View Full Version : Mavs: Chandler Parson's Defense
mavsfan1000
12-10-2014, 05:49 AM
Not good.
King Emmanuel
12-10-2014, 05:51 AM
bend over ill show you some bad defense
djohn2oo8
12-10-2014, 08:38 AM
Yup
I actually think his D has been better than expected. Trust me........ the Mavs defense sucks from all angles right now, no reason to single out CP
djohn2oo8
12-10-2014, 02:36 PM
I actually think his D has been better than expected. Trust me........ the Mavs defense sucks from all angles right now, no reason to single out CP
He scored 30 points last night and almost had a double double, but still had a negative +/- because of defense (-5)
Every player on the Mavs had a negative plus/minus.... not a real shocker there. Point is, Parsons is the least of the Mavs problems right now. Without him last night they aren't even in that game.
They desperately need another big man behind Tyson
ohmwrecker
12-10-2014, 02:46 PM
Every player on the Mavs had a negative plus/minus.... not a real shocker there. Point is, Parsons is the least of the Mavs problems right now. Without him last night they aren't even in that game.
They desperately need another big man behind Tyson
They shoulda kept Dejuanaburger.
djohn2oo8
12-10-2014, 02:46 PM
They need perimeter defense, like in 2011. And a pg.
Jodelo
12-10-2014, 03:03 PM
Every player on the Mavs had a negative plus/minus.... not a real shocker there. Point is, Parsons is the least of the Mavs problems right now. Without him last night they aren't even in that game.
They desperately need another big man behind Tyson
This. His D is not as worse as mentioned here. The whole team needs to get up on D.
mavsfan1000
12-10-2014, 03:27 PM
I just thought we concentrated too much on improving the offense this off season. Ariza would've been the ideal choice IMO. He can do both offense and defense.
Jodelo
12-10-2014, 04:05 PM
I just thought we concentrated too much on improving the offense this off season. Ariza would've been the ideal choice IMO. He can do both offense and defense.
Yeah, shooting an awesome .381...
djohn2oo8
12-10-2014, 04:10 PM
Yeah, shooting an awesome .381...
Ariza's defense makes up for it.
Phillip
12-10-2014, 04:24 PM
I actually think his D has been better than expected. Trust me........ the Mavs defense sucks from all angles right now, no reason to single out CP
This. He hasn't been a defensive stalwart, but his defense has not been quite as bad as people are making it out to be. His bad defense is generally due to laziness to close/rotate, or lapses (fixable things, that Carlisle can hopefully get worked out as the season goes on), as opposed to being a guy that just gets dominated on the defensive end (something that simply cannot be fixed).
He scored 30 points last night and almost had a double double, but still had a negative +/- because of defense (-5)
Actually, that had little to nothing to do with his plus minus. Dirk and Monta playing like absolute trash had more to do with it.
Malik Hairston
12-10-2014, 04:28 PM
Dallas's perimeter defense is the reason I've been pessimistic about them since the Summer, while many people considered and still consider them to be legit contenders..
You can't win an NBA title when only 1 player in your starting 5 is an above average defensive player, tbh..
Nelson- terrible
Ellis- average
Parsons- average
Dirk- average
Chandler- good
Harris and Wright are solid 2-way players that can fill in, but the other plus defender on the roster(Aminu) is going to kill their offense with his atrocious perimeter shooting..they're a good defensive piece away..
That 2011 team had 3 elite defenders in Kidd, Marion and Chandler..
Phillip
12-10-2014, 04:28 PM
They need perimeter defense, like in 2011. And a pg.
Perimeter defense, yes it definitely needs to improve. However, the PG situation (aside from defense) is adequate, considering how much Ellis, Parsons, and Dirk get the ball in their hands. Nelson, Harris and Barea has offensively handled the PG position just fine. Nelson with the starting lineup mainly needs to spot up for 3s, while Harris and Barea need to attack when in off the bench. They don't really need a floor general type PG who sets everything up, because Dirk and Ellis mostly handle that, and Barea does a great job of it while in games.
Jodelo
12-10-2014, 04:32 PM
That 2011 team had 3 elite defenders in Kidd, Marion and Chandler..
+ Stevenson. Man, what a D that was! And Haywood as a backup for Chandler was luxury.
AlexJones
12-10-2014, 04:37 PM
I miss Jason Kidd. I'll never forget him shutting Kobe/LeBron/Westbrook/Wade down in the 4th quarters of that playoff run.
Phillip
12-10-2014, 05:07 PM
Harris and Wright are solid 2-way players that can fill in, but the other plus defender on the roster(Aminu) is going to kill their offense with his atrocious perimeter shooting..they're a good defensive piece away..
That 2011 team had 3 elite defenders in Kidd, Marion and Chandler..
Aminu isn't some supreme shooter, but he's no different offensively than Marion (who couldn't shoot either), except that he can actually handle the ball decently. He's a better player than people give him credit for being.
Kidd's defense had some nice moments in the clutch, but was generally overrated and far from elite, in fact he was often being ragged on for his defense that year. He had a couple nice possessions in the playoffs against Kobe and Durant that caused everyone to overreact and classify him back as an elite defender, when he really wasn't. He frequently got raped by anyone with an ounce of speed.
gnsf0946
12-10-2014, 05:13 PM
Dallas's perimeter defense is the reason I've been pessimistic about them since the Summer, while many people considered and still consider them to be legit contenders..
You can't win an NBA title when only 1 player in your starting 5 is an above average defensive player, tbh..
Nelson- terrible
Ellis- average
Parsons- average
Dirk- average
Chandler- good
Harris and Wright are solid 2-way players that can fill in, but the other plus defender on the roster(Aminu) is going to kill their offense with his atrocious perimeter shooting..they're a good defensive piece away..
That 2011 team had 3 elite defenders in Kidd, Marion and Chandler..
Didn't some say in the Dallas-Spurs series last season how Dirk's defense is some of the worst ever?
I doubt Dirk is even average tbh.
Phillip
12-10-2014, 05:13 PM
I miss Jason Kidd. I'll never forget him shutting Kobe/LeBron/Westbrook/Wade down in the 4th quarters of that playoff run.
He didn't shut anyone down. He had a couple good possessions here and there against Kobe and Durant, and basically just dared Westbrook to shoot. He really was just kinda fortunate he didn't have to run into any real quick guards like Parker or CP3, otherwise they would have made mincemeat of him like they usually did.
Phillip
12-10-2014, 05:14 PM
Didn't some say in the Dallas-Spurs series last season how Dirk's defense is some of the worst ever?
I doubt Dirk is even average tbh.
Dirk is still a decent on man defender, and is good about ensuring people are properly positioned on defense, but is a TERRIBLY lazy help defender, which is the most important aspect of team defense.
noob cake
12-10-2014, 07:48 PM
202th in DRPM.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/6/sort/DRPM
29th in Salary for 50th in RPM production, 111th in PER.
Overpaid, but obviously not a trash player. Good 2nd/3rd option stealing Dirk's hard earned money.
Every player on the Mavs had a negative plus/minus.... not a real shocker there. Point is, Parsons is the least of the Mavs problems right now. Without him last night they aren't even in that game.
They desperately need another big man behind Tyson
Bend over, you'll get a big man behind you.
Leonard>>>Parsons
Switch them, Mavs are instantly the best in the West, he'd elevate everyone's game.
Franklin
12-11-2014, 04:27 AM
nash's defense wasn't very good either but it still didn't prevent him from being a terrific player. Parsons would best suit the role of a play-making forward but currently he's being used more like a spot-up shooter. our guards need to slash more and dribble less imho, neither Monta nor Nelson is a legit play maker imho.
Thread
12-11-2014, 09:17 AM
^But (we, Media, yada) don't talk about Nash being terrific. We have to wait for him to get back here then it'll be permitted. He'll make all the valley appearances under the guidance of a prestigious Scottsdale PR firm...snickering about the Lakers, falsely entertaining calls for him to once again don the uni of the O & 47 Phoenix Suns, snickering about the Lakers, not talking about his white wife giving birth to a black baby, snickering about the Lakers, accepting inclusion into the Ring of Honor, snickering about the Lakers, about the burst at the seams when he is asked about Kobe Bryant. Declining to answer, but, snickering at the very end then ending the interview snickering about the Lakers.
Then, and only fucking then will he be a terrific player.
Phillip
12-11-2014, 01:21 PM
Leonard>>>Parsons
Switch them, Mavs are instantly the best in the West, he'd elevate everyone's game.
:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao
mavsfan1000
12-11-2014, 03:48 PM
nash's defense wasn't very good either but it still didn't prevent him from being a terrific player. Parsons would best suit the role of a play-making forward but currently he's being used more like a spot-up shooter. our guards need to slash more and dribble less imho, neither Monta nor Nelson is a legit play maker imho.
This team has no problem scoring. I think Parson's needs to sacrifice some offense and put more energy into defense. He doesn't have to score so much. We got plenty of playmakers.
dirk4mvp
12-11-2014, 05:41 PM
He's playing better overall since he stopped camping at the 3 pt line all game imo
Franklin
12-11-2014, 11:36 PM
biggest irony is our best and worst defenders both have "chandler" in their names.
Splits
12-12-2014, 12:12 AM
Dirk is still a decent on man defender, and is good about ensuring people are properly positioned on defense, but is a TERRIBLY lazy help defender, which is the most important aspect of team defense.
His PnR defense is awful, has no lateral ability anymore
Findog
12-12-2014, 01:25 AM
Mavs: 17-7
10-2 against the East
0-5 against current West playoff teams ( Spurs, Blazers, Suns, Rockets, Grizz )
They do have good wins against Washington, Toronto and Chicago, but that record so far against good West teams is scary as shit if you're a Mavs fan.
ElNono
12-12-2014, 01:28 AM
Mavs: 17-7
10-2 against the East
0-5 against current West playoff teams ( Spurs, Blazers, Suns, Rockets, Grizz )
They do have good wins against Washington, Toronto and Chicago, but that record so far against good West teams is scary as shit if you're a Mavs fan.
Spurs looked the same early last season, and you know how that ended. It's too early to draw many conclusions yet...
scanry
12-12-2014, 01:37 AM
Mavs: 17-7
10-2 against the East
0-5 against current West playoff teams ( Spurs, Blazers, Suns, Rockets, Grizz )
They do have good wins against Washington, Toronto and Chicago, but that record so far against good West teams is scary as shit if you're a Mavs fan.
The Spurs went through that same shit last year.
Findog
12-12-2014, 01:47 AM
Spurs looked the same early last season, and you know how that ended. It's too early to draw many conclusions yet...
Oh yeah, the Mavs are a VERY good team. It's not that I don't think they're legit. The West is just so fucking overloaded. A .701 winning % currently only gets you 7th in the West. I know they will start playing each other more and there will be attrition. Thunder are only two back in the loss column from Phoenix.
ElNono
12-12-2014, 02:20 AM
Oh yeah, the Mavs are a VERY good team. It's not that I don't think they're legit. The West is just so fucking overloaded. A .701 winning % currently only gets you 7th in the West. I know they will start playing each other more and there will be attrition. Thunder are only two back in the loss column from Phoenix.
yeah, the winning % in the West are ridiculous at the moment, but things really drop after the top 7... what's really retarded is that it's mid-december and you already have almost 30% of the league tanking, it's way too many teams. And it's not even that the next draft class has a plethora of over the top talent waiting in the wings, or that the league is watered down right now, you have guys like Melo, Rondo, Hibbert, David West, Carter-Williams, Monroe, Drummond, Amare, Oladipo, Favors, Hayward, Rubio, Pekovic, Kobe, Nick Young... all part of a tank (some hurt too though)... we're not even in January and some teams are already telling their players "go have surgery"...
Silver is going to have to do something about this, it's just ridiculous.
Thread
12-12-2014, 07:00 AM
^Now, NOW he "is going to have to do something about this"...you've already fed at the trough first, struck the template and now you want to close the trough. Look at ya:::all deeply concerned in stoic tones & furrowed brow.
Jesus H. Christ.
Franklin
12-12-2014, 08:59 AM
Findog threw some light on this issue. We're fake contenders until we get a good PG in the backcourt, which we haven't had since Kidd gone.
Phillip
12-12-2014, 12:24 PM
Mavs: 17-7
10-2 against the East
0-5 against current West playoff teams ( Spurs, Blazers, Suns, Rockets, Grizz )
They do have good wins against Washington, Toronto and Chicago, but that record so far against good West teams is scary as shit if you're a Mavs fan.
Spurs looked the same early last season, and you know how that ended. It's too early to draw many conclusions yet...
I was about to say the exact same thing as ElNono. Mavs are still developing chemistry. Give it time. Besides, mav fans know better than anyone how all that matters is getting hot entering the playoffs, considering how they looked like crap for almost all of March and April in 2011, looked like they would be 1st round fodder, then got called soft by Ricky C, got into a groove in the last 4 games, and won it all.
mavsfan1000
12-12-2014, 12:42 PM
Findog threw some light on this issue. We're fake contenders until we get a good PG in the backcourt, which we haven't had since Kidd gone.
Lol Once again offense hasn't been a problem. We miss Stevenson and younger Marion more. We got no good perimeter defenders.
ElNono
12-12-2014, 01:03 PM
^Now, NOW he "is going to have to do something about this"...you've already fed at the trough first, struck the template and now you want to close the trough. Look at ya:::all deeply concerned in stoic tones & furrowed brow.
Jesus H. Christ.
why are you so angry, tbh?
Phillip
12-12-2014, 04:26 PM
His PnR defense is awful, has no lateral ability anymore
Pretty much. He is only surviving on defense off of his BBIQ and positioning, because physically, he's in atrocious condition to be playing defense lol.
Phillip
12-12-2014, 04:34 PM
Findog threw some light on this issue. We're fake contenders until we get a good PG in the backcourt, which we haven't had since Kidd gone.
Of the issues on the team, PG is as small as it gets. Their offense doesn't have any problems with ball distribution and movement. The team as a whole has a pretty good IQ and understands how to attack defenses/mismatches well. I think Jameer and Barea both are actually running the position pretty well offensively, doing a solid job of setting up half court sets and being patient.
The defense is the problem. If they can simply fix their lazy, poor rotations on defense, they will be an adequate defensive squad, because that is where they get killed the most, is off of poor rotations on shooters. Those are just unnecessary mistakes they are making. You can live with post players like Marc Gasol having good games, or speedy skilled guards like Jrue Holiday having good games, because they elite level scorers that even top notch defensive teams often have no answer for. The Mavs need to put the clamps on the role players that are eating their lazy defense up, or allowing lackluster shooters getting hot because they are giving up extraordinarily wide open 3s, such as Tyreke Evans, or Tony Parker. If they fix those things, they can compete for a championship, and there is plenty of time left for them to do so as their chemistry should only improve.
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