to a lineman.

[Infinite_limit]

Lowell Cohn:


"Anyway, Harbaugh isn’t the only 49er Jed should fire. Jed should go on a firing spree.

He should fire quarterback Colin Kaepernick for never living up to his overhyped potential, for starting Sunday’s game with a pick, for ruining the Niners in the fourth quarter with another pick. Who was he throwing that second pass to? No 49er was in the area code.

Jed should fire Kaepernick for his 54.4 passer rating — the pits. Carr’s rating was 140.2. Carr has more poise than Kaepernick, has more of a quarterback’s bearing than Kaepernick, and Carr is a mere rookie.

But the Niners can’t fire Kaepernick because they have no one else. They are stuck with this mope of a sourpuss.

After the game, the sourpuss came to the interview room. He hates the media so much he seemed to grind his teeth. No one in that media room picked off his bad passes.

Asked what went wrong, he said “We haven’t played well.”


This just in. Please stop the presses. Colin Kaepernick says the 49ers haven’t played well.

Asked why he’s not playing at a high level, he explained. “I have to play better.”

Why isn’t he playing better?

“I haven’t been playing well.”

His news conferences are torture. He acts like a suspect at the police station. His play also is suspect, when you come down to it. And he was Harbaugh’s big mistake. Another reason Jed should ditch Harbaugh."


http://www.pressdemocrat.com/sports/3217697-181/lowell-cohn-close-the-book

[spurraider21]

Still think Jim is the problem. Also, I'm not sure the current FO is really good a building a team. They still seem dependent on the previous regime's players.

I don't think there's a huge point in investing in running backs outside of the late rounds. Sure, the best ones may be high picks, but you can find 1,000-yard rushers off the scrap heap. I don't see much added value in using a pick on an RB that could go to a lineman.
yep. the guy calling the shots was Scott McLoughan, who was with the 49ers from 05 to 09 during their rebuild... and then we went to Seattle and was there from '10 to '14.

[Infinite_limit]

Kaep being a team leader


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjIBMe5lmxE#t=24

[spurraider21]

Kaep being a team leader


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjIBMe5lmxE#t=24
http://instagram.com/p/wVE1rRL5_b/?utm_source=partner&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=photo

[Spur-Addict]

Bowman activated

[Robz4000]

Team leader Bowman coming back to lead his team. League better be on notice, Niners coming for dat ass.

[The Gemini Method]

Team leader Bowman coming back to lead his team. League better be on notice, Niners coming for dat ass.

Is he playing WR or TE?

[Robz4000]

Is he playing WR or TE?

Everything, but most importantly QB and HC. Clench your teeth Seattle fan, y'all are first...

[The Gemini Method]

Everything, but most importantly QB and HC. Clench your teeth Seattle fan, y'all are first...

I sure hope so. The product you put up against us got beat the fuck up by us and the Raiders. Let's hope its a good game and we don't stomp y'all out once again.

[Robz4000]

I sure hope so. The product you put up against us got beat the fuck up by us and the Raiders. Let's hope its a good game and we don't stomp y'all out once again.

Damn son, you sound upset at the prospect of what the Niners are about to do to your beloved Shithawks. Wanna talk about it?

[The Gemini Method]

Damn son, you sound upset at the prospect of what the Niners are about to do to your beloved Shithawks. Wanna talk about it?

Naw. Upset? That team? :lol

[spurraider21]

:lol at comin at the raiders with a sorry-ass receiver like crabtree

[Robz4000]

:lol at comin at the raiders with a sorry-ass receiver like crabtree

We're coming for dem draftpicks son. All two hundred of them in exchange for Harbaugh.

[Infinite_limit]

SUPER BOWL here we come

http://vlsportysexycool.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Kaep-shoe-collection.jpg

[Holden_Caulfield]

kaep with a mysterious injury, gabbert starts, leads them to NFC champoionship

[spurraider21]

We're coming for dem draftpicks son. All two hundred of them in exchange for Harbaugh.
that's actually got me nervous tbh. one scenario i heard is we swap firsts and get jimmy. even that seems pretty steep considering we know the niners dont want him

[Avante]

The Niners are done as far as 2014 goes. Simply too much bullshit going on.

[spurraider21]

i would have gone with voodoo

[The Gemini Method]

The Niners are done as far as 2014 goes. Simply too much bullshit going on.

As much as I revel in this thought, I am a little disappointed. They have been a worthy adversary and to see them go through this turmoil sucks. We don't get that same vibe from the Cards.

[Robz4000]

that's actually got me nervous tbh. one scenario i heard is we swap firsts and get jimmy. even that seems pretty steep considering we know the niners dont want him

Come Ta Pappy

-Signed, Pappy

[Avante]

As much as I revel in this thought, I am a little disappointed. They have been a worthy adversary and to see them go through this turmoil sucks. We don't get that same vibe from the Cards.

There is no need to play silly ass.."I love my team"....with this, right now the team has all kinds of internal problems. And it's happening at the worst possible time of a season.

Look at the teams at the very top...they all have stability at the coach/QB combo. Look at the Niners right now when it comes to that.

We are one of the great franchises in league history, only the Steelers have won more SB's. Hard times in 2014.

[leemajors]

Hard times above.500 :cry

[Robz4000]

My big worry is that the Niners go the way of the Rangers: a season removed from a championship appearance with a good thing going, only for behind-the-scenes dick waiving fights to kill the team, leaving it to become dead last in the league soon after.

[Spur-Addict]

Hard times above.500 :cry

:lol My thoughts exactly. And even with what transpired last week, they're still capable of beating anyone any given week.

[Robz4000]

:lol My thoughts exactly. And even with what transpired last week, they're still capable of beating anyone any given week.

They're also capable of losing to anyone any given week.

COULD ALABAMA BEAT THE NINERS????????????

[Spur-Addict]

They're also capable of losing to anyone any given week.

COULD ALABAMA BEAT THE NINERS????????????

Not a chance

[Robz4000]

Not a chance

WE WILL SEE

[spurraider21]

WE WILL SEE
:lol ok lefty

[Robz4000]

:lol ok lefty

LETS WAIT AND SEE

[HI-FI]

yep. the guy calling the shots was Scott McLoughan, who was with the 49ers from 05 to 09 during their rebuild... and then we went to Seattle and was there from '10 to '14.
sounds like he left Seattle for "personal matters". He left the Niners because of "personal matters", which I read somewhere was alcohol related. He has a great eye for talent, but least he's no longer with Seadderall.

Tbh, Niners might be a trainwreck right now but least they generate interest. The worst era for me was the Dr. York era, when there was literally no purpose or passion to the team. At least Jed York has restored that. I hate to lose Harbaugh but he must really burn people out bad if they are ready to move on after 3 very successful seasons. I hope we rape the shit out of Oakland in draft picks. :tu

[spurraider21]

sounds like he left Seattle for "personal matters". He left the Niners because of "personal matters", which I read somewhere was alcohol related. He has a great eye for talent, but least he's no longer with Seadderall.

Tbh, Niners might be a trainwreck right now but least they generate interest. The worst era for me was the Dr. York era, when there was literally no purpose or passion to the team. At least Jed York has restored that. I hate to lose Harbaugh but he must really burn people out bad if they are ready to move on after 3 very successful seasons. I hope we rape the shit out of Oakland in draft picks. :tu
hopefully he can just give into his alcoholism and live in Oakland :lol

i'm really not a fan of sending picks over... McKenzie has been such a disaster in free agency, but he's been solid with drafts, wouldn't want to lose picks. i'd rather just go after a FA coach like Rex or Chucky

[Avante]

They're also capable of losing to anyone any given week.

COULD ALABAMA BEAT THE NINERS????????????

College teams have beaten pro teams before.