Is Harden the MVP So Far This Season?

[BatManu20]

Dude is playing out of his mind so far. Dropped 44 pts, 7 asts, & 5 stls in only 32 minutes tonight in a blowout win over Portland (His 3rd 40+ point performance this season).


Has Houston just 1 game out of the #2 seed in the West, despite Dwight missing 11 games. Season averages thus far:

26 pts, 7 asts, 6 rbs, 2 stls, 1 blk, 25.04 PER.


And defensively, he's actually been pretty good this year:

1.9 defensive win shares leads the NBA.
#2 in defensive efficiency.
Averaging almost 2 stls per.

Some of this is is attributed to scheme and improved team defense (especially with Ariza replacing Chandler & Lin no longer there), and he's still not a great defensive player, but the improvements can't be ignored, tbh.


I know it's early, but he's got to be early favorite for MVP imo. I've heard Anthony Davis & Curry most, but Harden's having an incredible year so far. What say you?

[apalisoc_9]

yeah..

[DAF86]

DMC's friend, tbh.

[Blizzardwizard]

Anthony Davis tbh

[Malik Hairston]

I'd take Harden without any argument, tbh..

Curry and Davis as runners up, so far..

[sook]

As of now? Yes. Easily. No hommerism in that, I'm actually very critical of Harden.

That being said, I think the 2nd half of the season will be a bit different. Lebron might have the cavs surge, Durant (the best offensive player on the planet) might get OKC streaking, AD is not too far off right now and something might cause the Pelicans to surge..

[scanry]

It took the Rockets 15 years to find a franchise player after Hakeem. If not for the trade, we'd be looking at an OKC dynasty tbh.

[Robz4000]

One game out? Houston has been the 2 seed and always will be...

[Silver&Black]

It's between him and Curry imo....

But...I would give the nod to Harden right now though.

[Holden_Caulfield]

hes been every bit the definition of mvp so far

[noob cake]

Leads the league in scoring.
Leads the league in defensive win share, second in defensive efficiency.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_leaders.html

Leads the league in clutch time scoring, both pts/36 and advanced efficiency.
http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/clutch/?sort=PTS&dir=1&CF=GP*G*10
http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/clutch/advanced/?sort=PIE&dir=1&CF=GP*G*10

[rogues]

:lol He will break down come February..he won't sniff the MVP, tbh..

[GuerillaBlack]

:( Harden come back. We made a mistake here in Methlahoma, tbh.. :(

[Brunodf]

Yeah, i don't know if he can keep up until the end of the season though

[dirk4mvp]

Some thug is gonna get tired of his food stamp act and end his season tbh

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol if he wins mvp

lmao westbrick will be fuming...

[scanry]

^ Westbrook is still better.

[Mal]

Kirby is da real MVP. 25-5-5

[BatManu20]

Kirby is da real MVP. 25-5-5

Pretty sad that Kirby's going to take the place of someone who deserves to be at the All-Star Game this year. For shame.

[scanry]

Pretty sad that Kirby's going to take the place of someone who deserves to be at the All-Star Game this year. For shame.

ESPN will start the media frenzy for Harden soon. No way Kobe makes it as the starter to the all star game this year. Too much ESPN pride involved.

[Calispursfan11]

Overreaction thread tbh

[BatManu20]

Overreaction thread tbh

How so? In many minds, he's the early favorite for MVP. Not saying he's going to win it, just saying that he's the leader a third of the way through the season. And, the numbers support that.

[urunobili]

Curry, Stephen

[Killakobe81]

How so? In many minds, he's the early favorite for MVP. Not saying he's going to win it, just saying that he's the leader a third of the way through the season. And, the numbers support that.

Of course they do. But the MVP is more than stats. he has kept Rox in a top 2-3 spot in West with Howard, Beverly and Jones all missing significant time. The media will talk about coach K, Asst. coach Dunn (or those youtube video as Simmons suggested) sparking him to commit on that end. The "narrative" for an MVP campaign is key , tbh. Shouldn't be, but is. He also has big national TV games coming up that will add to his stats. You will see the momentum gaining for his campaign ... if he continues his stellar play

BTW, he has been so much better on defense but LOL at those advanced defensive metrics ... what a shitty stat if he is leading the league.

[Splits]

Kirby is da real MVP. 25-5-5

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[Franklin]

If you're speaking of regular season MVP, yes, definitely yes.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol aids faggot should stfu

[Mal]

530078848407588865

Griffin :lmao Rose :lmao Carmelo :lmao Bryant :lmao

Curry or Harden right now.

[RsxPiimp]

He's good, id say he has a slight edge over Kobe right now.

[BatManu20]

Almost half way there.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7cr4P0CcAEiWgs.jpg

[BatManu20]

Bet Lebron still makes All-NBA Defensive Team.

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[Splits]

Bet Lebron still makes All-NBA Defensive Team.

555941991247142913

:lol

[spurraider21]

:lmao damn

[djohn2oo8]

https://imageshack.com/a/img661/7136/awxK5K.gif

[Mugen]

^that's a terrible possession bailed out by the backboard tbh :lol

[hater]

Eliancito Gonzales, Gasol and Lollard are ahead of him IMO

[StrengthAndHonor]

It has to be Curry at this point. Team record is much better and his efficiency are much more impressive too (50/40/90 club). Of course Houston could still improve along the way but I can't see an MVP candidate playing on a 4th seed team winning this, unless he puts extraordinary numbers.

[unleashbaynes]

:lol Presti
:lol trade raped

[The Gemini Method]

Fuck man...imagine if Presti wasn't retarded and the Thunder kept Harden? It would've been lights out. Wow. Has to be one of the biggest mistakes in the history of the NBA. Even if they manage to win a chip--they'll always be that "what-if?" talk regarding Harden and the Thunder.

[hater]

Fuck man...imagine if Presti wasn't retarded and the Thunder kept Harden? It would've been lights out. Wow. Has to be one of the biggest mistakes in the history of the NBA. Even if they manage to win a chip--they'll always be that "what-if?" talk regarding Harden and the Thunder.

I think Harden wanted out too. he wanted $$$$ and limelight.

tbh I think the team would have imploded if Presti had managed to keep them 3 ballhogs together.

[The Gemini Method]

I think Harden wanted out too. he wanted $$$$ and limelight.

tbh I think the team would have imploded if Presti had managed to keep them 3 ballhogs together.

That is true. I think, though, it would've worked on the Durant-Harden side. Westbrook would've been salty for sure.

[DAF86]

And to think that if he stayed in OKC he wouldn't even be viewed as a top 10 player.

It makes me think of another lefty sixth man which individual greatness is hugely undervalued because of the circumstances.

[BatManu20]

557379278291992576

[ImDaNuts]

Harden is slightly ahead of Curry for MVP right now.

[sook]

I don't think stats will really come into the picture that much. If the warriors finish with the #1 record and the rockets outside of the top 3, it will be curry.

[RsxPiimp]

It has to be Curry at this point. Team record is much better and his efficiency are much more impressive too (50/40/90 club). Of course Houston could still improve along the way but I can't see an MVP candidate playing on a 4th seed team winning this, unless he puts extraordinary numbers.

[100%duncan]

If they kept Harden they would have atleast 2 titles right now

[endrity]

Keep Harden, trade Westrbook for a passing PG and a big better than Perkins, and they're golden.

[Horse]

fuck that fag

[eric365]

Westbrook could easily win a MVP one day

Imagine 3 MVP level player in the same team...

[Brunodf]

Westbrook could easily win a MVP one day

Imagine 3 MVP level player in the same team...
Plus the zebras

[Horse]

Plus the zebras

No kidding half his points come from calls he doesn't deserve. This cocksucker would rather get fouled then score outright.

[JohnnyMax]

http://i.imgur.com/GzCkvre.gif

[Malik Hairston]

MVP and it's not even close right now, tbh..

[024]

yup, crazy to think the Thunder had 3 legitimate MVP winners on their team. Not the stupid "in the conversation" crap but players I can legitimately see winning the MVP.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

No doubt.

[The Reckoning]

Houston gotta win some more ballgames if the beard wants to bring home mvp

[Stalin]

http://i.imgur.com/GzCkvre.gif




brah, wtf is that? looks fucking hilarious :lol:lol:lol

[Mikeanaro]

brah, wtf is that? looks fucking hilarious :lol:lol:lol
Thats a dude from some European country who said he was able to levitate or something like that, the guy on the left said that was BS and physically impossible so this dude went berserk and got ejected form the show, with sound is glorious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfr3APxBg8A

[Splits]

Thats a dude from some European country who said he was able to levitate or something like that, the guy on the left said that was BS and physically impossible so this dude went berserk and got ejected form the show, with sound is glorious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rfr3APxBg8A

Umm, I don't speak Turkish but that's Turkish, not European.

[Mikeanaro]

You are right, turk, arab or something like that is more accurate but he was suffering that old fuck ruined his life bursting his wonderful bubble :cry

[StrengthAndHonor]

Curry still has the edge.

On pace to win 60 + wins
Better advance statistics than Harden (RAPM, W/S, PER VORP)
Better efficiency
GSW swept Houston in the regular season
Curry's appeal in the media is also a home run

[Stalin]

That Turkish sweety looks hot when flustered by a psycho fraud throwing a fake seizure.

[Splits]

That Turkish sweety looks hot when flustered by a psycho fraud throwing a fake seizure.

She's a bit thick and old, but I'd hit it after a couple of Rakis...

[sook]

Curry still has the edge.

On pace to win 60 + wins
Better advance statistics than Harden (RAPM, W/S, PER VORP)
Better efficiency
GSW swept Houston in the regular season
Curry's appeal in the media is also a home run

You're right Curry has the edge in the race...but look at how stacked his team is :lol

Dude had 10 points tonight but they won by so much because Thompson goes off for 53

[StrengthAndHonor]

You're right Curry has the edge in the race...but look at how stacked his team is :lol

Dude had 10 points tonight but they won by so much because Thompson goes off for 53

Oh for sure, I think Harden's value with the Rockets exceeds that of Curry with Golden State. But we all know how this usually plays out. The best team with the best player rule always plays a huge factor. And with Curry also has great numbers to support his case.

[Pelicans78]

Harden has the highest WS in the league, but he's played 200 more minutes than Curry as well since the Warriors win alot of blowouts and regularly rest their starters. Their WS/48 minutes are similar, but Curry is slightly, slightly higher. Overall, Harden has to do more for his team since Howard isn't close the player he was in Orlando and Curry has a much better coach in Kerr than that loser McHale. But that said, Curry's team has the best record in the league and his efficiency is on par with Harden. Gotta go with Curry for now.

[sook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYxdIrgagG4

[RsxPiimp]

Should be Harden but Curry is the favorite to win it.

[Sheriff Hoyt]

37/8/5

[djohn2oo8]

40 Pts, 12 Reb, 9 Ast, 3 Stl, 1 Blk

[sook]

40 Pts, 12 Reb, 9 Ast, 3 Stl, 1 Blk

46 points the other night too I believe.

[mystargtr34]

If the Rockets finish as the 2-4 seed I think you almost have to give it to him the way he's carried that team with Dwight being out half the year.. His only real competition is Curry imo so could go either way but I'd have Harden slightly ahead atm.

[Killakobe81]

If the Rockets finish as the 2-4 seed I think you almost have to give it to him the way he's carried that team with Dwight being out half the year.. His only real competition is Curry imo so could go either way but I'd have Harden slightly ahead atm.

If they get a top 3 seed he should get it if he finishes strong impressive game tonight

[Robz4000]

Yes

[DMC]

Shitty year when a guy who doesn't play a lick of defense can win the MVP. Oh wait...

[djohn2oo8]

Shitty year when a guy who doesn't play a lick of defense can win the MVP. Oh wait...

He's playing D this year so far. 102 DRtg, 4th in steals

[tlongII]

He gets bailed out more than any other player in the league. His game is a fucking joke.

[sook]

He gets bailed out more than any other player in the league. His game is a fucking joke.

whining about :cry not making the ASS game :cry

Thats a fucking joke :lol

[Bulaien999]

He gets bailed out more than any other player in the league. His game is a fucking joke.

A silky jumper is not getting bailed out.

[RsxPiimp]

Harden has even stopped flopping this season. Never liked his game but he's legit this year.

[wanggi]

Hahaha, that moron misguided the defense and let Lillard hit the buzzard beater.

[djohn2oo8]

Hahaha, that moron misguided the defense and let Lillard hit the buzzard beater.

How is Parsons defense this year? Still bad looks like.

[JamStone]

I'd take both Curry and Davis over Harden to be on my team, but statistically speaking, Harden certainly has a strong case.

Might be the toughest guy to guard in the league, even more so than LeBron or KD or Melo. It's almost impossible to avoid contact when he attacks the basket the way he drives and puts his body into defenders. The fact he can hit not only three pointers but step-back fade-away jumpers off the dribble keeps any defender off balanced. Bigger defenders aren't quick enough. Quicker guards aren't strong enough. He's as close to an impossible guard in the league right now.

That said, I'm not a big fan of his bully ball drives. And he looks like he belongs in the and-1 circuit when he puts on his dribbling thru the legs, crossover exhibitions every possession down. I find unnecessary dribbling annoying to watch, particularly on the NBA level. This isn't Rucker Park. So not a huge fan of his game, but he definitely has been impressive.

[Killakobe81]

I'd take both Curry and Davis over Harden to be on my team, but statistically speaking, Harden certainly has a strong case.

Might be the toughest guy to guard in the league, even more so than LeBron or KD or Melo. It's almost impossible to avoid contact when he attacks the basket the way he drives and puts his body into defenders. The fact he can hit not only three pointers but step-back fade-away jumpers off the dribble keeps any defender off balanced. Bigger defenders aren't quick enough. Quicker guards aren't strong enough. He's as close to an impossible guard in the league right now.

That said, I'm not a big fan of his bully ball drives. And he looks like he belongs in the and-1 circuit when he puts on his dribbling thru the legs, crossover exhibitions every possession down. I find unnecessary dribbling annoying to watch, particularly on the NBA level. This isn't Rucker Park. So not a huge fan of his game, but he definitely has been impressive.

agree with ALL of this. It may not be appealing especially to purists but he is so effective. And I agree maybe only Lebron is a tougher cover because people forget Harden also has a post game. And only reason I say Lebron is tougher is because of his size. Harden has been amazing, and of course LOL OKC ...

[sook]

I'd take both Curry and Davis over Harden to be on my team, but statistically speaking, Harden certainly has a strong case.

Might be the toughest guy to guard in the league, even more so than LeBron or KD or Melo. It's almost impossible to avoid contact when he attacks the basket the way he drives and puts his body into defenders. The fact he can hit not only three pointers but step-back fade-away jumpers off the dribble keeps any defender off balanced. Bigger defenders aren't quick enough. Quicker guards aren't strong enough. He's as close to an impossible guard in the league right now.

That said, I'm not a big fan of his bully ball drives. And he looks like he belongs in the and-1 circuit when he puts on his dribbling thru the legs, crossover exhibitions every possession down. I find unnecessary dribbling annoying to watch, particularly on the NBA level. This isn't Rucker Park. So not a huge fan of his game, but he definitely has been impressive.

You would have a point, except that he uses it to create space for a step back he knocks down over 50% of the time. Yes, if he didn't make it I would be bitching at him like I did at Rafer Alston way back. Curry is good, but when you have a team with so many sharp shooters like GS is it ever possible to completely play off of the other defenders? He creates his own shot, but is also set up for Korver like plays by the team. Spot up and shoot wide open jumpers or floaters. I would take Durant and Davis over him, and probably not Lebron because his age seems to be catching up to him.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3-G0F7maUo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvta5wZoGEw



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRUFcejJ58E

[sook]

http://oi61.tinypic.com/1zp76n6.jpg

[hater]

Harden is the new TMac. I have my doubts that team will even get out of the 1st round as composed.

[Double-Up]

Harden is the new TMac. I have my doubts that team will even get out of the 1st round as composed.

That's bullshit, he's nothing like McGrady. What the fuck have you been watching?

[hater]

That's bullshit, he's nothing like McGrady. What the fuck have you been watching?

a superstar that carries the team in reg season but won't be able to carry his team deep in the playoffs. TMac had Yao chinadoll. Hardon has Coward chinadoll. lot of similarities imo.

[Cry Havoc]

Harden is the MVP this year unless LeBron continues going supernova, and even then they probably won't give him another MVP.

[Killakobe81]

Harden is the MVP this year unless LeBron continues going supernova, and even then they probably won't give him another MVP.

I agree he should. But my question is if they dont hold on to a top 3 post in the west will they snub him? When is the last time a MVP did not have a top 3 record? In fact if my memory is correct for most of the last 30 years they have had at least the top 3 record overall in the NBA. If that holds true Rox would have to overtake someone I think they sit 4th or 5th right now ...

[JamStone]

You would have a point, except that he uses it to create space for a step back he knocks down over 50% of the time. Yes, if he didn't make it I would be bitching at him like I did at Rafer Alston way back.

I know the purpose of a crossover dribble. My problem with Harden isn't his use of the crossover. It's the egregious and unnecessary use of it. He will crossover 7-8+ times to set up a defender when 2-3 times will do. He'll crossover 30 feet from the rim. That's what I find annoying. Think back to guys like Iverson or Hardaway. I recall then crossing over and back. Maybe a three time cross then making their move. It almost seems like Harden thinks it's mandatory to cross at least half a dozen times before he even thinks about making a move towards the basket. It's and-1 basketball.

It's somewhat nitpicking. It's not to take away from how good he is as a player. It's just a pet peeved of mine. I don't find it entertaining. That's all.

[Killakobe81]

I know the purpose of a crossover dribble. My problem with Harden isn't his use of the crossover. It's the egregious and unnecessary use of it. He will crossover 7-8+ times to set up a defender when 2-3 times will do. He'll crossover 30 feet from the rim. That's what I find annoying. Think back to guys like Iverson or Hardaway. I recall then crossing over and back. Maybe a three time cross then making their move. It almost seems like Harden thinks it's mandatory to cross at least half a dozen times before he even thinks about making a move towards the basket. It's and-1 basketball.

It's somewhat nitpicking. It's not to take away from how good he is as a player. It's just a pet peeved of mine. I don't find it entertaining. That's all.

It's a interesting point. I also despise And 1 hoops especially dudes that make a nice move but dont care about the "finish" havent seen those guys in a while but I seen times where after someone "Falls" or trips they dont even bother with the shot ...

Harden (and Kobe at times) enjoys the showboating and the oohs and ahhs those multiple crosses cause. I dont much like it either and it was funny watching him do it on the road last night. The worst offense the game was already over but I wont lie if he drove on me after all that crap I would have knocked him on his ass. Not to hurt him just to let him know I wont be a willing part of the "show".

When I was in hoops shape I used to love ripping dudes that did this and 1 crap. Yes at times I got "shook" or fell ...but I dont get why anyone should get embarrassed by being crossed or even dunked on. IF you actually play defense those are gonna happen if you play against good enough competition.

[sook]

I know the purpose of a crossover dribble. My problem with Harden isn't his use of the crossover. It's the egregious and unnecessary use of it. He will crossover 7-8+ times to set up a defender when 2-3 times will do. He'll crossover 30 feet from the rim. That's what I find annoying. Think back to guys like Iverson or Hardaway. I recall then crossing over and back. Maybe a three time cross then making their move. It almost seems like Harden thinks it's mandatory to cross at least half a dozen times before he even thinks about making a move towards the basket. It's and-1 basketball.

It's somewhat nitpicking. It's not to take away from how good he is as a player. It's just a pet peeved of mine. I don't find it entertaining. That's all.

lol, don't get me wrong I actually follow that train of thought as well. If the excessive dribbling helps you get your shot and I see results, I won't complain. If you do that crap and miss (on a regular basis)...well I'll probably be just as pissed.

[Cry Havoc]

I know the purpose of a crossover dribble. My problem with Harden isn't his use of the crossover. It's the egregious and unnecessary use of it. He will crossover 7-8+ times to set up a defender when 2-3 times will do. He'll crossover 30 feet from the rim. That's what I find annoying. Think back to guys like Iverson or Hardaway. I recall then crossing over and back. Maybe a three time cross then making their move. It almost seems like Harden thinks it's mandatory to cross at least half a dozen times before he even thinks about making a move towards the basket. It's and-1 basketball.

It's somewhat nitpicking. It's not to take away from how good he is as a player. It's just a pet peeved of mine. I don't find it entertaining. That's all.

I think it's just probably something ingrained in Harden. Don't know if it's even something he's consciously making a decision about. It's definitely annoying at times, but you can't argue his effectiveness.

I do think it could back to bite him in the playoffs though. Teams play much more of a "fuck your showboating we're shutting you down" defense in the post-season.

[JamStone]

Ha I hate it worse when I'm playing ball and someone on my team is an and-1 dribbler. It happened this summer. I played in a basketball tournament and that guy was on my team. Thing was he was actually the best player on our team. And best player by far too. But every single fucking time down, he sat near the top of the key and went dribble crazy for like 30 seconds even when his defender was playing off him or not even moving. I found it so stupid. He could take it to the rim every time without even one crossover. Maybe that's why I'm even more annoyed watching a pro like Harden do it.

[angrydude]

He's only been doing it this year. To me it looks like it's to get him comfortable. Last year he bricked shot after shot taking the same shots without the crossovers.

[RsxPiimp]

I agree he should. But my question is if they dont hold on to a top 3 post in the west will they snub him? When is the last time a MVP did not have a top 3 record? In fact if my memory is correct for most of the last 30 years they have had at least the top 3 record overall in the NBA. If that holds true Rox would have to overtake someone I think they sit 4th or 5th right now ...
This is why Harden has no chance of winning it. Also Curry's pretty much the flavor of the year. He's the golden boy of the NBA.

[djohn2oo8]

This is why Harden has no chance of winning it. Also Curry's pretty much the flavor of the year. He's the golden boy of the NBA.

Curry has a stacked team and a teammate who can go for 50 any night. And a better coach. You are right as he is the golden boy.

[djohn2oo8]

J. Harden
31 Pts,
11 Reb
10 Ast
1 Stl
4 Blks

[djohn2oo8]

http://38.media.tumblr.com/905f6a6c8d508ec568b878bb0af59a5e/tumblr_nk9a88M7FE1qz9xe2o1_r1_500.gif

[RsxPiimp]

Is that Rubio? :lol

[The Franchise]

http://38.media.tumblr.com/905f6a6c8d508ec568b878bb0af59a5e/tumblr_nk9a88M7FE1qz9xe2o1_r1_500.gif

The shimmy dance he did immediately after was pretty funny as well.

[Gummi Clutch]

Damn that was legit :lol

[313]

http://38.media.tumblr.com/905f6a6c8d508ec568b878bb0af59a5e/tumblr_nk9a88M7FE1qz9xe2o1_r1_500.gif
Sheesh

[spurraider21]

yes

[GuerillaBlack]

The shimmy dance he did immediately after was pretty funny as well.

Rockets twitter account trolling the Wolves: https://twitter.com/HoustonRockets/status/570054841147502593 :lol

And the shimmy:

http://i.imgur.com/14oRP2s.gif

He is the MVP. More of the media people with votes have Harden first now. Curry's team is too stacked, LeBron has won too many times, Westbrook's team is in the 8th spot, and Davis is always injured.

[lefty]

^
LIDAN RODRIGUEZ

[Hemotivo]

MVP and it's not even close right now, tbh..

[RsxPiimp]

Honestly, lets not get excited about that crossover. it was Ricky Rubio.


Bin Harden tried to pull the same shit on Wiggins :lmao


http://youtu.be/kJnarXYrFSs

[djohn2oo8]

Honestly, lets not get excited about that crossover. it was Ricky Rubio.


Bin Harden tried to pull the same shit on Wiggins :lmao


http://youtu.be/kJnarXYrFSs

Who cares.. he embarrassed him. You should take some midol or something.

[wekko368]

I agree he should. But my question is if they dont hold on to a top 3 post in the west will they snub him? When is the last time a MVP did not have a top 3 record? In fact if my memory is correct for most of the last 30 years they have had at least the top 3 record overall in the NBA. If that holds true Rox would have to overtake someone I think they sit 4th or 5th right now ...

2012, Lebron James won the MVP, and the Heat had the 4th best record.

2006, Nash won the MVP, and the Suns had the 4th best record.

[Brazil]

yes he is

:lmao presti

[RsxPiimp]

Who cares.. he embarrassed him. You should take some midol or something.

Wiggins>Harden in this game, is all Im saying
lol john mad :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Wiggins>Harden in this game, is all Im saying
lol john mad :lol

Scoreboard.

[sook]

Wiggins>Harden in this game, is all Im saying
lol john mad :lol

wtf you smoking brah. The rockets aren't playing a center and are fielding a shitty team on the defensive end without Dwight. Wiggins getting a block and finding his on a night like that...:lol

I think he'll be pretty good, but you clearly did not watch the game.

[Double-Up]

Wiggins>Harden in this game, is all Im saying
lol john mad :lol

Yea ok, my nigga Harden had a triple double and we won the game which is all that matters. But...

http://media.giphy.com/media/A6H1A9rhetsXK/giphy.gif

[GuerillaBlack]

Honestly, lets not get excited about that crossover. it was Ricky Rubio.


Bin Harden tried to pull the same shit on Wiggins :lmao


http://youtu.be/kJnarXYrFSs

And guess what sealed the game? A step back corner 3 that Harden made over Wiggins.

[djohn2oo8]

50 pts
10 Rbs

[djohn2oo8]

50 pts
10 Rbs

[DMC]

50 pts
10 Rbs

25 FTA

[djohn2oo8]

25 FTA

50 points on 27 shots. efficiency. But Westbrook is lauded around here for chucking nonstop.

[BatManu20]

Harden's my MVP. He's been consistently the "best player" all season, and is absolutely carrying that Rockets team into the Western Conference playoffs without Dwight. Curry's been great, but he's actually played a little worse since the All-Star game than before, while Klay has played better since. He'll probably still win it cause it usually goes to the best player on the best team, but Harden deserves it imo, even if he is averaging 10 FT's a game.

[Malik Hairston]

Damn, he's easily the MVP, tbh..hopefully he doesn't choke in the playoffs again, though..

[Clipper Nation]

50 points on 27 shots. efficiency. But Westbrook is lauded around here for chucking nonstop.

25 free throws. Refficiency.

[djohn2oo8]

25 free throws. Refficiency.

If your point was he should not rely on those kind of attempts then I agree. But if your point is those are not legit fouls when defenders hit across his arm, then i I don't with that argument.

[djohn2oo8]

Damn, he's easily the MVP, tbh..hopefully he doesn't choke in the playoffs again, though..

This.

[m>s]

Winning games with that shit ass squad he deserves it

[Clipper Nation]

Harden's 12 made field goals were second only to Kevin Martin (shocker!) for fewest in a 50-point game.

:lol "Efficiency"

[Mikeanaro]

LOL Efficiency!
That is not even Basketball :lmao

[K...]

Some of you guys complaining about free throws are the same guys harping on tony parkers advanced stats. Maybe I'm too stupid to understand advanced stats but isn't this one reason Parker has bad stats...didn't get to the line enough?

Some of y'all should just say one and two guards suck, since there is a habit of tearing each one down for various reasons. If spurstalk had it's way the nba would be ginosteps all length teams across the board.

To bad nature will continue to produce men around 6ft in greater numbers than 6'5'' and above. Damn you god for making short people and causing the nba to suck.

[K...]

basketball is iso's and 3pt shooting....4 down!

[Clipper Nation]

Some of you guys complaining about free throws are the same guys harping on tony parkers advanced stats. Maybe I'm too stupid to understand advanced stats but isn't this one reason Parker has bad stats...didn't get to the line enough?

Some of y'all should just say one and two guards suck, since there is a habit of tearing each one down for various reasons. If spurstalk had it's way the nba would be ginosteps all length teams across the board.

To bad nature will continue to produce men around 6ft in greater numbers than 6'5'' and above. Damn you god for making short people and causing the nba to suck.
:lol You're so attached to Enrique's dick that you're rushing in to defend his honor in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with him.

FWIW, the "ginosteps all length teams" would be a lot more watchable than Enrique or Choke Paul dribbling the air out of the ball and hoisting a brick, or Harden's nightly flop festivals.

[K...]

:lol You're so attached to Enrique's dick that you're rushing in to defend his honor in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with him.

FWIW, the "ginosteps all length teams" would be a lot more watchable than Enrique or Choke Paul dribbling the air out of the ball and hoisting a brick, or Harden's nightly flop festivals.

see glad we agree. You just hate players under 6'3'' nothing wrong with that. I'm not suggesting your real MO is the belief that taller guys have bigger dicks. You explained yourself, it's basketball reasons.

Everyone knows why Harden gets calls. He initiates contact, which is a legit skill. He is also a legit shooter and as a defense you can't really let him shoot open shots. You can trash Harden and love Curry, trash curry lv harden, but if you hate both maybe basketball isn't your thing?

[djohn2oo8]

Hou: J. Harden 44 Pts, 4 Reb, 7 Ast, 2 Stl, 2 Blk

[spurraider21]

Hou: J. Harden 44 Pts, 4 Reb, 7 Ast, 2 Stl, 2 Blk
how many free throws

[Raven]

talk about ugly bball

[djohn2oo8]

how many free throws

22. Carrying McHale is carrying McHale.

[hitmanyr2k]

It's amazing this guy averages 10 freakin free throws a game and over 1/3 of his shots are three pointers. This league has gone ultra-Charmin soft.

[spurraider21]

22
is it actually enjoyable to watch the rockets?

[djohn2oo8]

is it actually enjoyable to watch the rockets?

It's not enjoyable watching them get outrebounded every game and blow 20 point leads.

[Clipper Nation]

It's not enjoyable watching them get outrebounded every game and blow 20 point leads.

Or watching the biggest flopping faggot in history get bailed out to the tune of a million free throws per game.

[AlexJones]

My nigga Harden's a valuable player fosho but not most valuable!!!!

[djohn2oo8]

Or watching the biggest flopping faggot in history get bailed out to the tune of a million free throws per game.

You don't like it. That's fine, he is helping the team win despite key injuries. If the other team is in foul trouble, you attack the rim. You attack it to get them in foul trouble, it helps his team. But you should be the last one to talk about free throws with all the whining flopping vaginas on your squad.

":cry Flopping is okay only when the Clips do it. :cry"

[Splits]

Doesn't include tonight's "masterpiece"

http://i.imgur.com/Bkxf9J2.png

[Clipper Nation]

You don't like it. That's fine, he is helping the team win despite key injuries. If the other team is in foul trouble, you attack the rim. You attack it to get them in foul trouble, it helps his team. But you should be the last one to talk about free throws with all the whining flopping vaginas on your squad.

":cry Flopping is okay only when the Clips do it. :cry"
Flopping isn't okay when anyone does it. Harden just happens to be the worst offender this league has ever seen.

When actually good players attack the rim, they're trying to get relatively easy, efficient baskets, and the foul trouble on the opposing team is just a side benefit. Harden, on the other hand, drives to the rim to invent contact and get phantom free throws because he's too much of a pussy to play the game for real. He's the real-life version of cheesers on Madden.

[djohn2oo8]

Flopping isn't okay when anyone does it. Harden just happens to be the worst offender this league has ever seen.

When actually good players attack the rim, they're trying to get relatively easy, efficient baskets, and the foul trouble on the opposing team is just a side benefit. Harden, on the other hand, drives to the rim to invent contact and get phantom free throws because he's too much of a pussy to play the game for real. He's the real-life version of cheesers on Madden.

:lol good Players that attack the basket are trying to get And 1s a lot of the time. Alot of good players look to initiate contact when attacking the rim. Not everyone can do it. And you condoned the Clips flopping in the game against the Rockets. So you cant condone it one second and condemn it another.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol good Players that attack the basket are trying to get And 1s a lot of the time. Alot of good players look to initiate contact when attacking the rim. Not everyone can do it.

There's a difference between drawing contact and completely inventing it while chucking the ball in the air and getting bailed out.

Harden is a pussyPERIOD

[djohn2oo8]

There's a difference between drawing contact and completely inventing it while chucking the ball in the air and getting bailed out.

Harden is a pussyPERIOD

Yet you just said those players are only focused on getting easy efficient baskets. So you admit now they are also looking to draw contact?

[daslicer]

It's amazing this guy averages 10 freakin free throws a game and over 1/3 of his shots are three pointers. This league has gone ultra-Charmin soft.

He's my most hated player to watch. Watching him play is equivalent to watching golf or Nascar. I just hope the Spurs don't play him in round 1 because the games will last a few hour due to all of the bs fouls he's going to get.

[sook]

:lol

http://www.saltsistersonline.com/images/bigstock-sea-salt-34380128.jpg

[midnightpulp]

Without a doubt. Possibly the best individual (regular) season we've seen from an SG since Wade's '06 regular season.

[Jodelo]

22 FT's :lmao

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol even jordan never avg 10fta

[scanry]

Without a doubt. Possibly the best individual (regular) season we've seen from an SG since Wade's '06 regular season.

Kobe's 07-08 reg season was much better than Wade's.

[djohn2oo8]

lol even jordan never avg 10fta

:lol yes he did. He had a couple of 10 plus fta seasons, and then in the playoffs averaged 14, and 13 a few times.

[unleashbaynes]

Playoff Harden is just such a joy to watch

[hitmanyr2k]

:lol yes he did. He had a couple of 10 plus fta seasons, and then in the playoffs averaged 14, and 13 a few times.

The difference is Jordan had to be super-aggressive offensively to get double digit free throw attempts. The refs weren't nearly as friendly with the whistle back then. Harden takes an average of 18 shots a game. 7 of those 18 shots are three pointers and this dude is still gets to the line plenty.

In contrast Jordan barely shot any threes at all, attacked the rim mercilessly and had to put up 24-28 shots a game to average the amount of free throw attempts Harden is getting now :lol

[djohn2oo8]

The difference is Jordan had to be super-aggressive offensively to get double digit free throw attempts. The refs weren't nearly as friendly with the whistle back then. Harden takes an average of 18 shots a game. 7 of those 18 shots are three pointers and this dude is still gets to the line plenty.

In contrast Jordan barely shot any threes at all, attacked the rim mercilessly and had to put up 24-28 shots a game to average the amount of free throw attempts Harden is getting now :lol
And that's fine. The problem is people like to point out Harden would average less if you take away his free throws when that is true for any player. Can't blame Harden for the era he is playing in. I want to see him still compete hard when he isn't getting the calls.

[Jodelo]

I want to see him still compete hard when he isn't getting the calls.

I want to see him when he isn't getting the calls.

Still waiting...

[djohn2oo8]

I want to see him when he isn't getting the calls.

Still waiting...

Do you watch every game? Lol "still waiting."

[Jodelo]

Do you watch every game? Lol "still waiting."

Nope, Harden makes it impossible to watch Rockets games.

Three, iso, iso, FT, FT, three, iso, FT, FT...

[djohn2oo8]

Nope, Harden makes it impossible to watch Rockets games.

Three, iso, iso, FT, FT, three, iso, FT, FT...

That's Morey's fault more than it is McHale's. McHale is dumb and can't make adjustments or draw a play, so the entire offense is Iso, ISO, 3. Harden just happens to be good at it. If he wasn't, then McHale's coaching record would still be under .500

[djohn2oo8]

51 pts
8 rebounds
6 assists

Should win but Curry will. Still shouldn't have to depend on one guy every night because of dumbass McHale and Fat Elvis.

[Pelicans78]

Its close djohn. Harden has done more overall since he's played more minutes and a higher usage, but Curry has been more efficient and he's not that far behind in win shares despite playing over 200 less minutes than Harden. Curry has way more help too which is a big reason why the Warriors record is so much better. Really can't go wrong either way. Harden probably deserves MVP while Curry has been the best player in the league.

[Clipper Nation]

I want to see him when he isn't getting the calls.

Still waiting...

Playoffs are coming up soon, tbh.

[Pelicans78]

51 pts
8 rebounds
6 assists

Should win but Curry will. Still shouldn't have to depend on one guy every night because of dumbass McHale and Fat Elvis.

He's been unreal carrying this team to a high seed in the West. Really little help whatsoever. Definitely a MVP performer this season.

[TDMVPDPOY]

harden or curry for mvp is a fkn joke when both will be gone 2nd round

[BatManu20]

Harden should win it. Dragging that Houston team into the Western Conference playoffs at the #3 seed and possibly even the #2 seed in the loaded West and without Dwight most of the season is nothing short of remarkable, tbh..

Curry's been great all year, but he's had a lot more help, and his number's have actual gone down a little bit since the All-Star break. Think he still wins it, though.

[BatManu20]

Harden is a pussyPERIOD

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBjba77VEAIjOvW.jpg:large

[Clipper Nation]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBjba77VEAIjOvW.jpg:large

^ That's how Harden will be spending his time while real players are busy playing past the first round of the playoffs.

[djohn2oo8]

Its close djohn. Harden has done more overall since he's played more minutes and a higher usage, but Curry has been more efficient and he's not that far behind in win shares despite playing over 200 less minutes than Harden. Curry has way more help too which is a big reason why the Warriors record is so much better. Really can't go wrong either way. Harden probably deserves MVP while Curry has been the best player in the league.


He's been unreal carrying this team to a high seed in the West. Really little help whatsoever. Definitely a MVP performer this season.


Harden should win it. Dragging that Houston team into the Western Conference playoffs at the #3 seed and possibly even the #2 seed in the loaded West and without Dwight most of the season is nothing short of remarkable, tbh..

Curry's been great all year, but he's had a lot more help, and his number's have actual gone down a little bit since the All-Star break. Think he still wins it, though.

Yeah for sure. At this point it's going to be tough to finish top 4. Spurs or Clippers will catch them, possibly both with the schedule the Rockets have.

[Cry Havoc]

As someone who doesn't like Harden that much, the dude has brought it on both ends this year. He would get my MVP vote. :tu

[sook]

ESPN: "Curry is the MVP, he broke CP3's ankles!...

Harden and Westbrook shouldn't be rewarded for their teammates getting injured.." ..:lol

[resistanze]

Harden and Westbrook shouldn't be rewarded for their teammates getting injured.." ..:lol

Yet that was the hype train that got Nash the MVP in 2006.

[Killakobe81]

Cowherd had Legler on his show this morn. Didnt hear the whole broadcast but Colin says Harden is great scorer not a great player. Leggs says he should finish in top 2 of MVP voting ...but he kinda agreed with Colin and said he needs to raise his level on defense. Noted that he has improved his effort but compared to James who has done that in the past ... he needs to step-up on that end shoot less so he can give more focus on defense.

BTW Legler fucking sucks ...and Colin is a big market dick ryder ... but Harden is overrated on defense this year. he tries has been much better but he was atrocious before ...

[Double-Up]

Cowherd had Legler on his show this morn. Didnt hear the whole broadcast but Colin says Harden is great scorer not a great player. Leggs says he should finish in top 2 of MVP voting ...but he kinda agreed with Colin and said he needs to raise his level on defense. Noted that he has improved his effort but compared to James who has done that in the past ... he needs to step-up on that end shoot less so he can give more focus on defense.

BTW Legler fucking sucks ...and Colin is a big market dick ryder ... but Harden is overrated on defense this year. he tries has been much better but he was atrocious before ...

Do you even watch the games? Harden has stepped up immensely on defense this year...just look at the stats.

[sook]

Cowherd had Legler on his show this morn. Didnt hear the whole broadcast but Colin says Harden is great scorer not a great player. Leggs says he should finish in top 2 of MVP voting ...but he kinda agreed with Colin and said he needs to raise his level on defense. Noted that he has improved his effort but compared to James who has done that in the past ... he needs to step-up on that end shoot less so he can give more focus on defense.

BTW Legler fucking sucks ...and Colin is a big market dick ryder ... but Harden is overrated on defense this year. he tries has been much better but he was atrocious before ...

Dude Harden has been very good on the defensive end ....take it from someone that absolutely defecated on him for it last season . He had maybe 7-8 bad defensive games but playing night in and out with injuries (he takes a lot of contact for those FTs) and leading the league in scoring and the rockets to 2nd seed...? He's not going to be early Lebron on the defensive end, thats just not realistic, and I mean even look at Kobe who was probably the most overrated defender of all time. Consistently made all defensive teams over Battier.

[sook]

Yet that was the hype train that got Nash the MVP in 2006.

Durant had an unreal season last year, don't think it would have mattered but the fact he did it without WB for the majority of the time was big too.

[sook]

oh and :lol at the absentee FT bitching

[Killakobe81]

Do you even watch the games? Harden has stepped up immensely on defense this year...just look at the stats.

I already gave him credit for that. if you check my history I gave him credit for that starting with TEAM USA ... Doesnt change the fact the stats and the media are overrating him on that end this year. he has been much better but people acting as though he is some kind of strong defender or lock down guy is taking it to far. I agree that the weight he is carrying on offense makes it virtual impossible to be a lockdown guy. Dont see why you got to get all bent out of shape about it.

Allthe guys you mentioned Lebron, Kobe and even Battier were all elite defenders but criminally overrated on that end at some point of their careers even BEFORE they became TOSB. Harden has never been as good as those guys were on defense. Not even this year.

IF Rox finish top 3 in West I think he should get it. I was just relaying what Cowherd and Legler were saying. Only thing I agreed with he is now being overrated on defense. I have defended Harden all year when Spur/Mav fan have bitched about his flopping.

[DMC]

MVP isn't predicated on stats. It's predicated on the difference a player makes to a team in the W/L column.

In that regard, Lebron James is the MVP and it's not even close. He won't get it because of the Jordan rule, but he's it.

[DMC]

I already gave him credit for that. if you check my history I gave him credit for that starting with TEAM USA ... Doesnt change the fact the stats and the media are overrating him on that end this year. he has been much better but people acting as though he is some kind of strong defender or lock down guy is taking it to far. I agree that the weight he is carrying on offense makes it virtual impossible to be a lockdown guy. Dont see why you got to get all bent out of shape about it.

Allthe guys you mentioned Lebron, Kobe and even Battier were all elite defenders but criminally overrated on that end at some point of their careers even BEFORE they became TOSB. Harden has never been as good as those guys were on defense. Not even this year.

IF Rox finish top 3 in West I think he should get it. I was just relaying what Cowherd and Legler were saying. Only thing I agreed with he is now being overrated on defense. I have defended Harden all year when Spur/Mav fan have bitched about his flopping.
When was Lebron criminally overrated on defense, when did he become a TOSB? I like how you lumped in Lebron with Kobe's tired old non defending ass as if they are one and the same. You need to check that shit else that hatchet comes back out.

[Killakobe81]

When was Lebron criminally overrated on defense, when did he become a TOSB? I like how you lumped in Lebron with Kobe's tired old non defending ass as if they are one and the same. You need to check that shit else that hatchet comes back out.

I aint scared of you, DMC.

Lebron has been overrated on defense for at least three years. And no Lebron wasnt or isnt a TOSB but I didnt feel like separating him since he has been overrated on defense by some. Saying someone was overrated doesnt mean they were overrated to the same degree. I agree Kobe was more overrated than any of the guys I mentioned but it doesnt change the fact that Lebron has been as well. Defense is something I focused on as a player and as a coach so I tend to be very critical of it you dont agree with my assessment and feel Lebron has no flaws and want to suck him off like CN, be my guest.

As for the MVP Lebron is the best player and it STILL is not close only a healthy ADavis (which doesnt exist) is close. I think the MJ rule is stupid. It's why I dont value the award and think it's for shit and I am not even a huge Jordan fan I just think what is fair is fair. But Lebron took a rest this season so I have no issue if they gave it to Curry or Harden and tbh Lebron has plenty of help much like Curry ... so if it is best player on best team it's Curry. IF it's a player that had to carry the most it's harden over russ.
And if it's just the best player in the game Lebron should win but it hasnt been just about that in most years ...

Oh and you can take that hatchet and shove it up yo ass ...

[DMC]

I aint scared of you, DMC.

Lebron has been overrated on defense for at least three years. And no Lebron wasnt or isnt a TOSB but I didnt feel like separating him since he has been overrated on defense by some. Saying someone was overrated doesnt mean they were overrated to the same degree. I agree Kobe was more overrated than any of the guys I mentioned but it doesnt change the fact that Lebron has been as well. Defense is something I focused on as a player and as a coach so I tend to be very critical of it you dont agree with my assessment and feel Lebron has no flaws and want to suck him off like CN, be my guess.

As for the MVP Lebron is the best player and it STILL is not close only a healthy ADavis (which doesnt exist) is close. I think the MJ rule is stupid. It's why I dont value the award and think it's for shit and I am not even a huge Jordan fan I just think what is fair is fair. But Lebron took a rest this season so I have no issue if they gave it to Curry or Harden and tbh Lebron has plenty of help much like Curry ... so if it is best player on best team it's Curry. IF it's a player that had to carry the most it's harden over russ.
And if it's just the best player in the game Lebron should win but it hasnt been just about that in most years ...

Oh and you can take that hatchet and shove it up yo ass ...

You're so salty that Kobe is done, that your team is done and the tank is for naught, you're trying to salvage any thread of dignity you can muster by lumping in the greatest player in the game with the worst cancer the league has seen since Marbury. I won't let you get away with it though.


:lol Calling Lebron a TOSB after his 4th consecutive Finals
:lol Equating Kobe and Battier to Lebron to make yourself feel better
:lol Using the "too lazy to separate them" excuse as if your paragraph existed prior to typing it
:lol Lebron took a rest: Cavs still 2nd in the East after missing the playoffs last season
:lol "has been overrated on defense by some".... anonymous proof
:lol Comparing Lebron to "a healthy Anthony Davis" who's missed the playoffs every year in the league
:lol "plenty of help" Kevin Love/Kryie Irving... neither have ever sniffed a playoff game
:lol Lebron a TOSB but is the "best player in the game"

:lol:lol:lol:lol Salty:p:

[RsxPiimp]

:p:

Who the heck hacked DMC's account

[Pelicans78]

Davis deserves more consideration than Westbrook.

[DMC]

Who the heck hacked DMC's account

I'm actually a nice guy once you blow me.

[Killakobe81]

You're so salty that Kobe is done, that your team is done and the tank is for naught, you're trying to salvage any thread of dignity you can muster by lumping in the greatest player in the game with the worst cancer the league has seen since Marbury. I won't let you get away with it though.


:lol Calling Lebron a TOSB after his 4th consecutive Finals
:lol Equating Kobe and Battier to Lebron to make yourself feel better
:lol Using the "too lazy to separate them" excuse as if your paragraph existed prior to typing it
:lol Lebron took a rest: Cavs still 2nd in the East after missing the playoffs last season
:lol "has been overrated on defense by some".... anonymous proof
:lol Comparing Lebron to "a healthy Anthony Davis" who's missed the playoffs every year in the league
:lol "plenty of help" Kevin Love/Kryie Irving... neither have ever sniffed a playoff game
:lol Lebron a TOSB but is the "best player in the game"

:lol:lol:lol:lol Salty:p:

Again LeBron is not a tosb best player in the game. Take that hatchet to the Curry thread or the CP3 is the greatest closer thread ...
lol still misquotes me even after clarification ...
I'm the one salty what a shitty reply they really fucked you up in those aforementioned threads, huh?

[Killakobe81]

Davis deserves more consideration than Westbrook.

Davis was a beast when healthy he only dude that was truly close to LeBron no offense to Harden or Curry this year ...

[~O~]

There's less than 10 games left in the season. By far, Harden.

[Malik Hairston]

Should be:

1- Harden(easily)
2- Curry
3- Paul
4- Lebron
5- Davis?

However, I'd be shocked if Curry doesn't win, tbh..

- Best player on a team having one of the 5-7 best regular seasons in NBA history
- Plays for the most liked team in the NBA by the media and fans; Houston is disliked by most fans and media(partly due to Morey IMO)
- Arguably the most exciting player in the league; Harden's game is hideous for a player of his caliber
- Looks like a little boy..light-skinned, very appealing to White people; Harden has a menacing beard, makes it rain off the court, celebrates on the court with the cooking baking soda, etc

[Clipper Nation]

It looked as if DMC was washed-up last month, but he's right back in prime form shitting on Kirby stans :tu

[Killakobe81]

It looked as if DMC was washed-up last month, but he's right back in prime form shitting on Kirby stans :tu

Os

Lol CN and DMC what a fucking dynamic duo one deep throats the best player in the game while the other tosses his salad ...but apparently that kinda shit happened when DMC was still hoopin'

Kidding we all agree that LeBron is the best player and MVP but it's just you bitches focus on Kobe too much. If it makes you feel better remove him from my post I still stand behind it.and I ain't citing shit this ain't no fucking college paper I get no awards or anything for winning a debate with you if it helps either of you cucks feel better ...you won.

[313]

- Looks like a little boy..light-skinned, very appealing to White people; Harden has a menacing beard, makes it rain off the court, celebrates on the court with the cooking baking soda, etc

:lmao

I don't watch espn much anymore, are they pretty much saying the MVP is Currys?

[K...]

I'd think Kerr gets coach of the year and that'll depress currys chances. Also, harden is fighting for a seed playing entire games. Curry will rest. But yeah, who knows it's pretty arbitrary at this point

[spurraider21]

I'm actually a nice guy once you blow me.
no surprise CN has taken a liking to you

[Clipper Nation]

no surprise CN has taken a liking to you

You seem to talk a lot about SpursTalk posters blowing each other. Pretty fucked-up fetish, tbh.

[spurraider21]

You seem to talk a lot about SpursTalk posters blowing each other. Pretty fucked-up fetish, tbh.
i call it as a see it. sadly, i see a lot of it

[RsxPiimp]

I'm actually a nice guy once you blow me.

I see your father trained you well.

[Pelicans78]

Davis was a beast when healthy he only dude that was truly close to LeBron no offense to Harden or Curry this year ...

To be fair, Lebron hasn't been that great this season. He really shouldn't be considered as a MVP candidate when guys like Harden and Curry have done more for their team compared to what Lebron has done.

[Killakobe81]

To be fair, Lebron hasn't been that great this season. He really shouldn't be considered as a MVP candidate when guys like Harden and Curry have done more for their team compared to what Lebron has done.

I was talking best player not MVP Curry and Harden are the favorites for that shitty award

[Pelicans78]

I was talking best player not MVP Curry and Harden are the favorites for that shitty award

But they should be the favorites. They've done more for their team than Lebron and both have been better this season.

[Killakobe81]

But they should be the favorites. They've done more for their team than Lebron and both have been better this season.

I agree with you ... but just saying Lebron is the greater player ...still. I think if you look at the whole year Harden and Curry have done more ...but when Lebron has been at his best he is still the best.

[djohn2oo8]

I agree with you ... but just saying Lebron is the greater player ...still. I think if you look at the whole year Harden and Curry have done more ...but when Lebron has been at his best he is still the best.

Agree with this. What's funny about this thread is how some people in this thread like DMC can joke about LeBron not having enough help, when LeBron put on his GM hat and shipped Wiggins, a future all star off for Love.

[Venti Quattro]

Agree with this. What's funny about this thread is how some people in this thread like DMC can joke about LeBron not having enough help, when LeBron put on his GM hat and shipped Wiggins, a future all star off for Love.

Funny how benching Love catapulted the Cavs to where they are now. 3 months ago they were 19-20 and dead in the water.

I think LeBron the GM misjudged that because nowadays he and Love basically play the same position

Now they are 49-27 and look like a lock in the NBA Finals. :lol Atlanta

[Killakobe81]

Agree with this. What's funny about this thread is how some people in this thread like DMC can joke about LeBron not having enough help, when LeBron put on his GM hat and shipped Wiggins, a future all star off for Love.

Not enough help? Laughable that's a CN made up myth. But if they fail it's on him as a GM ....he chose ALL of his current squad half by signing there the other half by trade.
ATL wont beat Lebron Only spurs and Gstate have a shot to beat Lebron.

[Venti Quattro]

Not enough help? Laughable that's a CN made up myth.

Clipper Asian makes up a lot of stuff, totally not surprised...

[tlongII]

It should be Curry. He's the best player on the best team (by far) this season.

[sook]

It should be Curry. He's the best player on the best team (by far) this season.

hey guess what.

shut the fuck up

[Bynumite]

Harden is the MVP and the award will make his inevitable playoff choke job a lot more sweet this season.

[Bulaien999]

Hope Harden gets snubbed and has huge chip on his shoulder and carries a fire into the playoffs ala Hakeem

[djohn2oo8]

Hope Harden gets snubbed and has huge chip on his shoulder and carries a fire into the playoffs ala Hakeem

Or he can win and show up anyway.

[Double-Up]

After choking the past two playoff series Harden better come out with that fire no matter what.

[RsxPiimp]

hey guess what.

shut the fuck up

:lol

[DMC]

Agree with this. What's funny about this thread is how some people in this thread like DMC can joke about LeBron not having enough help, when LeBron put on his GM hat and shipped Wiggins, a future all star off for Love.

What's funny is you thinking a player has that kind of power. If Kobe can't prevent Pringles from becoming the coach of the Lakers, and Steve Nash from bilking them out of millions while he mountain climbs in Peru, Lebron can't trade a 1st overall pick.

If the Cavs have so much help, why haven't they seen a playoff game since Lebron left?

[djohn2oo8]

What's funny is you thinking a player has that kind of power. If Kobe can't prevent Pringles from becoming the coach of the Lakers, and Steve Nash from bilking them out of millions while he mountain climbs in Peru, Lebron can't trade a 1st overall pick.

If the Cavs have so much help, why haven't they seen a playoff game since Lebron left?
What? Kobe in his younger days had plenty of power, when he went to management and told them to pick him or Shaq. Kobe requested to be traded twice which in turn the Lakers traded for Gasol, that's power. Basically when Fredo wasn't running the show he had power. LeBron calls the plays for Blatt, that's power. You seriously don't think LeBron didn't tell Cleveland that having a deal lined up for Love was a prerequisite for him coming home? :lol

Hell, Pat Riley drafted Shabazz Napier in an effort to keep LeBron from leaving because LeBron mentioned he liked his game :rollin

[DMC]

What? Kobe in his younger days had plenty of power, when he went to management and told them to pick him or Shaq. Kobe requested to be traded twice which in turn the Lakers traded for Gasol, that's power. Basically when Fredo wasn't running the show he had power. LeBron calls the plays for Blatt, that's power. You seriously don't think LeBron didn't tell Cleveland that having a deal lined up for Love was a prerequisite for him coming home? :lol

Hell, Pat Riley drafted Shabazz Napier in an effort to keep LeBron from leaving because LeBron mentioned he liked his game :rollin
You're assuming a lot. It's one thing for Lebron to have influence, but saying he put his GM hat on is hyperbole.

See, I just defeated your claim without a single faggoty smiley face.

[djohn2oo8]

You're assuming a lot. It's one thing for Lebron to have influence, but saying he put his GM hat on is hyperbole.

See, I just defeated your claim without a single faggoty smiley face.
Not assuming. It is a fact the Cavs were not willing to deal Wiggins until LeBron committed. You said players don't have that kind of power. Yes they do.

[DMC]

Not assuming. It is a fact the Cavs were not willing to deal Wiggins until LeBron committed.
Then you don't know the definition of "assuming". You're saying Lebron made the decision then saying it was made because of Lebron, two completely different things.

You also don't know anything about cause vs correlation. They traded Wiggins because Lebron only signed a 2 year deal. Wiggins as a rookie wasn't going to make an immediate impact, but Kevin Love's stat padding would make it look like Gilbert was giving it the old college try. I believe Lebron will be gone after this 2 year deal, to a bigger market, maybe LA if Kobe goes into remission.

[djohn2oo8]

Then you don't know the definition of "assuming". You're saying Lebron made the decision then saying it was made because of Lebron, two completely different things.

You also don't know anything about cause vs correlation. They traded Wiggins because Lebron only signed a 2 year deal. Wiggins as a rookie wasn't going to make an immediate impact, but Kevin Love's stat padding would make it look like Gilbert was giving it the old college try. I believe Lebron will be gone after this 2 year deal, to a bigger market, maybe LA if Kobe goes into remission.
They were not going to trade Wiggins for Love until LeBron told them to get it done. The decision was essentially made by him, so yes he put his GM hat on. Christ. No, sorry. The trade wasn't going to get done until LeBron gave his blessing. Many people knew the trade was not worth it for Love.

[DMC]

They were not going to trade Wiggins for Love until LeBron told them to get it done. The decision was essentially made by him, so yes he put his GM hat on. Christ. No, sorry. The trade wasn't going to get done until LeBron gave his blessing. Many people knew the trade was not worth it for Love.
Lebron didn't make the trade. He might have asked for it, but he's not the GM and didn't make the decision. It's like saying Kobe put his GM hat on and resigned himself to a 2 year, 50m dollar deal.

So many of you blame/credit these players for front office decisions. If you threaten to quit and your boss gives you a raise to keep you, you didn't put on your boss hat. You upped the ante, that's all.

[djohn2oo8]

Lebron didn't make the trade. He might have asked for it, but he's not the GM and didn't make the decision. It's like saying Kobe put his GM hat on and resigned himself to a 2 year, 50m dollar deal.

So many of you blame/credit these players for front office decisions. If you threaten to quit and your boss gives you a raise to keep you, you didn't put on your boss hat. You upped the ante, that's all.

LeBron's influence/decision/whatever, is why a certain Rookie of the Year/Future All Star is not on his team having more of a positive effect than Love. LeBron wanted Love there, who just happens to be on the bench in the 4th quarters. So you can't put the blame entirely on the front office. And these front office decisions are not always entirely on the front office. Not only are star players powerful, there agents are equally or more powerful. They put pressure on front offices, sometimes including threats, etc.

[djohn2oo8]

On another note, seems like Curry is legitimately mad at Mark Jackson for picking Harden.

[Bulaien999]

Or he can win and show up anyway.

If he wins it he will feel like something got accomplished, in my scenario it will keep him striving to make a statement.

[midnightpulp]

Yep.

And I called him first. Me.

[DMC]

LeBron's influence/decision/whatever, is why a certain Rookie of the Year/Future All Star is not on his team having more of a positive effect than Love. LeBron wanted Love there, who just happens to be on the bench in the 4th quarters. So you can't put the blame entirely on the front office. And these front office decisions are not always entirely on the front office. Not only are star players powerful, there agents are equally or more powerful. They put pressure on front offices, sometimes including threats, etc.

Do you think peer pressure is the blame for teens doing stupid shit? Do you understand the difference between influence and decision?

[Pelicans78]

Lebron's has had as much help as anyone this season. Anyone who argues otherwise is just flat out lying.

[djohn2oo8]

Do you think peer pressure is the blame for teens doing stupid shit? Do you understand the difference between influence and decision?

Wow. Comparing teen peer pressure to a billion dollar industry full of power and agendas Lol. Just stop.

[313]

Harden is the MVP and the award will make his inevitable playoff choke job a lot more sweet this season.

[GuerillaBlack]

It should be Curry. He's the best player on the best team (by far) this season.

I like how NBA players (Wade, Brow, Lillard, David West, Parsons, Boogie, etc.), have all said that Harden is the MVP. That main reason they have said that is the most obvious...he has done with without Dwight and the Rockets have been in the top 3 in the west mostly all season. Rockets starters have missed 100 games this season, while the Warriors starters have missed 11.

If Rockets finish the 2 seed, Harden is a lock for MVP imo. If they end up the 3rd, then it is a toss up. The fact that it is this close with the Warriors having a much better record should be reason enough to give the MVP to Harden.


Hope Harden gets snubbed and has huge chip on his shoulder and carries a fire into the playoffs ala Hakeem

Or he can win regular season MVP and still ball in the playoffs like Hakeem did with the first championship.

[tlongII]

I like how NBA players (Wade, Brow, Lillard, David West, Parsons, Boogie, etc.), have all said that Harden is the MVP. That main reason they have said that is the most obvious...he has done with without Dwight and the Rockets have been in the top 3 in the west mostly all season. Rockets starters have missed 100 games this season, while the Warriors starters have missed 11.

If Rockets finish the 2 seed, Harden is a lock for MVP imo. If they end up the 3rd, then it is a toss up. The fact that it is this close with the Warriors having a much better record should be reason enough to give the MVP to Harden.



Or he can win regular season MVP and still ball in the playoffs like Hakeem did with the first championship.

The Warriors have a fucking 10.5 game lead on the Rockets. Curry is clearly the MVP.

[DMC]

The Warriors have a fucking 10.5 game lead on the Rockets. Curry is clearly the MVP.

Portland fan not understanding cause vs correlation.

Could Curry be the reason? Sure. Does the lead matter? No. The only thing that matters is how much different the team is with you vs without you. We don't know with Steph, and the Warriors didn't have an injury to another big name where Curry had to carry the team. Voters seem to like that aspect, it makes it easier to see the contrast. Harden has had Howard out for a long time, and yet Houston is 2nd seeded. He'll likely win. If Curry wins instead, it's just as good, but they often look for that moment of carrying the team through turmoil.

I'd not be surprised if Lebron James won it. Look at what the Cavs have done.

[BatManu20]

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[sook]

With the 10 curry commercials in a row during AS weekend, this thing was already written down.

Win/win tbh, James goes into the post season with a chip on his shoulder.

[djohn2oo8]

With the 10 curry commercials in a row during AS weekend, this thing was already written down.

Win/win tbh, James goes into the post season with a chip on his shoulder.

He needs to play well regardless if he wins or not. However if Rox keep the 2nd seed he has a good chance.

[sook]

He needs to play well regardless if he wins or not. However if Rox keep the 2nd seed he has a good chance.

The 2nd seed without like half the team for most the season...jesus I would have called anyone who said that earlier this year a fucking moron. I don't really think its even close even though I'm biased.

[Double-Up]

The 2nd seed without like half the team for most the season...jesus I would have called anyone who said that earlier this year a fucking moron. I don't really think its even close even though I'm biased.

When is donuts coming back?

[sook]

When is donuts coming back?

No idea dude, but I think he should be back for the post season.

[djohn2oo8]

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[lefty]

:lmao

:cry Semens stop pls

:cry or I'll tell my mom

[Mitch]

I wonder if Durant calls his teammates "sir".

[Pelicans78]

Durant continuing to be his bitter pussy salty self.

[Pelicans78]

Fact is, Harden is proven to be much better than Westbrook. It's not like Harden has had much help around him this season and he has his team contending for the second seed in the West while Westbrook continues to shoot his team out of a playoff spot. Plus, Westbrook can't use the FT excuse since he flops his way to a bunch of FTs as well. Not only do I want to see the Thunder miss the playoffs because I'm a Pelicans fan, but also I don't wanna have to deal with Westbrook or that stupid fanbase while watching the playoffs.

[Nathan89]

Kawhi probably won't be able to bully Harden like he did Curry tbh. Curry looks so good because he has three shooters on the court with him all game.

[313]

:lmao

:cry Semens stop pls

:cry or I'll tell my mom

[313]

Fact is, Harden is proven to be much better than Westbrook. It's not like Harden has had much help around him this season and he has his team contending for the second seed in the West while Westbrook continues to shoot his team out of a playoff spot. Plus, Westbrook can't use the FT excuse since he flops his way to a bunch of FTs as well. Not only do I want to see the Thunder miss the playoffs because I'm a Pelicans fan, but also I don't wanna have to deal with Westbrook or that stupid fanbase while watching the playoffs.

If they dealt WB and kept Harden they would be a problem right now.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i give this clown the mvp sole purpose to piss off wb....

durant and harden gettin mvp b4 him, will definitely build up his alter ego to pad stats next season like he is currently doing now with the lame ass triple doubles..

sorry but no 8th seed wanker is going to get a mvp, just like how kobe never got one when he was avg +36ppg with a 7-8th seend 9 seasons ago...

[spurraider21]

:lmao

:cry Semens stop pls

:cry or I'll tell my mom
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