Johnny Football Time Is Here

[FkLA]

http://sfu2.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/johnny-cleveland.jpg

Man, I cant wait for Sunday tbh.

[Kawhi]

Gonna be 0-1

[Avante]

I realize nobody cares much about high school exploits, oh well.

The guy was incredible in HS, totally amazing. On a whole other level....would work. We all know what he did at A&M, pretty much the same things he did in HS, yep...on another level. Well he won't be on another level this time but I do expect to see some magic, maybe not in his first start however.

I kinda think we'll see ...."wow!"...but a lot of..."Oops"....also. I can't see him being a consistant pocket passer, and he really is way too frail to think about running much. But.....with his skill set if he ran by design with the focus on ....get what ya can then bail.....that would make defending him rough. When it's....will he run or pass....it's hard on a defense. Everyone knows where Peyton/Brady will be.

[MultiTroll]

compelling.
Will watch.

[SupremeGuy]

It's a pretty big story, tbh. Everyone I know is talking about it.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Hope he does well, tbh

[DesignatedT]

Hell struggle some early on like all rookies do but if he continues to get down and avoid the big hit he will be a very solid qb. His passing skills have always been and continue to be very underrated. Guy can make every single throw asked of an NFL QB. There will be inconsistencies starting out and people will make a huge deal about those but what young QB doesn't make mistakes.

[benefactor]

He's a Manziel. Three season from now he'll be back in Tyler with the rest of his dumb shit relatives talking about renovating the Oil Palace.

[manufan10]

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[spurraider21]

http://twitpic.com/show/thumb/eae1ur.gif

[Trainwreck2100]

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two things i learned from this somehow fox took cbs's cookies (lol cbs) and brady quinn is a commentator now

[SupremeGuy]

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/MANZIEL-MONEY.gif

It begins...

[Avante]

Well I'll be damn, we are getting that Johnny Football game out in central Cali, why I have no idea.

[SupremeGuy]

Well I'll be damn, we are getting that Johnny Football game out in central Cali, why I have no idea.Because...

http://download.gamezone.com/uploads/image/data/1165223/Johnny_Football.png

[Fabbs]

http://download.gamezone.com/uploads/image/data/1165223/Johnny_Football.png
His teeth look kinda like Dracula.

[SupremeGuy]

Dammit, now all I see is a jewish vampire...

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B41OLAlCMAAdIKl.jpg:large

[SupremeGuy]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B41OLAlCMAAdIKl.jpg:largehttp://www.nerdacy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/mother-of-god-super-troopers-gif-i3.gif

[FkLA]

:hungry:

[BatManu20]

544159081305735169

[Blizzardwizard]

:lol

[jeebus]

http://i.imgur.com/Q9puyPM.gif

[Clipper Nation]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B41OLAlCMAAdIKl.jpg:large
Inbred soon to be the next bust on that graphic :lol

[spurraider21]

Inbred soon to be the next bust on that graphic :lol
he's making these guys look good

[spurraider21]

http://i.imgur.com/Q9puyPM.gif

:cry but making shitty throws worked in college :cry

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7294/9741446205_23799c01ac_o.gif

[benefactor]

lol

That is all

[djohn2oo8]

Lol SEC hype

[Clipper Nation]

http://i.imgur.com/8bil4Ik.png

:lmao

[benefactor]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/1507807_813566245352947_4736012573052013274_n.jpg? oh=27ab6140494f56da1dcab2015974b02f&oe=55098197&__gda__=1426425100_7d72ac4f818522ad0cb814c611cf06a b

[Hoops Czar]

I'd imagine you're going to continue seeing basic concepts until Manziel actually has a better grasp of the playbook.

There's been a mix of running from the pistol and more traditional formations, neither have been overly successful.

The biggest takeaway here is that you can expect more creativity when they can't execute basic.

He's not anything special, tbh.

[FkLA]

Disappointing but it will be overblown bc of how bad Cleveland played in all facets. Some poor decisions and timing issues that should improve with time. Retards will go with the 'lol monkeyball' analysis but his ability to extend plays is clearly a positive.

[spurraider21]

Disappointing but it will be overblown bc of how bad Cleveland played in all facets. Some poor decisions and timing issues that should improve with time. Retards will go with the 'lol monkeyball' analysis but his ability to extend plays is clearly a positive.
his problem is his reliance on his ability to extend plays. he struggles to execute a simple dropback-pass

[benefactor]

:lol Boomer going in dry..."This isn't Texas A&M the is the NFL."

[FkLA]

his problem is his reliance on his ability to extend plays. he struggles to execute a simple dropback-pass

He needs to find a balance. He had happy feet at times, other times his receivers just didn't make the catch after he extended the play.Your usage of the word reliance has always been retarded. It implies that that makes up the majority of his game.

[spurraider21]

He needs to find a balance. He had happy feet at times, other times his receivers just didn't make the catch after he extended the play.Your usage of the word reliance has always been retarded. It implies that that makes up the majority of his game.
im not even implying it i'm outright saying it

he hasn't shown that he can be an effective player from the pocket

[FkLA]

im not even implying it i'm outright saying it

he hasn't shown that he can be an effective player from the pocket

You said the same retarded shit about his game in college.

In college he was fine from the pocket. In the NFL, no he hasn't shown it after a grand total of one game.

[Malik Hairston]

Didn't watch the game, was he as bad as the numbers look? Because they look as bad as possible, tbh:lol..

[spurraider21]

You said the same retarded shit about his game in college.

In college he was fine from the pocket. In the NFL, no he hasn't shown it after a grand total of one game.
i said it then and i'm still saying it now. as a passer, he's a mediocre prospect. my opinion hasn't changed.

he doesn't have a weak arm, and he's not horribly inaccurate... but i dont think he knows how to play quarterback, at least in an NFL offense

[spurraider21]

Didn't watch the game, was he as bad as the numbers look? Because they look as bad as possible, tbh:lol..
he had some drops to be fair, but his second pick was literally everything we knew he was :lol... scrambled and threw a horrible, late ball up for grabs in the middle of the field

[Raven]

Didn't watch the game, was he as bad as the numbers look? Because they look as bad as possible, tbh:lol..

he had some garbage time production...

[weebo]

He needs to find a balance. He had happy feet at times, other times his receivers just didn't make the catch after he extended the play.Your usage of the word reliance has always been retarded. It implies that that makes up the majority of his game.

Nothing about the way he played today shows he will be a decent to good quarterback. He is everything every scout that didn't draft him said he is (i.e. too short, too undisciplined, poor pocket passer, etc.) Deal with it already and admit you were worshiping a false messiah.

[FkLA]

One game. As we've learned from yall and the Clowney vines, it's best to wait before coming to a conclusion either way.

[weebo]

One game. As we've learned from yall and the Clowney vines, it's best to wait before coming to a conclusion either way.

Clowney may or may not be a bust. The guy never played a complete game fully healthy to make any kind of assesment as we saw out of Fooseball today, besides Clowney never got the amount of slurping Fooseball gets from his fans and the national media.

[FkLA]

So all you need is one game and you'd know whether Clowney was good or not? :lol

[weebo]

So all you need is one game and you'd know whether Clowney was good or not? :lol

Yes, if you're looking to assess if he has enough skill and god-given talent to play at this level. Fooseball just showed that he has no business playing at this level.

[FkLA]

lol ok genius

[weebo]

lol ok genius

10/18 80 yds 0 TDs 2 INTs (1 more that was wiped out due to a penalty)

Hurts being so wrong don't it?? :lmao

[FkLA]

I can see the genius oozing out of every one of your posts.

[weebo]

Manziel first qb to be shut out in his first career start since that Titan QB HOF'er Rusty Smith :lol

[FkLA]

Keep dropping that knowledge, genius. :tu

[weebo]

It was so bad for Fooseball Hoyer was spotted warming up on the sidelines :lol

[Monostradamus]

It would have been hard for any QB to play well considering how fucking awful their O-line was. Along with RB's who were clueless in blitz pickups and their stone hands receivers. Manziel was bad, but his team did him no favors whatsoever.

[Raven]

Manziel first qb to be shut out in his first career start since that Titan QB HOF'er Rusty Smith :lol

manny already breaking records tbh

[jeebus]

It would have been hard for any QB to play well considering how fucking awful their O-line was. Along with RB's who were clueless in blitz pickups and their stone hands receivers. Manziel was bad, but his team did him no favors whatsoever.
:lol that's cuz his teammates don't like his useless ass

[weebo]

It would have been hard for any QB to play well considering how fucking awful their O-line was. Along with RB's who were clueless in blitz pickups and their stone hands receivers. Manziel was bad, but his team did him no favors whatsoever.

Doesn't Fooseball have that "it" factor that makes poor teams into good teams and good teams into great? The way this guy is hyped up you would think he was Almighty Jesus wearing number 2, while making miracles happen on the gridiron and leading the Browns and their fans to the promise land. :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Texans taking Manziel number one would have set them back YEARS.

[spurraider21]

Doesn't Fooseball have that "it" factor that makes poor teams into good teams and good teams into great? The way this guy is hyped up you would think he was Almighty Jesus wearing number 2, while making miracles happen on the gridiron and leading the Browns and their fans to the promise land. :lol
if only the "it" factor was capable of reading defenses

[Fabbs]

It would have been hard for any QB to play well considering how fucking awful their O-line was. Along with RB's who were clueless in blitz pickups and their stone hands receivers. Manziel was bad, but his team did him no favors whatsoever.
yep.
1st INT his receiver had all kinds of time to adjust his route and come back to the ball. Stands there like a dumbfuck and lets the db step in front of him for the easy pick.

[spurraider21]

yep.
1st INT his receiver had all kinds of time to adjust his route and come back to the ball. Stands there like a dumbfuck and lets the db step in front of him for the easy pick.
lol he should have thrown the ball a full 2 seconds earlier. you throw the ball late and the windows will close

[Fabbs]

lol he should have thrown the ball a full 2 seconds earlier. you throw the ball late and the windows will close
Joe Montana threw late balls that were caught. John Elway, Inbred Bradshaw, etc etc.
Receivers need to have a clue.

[spurraider21]

and Elway and Bradshaw ended up with over 200 picks apiece

[spurraider21]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/cincinnati-bengals/0ap3000000443185/Kirkpatrick-intercepts-Manziel

he was open... look at the last replay that starts at 0:37. the ball should have come out once he finished his drop. instead he held it, slid left, then threw it late while staring him down

[Monostradamus]

Doesn't Fooseball have that "it" factor that makes poor teams into good teams and good teams into great? The way this guy is hyped up you would think he was Almighty Jesus wearing number 2, while making miracles happen on the gridiron and leading the Browns and their fans to the promise land. :lol
Don't be purposely obtuse.

[DJR210]

I can see the genius oozing out of every one of your posts.

:lol

[FkLA]

I'm a Football homer but both the picks were on him. The first one he should've let go sooner like Philo said, I think that will come with time. The second one was just a horrible decision and the type of play that he should eliminate from his game. I do agree that he had some pretty extenuating circumstances to deal with this game though. Looking forward to seeing how my nigga bounces back tbh.

[spurraider21]

I'm a Football homer but both the picks were on him. The first one he should've let go sooner like Philo said, I think that will come with time. The second one was just a horrible decision and the type of play that he should eliminate from his game. I do agree that he had some pretty extenuating circumstances to deal with this game though. Looking forward to seeing how my nigga bounces back tbh.
:tu

i agree, the first pick is something that is going to come with experience. he hasn't played in a pro style offense, which is based on timing/drop-backs/route concepts. even though the left side of the field looked cluttered, you can see Gordon running a fly route to clear the area. instead he waited until the space vacated and only then threw it. ideally you throw it knowing that the space WILL vacate based on the routes you are running and the fact that they're playing man

the second pick is basically what i always made fun of him for, with that gif of his jump pass and shit (even though in the gif i always post its a completion)... that's gna have to be erased from his mental playbook

the receivers weren't doing him any favors, but its clear the defense was teeing off on Manziel because they knew what was coming with all the zone-read stuff

[weebo]

Manziel becomes the sixth quarterback in the last 20 years to be shut out in his first start, and the first since the great Rusty Smith of Tennessee in 2010.

The other greats include: Dave Ragone of Houston (2003), Henry Burris of Chicago (2002), Spergon Wynn of Cleveland (2000) and Danny Wuerffel of New Orleans (1997).

But ya let's blame extenuating circumstances....:rolleyes

[Fabbs]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/cincinnati-bengals/0ap3000000443185/Kirkpatrick-intercepts-Manziel

he was open... look at the last replay that starts at 0:37. the ball should have come out once he finished his drop. instead he held it, slid left, then threw it late while staring him down
Ball should have come out earlier.
Doesn't change the fact #16 had all kinds of time to come back for the ball.
a. make the catch. 14-15 yard gain.
or
b. easily break up the INT

[spurraider21]

i never said the receiver was exempt from blame. but it was a poor throw and he got punished for it. not everybody is going to have the packers/broncos receivers.

[Avante]

He'll be fine.....next season. No he's never going to be an elite QB. But how many great QB 's ha Cleveland had, yep...one..Otto Graham. Brian Sipe wasn't bad.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

We get homeboy next week in Carolina

[Thread]

Just shows ya what a bunch of professional football players can do when adequately prompted.

Couldn't get 'em off their asses since Week 3, but, Media got 'em all riled up by dousing gasoline on the whole fuckin' mess. Not that there ever is, but, not a good time to be white here.

Motherfuckers.

[Pelicans78]

He'll be fine.....next season. No he's never going to be an elite QB. But how many great QB 's ha Cleveland had, yep...one..Otto Graham. Brian Sipe wasn't bad.

Kosar was really good for awhile.

[FkLA]

No Football on CBS in Texas bc of the Texans. Not like anybody outside of Houston gives a shit about that shitty ass franchise. :pctoss

If anybody finds a good stream PM me tbh.

[Mal]

Johnny getting W today, vs pocket passing version of Cam Newton.

[djohn2oo8]

No Football on CBS in Texas bc of the Texans. Not like anybody outside of Houston gives a shit about that shitty ass franchise. :pctoss

If anybody finds a good stream PM me tbh.

lol no more hype around Johnny Bench

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Johnny getting W today, vs pocket passing version of Cam Newton.

No way

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I wonder how Football is going to take that first tackle from Luke K.

[Silver&Black]

No Football on CBS in Texas bc of the Texans. Not like anybody outside of Houston gives a shit about that shitty ass franchise. :pctoss

If anybody finds a good stream PM me tbh.

Watch NFL Redzone. They showed every Johnny Football play last week...and I don't see it being any different this week.

Redzone is the shit tbh...

[weebo]

No Football on CBS in Texas bc of the Texans. Not like anybody outside of Houston gives a shit about that shitty ass franchise. :pctoss

If anybody finds a good stream PM me tbh.

People are a little squeamish this time of year (holidays and all), and chances are the clowns at CBS would rather not nationally televise Johnny Midget's terrible QB play and pending spinal cord injury.

[leemajors]

Watch NFL Redzone. They showed every Johnny Football play last week...and I don't see it being any different this week.

Redzone is the shit tbh...

Really lame you don't get it on directv unless you have the NFL package.

[FkLA]

Damn I don't have Redzone. Hopefully NFL Network provides some coverage.

[Silver&Black]

Really lame you don't get it on directv unless you have the NFL package.

Redzone is free on the basic comcast/Xfinity package...

However; I don't recommend comcast to anyone.

[leemajors]

Redzone is free on the basic comcast/Xfinity package...

However; I don't recommend comcast to anyone.

I had u verse for a while, red zone was awesome. Switched to directv and while the pic quality is amazing it was disappointing to not have red zone while having NFL network. Don't have any cable now and happier not paying for it tbh

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I wonder how Football is going to take that first tackle from Luke K.

The answer to that question is that he got injured

[Raven]

I wonder how Football is going to take that first tackle from Luke K.



(1:49) Brian Hoyer incomplete pass to the right intended for Andrew Hawkins.



Time Out
(1:49) Cleveland TIMEOUT.



1st&10 at Cle 20
(1:54) Johnny Manziel rush to the left for a loss of 1 yard to the Cle19. Tackled by Luke Kuechly and Colin Jones.






not good :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[djohn2oo8]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5ZzbrXIcAEqLka.jpg

[Clipper Nation]

Johnny Inbred time is here....

http://i.imgur.com/ywSrvHY.jpg

[weebo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5ZzbrXIcAEqLka.jpg

:lmao

[jeebus]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5ZzbrXIcAEqLka.jpg


:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[FkLA]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5ZzbrXIcAEqLka.jpg

:lol That's pretty funny. Hope Football's hammy is ok tbh.

[spurraider21]

Little guy running around as much as he does isn't gna stay healthy

[weebo]

On a third down and long play, on their first drive, little Johnny could not outrun a 300 lb defensive lineman to the first down marker. Later in the game, little Johnny was again chased down and this time apparently hurt his hamstring. Just goes to show you that the bullshit he could get away with in college won't fly in the NFL.

[leemajors]

Grossman turns down Browns:

http://deadspin.com/rex-grossman-turns-down-the-browns-1674459637

[Raven]

:lmao

[spurraider21]

:lol from another forum...

Anyone who had anything to do with that pick should be fired on the spot. Not just anyone who said "lets trade up for Manziel" but anyone who remained silent instead of shouting "NOOOOOO!!!!!" at the top of their lungs.


I never actually saw addressed any of the arguments against Manziel. He was hyped based on celebrity. Those who argued he was the best qb (especially that old TMZSPN fool) made vague arguments about how Manziel would succeed because he was just that awessome that he would always succeed at everything. Some allusions to intangible factors like magic. Numbers showing his effectiveness in college.


But the points about him having no pocket presence, running too often, about running qbs not working in the NFL, about him throwing the ball up and hoping Evans catches it, about the NFL being too fast and too hard and him to small and too slow, were never actually addressed. There were no answers. Imagined fairy dust clearly would not be able to completely cover all these problems.


And I never thought that people whose jobs are to pick players for an NFL team worth hundreds of millions of dollars, with millions of fans, would pick a player without answering any of those doubts.
If you are spending 3 months watching tape after tape, meeting the players, discussing it with all your colleagues in the team, then I don't understand how you can spend (late) 1st and 3rd round picks on a quarterback unless you are pretty sure he is going to be good.


Ever since the moment they drafted him its been clear they did not have that in Cleveland, that there were people who didn't want to spend a 1st on him but for one reason or another didn't speak their mind. That there wasn't no secret magic to Manziel that only Cleveland knew about.


I understand any player can be a bust. I understand there are players which coming out of college divide opinion on how good they can be. I understand that people can bust even if they look good. And in those cases a team might take a player becuase they see all the positives and think he can be a good player but it just doesn't turn out.


But sometimes, as in this case, people take a player despite knowing that they don't have many positives, and simply hoping and praying that they will getlucky and it will work.


With Manziel it was the latter. Watching and reading all the pre draft scouting reports and discussions and talks, I never heard people put forward solid arguments as to how his game would transition to the NFL.


Its shocking that a multi million dollar organization can show that level of incompetence. Its really not that hard. I know far less about American Football than 99% of posters here, been watching it far less, and knew little to nothing about the prospects in the draft besides the top 20 or so names, but I'm pretty sure that I could have had a better draft than the 1 billion dollar worth Cleveland team put together this year, simply by making sure picks are based entirely on potential and not on hype, planning for every scenario, making sure there is agreement within the team, forcing everyone to put forward real, tangible arguments as to why each player will be good. etc.


I do not believe Cleveland had some secret information about Manziel that no one in the media or on the 20 NFL teams that passed on him, had, that led them to believe he would succeed. They knew as much as everyone else, but took him anyway for the same reason Manziel threw that ball up for his 2nd interception against Cincinati, for the same reason a degenerate gambler bets his mortgage on a game of chance. Hoping everything will be all right.


Their decision to trade the 5th rounder to trade up 1 spot for Gilbert who Minnesota were not likely to take, confirms to me the Browns didn't really know what they were doing.


Buffalo's decision to trade a 1st round pick to move up 4 spots for a wide receiver in a deep wide receiver class was the same, as to a lesser extent I felt the Texans decision to not trade up for Bridgewater or to take Carr when both players had clear upsides, and a 2nd round pick isn't that much, also showed surprising incompetence for an NFL level organization.


All of those above decisions truck me at the time as desperate or stupid, and they struck people in this forum at the time as stupid and desperate, and they didn't work out. Its no coincidence that they didn't work out. They were % wise the wrong play, and based on something other than the question of what is best for the franchise going forward.


Far better to do what Jacksonville did and possibly overdraft a quarterback when the entire organization is at least in agreement for months leading up to the draft that this is the player who the team will attempt to build itself around.


Those sort of picks prove that one doesn't really require talent to work in the NFL (outside of playing). Some people who work in the NFL may have talent, but if people who actually thought it was worth a first and third round pick to get Manziel, managed to get jobs in the NFL then any goofball with the right luck and connections can get a job there.

[Raven]

^ pretty much spoke my mind, as i've been saying for almost a year..

[benefactor]

:lol...carpet bombed truth tbh

[FkLA]

Guy is a retard. Football has plenty of things going for him. That Cleveland offense was horrible before he got thrown in there, its actually the reason why he got thrown in there...and when he doesn't fix it in his first two career starts hes an automatic bust. Ok. :lol

[spurraider21]

He made it worse

[FkLA]

Couldn't be bc it was his first two career starts against two teams still fighting for a playoff spot, while the other dude scrubbing it up had years and double digit career starts under his belt.

Nah its bc he's an automatic bust, obviously.

[spurraider21]

Couldn't be bc it was his first two career starts against two teams still fighting for a playoff spot, while the other dude scrubbing it up had years and double digit career starts under his belt.

Nah its bc he's an automatic bust, obviously.
Hoyer had four career starts prior to the season.

I'm not calling manziel a bust based on his limited action this year. I didn't have high hopes anyway and I just haven't seen anything to change that

[FkLA]

Hoyer had four career starts prior to the season.

I'm not calling manziel a bust based on his limited action this year. I didn't have high hopes anyway and I just haven't seen anything to change that

And multiple years in the league and double digit starts by the time he got pulled for scrubbing it up.

You posted a post where the guy is going at Football right after his two starts, Philo...

[Raven]

Guy is a retard. Football has plenty of things going for him. That Cleveland offense was horrible before he got thrown in there, its actually the reason why he got thrown in there...and when he doesn't fix it in his first two career starts hes an automatic bust. Ok. :lol

i don't know man, to me, when it concerns a qb, it is more important what he doesn't have going for him than what he does have (which in JFF's case, is being white :lol). An undersized qb with a weak arm a tendency to run and a bad work ethic cannot be an average qb in the nfl, not even in his dreams, no matter how many other things he has going for him.

[FkLA]

You continue to call his arm weak even though the large majority of people disagree. Even analysts or posters that think he won't succeed agree that arm strength isn't the problem. There's not much one can do when you are so blinded by your hate tbh.

[Raven]

You continue to call his arm weak even though the large majority of people disagree. Even analysts or posters that think he won't succeed agree that arm strength isn't the problem. There's not much one can do when you are so blinded by your hate tbh.

i don't know if i ever saw him throw a bullet tbh , but let's say he has an average arm, is that enough when he can't read defenses and can't seem to grasp a playbook? I'd like to know which of the traits he had before, you now found out he doesn't.

[unleashbaynes]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000448789/article/johnny-manziel-wants-to-take-job-a-lot-more-seriously

:cry im gonna try a lot harder next time guys i swear! :cry
:cry study film? throwing mechanics? footwork? staying in the pocket? the fuck is all that man? just gimme a tall receiver to throw it up to every time! :cry
:cry wtf?? you're 300 lbs! you're not supposed to be as fast as me! :cry

[FkLA]

i don't know if i ever saw him throw a bullet tbh , but let's say he has an average arm, is that enough when he can't read defenses and can't seem to grasp a playbook? I'd like to know which of the traits he had before, you now found out he doesn't.

Well the difference is I never claimed he didn't have faults. Reading defenses, being comfortable with a playbook and just play in general improves over time.

But in your mind a 22 year old is a finished product after two career starts. :lol

[Raven]

Well the difference is I never claimed he didn't have faults. Reading defenses, being comfortable with a playbook and just play in general improves over time.

But in your mind a 22 year old is a finished product after two career starts. :lol

that's not the point, for me drafting him in the 7th would have been fire worthy, that's not the issue here. What i'm trying to understand, is why did you think he has a chance to be good.

[FkLA]

that's not the point, for me drafting him in the 7th would have been fire worthy, that's not the issue here. What i'm trying to understand, is why did you think he has a chance to be good.

Of course you do. I've posted why I think he can be good plenty of times, and no six bad quarters hasn't changed my mind.

[spurraider21]

He can certainly improve with time (if he's committed to his craft and puts the time and work in. I just think he was a very overrated nfl prospect and he's done nothing besides validating that train of thought

[Raven]

Of course you do. I've posted why I think he can be good plenty of times, and no six bad quarters hasn't changed my mind.

so you agreed before that he had a bad work ethic?

[FkLA]

He can certainly improve with time (if he's committed to his craft and puts the time and work in. I just think he was a very overrated nfl prospect and he's done nothing besides validating that train of thought

lol fuck outta here

He had a lot of attention surrounding him bc of who he is, but as an NFL prospect he was never considered some sure thing. He had plenty of detractors. No other QB in his class stood out and the QB position is always a hot commodity during drafts...so being in the mix with all of them really had nothing to do with him supposedly being overrated.

[FkLA]

so you agreed before that he had a bad work ethic?

Nah. Pettine and teammates said he'd been doing the right things when he was the back-up. His comments seem like people looking for shit to nitpick...saying he wants to work harder is not the same thing as saying he was lazy.

[spurraider21]

lol fuck outta here

He had a lot of attention surrounding him bc of who he is, but as an NFL prospect he was never considered some sure thing. He had plenty of detractors. No other QB in his class stood out and the QB position is always a hot commodity during drafts...so being in the mix with all of them really had nothing to do with him supposedly being overrated.
Tebow was similar in that regard. Very flawed prospect (in different ways) who was drafted way too high because of college stats and celeb status hype. His supporters cited the "it factor" as a response to valid criticisms

[FkLA]

Jesus here we go. Just get it over with and bring up Vince Young too. Who gives a shit if their arm strength and release aren't on par with Football's.

Lets also just ignore that no QB in this past class stood out.

[spurraider21]

Jesus here we go. Just get it over with and bring up Vince Young too. Who gives a shit if their arm strength and release aren't on par with Football's.

Lets also just ignore that no QB in this past class stood out.
i didnt say they have the same flaws. in fact, if we're talking pure arm strength, vince young is better than johnny. But i specifically said they were flawed prospects in different ways. but yes, much like vince young (an obviously flawed prospect) and like Tim Tebow (a very obviously flawed prospect), Manziel was drafted way higher than he should have been because of his notoriety.

there were some very harsh manziel critics pre-draft... so dont act like he was universally loved or universally considered a first round caliber player

i still remember merril hoge predicted that if somebody takes manziel in the first round, there will be firings in that front office within a few years :lol

[FkLA]

Not just different but completely unrelated. You don't compare guys whos biggest flaw was something as fundamental as their throwing motion to a guy like Football. Its beyond idiotic and its amazing that some of you still use those guys as legit comparisons.

And no shit he had a healthy amount of detractors. That was my point, high profile =/= rated higher than he should've been. What round do you suggest he should've gone in anyway? Considering how sought after QBs are and the fact that no other QB stood out I'm not sure how much lower you expected him to go. Nevermind the fact that by your logic the other first round QBs would fall under 'extremely overrated NFL prospects' category as well.

[spurraider21]

Not just different but completely unrelated. You don't compare guys whos biggest flaw was something as fundamental as their throwing motion to a guy like Football. Its beyond idiotic and its amazing that some of you still use those guys as legit comparisons.
you are completely missing the boat. i'm not comparing their flaws, and i've been very clear in that. heck, young and tebow were VERY different players... the comparison i'm making is that they were celeb status college players with the "it factor" which got them drafted in much higher positions than the tape should have dictated.


And no shit he had a healthy amount of detractors. That was my point, high profile =/= rated higher than he should've been. What round do you suggest he should've gone in anyway? Considering how sought after QBs are and the fact that no other QB stood out I'm not sure how much lower you expected him to go. Nevermind the fact that by your logic the other first round QBs would fall under 'extremely overrated NFL prospects' category as well.
i thought Bortles was drafted too high. i was fine with where Bridgewater and Carr were drafted (tbh i actually figured the raiders would need to trade back up into the first to take Carr). i had manziel behind carr, bridgewater, bortles, and mettenberger. i didnt want the raiders to draft him (except for one day where i was delusional and i soon after retracted that :lol) because i didn't think he had NFL quarterback written on him

[djohn2oo8]

lol Manziel. Nigga, like Vince, can't read a playbook

[FkLA]

you are completely missing the boat. i'm not comparing their flaws, and i've been very clear in that. heck, young and tebow were VERY different players... the comparison i'm making is that they were celeb status college players with the "it factor" which got them drafted in much higher positions than the tape should have dictated.



I knew what you were trying to say. Its retarded.

You can use the celebrity shit with those two guys bc they had fundamental flaws in their throwing motions and still got picked as high as they did. Football doesn't have that fundamental flaw. He actually has good tools to work with and his flaws are more fixable than their flaws ever were. Not sure why it's so hard for you to see the difference.



i thought Bortles was drafted too high. i was fine with where Bridgewater and Carr were drafted (tbh i actually figured the raiders would need to trade back up into the first to take Carr). i had manziel behind carr, bridgewater, bortles, and mettenberger. i didnt want the raiders to draft him (except for one day where i was delusional and i soon after retracted that :lol) because i didn't think he had NFL quarterback written on him

lol Mettenberger

Have any of those guys done anything? By yalls standard Im assuming a first round QB has to perform like rookie Andrew Luck or they end up confirming that they were 'massively overrated' NFL prospects. :lol

[spurraider21]

I knew what you were trying to say. Its retarded.

You can use the celebrity shit with those two guys bc they had fundamental flaws in their throwing motions and still got picked as high as they did. Football doesn't have that fundamental flaw.No. instead he has several other fundamental flaws


He actually has good tools to work with and his flaws are more fixable than their flaws ever were.
i disagree with most of this. i dont think he has good tools to work with. he's a scrambler who isn't as fast as most defensive ends. he has an average arm with mediocre, inconsistent accuracy. not to mention he seems to be completely inept when it comes to running a pro-style offense. you have mediocre football tools virtually no football IQ


Not sure why it's so hard for you to see the difference.
probably because i disagree with you fundamentally




lol Mettenberger

Have any of those guys done anything?
i dont care what they've done. i'm telling you how i felt about these guys at the time of the draft.

By yalls standard Im assuming a first round QB has to perform like rookie Andrew Luck or they end up confirming that they were 'massively overrated' NFL prospects. :lol
no. now you are just making a strawman argument. i think carr and bridgewater have played damn well to justify their draft positions, and in fact have outperformed them. bortles and manziel have underachieved (manziel in his limited time).

i never set ridiculously high standards for what a QB needs to do in year 1, but there are NO standards by which manziel played well in his limited time.

[FkLA]

:lol As if Tebow and Young weren't known as scramblers as well. They had all the flaws you mentioned+had ridiculous throwing motions+never did as much damage as Football did through the air even in college. Finding a balance, while not guaranteed, is much more fixable than having to fix fundamental things like a throwing motion or accuracy.

If you can't acknowledge something as simple as that there is really no reason to have a discussion with you tbh.

[Raven]

if anything, considering preseason, season and contest, imo the qb generation should be ranked like this:
Carr
Garoppolo
Bortles
Mettemberger
Manager
Thomas
Manziel

so i put manziel above savage and the cincinnati guy, both of which have not shown anything at all.

[Raven]

:lol As if Tebow and Young weren't known as scramblers as well. They had all the flaws you mentioned+had ridiculous throwing motions+never did as much damage as Football did through the air even in college. Finding a balance, while not guaranteed, is much more fixable than having to fix fundamental things like a throwing motion or accuracy.

If you can't acknowledge something as simple as that there is really no reason to have a discussion with you tbh.
how can you call accurate someone who made a living out of throwing jump balls?

[FkLA]

lol homer

What the hell has Garappolo even done? How about Logan Thomas?

[FkLA]

how can you call accurate someone who made a living out of throwing jump balls?

link to where he made a living off of that? Seems like you really enjoy pulling anti-Football stuff out of your ass tbh.

[Raven]

lol homer

What the hell has Garappolo even done? How about Logan Thomas?

he has shown he is the complete package tbh. Thomas has shown he has a strong arm, which is more than Manziel.

[FkLA]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/mdn.gif

[spurraider21]

:lol As if Tebow and Young weren't known as scramblers as well. They had all the flaws you mentioned+had ridiculous throwing motions+never did as much damage as Football did through the air even in college. Finding a balance, while not guaranteed, is much more fixable than having to fix fundamental things like a throwing motion or accuracy.

If you can't acknowledge something as simple as that there is really no reason to have a discussion with you tbh.
tebow and young were fundamentally different from manziel and from each other :lol

[spurraider21]

not sure how you can have teddy behind anybody except arguably Carr tbh

i understand many of us here billed him as a game manager before he was drafted and we want to stick to our guns... but he's shown he has what it takes to be an NFL qb. He's been miles better than Bortles this season... are people still thinking of preseason Bortles when ranking him, tbh?

[Raven]

not sure how you can have teddy behind anybody except arguably Carr tbh

i understand many of us here billed him as a game manager before he was drafted and we want to stick to our guns... but he's shown he has what it takes to be an NFL qb. He's been miles better than Bortles this season... are people still thinking of preseason Bortles when ranking him, tbh?
Im talking about prospects.

[benefactor]

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:lol...Fagball is just like Paul and the rest of his rich asshole family that thinks that they don't have to follow anyone's rules but their own. I'm so glad he's not really a threat to become a legit NFL QB. It would be much worse if he was actually good.

[spurraider21]

ive been pretty hard on manziel here, and i haven't even gone into his off-field persona :lol

i do think this season was good for him though... if he had early success with his :cry playmaking" i think he'd get complacent. not winning the starting gig and then stinking up the joint let him know its not going to be a cupcake ride. but if he comes back next season with similar demeanor and play, i'd cut the cord. i dont think he has enough upside to warrant a very long leash

[FkLA]

OMG he was late once, he doesn't follow any rules ever!!

You sound like a jealous teenage girl with a grudge tbh.

[benefactor]

OMG he was late once, he doesn't follow any rules ever!!

You sound like a jealous teenage girl with a grudge tbh.
And he was busy snorting coke in bathrooms instead of learning the playbook:lol

And he flipped off the opposing team during a preseason game when he was trying to earn a starting job:lol

The rules don't apply to the Manziels. They never have. The family has had run ins with the law for decades from everything from illegal oil deals and shady business practices to drugs. They are lowlifes that get their ass covered in my city/county because of the huge good ole boy network here.

It doesn't matter though tbh. He'll never be a starting QB and fade will into obscurity on some bench, while making hookers/blow headlines a couple of times per season until teams don't want him anymore.

[spurraider21]

OMG he was late once, he doesn't follow any rules ever!!

You sound like a jealous teenage girl with a grudge tbh.
Didn't he cost himself a preseason start by being late to a team meeting or something along those lines tbh?

[FkLA]

Like I said you sound like a jealous teenage girl with a grudge. Its personal for you in that way.

He shouldn't be late but it's a minor mistake. For you to use this as a springboard to go into how he doesn't have any rules is laughable.

[Avante]

I'm a firm believer in .....don't jump the gun, give things some time....when it comes to sports. Sooooooooo many times we see things change if given some time, well this won't be one of them. Manziel simply doesn't care enought about being an NFL QB. Oh sure he'll say what has to be said but it's real obvious he's too immature to ever be a leader of men which is a huge part of the game.

If I'm Cleveland I'm dumping him now. Why waste anymore time on the kid?

[spurraider21]

Like I said you sound like a jealous teenage girl with a grudge. Its personal for you in that way.

He shouldn't be late but it's a minor mistake. For you to use this as a springboard to go into how he doesn't have any rules is laughable.
its a very minor mistake. but its especially glaring when he had some concerns coming n about how seriously he took it all... and then it manifested itself. he should have been on his "best behavior" since there were already questions about him going in. and he even fucked that up

[benefactor]

Like I said you sound like a jealous teenage girl with a grudge. Its personal for you in that way.

He shouldn't be late but it's a minor mistake. For you to use this as a springboard to go into how he doesn't have any rules is laughable.
Has nothing to do with grudges or anything like that. He's under a generational curse. So far he's shown no signs of breaking it.

[benefactor]

I'm a firm believer in .....don't jump the gun, give things some time....when it comes to sports. Sooooooooo many times we see things change if given some time, well this won't be one of them. Manziel simply doesn't care enought about being an NFL QB. Oh sure he'll say what has to be said but it's real obvious he's too immature to ever be a leader of men which is a huge part of the game.

If I'm Cleveland I'm dumping him now. Why waste anymore time on the kid?
I grew up in the same area his family did. Let's just say the apple doesn't seem to have fallen far from the tree.

[djohn2oo8]

549212927556075520

:lmao

[djohn2oo8]

http://imagizer-cv.imageshack.us/a/img222/467/icecannonball2.gif

[jeebus]

548955141983186945

:lol...Fagball is just like Paul and the rest of his rich asshole family that thinks that they don't have to follow anyone's rules but their own. I'm so glad he's not really a threat to become a legit NFL QB. It would be much worse if he was actually good.
:lol Inbred was too busy sitting on his Dad's cock, receiving his christmas present.

[Clipper Nation]

Didn't he cost himself a preseason start by being late to a team meeting or something along those lines tbh?
Let's not forget the snorting coke in a bathroom incident, the autograph scandal, etc.

[jeebus]

Let's not forget the snorting coke in a bathroom incident, the autograph scandal, etc.
How many lol threads will be made when Clipboard is found dead in a few years?

[JoeTait75]

Like I said you sound like a jealous teenage girl with a grudge. Its personal for you in that way.

He shouldn't be late but it's a minor mistake. For you to use this as a springboard to go into how he doesn't have any rules is laughable.

Did you watch either of his two starts? Did he look like a guy who's been working his tail off to learn his position? Because to me he looked like he had no idea WTF he was doing out there.

Manziel can't afford to screw around. He isn't Brett Favre, who goofed off early in his career but skated by because he had great natural ability. Manziel doesn't have great natural ability, at least not at this level. He's going to have to work his ass off to make it in this league and he's admitted himself he hasn't done that. He'll be out of the league in a very short time if he doesn't put his nose to the grindstone. There's very little margin for error with him.

[spurraider21]

Fkla is essentially defending a former alcoholic because "calm down he only had one drink"

[benefactor]

:lol late because he partied all night
:lol never left college
:cry but he was only late one time :cry

[leemajors]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12087118/johnny-manziel-party-led-cleveland-browns-punishment-josh-gordon

[weebo]

...and moronic posters still defend this shithead :lmao

[FkLA]

Did you watch either of his two starts? Did he look like a guy who's been working his tail off to learn his position? Because to me he looked like he had no idea WTF he was doing out there.

Manziel can't afford to screw around. He isn't Brett Favre, who goofed off early in his career but skated by because he had great natural ability. Manziel doesn't have great natural ability, at least not at this level. He's going to have to work his ass off to make it in this league and he's admitted himself he hasn't done that. He'll be out of the league in a very short time if he doesn't put his nose to the grindstone. There's very little margin for error with him.

He looked like shit. Could be bc he didn't work hard even though there were no reports on it...and I think we both know if there was something like that to be reported while he was the back-up it would've come out. Or it could be bc he's a rookie that just wasn't ready to be thrown into a playoff race.

I wanted him to be thrown in there but he wasn't ready. He looked awful. Hes a dude that could do anything he wanted in college, he needs more than 6 quarters to adjust to the NFL. Who knows maybe he'll never be good enough but regardless 6 quarters isn't a fair amount.


I grew up in the same area his family did. Let's just say the apple doesn't seem to have fallen far from the tree.

We had no idea. Its not like you bring the Footballs up any chance you get like a little jealous teenage girl. Nope not at all.


Fkla is essentially defending a former alcoholic because "calm down he only had one drink"

fucking philo...

:lmao

[spurraider21]

Is the "jealous teenage girl" thing supposed to sting?

[benefactor]

Is the "jealous teenage girl" thing supposed to sting?
Almost hurts as much as when TD21 calls me a fat, inbred hick.:cry

[FkLA]

Not even directed at you. Youve been trying hard to jump into the Football convo but it ain't working, Philo.

[FkLA]

Almost hurts as much as when TD21 calls me a fat, inbred hick.:cry

I live in Tyler, the same town as the Footballs, and they they're rich assholes. :cry

[benefactor]

I'm not sure where the whole jealousy angle comes from anyway. No one around here wants to be a Manziel. The whole family is scum. They aren't even good at being criminals.:lol

[FkLA]

Well, for one they're irrelevant to all of us and yet here you are bringing them up every chance you get. :lol

[benefactor]

But that's not jealousy tbh. I just want him to fail because those faggot Manziels deserve it.

[FkLA]

Call it what you want. Its still feminine behavior. Especially when you've brought them up like ten times in this thread alone.

[benefactor]

:lol...ok.

[FkLA]

Men derail coversations constantly to get in jabs at a certain person or people?

:lol....ok.

[spurraider21]

why did this become a thread about "jealousy". some of us saw the manziel failure coming from a mile away, and this season has illustrated both his on and off the field issues (though i mainly focus on the on-the-field stuff). sure, like anybody else, he has a chance to get better, but he's just not a great prospect imo, and nothing from what i've seen has changed my opinion.

[benefactor]

You basically just described this whole site in one sentence.:lol

[FkLA]

Bro, the jealousy stuff was not directed at you or anyone other than bene for that matter...

[Clipper Nation]

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549325611710574592

Johnny Inbred time is already over :lmao

[djohn2oo8]

drip drip drip, derp derp derp

[unleashbaynes]

nothing feminine at all about nutriding

[djohn2oo8]

549325312681865218

549325611710574592

Johnny Inbred time is already over :lmao
:lmao out of the league in record time

[FkLA]

You basically just described this whole site in one sentence.:lol

Yeah, ST posters always fit in real life people they dislike into sports threads. Happens all the time.

[benefactor]

Yeah, ST posters always fit in real life people they dislike into sports conversations. Happens all the time.
Well look a that...you are moving the goalposts again. Shocker.

[spurraider21]

anything to change the topic from manziel to other posters :lol

[benefactor]

nothing feminine at all about nutriding
Changing your skin depending on the circumstances is a pretty female thing to do as well.

[FkLA]

Well look a that...you are moving the goalposts again. Shocker.

Please. You can hide behind technicalities if you want faggot. Truth is equating posters going at each other to you bringing up the Footballs is pretty dumb.

You being retarded again. Shocker.

[Clipper Nation]

Changing your skin depending on the circumstances is a pretty female thing to do as well.
So is publicly begging for a Mexican flag.

:lmao FkTrannies

[FkLA]

549325312681865218

549325611710574592

Johnny Inbred time is already over :lmao


:lmao out of the league in record time

How soon will he be out of the league?

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao out of the league in record time
:lol Even Leaf, Russell and Tebow lasted more than one year

[Brazil]

:lol dat thread tbh

[Raven]

I need to take my job more seriously, but first I'm going to throw a giant party that will make us all late tomorrow.

Signed,

Johnny 8-Ball


:lmao

[Avante]

I do look for NFL teams to start taking character/personality/maturity more into account that ever before because of Manziel/Winston. No way I'm drafting Winston, it's real obvious he has no clue what's going on, yep, just like Manziel.

[jeebus]

http://sfu2.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/johnny-cleveland.jpg

Man, I cant wait for Sunday tbh.

https://scontent.fsnc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xla1/t31.0-8/10379491_1098667690179918_3945517860186787125_o.jp g

[benefactor]

He's a Manziel. Three season from now he'll be back in Tyler with the rest of his dumb shit relatives talking about renovating the Oil Palace.
Looks like he will beat my prediction.:lol

[Spurs9]

Apparently 3 teams still interested in him too :lol

[Raven]

hm, yeah... I was right.