rank spurs players in terms of value to the team..

[apalisoc_9]

How would the spurs play if a player is injured or benched or not 100%...

Rank them in terms of how the team plays without them...

1. Kawhi - Tim
2. Tim - kawhi
3. Tiago
4. Danny
5. Boris
6. Manu
7. Patty
8. Tony
9. Matty for spacing purposes.
10. Big Banger
11. Joseph ( would be number 7 if patty is out)

the rest doesn't matter.

[Perry Mason]

How would the spurs play if a player is injured or benched or not 100%...

Rank them in terms of how the team plays without them...

1. Kawhi - Tim
2. Tim - kawhi
3. Tiago
4. Danny
5. Boris
6. Manu
7. Patty
8. Tony
9. Matty for spacing purposes.
10. Big Banger
11. Joseph ( would be number 7 if patty is out)

the rest doesn't matter.

Are you unemployed, or committed to a mental institution?

[apalisoc_9]

What's wrong with my list?

I'm just here for basketball discussion. It's a spurs forum, and I love the spurs and love talking about the spurs.

[spurraider21]

Duncan
Manu
Splitter
Parker
Green
Diaw
Kawhi
Mills

[Malik Hairston]

1. Leonard
2. Duncan
3. Green
4. Diaw
5. Ginobili
6. Splitter
7. Mills
8. Enrique

Realistically, though, it's extremely difficult to answer for the Spurs, as the entire build of the team is essentially to allow versatility and the ability to matchup against any style of play..

Some games, like in last year's playoffs vs. the Mavs, the Spurs need Manu to carry the offense, for example..in other series, Green will be more important than Manu if they need defense/if Manu is struggling..

Same with Diaw vs. Splitter, of course..

[Robz4000]

Tim
Kawhi
Green
Splitter
Diaw/Manu
Manu/Diaw
Parker
Mills

The rest are equal and for the most part irrelevant...

[SpursFan86]

1) Ayres
2) Duncan
3) Daye
4) Kyle "Magic" Anderson
5) Green
6) Kawhi
7) Manu
8) Splitter
9) Boris
10) Patty
11) CoJo
12) Belinelli
13) Baynes
14) Bonner

Can't remember the 15th guy on the team at the moment so I'm going to take that as a sign that he's the least important.

[ElNono]

Tim
Kawhi
Manu
Green
Splitter
Boris
Tony
Patty

I'm also on board that's largely dependent on matchups though... some players are more important than others given specific opponents...

[apalisoc_9]

^ I agree to some extent, but players like Leonard and Green for example are both essential in all sorts of matchup. I took into account possible matchups in the playoffs with my list.

[timtonymanu]

Leonard
Duncan
Manu/Green
Diaw/Splitter
Mills
Parker

Baynes

[ElNono]

^ I agree to some extent, but players like Leonard and Green for example are both essential in all sorts of matchup. I took into account possible matchups in the playoffs with my list.

sure, sure... I suspect the top 5-6 on every list include must-have players... just saying the order can change based on the opponent...

[Hoops Czar]

:lmao"The Spurs can't repeat as champions without a healthy Tiago Splitter." -
:lmao" Anybody can beat the Spurs in the playoffs without a healthy Tiago Splitter."

However, he's the fourth, fifth or sixth most important player on the Spurs, behind Diaw and Manu. :lmao. This isn't 2005-12. Manu's current value is magnified by Patty's injury and that's where it ends. Let's not place a sentimental value on each player.

Spurstalk shitting on TP , per par. Some Schtiks never get old.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

1. Duncan
2. Parker
3. Manu
4./5. Kawhi/Danny
6. Everyone else

[apalisoc_9]

1. Duncan
2. Parker
3. Manu
4./5. Kawhi/Danny
6. Everyone else

:lmao

We 2011 again?

[EVAY]

1. Duncan
2. Parker
3. Manu
4./5. Kawhi/Danny
6. Everyone else

[Malik Hairston]

:lmao"The Spurs can't repeat as champions without a healthy Tiago Splitter." -
:lmao" Anybody can beat the Spurs in the playoffs without a healthy Tiago Splitter."

However, he's the fourth, fifth or sixth most important player on the Spurs, behind Diaw and Manu. :lmao. This isn't 2005-12. Manu's current value is magnified by Patty's injury and that's where it ends. Let's not place a sentimental value to each player.

Spurstalk shitting on TP , per par. Some Schtiks never get old.

:lmao Iman Shumpert is the next Paul George :lmao

[Aztecfan03]

:lmao

We 2011 again?

At least his list was true at some point in time. Your list has never been and will never be close to true.

[Robz4000]

:lmao Iman Shumpert is the next Paul George :lmao

:lol did he actually say that?

[timtonymanu]

:lol did he actually say that?

See Green/Diaw for Shumpert thread. :lol

[peacemaker885]

1. Duncan
2. Parker
3. Manu
4./5. Kawhi/Danny
6. Everyone else


This, I don't get the Parker hate.

[spurraider21]

See Green/Diaw for Shumpert thread. :lol
that was no lyfe cat, not hoopczar

[timtonymanu]

It's not Parker hate. :lol. Truthfully, Parker hasn't been that good the last two seasons due to fatigue, breaking down. He's getting old. It happens.

[ElNono]

:lmao Iman Shumpert is the next Paul George :lmao

:lmao Geroge Hill and Dejuan Blair for Kevin Love :lmao

:lmao Splitter is not at Bargnani's level :lmao

[apalisoc_9]

My list is almost identical to most Spurstalk basketball minds like Elnono and harlem..

How is my list any worse...

:lol

[timtonymanu]

Yes, Green and Diaw are both right for the System. I'm not sure either would be nearly as successful outside the system. In regards to Shumpert, I see him as a potential cross between Avery Bradley and Paul George. Sure, he's a project now, but his ceiling and youth makes him a valuable commodity for the future. I'm not sure if I would let Diaw and/or Green be a potential stumbling block in this hypothetical scenario.

Fans do have a tendency to overrate their players. Every fan base does it. I live in Buffalo so I get the Knick games here too. The only thing I question about his game that makes me the slightest bit hesitant, is his attitude. If he does develop into the player many are projecting, he might flea the Smaller market for a larger one.


that was no lyfe cat, not hoopczar

[apalisoc_9]

^

:lol

[ElNono]

The Spurs are a different team from the norm though... this is a team that relies on depth... that's why I said earlier you can't survive if your top 5-6 players are not healthy and in their games...

It's different for other teams, tbh, where their top 2-3 players are the ones that can make or break their seasons...

[Henrik Sedin]

I seriously wonder why OP is so insecure about Kawhi. This is like the 10th thread on him

1- Duncan
2- Manu
3- Kawhi
4- TP

[spurraider21]

:lol... i dont remember who posted in that green/diaw - chumpert thread. just remember cat started it.

good call though, timtonymanu

[Lerojo]

Timmy
Kawhi
TP
Manu
Green
Tiago
Patty
Boris
Belli
Baynes
Cojo
Bonner
Anderson
Daye
Ayres

[Daniel Sedin]

I seriously wonder why OP is so insecure about Kawhi. This is like the 10th thread on him

1- Duncan
2- Manu
3- Kawhi
4- TP

My brother with the truth bombs. D anchor and the MVP off the bench are more important. Have you seen the bench run without Manu?

[Hoops Czar]

:lmao Iman Shumpert is the next Paul George :lmao

:lmaoTrying to deflect after your offseason Lebron takes.
:lmaoAbandoning your original account because your true identity was revealed all over the internet.
:lmao"You probably won't find the footage of Hairston's 3 consecutive plays of shutting down Lebron, since word is that Nike stole the footage.":lmao
:lmao Parker can't lead the Spurs to a championship except he was a Ray Allen three away from doing just that.
:lmao Expecting Paul George to be Paul George again.

[Daniel Sedin]

:lmaoTrying to deflect after your offseason Lebron takes.
:lmaoAbandoning your account because your true identity was revealed all over the internet.
:lmao"You probably won't find the footage of Hairston's 3 consecutive plays of shutting down Lebron, since word is that Nike stole the footage.":lmao
:lmao Parker can't lead the Spurs to a championship except he was a Ray Allen three away from doing just that.
:lmao Expecting Paul George to be Paul George again.

Hoops with the surprising truth bombs

[spurraider21]

no lyfe scrub literally needs 2 alts + teaming up with hoopszar to make himself feel liked here... sad

[Daniel Sedin]

no lyfe scrub literally needs 2 alts + teaming up with hoopszar to make himself feel liked here... sad


spurraider needs 26000 posts on a message board to feel relevant in life.

Henrik and I are not the same person, for the millionth time, much less anyone else up here

[Daniel Sedin]

When will SR go outside? Like finding out how many licks it takes to get to the center if a Tootsie pop, the world may never know.

[Henrik Sedin]

spurraider needs 26000 posts on a message board to feel relevant in life.

Henrik and I are not the same person, for the millionth time, much less anyone else up here
27* :lol

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Duncan
Kawhi
Danny
DiawTiago
Manu
Patty
Bonner
Parker
Belinelli

[superbigtime]

1. Tim
2. Tony
3. Manu/Kawhi
4. Kawhi/Manu
5, 6, 7. Diaw/Splitter/Green
8. Mills
9. Cojo/Belinelli
10. Belinelli/Cojo
11. Baynes/Bonner
12. Bonner/Baynes
13. Ayres
14. Anderson
15. Daye

[Blizzardwizard]

Definitely Kawhi at the bottom of the list. May as well offload his talentless ass for another shooter, maybe Jimmer Fredette or somebody like that.

[Dre_7]

1. Duncan
2. Kawhi
3. Parker
4. Manu/Green
5. Splitter/Diaw
6. Everyone else

[Dre_7]

Or maybe a Kawhi and Parker tied at number 2.

[2centsworth]

1. Tim
2. Kawhi
3. Tony
4. Green
5. Boris
6. Manu
7. Patty
8. Splitter
9. Cojo
10. Belli
11. Boner
12. Baines

[Sean Cagney]

Leonard
Duncan
Manu/Green
Diaw/Splitter
Mills
Parker

Baynes

A few of you guys really have Patty Mills above Tony Parker? I don't see it although he is valuable to the bench and had a good run late last year. Parker is an all star though and was just an MVP candidate a few years back, kind of hard to put Patty above him as far as the team goes. I agree on the rest though, just wondered why you think Patty is more important to the impact of the team than Tony is?

[timtonymanu]

A few of you guys really have Patty Mills above Tony Parker? I don't see it although he is valuable to the bench and had a good run late last year. Parker is an all star though and was just an MVP candidate a few years back, kind of hard to put Patty above him as far as the team goes. I agree on the rest though, just wondered why you think Patty is more important to the impact of the team than Tony is?

I thought Parker personally looked bad in last year's run and the ball movement was better with him on the bench. Sure, he's individually better than Patty but to the Spurs, Patty's style of play fits better, imo. I dont hate Parker, but its true. I hope Parker can at least have stretches that are closer to MVParker than Enrique. It would help the Spurs.

[Hoops Czar]

A few of you guys really have Patty Mills above Tony Parker? I don't see it although he is valuable to the bench and had a good run late last year. Parker is an all star though and was just an MVP candidate a few years back, kind of hard to put Patty above him as far as the team goes. I agree on the rest though, just wondered why you think Patty is more important to the impact of the team than Tony is?

Many Spurs fans see parker as a full fledged back up pg at this stage of his career. Those same Spurs fans completely neglect the fact that Mills couldn't even crack the rotation two years ago. It's called "what have you done for me lately" syndrome. It's incurable without a brain transplant.

[PÒÓCH]

Silly goose... they're all valuable with the except of Ayres.

[Brunodf]

Come on people, TP is top 6 at least( he was top 5 last season)

[TheGreatYacht]

It's not Parker hate. :lol. Truthfully, Parker hasn't been that good the last two seasons due to fatigue, breaking down. He's getting old. It happens.
Tf are you talking about? :lol Manu is shooting 40% this year and when he has a shit game, trust me, you'll fucking notice. Whether it's 8 turnovers or 3/17 shooting. At least when Parker ain't feeling it he starts being passive instead of trying too hard

[TheGreatYacht]

Duncan
Kawhi
Tony
Splitter
Green
Diaw
Mills
Manu
Belinelli
Baynes
Joseph
Bonner
KA
Daye
Ayres

[Silver&Black]

no lyfe scrub literally needs 2 alts + teaming up with hoopszar to make himself feel liked here... sad

Did he really log onto another account to tell himself that he is dropping truth nukes?

[KL2]

Agreed with OP's list.

The ball movement is so much better without Tony. Mills has the potential to jump up though, he is a scoring machine and his energy is contagious, could easily be 6th man of the year. I don't believe he's peaked yet either, 26 years old, not much NBA experience actually playing aside of last year. This skinny version of him is new, and he's still learning how to play with his new body/skills, he should definitely get better.

[superbigtime]

People just don't understand how good Tony is. It's unreal. He plays so damn hard and can score all kinds of ways, so damn versatile. Mills has come a long way but Tony would be missed more if he had been out all this time

[elemento]

Duncan
Leonard
Tony
Manu
Green
Diaw
Splitter
Mills
Belineli

[Daniel Sedin]

Did he really log onto another account to tell himself that he is dropping truth nukes?
no

[itsamanuthree]

1.Duncan
2.Kawhi
3.Manu
4.Splitter
5.Diaw
6.Green
7.Parker

[testies]

1-Manu
2-Splitter
3-Diaw
4-Green
5-Kawhi
6-Mills
7-Duncan
8-Parker

[Brazil]

1. Duncan
2. Kawhi
3. Parker
4. Manu/Green
5. Splitter/Diaw
6. Everyone else

pretty much this

[itsamanuthree]

It's not Parker hate. :lol. Truthfully, Parker hasn't been that good the last two seasons due to fatigue, breaking down. He's getting old. It happens.


Tf are you talking about? :lol Manu is shooting 40% this year and when he has a shit game, trust me, you'll fucking notice. Whether it's 8 turnovers or 3/17 shooting. At least when Parker ain't feeling it he starts being passive instead of trying too hard

:lmao replying to a Parker-Manu comparison that didn't exist in the first place.


But, but... :madrun Manu :madrun turnovers :madrun

[TheGreatYacht]

:lmao replying to a Parker-Manu comparison that didn't exist in the first place.


But, but... :madrun Manu :madrun turnovers :madrun
Yes, he had 8 in G6. Anyone that's not from Argentina knows he's not HOF worthy. Tbh

[itsamanuthree]

Comment was about Parker, but I had to try and shift the discussion to Manu or at least make it a Manu vs Parker discussion :madrun

[TheGreatYacht]

TGY, how dare you question if Manu is HOF worthy... He averages 14PPG for his career :madrun Don't forget the 2:1 Turnover ratio

[Aztecfan03]

:lmao replying to a Parker-Manu comparison that didn't exist in the first place.


But, but... :madrun Manu :madrun turnovers :madrun

Except you and other idiots put Manu ahead of Parker.

[itsamanuthree]

I feel so bad when I see my boyfriend Parker criticized :cry I like when he kisses me and touches me down there. So, I'll just troll all these threads were Parker is criticized, trying to make it look like a Parker vs Manu fans war.

[itsamanuthree]

Except you and other idiots put Manu ahead of Parker.

Yes we did, please respect other people's points of view, not calling them idiots. Didn't they taught you that in School? Oh, wait, did you even went to School?

[TheGreatYacht]

Yes we did, please respect other people's points of view, not calling them idiots. Didn't they taught you that in School? Oh, wait, did you even went to School?
It's almost like you're trying to look retarded

[itsamanuthree]

It's almost like you're trying to look retarded

Because? If it's some spelling mistake or something, it's not retardation, fortunately, since I didn't learn English in school, I learnt by myself, reading books and stuff.

[itzsoweezee]

Tim
Kawhi
Manu
Boris
TP
Green
Tiago

[TheGreatYacht]

Because? If it's some spelling mistake or something, it's not retardation, fortunately, since I didn't learn English in school, I learnt by myself, reading books and stuff.
No, you're just straight up stupid.

[itsamanuthree]

My lame attempt to shift the discucssion to Manu didn't work and I was exposed :madrun I have only one more trick under my sleeve, name calling, I hope it works.

[Silver&Black]

no

Yes

[TheGreatYacht]

No one ever cares what I have to say :( Maybe if I come at TGY, my mentions won't be dry. Damn this helmet I wear to school is tight on me right now

[Aztecfan03]

Yes we did, please respect other people's points of view, not calling them idiots. Didn't they taught you that in School? Oh, wait, did you even went to School?

SOme opinions are so off they are idiotic. Manu> Tony right now is one of them and another one is kobe>MJ

[itsamanuthree]

SOme opinions are so off they are idiotic. Manu> Tony right now is one of them and another one is kobe>MJ

Aha, so, those who have points of view considerably different from yours are idiots.... oooookey...

[itsamanuthree]

Wait, wait, I think I may have another trick under my sleeve...... hmm, nope, not really, it's just name calling.

[rasuo214]

Tim
Kawhi
TP
Manu
Splitter/Green/Diaw (depends on matchup)
Patty
Belli
the rest

[timtonymanu]

SOme opinions are so off they are idiotic. Manu> Tony right now is one of them and another one is kobe>MJ

Please do explain this further. And don't tell me stuff like TP is still the #1 guy or some generic answer.

[Malik Hairston]

:lmao anybody that doesn't have Kawhi at 1 and anybody that has Parker in their top 5..

[apalisoc_9]

:lmao anybody that doesn't have Kawhi at 1 and anybody that has Parker in their top 5..

:lol

[KL2]

http://thrivesports.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Kawhi-Leonard.jpg

[Sean Cagney]

Many Spurs fans see parker as a full fledged back up pg at this stage of his career. Those same Spurs fans completely neglect the fact that Mills couldn't even crack the rotation two years ago. It's called "what have you done for me lately" syndrome. It's incurable without a brain transplant.

I agree, love Patty and he had a good run last year in the playoffs no doubt off the bench but he overall is NOT more important for the team than Parker is. I disagree with who says he is, but it is what it is.

[Hoops Czar]

:lmao at anybody who thinks the Spurs needed Kiwi to beat the dreadful Lakers.

Duncan
Green/Kiwi
TP

Crossing off Ayres, Daye and Bonner, you can throw the other names in a hat and pick blindly. The order doesn't matter

[Malik Hairston]

:lmao anybody that doesn't have Kawhi at 1 and anybody that has Parker in their top 5..

[apalisoc_9]

Anyone that has Parker over kawhi

:lmao

[Malik Hairston]

Anyone that has Parker over kawhi

:lmao

:lol I bet Kawhi begged Pop to let him play once he heard Enrique was sitting out, tbh..

"Damn, I get to touch the ball tonight?!"

[KL2]

Glad to have our MVP back.

[rasuo214]

If we look at it in a statistical perspective Spurs by WAR so far this season:
1. Duncan (3.75) 9th in NBA
2. Kawhi (3.29) 13th in NBA
3. Danny (2.52) 27th in NBA
4. Manu (1.42) 58th in NBA
5. CoJo (0.82) 108th in NBA
6. Diaw (0.66) 131st in NBA
7. Bonner (0.64) 137th in NBA
8. Baynes (0.50) 161st in NBA
9. Beli (0.15) 227th in NBA
10. Tiago (0.04) 283rd in NBA
11. Ayres (-0.01) 355th in NBA
12. Anderson (-0.01) 359th in NBA
13. Daye (-0.15) 396th in NBA
14. Parker (-0.21) 403rd in NBA

Obviously playing time impacts this (so Tiago being so low isn't a surprise) but Parker as being the worst on the Spurs and among the worst in the NBA (out of 430 players), that was surprising.

Spurs by PER:
1. Tiago (24.7)
2. Timmy (22.6)
3. Kawhi (19.4)
4. Parker (17.0)
5. Manu (16.9)
6. CoJo (16.8)
7. Baynes (16.7)
8. Danny (16.1)
9. Beli (15.1)
10. Bonner (13.3)
11. Diaw (12.9)
12. Ayres (11.3)
13. Anderson (6.1)
14. Daye (3.1)

15 PER = League Average

[100%duncan]

1)a. Duncan
1)b. Kawhi
2)a. Manu
2)b. Tiago
3.Green
4.Diaw
5)a.Parker
5)b. Mills
6. Bonner
7. Beli
8. Baynes

Scrubs

[vander]

5. Duncan
5. TP
5. Manu
5. Kawhi
5. Green
8. Splitter
8. Diaw
8. Patty
9. Bonner
10. Belli

[apalisoc_9]

If we look at it in a statistical perspective Spurs by WAR so far this season:
1. Duncan (3.75) 9th in NBA
2. Kawhi (3.29) 13th in NBA
3. Danny (2.52) 27th in NBA
4. Manu (1.42) 58th in NBA
5. CoJo (0.82) 108th in NBA
6. Diaw (0.66) 131st in NBA
7. Bonner (0.64) 137th in NBA
8. Baynes (0.50) 161st in NBA
9. Beli (0.15) 227th in NBA
10. Tiago (0.04) 283rd in NBA
11. Ayres (-0.01) 355th in NBA
12. Anderson (-0.01) 359th in NBA
13. Daye (-0.15) 396th in NBA
14. Parker (-0.21) 403rd in NBA

Obviously playing time impacts this (so Tiago being so low isn't a surprise) but Parker as being the worst on the Spurs and among the worst in the NBA (out of 430 players), that was surprising.

Spurs by PER:
1. Tiago (24.7)
2. Timmy (22.6)
3. Kawhi (19.4)
4. Parker (17.0)
5. Manu (16.9)
6. CoJo (16.8)
7. Baynes (16.7)
8. Danny (16.1)
9. Beli (15.1)
10. Bonner (13.3)
11. Diaw (12.9)
12. Ayres (11.3)
13. Anderson (6.1)
14. Daye (3.1)

15 PER = League Average

Parker :lmao

[apalisoc_9]

Hmmm

[timtonymanu]

Hmmm

We clearly lost this game cause MVParker was out.

[apalisoc_9]

:lmao anybody that doesn't have Kawhi at 1 and anybody that has Parker in their top 5..

:lmao
:lmao

[Malik Hairston]

Save us Kawhi, save us:(..

[timtonymanu]

:lol posters that say the Big 3 are still the most important players
:lol same posters that put Enrique in the top 5

[apalisoc_9]

:lol posters that say the Big 3 are still the most important players
:lol same posters that put Enrique in the top 5

:lmao

[rasuo214]

:lol posters that say the Big 3 are still the most important players
:lol same posters that put Enrique in the top 5

Other than Kawhi who would you consider more important than TD and Manu? I also think a healthy Parker is important to the team playing well. It's not like they have done well without him.

[timtonymanu]

Other than Kawhi who would you consider more important than TD and Manu? I also think a healthy Parker is important to the team playing well. It's not like they have done well without him.

I'm talking about posters that put all the Big 3 over Kawhi. Just look through this thread and you'll find some of those lists. :lol

[Hoops Czar]

Other than Kawhi who would you consider more important than TD and Manu? I also think a healthy Parker is important to the team playing well. It's not like they have done well without him.

Let him be. He obviously doesn't have a shitting clue.

[Malik Hairston]

No offense to any old-school fans, but you would have to be a fucking imbecile to think Leonard isn't the most important/valuable player on the Spurs' roster, tbh:lol..

[apalisoc_9]

Hoops..

:lmao

[apalisoc_9]

Mainstream Big 3 fans

:lmao

[Malik Hairston]

:lmao anybody that ever questioned apalisoc, tbh..

So many haters that don't have even 10% of his basketball knowledge..

[NASpurs]

Fucking nuke bombs

[hater]

Yes, he had 8 in G6. Anyone that's not from Argentina knows he's not HOF worthy. Tbh

:lol

[timtonymanu]

apalisoc :worthy:

[ElNono]

:lmao anybody that ever questioned apalisoc, tbh..

So many haters that don't have even 10% of his basketball knowledge..

:lol

[apalisoc_9]

Mainstream Big 3 fans...

:lol

[marinoman]

Tim is the only one that is still in the new big 3 imo

[FkLA]

apalisoc :worthy:

[pgardn]

1. Tim

[pgardn]

1. Timmy

[pgardn]

1. Duncan

[pgardn]

1. Tim Duncan

[timtonymanu]

Tonight was another game where if Leonard isn't at his best, the Spurs struggle to win.

[Nathan89]

Tonight was another game where if Leonard isn't at his best, the Spurs struggle to win.:lmao

[apalisoc_9]

Tonight was another game where if Leonard isn't at his best, the Spurs struggle to win.

[ElNono]

Tonight was another game where if Leonard isn't at his best, the Spurs struggle to win.

Yup, games where both Kawhi and Manu struggle are normally a L... even if we're playing shorthanded teams... but this isn't news, tbh...

[TheGreatYacht]

No matter who you are. If you're 1-11, and can't hold your own against Matt Barnes.. That's an automatic L

[apalisoc_9]

Duncan
Manu
Splitter
Parker
Green
Diaw
Kawhi
Mills


:lmao"The Spurs can't repeat as champions without a healthy Tiago Splitter." -
:lmao" Anybody can beat the Spurs in the playoffs without a healthy Tiago Splitter."

However, he's the fourth, fifth or sixth most important player on the Spurs, behind Diaw and Manu. :lmao. This isn't 2005-12. Manu's current value is magnified by Patty's injury and that's where it ends. Let's not place a sentimental value on each player.

Spurstalk shitting on TP , per par. Some Schtiks never get old.


1. Duncan
2. Parker
3. Manu
4./5. Kawhi/Danny
6. Everyone else


I seriously wonder why OP is so insecure about Kawhi. This is like the 10th thread on him

1- Duncan
2- Manu
3- Kawhi
4- TP


:lmao at anybody who thinks the Spurs needed Kiwi to beat the dreadful Lakers.

Duncan
Green/Kiwi
TP

Crossing off Ayres, Daye and Bonner, you can throw the other names in a hat and pick blindly. The order doesn't matter




But but 99% of us already say he is the best player...

:lmao

Mainstream big 3 fans with their lies and revisionist history.

Only a handfull knew the real deal..

[ChumpDumper]

Why are you so insecure about Kawhi?

[spurraider21]

But but 99% of us already say he is the best player...

:lmao

Mainstream big 3 fans with their lies and revisionist history.

Only a handfull knew the real deal..
:lmao getting trolled by my comment where i had Green ahead of Kawhi

[dabom]

He just calling out shitty posters per par. Tbh.

[dabom]

spurraider is the biggest faggot on ST.

[apalisoc_9]

floyd paxquiao, Malik, Wildxhild, KL2, lefty, FKLA, loveforthegame, robdiaz, dabom and I'm probably forgeting a name or two..but these are the only posters that said Kawhi is the best player in the team..

everyone else with their mainstream take, IMO.

[Brazil]

But but 99% of us already say he is the best player...

:lmao

Mainstream big 3 fans with their lies and revisionist history.

Only a handfull knew the real deal..

:lmao

raider21 was trolling, his list is not serious duh...

the others are hoops, cat meow, BG .... so yeah most of ST fans know for a while Kawhi's value, most have him first or second in their list

:cry but but I'm the only one who was right :cry

[dabom]

Thumbs up.

[Brazil]

floyd paxquiao, Malik, Wildxhild, KL2, lefty, FKLA, loveforthegame, robdiaz, dabom and I'm probably forgeting a name or two..but these are the only posters that said Kawhi is the best player in the team..

everyone else with their mainstream take, IMO.

and you are a faggot :lmao

your thread title was about value not best

in terms of value for the team there is nothing wrong putting Tim first...

[dabom]

We can bump more threads and blast more posters if you want?

[apalisoc_9]

anyone who says he is 2nd is a big big 3 mainstream fans, IMO..

way to nostalgic to say the words "kawhi is the best player"..

guess it's hard for them to accept a player being the best player if he's not part of the big 3...

Sad how player fans can ruin a player's overall reputation in the legaue.

[Silver&Black]

:lmao Just because somebody doesn't have Kawhi #1 on their list = They must hate Kawhi

:lol Player fan logic

[apalisoc_9]

Not saying they hate Kawhi..

Just not a good basketball mind, IMO...

Way too much of a player fan to see the game the way it is, IMO.

Btw, Manu has always been my favorite spur..As evidence with my previous posts

[$pursDynasty]

1) MVParker, head of the snake, offensive scorer and motor behind the offense
2) Kiwi, top scorer, top defender, Spurs main source of youth and athleticism
3) Timmay, the rock of team and defensive big
4) Verde, can go nova from 3 and the teams 2nd best wing defender
5) Bobo, versatility matchup nightmare and 2nd units best facilitator
6) Splitter cannot overstate how his presence improves our team D; is perfecting his finesse around the hoop game
7) Manu usually the 2nd unit is a disaster when he is out, and enforcer (ask Monte and Westbrook)
8) Peppermint Patty can go Nova when he is on, and defensive irritant
9) Banger athletic 4th big
10) CoJo can facilitate play defense and improving his penetration and slashing on offense
11) Ferrarri, outside shot maker but if Patty and Verde are on fire isn't as important
12) Red Mamba see previous comments
13) Errors 5th big that goes up strong offensively (when he holds on to the ball) which is more than I can say for Tiago
14) Reggie it appears Pop values him over...
15) Slo-Mo who is MIA

[Silver&Black]

And Timmy is my favorite Spur of all time....and has a legitimate right to be ranked #1 in the "value to the team" list.

My favorite this year has been Kawhi. He's our most consistent player on offense and defense. Just don't see the need to get all butthurt when somebody says that Timmy or Manu is more valuable to the team than Kawhi.

And don't call me a player fan. I'm a Spurs fan through and through. I could care less if Matt Bonner or Jeff Ayres was our leading scorer. If by some miracle those two became great players overnight and they led us to a championship (:lmao Errors winning FMVP) I would be totally fine with that scenario.

[dabom]

Parker over kawhi. What a fucking joke.

[ChumpDumper]

Not saying they hate Kawhi..

Just not a good basketball mind, IMO...

Way too much of a player fan to see the game the way it is, IMO.

Btw, Manu has always been my favorite spur..As evidence with my previous postsJust try shutting up for a change.

[apalisoc_9]

Say timmy is a better player at this point is as good as saying wade was the better player than lebron during the heat 2013 run because he's always been there...:cry

[dabom]

I wonder about chumps list. Make my day.

[Silver&Black]

Say timmy is a better player at this point is as good as saying wade was the better player than lebron during the heat 2013 run because he's always been there...:cry

Did you read the OP? Of course you did....you wrote it. This is not a better player argument. This is a "more valuable" thread.

And I hate to say this....but I totally agree with you. Kawhi Leonard (to me and you) is the most valuable to this team. Again, only you and dabom get all upset and throw a tantrum like a little girl when somebody disagrees with your opinion.

It's borderline emo shit tbh....

[Silver&Black]

And you still haven't answered my question. Who are all these Kawhi haters?

Saying that Tim (and apa...check your OP. Even you have Timmy-Kawhi as 1a and 1b) is more valuable to the team does not constitute hate.

Saying something about Kawhi's dead dad is hate. And I want to know the posters who say shit like that.....

[Beaverfuzz]

1. Pendergraph
2. Ayers
3. Everyone else tied.

[FkLA]

Tier One
Kawhi
Timmy

Tier Two
Green
Manu
Splitter
Boris

Tier Three
Enrique
Paddy
CoJo
Baynes

[cantthinkofanything]

Tier One
Kawhi
Timmy

Tier Two
Green
Manu
Splitter
Boris

Tier Three
Enrique
Paddy
CoJo
Baynes

Probably exactly correct. Although I think a case could currently be made for Manu to drop a space or two with Tier Two. Splitter's recent play has been the biggest difference maker imo.

[apalisoc_9]

Tier One
Kawhi
Timmy

Tier Two
Green
Manu
Splitter
Boris

Tier Three
Enrique
Paddy
CoJo
Baynes

agree 100%

[K...]

When this thread started, December, Duncan was the mvp. Since kawhi came back he's been number one. So....


Kudos to apo for predicting kawhi would be number one when the team got healthy.

Hiss for not seeing Tony Parker getting back in shape.


The new list:

Kawhi, splitter, Duncan, Parker, green, gino, bobo, Marco, millzz.

[K...]

So this is really an Ioss for apo, two wrong takes, one right one. Par for this supposedly brilliant basketball mind.

[Brazil]

Except thread is about value not who is the best player in 2014

"

rank spurs players in terms of value to the team.. (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242134&page=5&p=7903365)"

[apalisoc_9]

Brazil vagina is bleeding right now, for some reason.

Leonard is the best player thus he's the most valuable. Heck Bobo and SPlitter would probably finish games against GSW. :lol

[FkLA]

Probably exactly correct. Although I think a case could currently be made for Manu to drop a space or two with Tier Two. Splitter's recent play has been the biggest difference maker imo.

Yeah I can see an argument for him being last in Tier Two. Manu made the second unit go earlier in the season but since Diaw got off cruise control Manu has relinquished some of those responsibilities tbh.

[$pursDynasty]

Not wanting to join in personal attacks but while Kiwi leads the Spurs in scoring and is by far our best defensive player, I can imagine games where Kiwi can go off and the Spurs still lose the game. However for me when Tony is on, he not only scores but he is facilitating for the entire team. I find it harder to see a game where Tony is hitting his shot penetrating and passing out and isn't a total liability on defense where the Spurs lose, unless the team is just giving it up on defense. If Kiwi went nova shutting down the opposing teams best player scores say 30+ points the Spurs could still lose. If Tony goes nova he not only scores 25+ but by virtue of his position has 15+ assists that Spurs team just seems harder to beat. Not that I think TP is a better player but PG is a more important position to a teams success.

[Brazil]

Brazil vagina is bleeding right now, for some reason.

Leonard is the best player thus he's the most valuable. Heck Bobo and SPlitter would probably finish games against GSW. :lol

:lol not knowing difference between valuable and best

if you wanted to talk about being the best why use value unless you don't know the meaning of these two words.... I'm probably asking too much to a Canadian faggot

[K...]

I think kawhi is most valuable and best. The offensive mvp for the spurs is the system. Parker is the best at running it, but we have other ball handlers who can run the plays.

No one replaces kawhi on defense. If Duncan were just a bit healthier I'd give him the nod as mvp but I could honestly see us win a championship with Duncan out, while I can't say the same for kawhi.

[K...]

That should probably be the best test. If player x is missing, would the team suffer? We saw the spurs without kawhi. It was an eight seed team.

[Brazil]

I also said numerous time he was the best player of the team this season...

but best player does not equal value (only in Canada apparently) :lol

[rasuo214]

Not wanting to join in personal attacks but while Kiwi leads the Spurs in scoring and is by far our best defensive player, I can imagine games where Kiwi can go off and the Spurs still lose the game. However for me when Tony is on, he not only scores but he is facilitating for the entire team. I find it harder to see a game where Tony is hitting his shot penetrating and passing out and isn't a total liability on defense where the Spurs lose, unless the team is just giving it up on defense. If Kiwi went nova shutting down the opposing teams best player scores say 30+ points the Spurs could still lose. If Tony goes nova he not only scores 25+ but by virtue of his position has 15+ assists that Spurs team just seems harder to beat. Not that I think TP is a better player but PG is a more important position to a teams success.

Tony has had only 1 game with 10 or more assists (21 pts 13 assists) and the Spurs lost.

In games where Kawhi scores at least 15 pts and gets 10 rebs the Spurs are 10-0.

[rasuo214]

I also said numerous time he was the best player of the team this season...

but best player does not equal value (only in Canada apparently) :lol

Depending on how you determine value (production based on salary or how important they are to the team or trade value). I would say that Kawhi has been the most valuable player on the team this season.

[spurraider21]

Tier One
Kawhi
Timmy

Tier Two
Green
Manu
Splitter
Boris

Tier Three
Enrique
Paddy
CoJo
Baynes
tbh if parker regresses back into pre-march form, he could be in tier 1 but in a bad way

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Kawhi
Duncan
Diaw
Parker
Splitter
Manu
Green
Baynes
Bellinelli
Cojo
Mills
Anderson
Williams
Bonner
Ayers

[Brazil]

Depending on how you determine value (production based on salary or how important they are to the team or trade value). I would say that Kawhi has been the most valuable player on the team this season.

yes value is much larger than being the best player, you can talk about wins produced, influence on the locker room and on FO, you can talk about importance for the franchise or indeed trade value etc...

In terms of value to the team Tim is still the man imo...

Even talking about purely BB, his impact as a player during this season is fucking underrated due to couple of posters spoiling the board with their BS trolling, you read ST board and you think Tim is washed, sucks at Post up, slow, cannot defend P&R etc... BUT one tend to forget dude played almost all Spurs game this season except for 5, he carried the load for a while when Kawhi and Parker were dealing with injuries. He is the player who logged the most minutes just behind Green, he produced the most points of the roster, the most rebounds, most blocks, third on assists, he has the sames Ortg and Drtg than Kawhi, best win shares of the team etc etc...

So ya in terms of value to the team, Tim is still 1 and Kawhi is 2... even though at his age Duncan is not anymore the best player of the roster but he is far from being far behind and is the second best at 38 y/o

[SASdynasty!]

It's not Parker hate. :lol. Truthfully, Parker hasn't been that good the last two seasons due to fatigue, breaking down. He's getting old. It happens.
Your bad takes are getting old too. It happens.

[SASdynasty!]

Leonard
Parker
Duncan
Ginobili
Splitter
Green
Mills
Diaw
Belinelli
Joseph
Baynes
Bonner
Ayers
Anderson
Williams

[timtonymanu]

Your bad takes are getting old too. It happens.

It was still true. But keep deflecting per usual.

[SASdynasty!]

It was still true. But keep deflecting per usual.
I gave you my take right below.

[TimmyDuncan21]

1. Duncan
2. KL
3. Tony when hes 100%
4. rest of team