Classified Evidence: US Soldiers Raped Boys In Front Of Their Mothers

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/iraq/abughraib/151108.pdf

http://www.salon.com/2004/07/15/hersh_7/

http://theantimedia.org/us-soldiers-raped-boys-in-front-of-their-mothers/

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/may/22/iraq.usa1

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“I saw [name blacked out] ****ing a kid, his age would be about 15-18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard the screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn’t covered and I saw [blacked out], who was wearing the military uniform putting his dick in the little kid’s ass, I couldn’t see the face of the kid because his face wasn’t in front of the door. And the female soldier was taking pictures.”

[Winehole23]

The subject line misrepresents. Sy Hersh says it was an Iraqi translator who did the raping. US personnel looked on and took pictures, allegedly, but the rape was subcontracted out to locals.

Few remember, but at the time, Lindsay Graham said the record at Abu Ghraib reflected crimes like murder and rape. This all started coming out in 2004.

[angrydude]

I'm sure someone out there is going to spin this as "war is hell. shit happens."

[angrydude]

The subject line misrepresents. Sy Hersh says it was an Iraqi translator who did the raping. US personnel looked on and took pictures, allegedly, but the rape was subcontracted out to locals.

Few remember, but at the time, Lindsay Graham said the record at Abu Ghraib reflected crimes like murder and rape. This all started coming out in 2004.

Taking pictures of someone being raped could still be considered rape. They were accomplices to it.

[Winehole23]

It's possible the redacted refers to US soldiers, and it's entirely possible Sy Hersh is carrying water for his DOD/intelligence sources by laying blame on an Iraqi.

But it's also possible he's right.

[Winehole23]

Quien sabe? Redacted for sanitary purposes.

[Winehole23]

For sure taking pictures of child rape is complicity and perfectly monstrous from the quaint, totally outmoded pre-9/11 moral point of view.

[ElNono]

Enhanced Sexual Techniques... nobody was tried for it, so it's legal!

[Winehole23]

so says Yoni

[DMC]

Pretty sure Daniel Pearl could have lived with an ass raping instead of being beheaded on video.

[m>s]

USA has committed more war crimes than any other nation

[boutons_deux]

Do Not Click On This Story About Rumored CIA-Detainee Rape By Dogs. Really, Don’t.

http://wonkette.com/569651/do-not-click-on-this-story-about-rumored-cia-detainee-rape-by-dogs-really-dont

[boutons_deux]

‘Human Experimentation Was a Core Feature of the CIA Torture Program’

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/human_experimentation_was_a_core_feature_of_the_ci a_torture_progra_20141218?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+Truthdig+Truthdig%253A+Dril ling+Beneath+the+Headlines

[SupremeGuy]

Man, we would all be talking German right now if we had this many people constantly criticizing our war tactics in WW1 or WW2, tbh. I can just imagine some asshole politicians telling Patton that he can't attack heavily populated areas and that he's supposed to keep the civilian death toll down to a minimum or he'd be tried for war crimes. :lol

[m>s]

Man, we would all be talking German right now if we had this many people constantly criticizing our war tactics in WW1 or WW2, tbh. I can just imagine some asshole politicians telling Patton that he can't attack heavily populated areas and that he's supposed to keep the civilian death toll down to a minimum or he'd be tried for war crimes. :lol


and speaking german would be a bad thing? we'd probably also be colonizing other planets and harvesting resources from space.

bad choice in bringing up patton btw, this is the man who realized at the end of the war that we fought on the wrong side and the kikes took him out before he could speak out.

[ElNono]

:lol I was wondering how Hitler was gonna sneak up in this bitch...

[m>s]

aside from the civilian bombing campaigns in germany there is still vietnam (pissing match with russia), nuking 2 cities in japan (then threatening to attack other countries for their nuclear programs), raping kids and using depleted uranium in iraq, starving german soldiers in the POW camps, bombing yugoslavia, etc

[m>s]

:lol I was wondering how Hitler was gonna sneak up in this bitch...
hitler is the greatest man the world has seen in ages and your own country argentina was best buddies with him

[ElNono]

well, Peron was a SOB himself, tbh... and I'm half italian, so we might aswell sneak in Mussolini in here

[m>s]

>implying the Duce wasn't a great man who actually worked for his people unlike the bastards we have today

[lefty]

:lol cuckold Murican soldiers
:lol raping kids is the only sex they get in their pathetic lives
:lol sent by their country their love so much on a fake mission
:lol only to get cucked and come back with injuries, weird conditions and PTSD
:lol that's if they come back at all
:lol treated like shit by their government when they come back
:lol baseball fans

[ElNono]

tbh, not from my time... and winners normally get to write history...

[SupremeGuy]

:lol I was wondering how Hitler was gonna sneak up in this bitch...In a thread about things that happen in war, you're surprised someone is bringing up the largest wars in the last 100 years? Really? :lol

[ElNono]

In a thread about things that happen in war, you're surprised someone is bringing up the largest wars in the last 100 years? Really? :lol

:lol what current war are you trying to compare with the largest war this planet have ever seen exactly?

and what does "happen in war" has to do with raping children?

[SupremeGuy]

Are you being serious? Rape, murder, and atrocities happen in every war. Are you really that naive?

[ElNono]

Are you being serious? Rape, murder, and atrocities happen in every war. Are you really that naive?

and what happened to those guys? did you ever hear about Nuremberg Trials?

[ElNono]

Maybe I misunderstood what you were trying to say, but there's no justification for raping children...

[SupremeGuy]

Both sides committed war crimes, once again, are you really that naive? Things that are happening in current wars have taken place in every war, ever.

[SupremeGuy]

There's no justification for killing people either, but guess what, that's basically how you win a war.

[ElNono]

uh, we've thrown puppies off a cliff too, that doesn't mean it's ok because "happen in war"...

[ElNono]

There's no justification for killing people either, but guess what, that's basically how you win a war.

In a war there is...

[ElNono]

I mean, if you call yourself the "good" guys, I suppose you do keep the higher standard, right?

[ElNono]

raping children wins the war how?

[SupremeGuy]

In a war there is...If you're ok with killing people during war, I don't see why rape bothers you so much, tbh.

[SupremeGuy]

raping children wins the war how?Demoralizes enemy moral, releases stress from soldiers, etc. I'm talking about rape in general, not just child rape, but don't be naive to think it doesn't happen to whoever they capture and want to take advantage of.

[ElNono]

If you're ok with killing people during war, I don't see why rape bothers you so much, tbh.

you said it yourself, killing people wins wars... raping children, not so much...

[ElNono]

Demoralizes enemy moral, releases stress from soldiers, etc. I'm talking about rape in general, not just child rape, but don't be naive to think it doesn't happen to whoever they capture and want to take advantage of.

there's a long mile between "happens" and "it's ok because it's war"... I understand the former, the latter is reprehensible, IMO.

[SupremeGuy]

So you would rather they just kill everyone they capture? Be realistic. They're going to capture women(of all ages) and do whatever they want to them. Rape in war is as common as killing.

[SupremeGuy]

Wartime sexual violence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartime_sexual_violence)


Antiquity

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/Paul_Jamin_-_Le_Brenn_et_sa_part_de_butin_1893.jpg/220px-Paul_Jamin_-_Le_Brenn_et_sa_part_de_butin_1893.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paul_Jamin_-_Le_Brenn_et_sa_part_de_butin_1893.jpg) "Brennus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brennus_%284th_century_BC%29) and His Share of the Spoils", by Paul Jamin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Jamin), 1893.


Rape has accompanied warfare in virtually every known historical era.[83] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartime_sexual_violence#cite_note-83) The Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece) and Roman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Rome) armies reportedly engaged in war rape, which is documented by ancient authors such as Homer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homer), Herodotus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodotus), and Livy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livy).[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] Ancient sources held multiple, often contradictory attitudes to sexual violence in warfare.[84] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartime_sexual_violence#cite_note-84) It has been alleged that the Bible mentions rape in the course of war multiple times: "For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women taken..." Zechariah 14:2 (http://tools.wmflabs.org/bibleversefinder/?book=Zechariah&verse=14:2&src=ESV) "Their little children will be dashed to death before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked, and their wives will be taken."Isaiah 13:16 (http://tools.wmflabs.org/bibleversefinder/?book=Isaiah&verse=13:16&src=NLT) However, the Oral Torah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_Torah) clarifies that the relationships must be consensual. Failure to do so violates the commandment 'he should not make use of her.'[85] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartime_sexual_violence#cite_note-85)
Roman military officers often used the young boys of defeated peoples for homosexual intercourse. The Roman historian Tacitus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus) noted this happening during the Revolt of the Batavi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_of_the_Batavi).[86] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartime_sexual_violence#cite_note-86)

[SupremeGuy]

War, rape, war rape, they've all gone together since the dawn of time.

[ElNono]

So you would rather they just kill everyone they capture? Be realistic. They're going to capture women(of all ages) and do whatever they want to them. Rape in war is as common as killing.

:lol why would they have to kill? what happened with imprison? Plus, are we talking about civilians here? I understand that there will be civilian casualties in any armed conflict, but soldiers that purposely shoot and kill civilians are court-martial all the time. At least by the "good" guys.

why would it be different with child rape?

[SupremeGuy]

Your unwillingness to accept that rape happens in every war has led us to the end of the conversation, tbh. We're just going to keep going in circles. :lol

[ElNono]

Already acknowledged a few posts ago...


there's a long mile between "happens" and "it's ok because it's war"... I understand the former, the latter is reprehensible, IMO.

[ElNono]

IMO, child rape is reprehensible all the time. No excuses or justifications. People can certainly disagree...

[SupremeGuy]

It's as ok as killing because it's war, tbh.

[SupremeGuy]

IMO, child rape is reprehensible all the time. No excuses or justifications. People can certainly disagree...Killing is reprehensible all the time, but it happens in war. Same as rape.

[ElNono]

Uh, no. We go great lengths to differentiate between civilians and enemies in war, and we purposely try to avoid civilian casualties. Do they happen? Sure. Do we prosecute people that purposely kill civilians? Sure.

[Cry Havoc]

Killing is reprehensible all the time, but it happens in war. Same as rape.

Wow. And you accuse Nono of being naive.

[SupremeGuy]

Wow. And you accuse Nono of being naive.Yeah, rape never happens in war. :rolleyes

[SupremeGuy]

Uh, yes. Killing is reprehensible in all situations, but it happens in war. Same as rape.

[Cry Havoc]

Yeah, rape never happens in war. :rolleyes

Well, it happens, so we might as well condone it. Hell, let's get a viewing party going on Pay Per View. That way we can all participate and enjoy it.

I don't think I've ever lost respect for someone so quickly. I hope for your sake you're in your teens.

[Cry Havoc]

Uh, yes. Killing is reprehensible in all situations, but it happens in war. Same as rape.

Chemical weapons deployment happens too. So you'd be fine with a rogue cell deploying white phosphorus in your city? I mean, these things happen in war, right?

[SupremeGuy]

It's war. I wouldn't have much of a choice, tbh. :lol I chalk up anything that happens in a war, to "it's a fucking war." I'm not saying I condone it, I'm just saying that I'm not dumb enough to believe that such things aren't going to happen.

[SupremeGuy]

Killing, rape, torture, etc are all reprehensible, but they're all going to take place in war. Whether you guys want to believe it or not.

[Cry Havoc]

It's war. I wouldn't have much of a choice, tbh. :lol I chalk up anything that happens in a war, to "it's a fucking war." I'm not saying I condone it, I'm just saying that I'm not dumb enough to believe that such things aren't going to happen.

Please show where Nono or I said these things don't happen. I'll wait.

[Cry Havoc]

Killing, rape, torture, etc are all reprehensible, but they're all going to take place in war. Whether you guys want to believe it or not.

Please show where Nono or I said these things don't happen. I'll wait.

[SupremeGuy]

Good, I'm glad you guys agree with me. :toast

[ElNono]

:lol

[angrydude]

Killing, rape, torture, etc are all reprehensible, but they're all going to take place in war. Whether you guys want to believe it or not.

Crime is going to occur all the time too, that doesn't mean we don't prosecute criminals.

[SupremeGuy]

Are we going to prosecute every single person that killed an enemy combatant?

[ChumpDumper]

Are we going to prosecute every single person that killed an enemy combatant?Straw man.

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Why Is Rape at the Origin of Most Religion?

Powerful gods and demi-gods impregnating human women—it’s a common theme in the history of religion, and it’s more than a little rapey.

Zeus comes to Danae in the form of a golden shower, cutting “ the knot of intact virginity (http://ancientlibrary.com/greek-anthology/0252.html)” and leaving her pregnant with the Greek hero, Perseus.

Jupiter forcibly overcomes Europa by transforming himself into a white bull and abducting her. He imprisons her on the Isle of Crete, over time fathering three children.

Hermes copulates with a shepherdess to produce Pan.

The legendary founders of Rome, Romulus and Remus are conceived when the Roman god Mars impregnates Rea Silvia, a vestal virgin.

Helen of Troy, the rare female offspring of a god-human mating, is produced when Zeus takes the form of a swan to get access to Leda.

In some accounts Alexander the Great and the Emperor Augustus are sowed by gods in the form of serpents, by Phoebus and Jupiter respectively.

Though the earliest Christians had a competing story (http://valerietarico.com/2014/12/09/the-not-so-virgin-birth-of-the-christmas-story/), in the Gospel of Luke, the Virgin Mary gets pregnant when the spirit of the Lord comes upon her and the power of the Most High overshadows her.

http://www.alternet.org/belief/why-rape-origin-most-religion

[SupremeGuy]

Straw man.Excellent argument. I see you're adding as much to this thread as you are in the other one.

[DMC]

It doesn't matter what you condone since you're not in charge of anything that matters.

[m>s]

This is also more reason for the 2nd amendment, you get invaded and it might save you from getting raped

[Cry Havoc]

Excellent argument. I see you're adding as much to this thread as you are in the other one.

Do you know what a straw man is? Serious question. YOUR argument is the one that's being sundered here.

[SupremeGuy]

Do you know what a straw man is? Serious question. YOUR argument is the one that's being sundered here.Because cd said so? He literally added nothing to the conversation.

[Cry Havoc]

Because cd said so? He literally added nothing to the conversation.

So you don't know what a straw man is. Cool. Thanks for acknowledging your ignorance.

[SupremeGuy]

So you don't know what a straw man is. Cool. Thanks for acknowledging your ignorance.Thanks for adding to the conversation. Excellent points, tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

Because cd said so? He literally added nothing to the conversation.I added the fact you made a straw man. Straw men add nothing to the conversation.

[SupremeGuy]

I added the fact you made a straw man. Straw men add nothing to the conversation.Still adding nothing huh? Come back when you have something to actually say, tbh.

[Cry Havoc]

Thanks for adding to the conversation. Excellent points, tbh.

Since you're still too daft to get it, chump was pointing out that you were creating an argument out of thin air. Hence - straw man.

You're arguing a point he never made, doesn't exist, and therefore aren't adding to the conversation.

[SupremeGuy]

So neither of you guys are planning on adding anything to this conversation right? :lol

:cry straw man :cry

[Cry Havoc]

So neither of you guys are planning on adding anything to this conversation right? :lol

:cry straw man :cry

You used a logical fallacy and got called out for it. Deal with it like a man. I know that's asking a lot of you, but try.

[ChumpDumper]

Still adding nothing huh? Come back when you have something to actually say, tbh.I said you made a straw man tbh.

Consider that added.

[SupremeGuy]

Still nothing huh?

:cry straw man :cry isn't adding anything tbh

[ChumpDumper]

Are we going to prosecute every single person that killed an enemy combatant?As a straw man argument, this added nothing to the conversation.

[diego]

so if soldiers raping little boys is so common, Im sure supreme guy can find multiple examples in the last hundred years, regardless of whether it was the "good" or "bad" guys doing it. Or do we have to go back to the Romans? The world has changed a wee bit since then. Thats a war crime, just like the abuses at abu grhaib and guantanamo. Saying "thats just war" is asinine, more so when the soldiers raping are from the country that started the war, worse still under the premise that the war was to "free" the people.

It was so much harder to argue against american imperialism pre 911 when the US actually pretended to care about human rights, this shit is disgusting and no one will be held responsible for it. And the next attack it will be "they hate us for our freedom!" (to bomb, torture and rape with impunity)

[Silver&Black]

Man, we would all be talking German right now if we had this many people constantly criticizing our war tactics in WW1 or WW2, tbh. I can just imagine some asshole politicians telling Patton that he can't attack heavily populated areas and that he's supposed to keep the civilian death toll down to a minimum or he'd be tried for war crimes. :lol

You're quickly becoming one of my favorite posters tbh....

[boutons_deux]

yep, if Patton killed 1000s of civilians and Truman killed 100Ks of Japanese civilians, then it means whatever USA does, it's ok. and/or does it mean that USA is not as angelic, freedom!, democracy! as "Christian" USA's self-glorifying myth preaches.

Could it be, horrors!, that USA and it humans aren't exceptional, not really Better Than All The Rest?

Ask Your Doctor, before taking USA Freedom! and Democracy Therapy. Side effects may be rape, murder, genocide, depleted uranium, decades-long pollution, torture, infrastructure destruction, installation/support of corrupt govt, birth defects, wide spread death.

Just keep repeting "Above All, USA Does No Harm"

Results May Vary, but USA Freedom! and Democracy! therapy has failed to cure for 70 years.

[CosmicCowboy]

straw man smack = grammar smack = spelling smack

[SnakeBoy]

Uh, no. We go great lengths to differentiate between civilians and enemies in war, and we purposely try to avoid civilian casualties.

We didn't in WWII but yeah in all of our losing efforts since then we have tried to pretend war could be cleaned up nice and pretty like.

[ElNono]

We didn't in WWII but yeah in all of our losing efforts since then we have tried to pretend war could be cleaned up nice and pretty like.

Dunno about that. Nam was pretty messy. Desert storm pretty clean IIRC...

A lot easier to 'win' when you have actual goals, I suppose...

[boutons_deux]

Desert storm pretty clean

nope, the US military totally SLAUGHTERED the RETREATING Iraqi Army. In the mythical Old West, shooting somebody in the back was dishonorable.

[Leetonidas]

Killing people is the point of war, usually soldiers or enemy combatants. Raping children is something completely different and chalking it up to war makes no sense :lol

No one here is saying it doesn't happen, but killing the enemy is the point of war. Raping children is just sick and has nothing to do with battles, tactics, or anything. imho raping a child >>>> killing an adult.

[CosmicCowboy]

nope, the US military totally SLAUGHTERED the RETREATING Iraqi Army. In the mythical Old West, shooting somebody in the back was dishonorable.

:lmao @ Boo watching Hopalong Cassidy and Roy Rogers.

This just confirms why Boo believes cops should defeat bad guys by shooting their guns out of their hands.

[boutons_deux]

"Killing people is the point of war"

The First Gulf war was OVER. The Iraqis had collapsed, were retreating, the US killers mowed them down, blew them up. The excuse I heard was the essentially "boys will be boys"

[Silver&Black]

:lmao @ Boo watching Hopalong Cassidy and Roy Rogers.

This just confirms why Boo believes cops should defeat bad guys by shooting their guns out of their hands.

:lmao

[boutons_deux]

:lmao @ Boo watching Hopalong Cassidy and Roy Rogers.

This just confirms why Boo believes cops should defeat bad guys by shooting their guns out of their hands.

I also learned that "the only good injun is a dead injun"

[Silver&Black]

the US military totally SLAUGHTERED the RETREATING Iraqi Army.

So when your enemy retreats....you just let them go, let them resupply, regroup, and come again? :bang

:tu Fantastic logic. If you were in the military you would advance to the rank of General or Admiral in no time.

I guess the British were gutless worms for continuing to attack the retreating colonists during the revolutionary war? And I guess the colonists were gutless worms for resorting to "guerrilla warfare" and not standing in an open field shooting at one another. Cause this was the "honorable" thing to do at the time.

[ElNono]

nope, the US military totally SLAUGHTERED the RETREATING Iraqi Army. In the mythical Old West, shooting somebody in the back was dishonorable.

Shut the fuck up. They were soldiers, THAT is part of war...