Online Racist Publicly Shamed.

[ohmwrecker]

Too bad all the chickenshit racists here get to post in anonymity.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/north/yellowknifer-pablo-saravanja-outs-man-for-racism-online-1.2866643

[Infinite_limit]

Link doesn't work for me

[Trill Clinton]

Serves him right.

[Avante]

Me either.

I find the term...racist...a bit misleading. You automatically think of a negativity. Why I have never understood. We are different, if we weren't we wouldn't have the different races.

Imagine life on Mars, Venus, Saturn. Obviously they are all dramatically different. To be aware of those obviously differences is a negative?

I've been to Japan, Thailand, China, Viet Nam, the Phillipines. At 6-2 I towered over those people. Why this need to pretend it isn't like that?

Who here has ever seen an Asian at the welfare office or on skid row, or holding up a sign begging for food/money?

We are different and it's real obvious.

[ohmwrecker]

Fixed link.

Avante, racism isn't about people being different.

[Infinite_limit]

Current day, the term racist holds no meaning. It's almost more over used than anti-semite.

People just roll their eyes.

[Trill Clinton]

I've never been to the welfare office but I'm sure there are poor Asians who need assistance

[Infinite_limit]

Too bad all the chickenshit racists here get to post in anonymity.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/north/yellowknifer-pablo-saravanja-outs-man-for-racism-online-1.2866643
Saravanja posted the man’s name, photo, and comments on his own Facebook site and invited people, including whoever the man’s employer might be, to condemn the racism.


Harassment instead of simply deleting him from your friends?

[ohmwrecker]

Current day, the term racist holds no meaning. It's almost more over used than anti-semite.

People just roll their eyes.

It holds "no meaning" because people try to evade it by saying shit like "we're all different".

[Avante]

Fixed link.

Avante, racism isn't about people being different.

noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.

[ohmwrecker]

Saravanja posted the man’s name, photo, and comments on his own Facebook site and invited people, including whoever the man’s employer might be, to condemn the racism.


Harassment instead of simply deleting him from your friends?

He was held accountable for his bullshit. He got what he deserved. People would talk a lot less shit on the internet if this happened more often.

[Avante]

It holds "no meaning" because people try to evade it by saying shit like "we're all different".

Do you have idea at all about what you are trying to talk about?

[ohmwrecker]

noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.

Right. You can recognize differences without assigning superiority.

[Infinite_limit]

He was held accountable for his bullshit. He got what he deserved. People would talk a lot less shit on the internet if this happened more often.
He basically stalked the accusers friends list and added people.

Photoshopping doesn't exist?

[ohmwrecker]

Do you have idea at all about what you are trying to talk about?

What are you having difficulty with?

[Trill Clinton]

I just found out CNN did away with their comment section because of racist losers.

Racists should be shamed just like pedos.

[Avante]

Right. You can recognize differences without assigning superiority.

It is about how we are different however.

[Avante]

What are you having difficulty with?

Your assumption that there is only one kind of racism and it must be a negative.

[ohmwrecker]

Your assumption that there is only one kind of racism and it must be a negative.

Nope. There is only one kind. You copy/pasted the definition.

[ohmwrecker]

He basically stalked the accusers friends list and added people.

Photoshopping doesn't exist?

So, this guy photoshopped the racist comments and shamed an innocent man? Why?

[Avante]

Nope. There is only one kind. You copy/pasted the definition.

You try hiring only Asians at your computer company and you will be called a racist. Denying work to whites/blacks in your peach fields while only hiring hispanics, you will be called a racist. That is totally different than the defintion.

Saying things like hispanic women make the best lovers, racism.

Have a football coach say..."I only recruit black players"....he'll be called a racist.

[Infinite_limit]

So, this guy photoshopped the racist comments and shamed an innocent man? Why?
I'm saying Facebook shouldn't allow such stalking & harassing.

[ohmwrecker]

You try hiring only Asians at your computer company and you will be called a racist. Denying work to whites/blacks in your peach fields while only hiring hispanics, you will be called a racist. That is totally different than the defintion.

Saying things like hispanic women make the best lovers, racism.

Have a football coach say..."I only recruit black players"....he'll be called a racist.

I never said that people don't know what racism is... I think this thread proves that.

[RD2191]

Awesome

[Thread]

Me either.

I find the term...racist...a bit misleading. You automatically think of a negativity. Why I have never understood. We are different, if we weren't we wouldn't have the different races.

Imagine life on Mars, Venus, Saturn. Obviously they are all dramatically different. To be aware of those obviously differences is a negative?

I've been to Japan, Thailand, China, Viet Nam, the Phillipines. At 6-2 I towered over those people. Why this need to pretend it isn't like that?

Who here has ever seen an Asian at the welfare office or on skid row, or holding up a sign begging for food/money?

We are different and it's real obvious.

It's not the best post I've ever seen, I just can't recall the one's that better.

[ohmwrecker]

I'm saying Facebook shouldn't allow such stalking & harassing.

That's not really the point... Life isn't fair sometimes. Sometimes you get murdered by cops, sometimes you are held personally responsible for shit you say on the internet. :cry

[Avante]

I never said that people don't know what racism is... I think this thread proves that.

You make any distinction about anything that has to do with race and you will called a racist. It doesn't have to be about a feeling of racial superiority at all. It's more about what some races excell at compared to others. Simply the realities of life.

[DMC]

That was one of the most boring stories I've ever read the 1st three lines of.

[Infinite_limit]

That's not really the point... Life isn't fair sometimes. Sometimes you get murdered by cops, sometimes you are held personally responsible for shit you say on the internet. :cry
Short of "I hate X. We should physically hurt X"

What did he do wrong?

[lefty]

cool tbh

[ohmwrecker]

Short of "I hate X. We should physically hurt X"

What did he do wrong?

I think that is appropriate punishment for that action.

[Avante]

I live in central Cali or Mexico North.

Judy and I had two children, it was all we thought we could afford, yep, we had a plan. We don't see that with the Hispanics, there is no plan. So there's a family of 8 trying to live off 30,000 grade a year if that. That won't work, so there goes the wife down to the welfare office...............

That is a very very reality around here, a fact of life. Us tax payers having to support another Hispanic family because there was no thought of..."can we afford all these kids"...at all.

Am I a racist or a realist?

[ohmwrecker]

You make any distinction about anything that has to do with race and you will called a racist. It doesn't have to be about a feeling of racial superiority at all. It's more about what some races excell at compared to others. Simply the realities of life.

People who do that don't really understand racism. You posted the definition yourself and you still don't understand the difference.

[ohmwrecker]

I live in central Cali or Mexico North.

Judy and I had two children, it was all we thought we could afford, yep, we had a plan. We don't see that with the Hispanics, there is no plan. So there's a family of 8 trying to live off 30,000 grade a year if that. That won't work, so there goes the wife down to the welfare office...............

That is a very very reality around here, a fact of life. Us tax payers having to support another Hispanic family because there was no thought of..."can we afford all these kids"...at all.

Am I a racist or a realist?

It's racist if you believe that this condition is applicable to all hispanics or that only hispanics take advantage of the welfare system. At best, you are making a socio-economic observation based in prejudice. At worst, you are making broad, sweeping judgments on a specific ethnic population and yes, that is racism.

[DPG21920]

So are NFL teams racist because there's a system in place that seems to hugely favor black males for extremely high paying jobs?

[ohmwrecker]

Who is that question for, Deeps?

[Avante]

People who do that don't really understand racism. You posted the definition yourself and you still don't understand the difference.

I gave you the number 1 defintion because it talked about the differences, something you said it wasn't about. There are other defintions. It's not all about racial superiority at all, it's also about respecting those obvious differences.

Please stop with this ridiculous...you don't understand it...silliness, ok? I'm not the one who thinks it isn't about our obvious differences, that would be you.

[Avante]

It's racist if you believe that this condition is applicable to all hispanics or that only hispanics take advantage of the welfare system. At best, you are making a socio-economic observation based in prejudice. At worst, you are making broad, sweeping judgments on a specific ethnic population and yes, that is racism.

All anyone has to do is look at stats and %'s, it's all there. When do facts become racism?

[ohmwrecker]

I gave you the number 1 defintion because it talked about the differences, something you said it wasn't about. There are other defintions. It's not all about racial superiority at all, it's also about respecting those obvious differences.

Please stop with this ridiculous...you don't understand it...silliness, ok? I'm not the one who thinks it isn't about our obvious differences, that would be you.

If you are respecting the differences, that isn't racism.

[Avante]

So are NFL teams racist because there's a system in place that seems to hugely favor black males for extremely high paying jobs?

The NFL is anything but racist, they couldn't care less about black/white/blue. They look at talent.

It's in the colleges that we see racism. Schools sending scouts out to high schools with a huge % of black athletes.

[Avante]

If you are respecting the differences, that isn't racism.

Try telling that to the father of the white running back who can't get a scholarship because the schools only has black backs.

[ohmwrecker]

All anyone has to do is look at stats and %'s, it's all there. When do facts become racism?

When you make judgments and assumptions based on those facts that degrade a group of people.

[Aztecfan03]

You make any distinction about anything that has to do with race and you will called a racist. It doesn't have to be about a feeling of racial superiority at all. It's more about what some races excell at compared to others. Simply the realities of life.

Just because someone says it, doesn't make it true.

[ohmwrecker]

Try telling that to the father of the white running back who can't get a scholarship because the schools only has black backs.

I would tell that father his son should have run faster.

[Avante]

Just because someone says it, doesn't make it true.

But it is true, you are putting people in situations based on race.

[Avante]

I would tell that father his son should have run faster.

Anytime someone gets anything because of their race, racism is involved. It's not always the negative you are trying to make it out to be.

Jackson state wants a rap band at their graduation party, yep, it must be a black group. That is racism.

[Avante]

When it come to them old moan n' groan blues out of Mississippi in 1927, it must be as black as night, yep I'm a racist. Being a racist if I;m looking for some honty tonk/shit kickermusic, it's gotta have that twang, only some white redneck will work.

That as nothing at all to do with racial supriority at all, it's simply reality.

[ohmwrecker]

Anytime someone gets anything because of their race, racism is involved. It's not always the negative you are trying to make it out to be.

Jackson state wants a rap band at their graduation party, yep, it must be a black group. That is racism.

Nope. That's not racism. It's preference coupled with a high percentage of rap groups being black.

[ohmwrecker]

When it come to them old moan n' groan blues out of Mississippi in 1927, it must be as black as night, yep Im a racist.

That's not racism either. You are really bad at this.

[Avante]

Nope. That's not racism. It's preference coupled with a high percentage of rap groups being black.

That is without question racism.

[Avante]

That's not racism either. You are really bad at this.

I had a feeling you had no idea what racism was, you don't.

[DPG21920]

Who is that question for, Deeps?

It was kind of a joke. It does tie into racism as yall are discussing (when is something racist vs just what it is) but it was more tounge in cheek.

[ohmwrecker]

Where is the superiority? Who's being opressed? Who is being held down?

[ohmwrecker]

It was kind of a joke. It does tie into racism as yall are discussing (when is something racist vs just what it is) but it was more tounge in cheek.

I'm just glad you didn't seriously expect me to answer that.

[DPG21920]

I would tell that father his son should have run faster.

So you are acknowledging there is a difference in black men and white men as a whole when it comes to sports (NFL, NBA, ect..)?

[ohmwrecker]

So you are acknowledging there is a difference in black men and white men as a whole when it comes to sports (NFL, NBA, ect..)?

Generally speaking, yes. There are a lot of reasons for that though.

[DPG21920]

I would tell that father his son should have run faster.

Serious question here: When you see predominantly white head coaches, do you tell the black counterparts to just coach better and they will get the jobs, or is there racism there vs running backs just being faster?

[Avante]

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Racism consists of both prejudice (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Prejudice) and discrimination (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Discrimination) based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. It often takes the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems that consider different races (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Race_(classification_of_humans)) to be ranked as inherently superior (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Supremacism) or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities. It may also hold that members of different races should be treated differently.[1] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-1)[2] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-schaefer-2)[3] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-newman-3)
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We can acknowledge the facts that we have differences without having to be negative about things.

There is no doubt of any kind that the negroid race is more suited for athletic events that require speed, that is a proven fact. Nothing negative about it but that is a racist statement. It is also a proven fact that 70% of black children grow up in a one parent home. Yep another racist but true statement.

[DPG21920]

Generally speaking, yes. There are a lot of reasons for that though.

What reasons? Also, so it would not be racist to say black men are better at sports in general? Would it be racist to say white quarterbacks are better in general?

[DPG21920]

With regards to the OP though, I'm in the middle on this. On one hand, I do believe people should be held accountable for their actions. On the other hand, something sort of makes you feel bad for people, especially when perhaps the justice wasn't done in the proper fashion.

It's like the Sterling situation with the NBA. Sterling is a terrible human. He should have been kicked out of the league a long time ago and deserves anything he gets. However, the way it went down was about as un-American as it gets and almost made me feel bad for him. It's a tough thing for me personally. Do the ends always justify the means?

[ohmwrecker]

Serious question here: When you see predominantly white head coaches, do you tell the black counterparts to just coach better and they will get the jobs, or is there racism there vs running backs just being faster?

The qualifications that are considered in the hiring of a head coach are very different and specific to the job as opposed to a player who is primarily given a contract based on athletic talent.

There could be racism involved. I don't really know.

[ohmwrecker]

What reasons? Also, so it would not be racist to say black men are better at sports in general? Would it be racist to say white quarterbacks are better in general?

I think education and socio-economic factors come into play. What does a kid go through in his life? What is his family like? How does he spend his time? What about his struggles attributed to his competitiveness in his chosen sport? Was he given tje same opportunities as someone who came from a different background?

I think if you are making generalizations based on race, you are just asking for trouble. Why do we feel the need to do that instead of treating everyone as an individual? I guess it's just easier for people, but I find it strange.

[DPG21920]

I think education and socio-economic factors come into play. What does a kid go through in his life? What is his family like? How does he spend his time? What about his struggles attributed to his competitiveness in his chosen sport? Was he given tje same opportunities as someone who came from a different background?

I think if you are making generalizations based on race, you are just asking for trouble. Why do we feel the need to do that instead of treating everyone as an individual? I guess it's just easier for people, but I find it strange.

I agree, but you just admitted that when it comes to sports there is a "difference". That right there doesn't allow for what you and I know to be right, no?

[ohmwrecker]

With regards to the OP though, I'm in the middle on this. On one hand, I do believe people should be held accountable for their actions. On the other hand, something sort of makes you feel bad for people, especially when perhaps the justice wasn't done in the proper fashion.

It's like the Sterling situation with the NBA. Sterling is a terrible human. He should have been kicked out of the league a long time ago and deserves anything he gets. However, the way it went down was about as un-American as it gets and almost made me feel bad for him. It's a tough thing for me personally. Do the ends always justify the means?

Not always, but the scales need to be balanced and that's how it goes down. Been that way for a long time tbh.

[DPG21920]

Not always, but the scales need to be balanced and that's how it goes down. Been that way for a long time tbh.

Well just like racisim or stereotypes, right is right and wrong is wrong, no?

[Avante]

There could be racism involved. I don't really know.

I knew you;'d come around.

[Avante]

I think education and socio-economic factors come into play. What does a kid go through in his life? What is his family like? How does he spend his time? What about his struggles attributed to his competitiveness in his chosen sport? Was he given tje same opportunities as someone who came from a different background?

I think if you are making generalizations based on race, you are just asking for trouble. Why do we feel the need to do that instead of treating everyone as an individual? I guess it's just easier for people, but I find it strange.

Talk to any cop about who makes his job harder.

You do come off as pretty naive about this.

[ohmwrecker]

I agree, but you just admitted that when it comes to sports there is a "difference". That right there doesn't allow for what you and I know to be right, no?

It's entertainment at the end of the day. I don.t really see anyone being denied any opportunities. The best entertainers are going to get the work. It's like being upset that some white guy didn't get the opportunity to be James Brown.

[Avante]

You need a computer wiz, a fruit picker, a sprinter and a weight lifter. Up pulls a mini van, out steps a little Asian cat, a tall black guy, a powerfully built European and a Mexican named Jose. Ok who is who?

[Avante]

It's entertainment at the end of the day. I don.t really see anyone being denied any opportunities. The best entertainers are going to get the work. It's like being upset that some white guy didn't get the opportunity to be James Brown.

So a shit kicker bar in west Texas is going to have Billy Warren and His Dominos as the house band, haha!!!!!!!! Come on man.

[ohmwrecker]

There could be racism involved. I don't really know.

I knew you;'d come around.

:lol because I don't know if there is racism involved in a hypothetical situation with no information?

Try to keep up, amigo.

[Avante]

:lol because I don't know if there is racism involved in a hypothetical situation with no information?

Try to keep up, amigo.

The bottom line is it's ok to acknowledge we have differences, it doesn't need to be a negative but it is racist.

Contractor tells a white guy......we do prefer the Hispanic workers, they were raised out in the fields we get more production out of them. All the guy did was tell the truth but the white guy is going to say what?

[ohmwrecker]

Well just like racisim or stereotypes, right is right and wrong is wrong, no?

There is a distinction between racism and stereotyping and unless we are talking about something specific with a certain amount of facts involved, I'm not going to generalize right and wrong.

[DPG21920]

It's entertainment at the end of the day. I don.t really see anyone being denied any opportunities. The best entertainers are going to get the work. It's like being upset that some white guy didn't get the opportunity to be James Brown.

That seems like a cop out to me. Even though the degree of importance is less, I agree, I guess I'm just a right is right and wrong is wrong. No matter how big or small the situation. If there are admitted differences, it's ok. But it's probably a bit foolish to think that doesn't play a role in things. If it plays a role in things, even sports, and denies anyone an opportunitiy at any time, it's wrong.

Now, it's easy to say the white RB who was just as good isn't done any harm by losing out in the NFL, but for someone that worked really hard they probably don't feel that way. I agree, though, it's not real oppression and there is the difference.

[ohmwrecker]

The bottom line is it's ok to acknowledge we have differences, it doesn't need to be a negative but it is racist.

I disagree. I don't think that acknowledgment of differences with no negative connotations is racist.

[Avante]

We won't be seeing a black swimmer win an Olympic gold medal in my life time, yep a racist statement but it's also a fact.

[DPG21920]

There is a distinction between racism and stereotyping and unless we are talking about something specific with a certain amount of facts involved, I'm not going to generalize right and wrong.

I'm confused. Obviously racism and stereotyping are different. The point is, do you agree that right is right and wrong is wrong or no? It's not a general thing, it's very specific. It's the old stealing a nickel from a millionaire vs stealing a miillion dollars from a bank question. Despite there being a difference in impact, is one less wrong?

[Avante]

I disagree. I don't think that acknowledgment of differences with no negative connotations is racist.

Well then you'd be wrong.

Anytime you do anything based on race alone that is racism.

There is a dating site out there for blacks only, yep, racism.

[ohmwrecker]

I'm confused. Obviously racism and stereotyping are different. The point is, do you agree that right is right and wrong is wrong or no? It's not a general thing, it's very specific. It's the old stealing a nickel from a millionaire vs stealing a miillion dollars from a bank question. Despite there being a difference in impact, is one less wrong?

You are talking about morality now. That's not really where I was going with this. I don't really understand your analogy either. Now, if you want to know if I see a moral distinction between a poor man stealing bread to feed his family and a investment broker robbing honest people of their savings? Yes. I do.

[DPG21920]

I think the point is how can there not be any sort of bias/oppression if we acknowledge there are differences? Doesn't that lead to a stereotype which could lead to someone getting something they might not deserve or winning the 50/50 based on that certain difference?

I'm more about intent than anything else. It's not about what you say (within reason), but what your intent is. If someone isn't completely ignorant, and not meaning any harm, I don't lable them a racist.

It's tricky though. It would be very dicey for a white commentator to say during an NBA broadcast "that black men are just better at basketball than white men because black men are better athletes". But we have all heard black broadcasters make fun of white players that can't dunk or that they are "surprised" he can jump like that. Why is that? To me, the intent is what is important. Shifting the convo some but these types of conversations always lead to many different topics because they are complex.

[Avante]

What is happening here is your.....all you racists in hiding.....isn't going to work. We are all racists, we all understand how things are.

You know my thing for track, I'm telling you it's totally ridiculous the differences we see there between black and white. We white guys can't run, it's a simple as that. That is a fact if there ever was one. Yep I'm a racist, but I;m only dealing with reality.

[DPG21920]

You are talking about morality now. That's not really where I was going with this. I don't really understand your analogy either. Now, if you want to know if I see a moral distinction between a poor man stealing bread to feed his family and a investment broker robbing honest people of their savings? Yes. I do.

It's more about racism and you reducing any possible racism that exist in the NFL towards whites to "it's just entertainment". That led me to ask you if you draw different lines in the sand for "different" levels of racism.

[DPG21920]

But the point of the OP and addressing that, this person seemed to deserve that. But things like the Sterling case become more difficult for me to digest.

[ohmwrecker]

It's more about racism and you reducing any possible racism that exist in the NFL towards whites to "it's just entertainment". That led me to ask you if you draw different lines in the sand for "different" levels of racism.

There are a lot of white players in the NFL. It doesn't appear that there is a great injustice being done.

[DPG21920]

There are a lot of white players in the NFL. It doesn't appear that there is a great injustice being done.

:lol I think you should look at the percentages. It's almost 70% black. That would be like me saying there's a lot of black CEO's. I agree that that impact is not nearly as severe - but that was kind of my entire point right being right and wrong being wrong.

[Avante]

There are a lot of white players in the NFL. It doesn't appear that there is a great injustice being done.


There are ...0...white cornerbacks.
There are...two/three...white running backs.
A dozen or so white receivers.

[DPG21920]

And no, I'm not saying the NFL is racist because of that (that was the initial joke). The reason it's 70% black is because those 70% are better football players that happen to be black.

[Aztecfan03]

We won't be seeing a black swimmer win an Olympic gold medal in my life time, yep a racist statement but it's also a fact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cullen_Jones

[ohmwrecker]

But the point of the OP and addressing that, this person seemed to deserve that. But things like the Sterling case become more difficult for me to digest.

I get what you're saying, but this kind of thing is usually messy and ugly. The important thing is that the truth comes out clean. That some kind of progress is made.

[DPG21920]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cullen_Jones

I met Cullen Jones (briefly). He was the guest speaker at an event I attended. He is very cool/funny. Ironically, part of his speach was making race related jokes ("For those of you that don't know me, I'm an Olympic Gold Medal Swimmer. I know - when I first got up here, none of you thought "swimmer"")

[DPG21920]

I get what you're saying, but this kind of thing is usually messy and ugly. The important thing is that the truth comes out clean. That some kind of progress is made.

I'm torn on that. I guess if it's for the greater good sure. But I'm a firm believer that progress isn't really progress if it comes at the expense of something else (i.e. racism being out at the sake of personal privacy being given up)

[Avante]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cullen_Jones

I was obviously talking about an individual gold not a relay.

[ohmwrecker]

And no, I'm not saying the NFL is racist because of that (that was the initial joke). The reason it's 70% black is because those 70% are better football players that happen to be black.

Right. That's why I don't see an injustice toward whites in the NFL. The whole idea is fairly preposterous.

[Aztecfan03]

I was obviously talking about an individual gold not a relay.

He also won an individual silver and you are so sure he or any other black people can'twin a gold.

[Avante]

I get what you're saying, but this kind of thing is usually messy and ugly. The important thing is that the truth comes out clean. That some kind of progress is made.

It's those like yourself that are the problem, you can't understand how it's ok to address the obvious differences, it doesn't have to be a negative at all. But it is racism.

[DPG21920]

Right. That's why I don't see an injustice toward whites in the NFL. The whole idea is fairly preposterous.

I don't think (me personally) that it's fair to just dismiss certain types of possible racism because they may be smaller forms or "less important/impactful". Racism is racism to me and is wrong in any form.

I also don't see why it's not proposterous when it comes to "white quarterbacks". Why can't the fact there are more white qb's just be because those players just happen to be better? Everything always gets drilled down. But there's a lot more to it. Even within sports. How do coaches in youth treat kids? What do they teach them? Do they set them up for long-term success?

[Avante]

He also won an individual silver and you are so sure he or any other black people can'twin a gold.

That's right, very confident. How many Olympics have we had and it hasn't happened yet.

[ohmwrecker]

I'm torn on that. I guess if it's for the greater good sure. But I'm a firm believer that progress isn't really progress if it comes at the expense of something else (i.e. racism being out at the sake of personal privacy being given up)

I think it's a slippery slope for sure. One that everyone should keep a close eye on. With Sterling, the NBA wanted him gone and got awfully dirty to accomplish that. I think it's important to not let those tactics become commonplace. Sterling was a very specifically horrible person though.

[Aztecfan03]

That's right, very confident. How many Olympics have we had and it hasn't happened yet.

And here is a black person who won gold. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Nesty

[Avante]

Im a Captain in the Army, we are held down on a beach by machine gun fire and our phone won't work, I need a message sent to a sergent about a half mile away, I'm looking for a black guy to run my message down the beach. Simply how it is.

[DPG21920]

Avante, stop :lol

[DPG21920]

Avante, it's racist to assume that just because someone is black they are fast. It's not racist to know that perhaps in general black men may be faster than white men, but to just assume that for every black/white person is silly. You should first ask: "who is the fastest person here".

[Aztecfan03]

Avante, stop :lol

I don't think he knows how to.

[Avante]

Avante, stop :lol

I just get tired of hicks/rednecks thinking you can't talk about our obvious differences without being cool about it.

[DPG21920]

It's not about talking about the differences. To me it's intent. To acknowledge something doesn't make you uncool, but to form all your opinions on it and start to develop biases does.

[Avante]

I don't think he knows how to.

What exactly is your problem, you always seeem so hostile about everything, why?

[ohmwrecker]

I don't think (me personally) that it's fair to just dismiss certain types of possible racism because they may be smaller forms or "less important/impactful". Racism is racism to me and is wrong in any form.

I also don't see why it's not proposterous when it comes to "white quarterbacks".

I just don't see it. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but if it does, I'm not aware of it.

I don't know that black quarterbacks have been developed the same as whites. I'm not saying it's due to racism. I just don't know. Could be the same with white running backs.

[DPG21920]

Agreed - the whole NFL shtick was just the most common thing I could think of to illustrate my main point of perhaps minor racism vs large racism and dismissing it if does exist.

[Avante]

It's not about talking about the differences. To me it's intent. To acknowledge something doesn't make you uncool, but to form all your opinions on it and start to develop biases does.

If you follow the NBA/NFL/Track you can't ignore what we are seeing out there. To say...the best athletes out there are Afro Americans...is simply true. And it's been that way for awhile now and that is a racist but true statement. It's also not a negative or some cut/slam to the white players.

[DPG21920]

But the racism on this site (Trill included) is stupid. Bunch of dummies and sad people.

[DPG21920]

If you follow the NBA/NFL/Track you can't ignore what we are seeing out there. To say...the best athletes out there are Afro Americans...is simply true. And it's been that way for awhile now and that is a racist but true statement. It's also not a negative or some cut/slam to the white players.

Regardless of the formal definition, I think people call it racism when it comes down to forming all your opinions or harming people because of something. I think what you are saying isn't racist in the true sense of how people understand it. Its racist when you just start sweeping everything into one bucket and/or denying people something they deserve because of the bias.

[Avante]

Regardless of the formal definition, I think people call it racism when it comes down to forming all your opinions or harming people because of something. I think what you are saying isn't racist in the true sense of how people understand it. Its racist when you just start sweeping everything into one bucket and/or denying people something they deserve because of the bias.

If any employer tried to only hire Asians because he was under the belief they were simply more intelligent, he'd get in trouble for being a racist. Anyone who has ever worked with Asians knows the quality of work they do and yes the intellect.

Our employer simply wants what he perceives to be the best workers and a strong case can be made that he's right but it won't work in todays world.

[DPG21920]

That employer being "under the belief" is being discriminatory. Because there are plenty of smart people that can do jobs. Sometimes it comes down to connections or personality or other factors, but to just target only one group because they or may not have something is wrong.

[Avante]

That employer being "under the belief" is being discriminatory. Because there are plenty of smart people that can do jobs. Sometimes it comes down to connections or personality or other factors, but to just target only one group because they or may not have something is wrong.

Our employer took over for his father after he retired, his father told him..."the Asains do the best work, hire Asains, they are also more reliable and take more pride in doing a good job".


The thing is we are different and there is no need to act like we aren't. College recruiters aren't heading off to Wyoming, Utah, Montana , they are going to Florida, Texas and Cali, that's where that black speed is at.

[Malik Hairston]

I disagree with the actions in the OP, tbh..

A huge number of White men are prominent racists online, for obvious reasons, but it doesn't bother me, at all..

Everybody is entitled to their opinion, regardless of their prejudices and biases..little-dick niggas like Mavs>Spurs are completely entitled to their racist views IMO..

There is too much fake outrage, nowadays..taking Donald Sterling's team away was ridiculous, and shaming racists is stupid, too..as a Black man, I'd rather see a racist express his opinion(he would do it online, obviously, scared to do it IRL:lol), rather than be a fake..

[Aztecfan03]

What exactly is your problem, you always seeem so hostile about everything, why?

I'm not being hostile about anything.

[ChumpDumper]

Didn't read the thread, but my guess is Avante said a bunch of racist things then got indignant about it when he was called a racist then posted more racist stuff.

[mojorizen7]

Didn't read the thread, but my guess is Avante said a bunch of racist things then got indignant about it when he was called a racist then posted more racist stuff.

You should read it. It was actually a pretty level-headed, intelligent discussion.

IMO...The reality of life is that different races and cultures are different...for better and for worse sometimes. I wish ppl could recognize and openly embrace those differences instead of everything being labeled "racist" or prejudiced. Racism. True racism is ugly.
Stereotypes. Bad word. Shouldn't be, but thats just me i guess. Black people and white people are different(in general). Thats the way it is. If ppl could learn to laugh at themselves, and each other instead of hating just to hate those cultural differences...this country could begin to make some progress.

Shit makes sense in my head. Hard to put it into words.

[ohmwrecker]

It's those like yourself that are the problem, you can't understand how it's ok to address the obvious differences, it doesn't have to be a negative at all. But it is racism.

I don't think you understand what I am saying here. I don't think it's wrong to recognize and rationally discuss differences in cultures. I just think it is not racism until a negative judgment is applied to those differences.

[Uriel]

Too bad all the chickenshit racists here get to post in anonymity.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/north/yellowknifer-pablo-saravanja-outs-man-for-racism-online-1.2866643
When I read the thread title, I was thinking the exact same thing.

[ohmwrecker]

When I read the thread title, I was thinking the exact same thing.

I'll admit I was originally trolling with this thread, but I'm glad a somewhat intelligent discussion came out of it.

[Uriel]

I disagree with the actions in the OP, tbh..

A huge number of White men are prominent racists online, for obvious reasons, but it doesn't bother me, at all..

Everybody is entitled to their opinion, regardless of their prejudices and biases..little-dick niggas like Mavs>Spurs are completely entitled to their racist views IMO..

There is too much fake outrage, nowadays..taking Donald Sterling's team away was ridiculous, and shaming racists is stupid, too..as a Black man, I'd rather see a racist express his opinion(he would do it online, obviously, scared to do it IRL:lol), rather than be a fake..
I strongly disagree. If people tolerate racism, then it will continue to fester and come to be viewed as socially acceptable. It's the same reason that Christian fundamentalism or Islamic extremism thrives in certain societies--because more moderate people don't speak out against it.

[mrsmaalox]

You should read it. It was actually a pretty level-headed, intelligent discussion.

IMO...The reality of life is that different races and cultures are different...for better and for worse sometimes. I wish ppl could recognize and openly embrace those differences instead of everything being labeled "racist" or prejudiced. Racism. True racism is ugly.
Stereotypes. Bad word. Shouldn't be, but thats just me i guess. Black people and white people are different(in general). Thats the way it is. If ppl could learn to laugh at themselves, and each other instead of hating just to hate those cultural differences...this country could begin to make some progress.

Shit makes sense in my head. Hard to put it into words.

But racism isn't about differences in culture---it's about the things we have in common but assign values to based on race/nationality.

You're right on about it making sense in my head ;)

[boutons_deux]

I've never been to the welfare office but I'm sure there are poor Asians who need assistance

most of the people on public assistance, EITC, etc in USA are white.

[Avante]

I don't think you understand what I am saying here. I don't think it's wrong to recognize and rationally discuss differences in cultures. I just think it is not racism until a negative judgment is applied to those differences.

Like I mentioned, anytime you single anyone out or a group based only on race that is racism. It doesn't need to be a negative or a slam.

The fastest sprinters on earth belong to the Negroid race. That is a racist statement but very true. Nothing negative about it at all.

A reporter asks a track coach..."why do you only recruit black sprinters?" When he replies..."they make the best sprinters"...that is a racist remark which would get him in trouble.

You make it known you prefer one race over another in anything and you will be in trouble, nobody cares if it's how things are or not.

[benefactor]

Man I'm glad Avante can't start threads anymore. He would have already started a whole new thread about racism and swimmers with a long list of sprinters in it.

[Avante]

Man I'm glad Avante can't start threads anymore. He would have already started a whole new thread about racism and swimmers with a long list of sprinters in it.

That sort of reasoning has always befuddled me, who cares who starts what thread? I bet I don't read 95% of the threads here. You act as if you must read every thread, which I find a bit comical. Why not just read those threads you find interesting, it works for me.

I do think it's wrong to go around playing critic while you yourself do nothing else besides that.

[Spurminator]

Racists already have an extreme "victim" mentality, stuff like this doesn't really help. Unless you know that they have some kind of influence where their racism can have any impact. Most of these guys are bottom rung nobodies whose racism comes from hating their own life so much.

[mrsmaalox]

That sort of reasoning has always befuddled me, who cares who starts what thread? I bet I don't read 95% of the threads here. You act as if you must read every thread, which I find a bit comical. Why not just read those threads you find interesting, it works for me.

I do think it's wrong to go around playing critic while you yourself do nothing else besides that.

:lol Come on Avante you know you care who starts what thread. Why else would your go to defense when people insult your threads be to search their thread history to link examples of their crappy threads?

[Avante]

:lol Come on Avante you know you care who starts what thread. Why else would your go to defense when people insult your threads be to search their thread history to link examples of their crappy threads?

How many times have you seen me enter someone elses thread only there to criticize them? I've done that a few times with Kool and that's it, I don't like to play that. And, I do carry my weight, I don't come here relying on everyone else to haul me around.

If someone is going to enter a thread of mine totally ignoring the topic and only there to play critic, only then do I draw attention to the fact their output really doesn't warrant them being in any position to be a critic. As we have all seen it's so easy to point towards those critics short comings when it comes to making threads.

Be cool with me and it will be cool, play the critic and so will I.

[Malik Hairston]

I strongly disagree. If people tolerate racism, then it will continue to fester and come to be viewed as socially acceptable. It's the same reason that Christian fundamentalism or Islamic extremism thrives in certain societies--because more moderate people don't speak out against it.

This isn't a matter of tolerating racism, though..I'll preface by saying I didn't read the link in the OP, so I could be understanding incorrectly, but it's regarding somebody being exposed over internet comments, where there was assumed anonymity?..

If so, that's not a matter of public racism, it's a matter of private racism, so I don't believe it would have any affect on social acceptance..whether it's fair or not, the internet gives you an anonymous voice to express your opinions, mostly opinions that people would never have the courage to say in real life, and that's fine IMO..controlling mainstream media and any potential influence on racism among young kids, etc is fine(although if their parents are racists, it probably won't matter, anyways), but that's not the issue here, we're discussing personal beliefs that are being expressed in a private setting..

I don't believe that we should be searching for private racists and exposing them IRL, it sets a bad precedence, and it only worsens race relations IMO..

For example, Donald Sterling should have received backlash for being a slum lord that exposed race to his advantage, but taking his team away for private comments he made was ridiculous..you can't force people to change their beliefs..

[Avante]

I've been with black/Asian/white/Hispanic women. I'm telling you how things really are and anyone who has been in my situation will agree, I guarantee it.

Hispanic women are the best lovers, talk about wet and hot, there it is. The passion is on another level.

We are different and anyone having some need to play pretend has the problem.