***The Official 2015 NFL Draft Thread***

[Holden_Caulfield]

alright niggas, the jags pick 3rd, the bucs and titans should go qb so leonard williams pls




Pick
Team
Record
Strength of Schedule


1
TB
2 - 14
119 - 125 - 3
0.4879


2
TEN
2 - 14
128 - 125 - 1
0.5059


3
JAX
3 - 13
130 - 123 - 1
0.5138


4
OAK
3 - 12
142 - 108
0.568


5
WAS
4 - 12
125 - 127
0.496


6
NYJ
4 - 12
136 - 115
0.5418


7
CHI
5 - 11
131 - 117 - 1
0.5281


8
NYG
6 - 10
129 - 121
0.516


9
ATL
6 - 9
118 - 128 - 3
0.4799


10
STL
6 - 9
131 - 117
0.5282


11
MIN
7 - 9
118 - 130 - 1
0.4759


12
CLE
7 - 9
118 - 128 - 3
0.4799


13
NO
7 - 9
118 - 126 - 3
0.4838


14
SF
7 - 8
132 - 116
0.5323


15
MIA
8 - 8
129 - 123
0.5119


16
HOU
9 - 7
113 - 139 - 1
0.4486


17
KC
9 - 7
126 - 121
0.5101


18
SD
9 - 7
127 - 121
0.5121


19
CLE via BUF
9 - 7
130 - 122
0.5159


20
PHI
10 - 6
121 - 128 - 1
0.486


21
BAL
10 - 6
117 - 130 - 3
0.474


22
ARI
11 - 4
129 - 117
0.5244


23
PIT
10 - 5
113 - 136 - 3
0.4544


24
GB
11 - 4
121 - 129 - 1
0.4841


25
CAR
6 - 8 - 1
122 - 126 - 1
0.492


26
IND
11 - 5
120 - 132 - 1
0.4763


27
CIN
10 - 4 - 1
123 - 127 - 1
0.492


28
DET
11 - 4
117 - 133 - 1
0.4681


29
SEA
11 - 4
129 - 116 - 1
0.5264


30
DEN
11 - 4
131 - 117 - 1
0.5281


31
DAL
12 - 4
112 - 140
0.4444


32
NE
12 - 4
129 - 121 - 1
0.5159

[spurraider21]

Most preliminary mocks have mariota and Winston going 1-2...

I've seen a ton of mocks with the jags taking an edge rusher like Gregor. Plus Williams always retweets about the Raiders drafting him :lol

[Holden_Caulfield]

Most preliminary mocks have mariota and Winston going 1-2...

I've seen a ton of mocks with the jags taking an edge rusher like Gregor. Plus Williams always retweets about the Raiders drafting him :lol
i doubt the jags pass on another defensive stud two years in a row, but our FO eyed bortles as their qb two years ago so anything is possible :wakeup

[Holden_Caulfield]

the jags and titans are coaching the senior bowl, the bucs declined lol wtf

[spurraider21]

the jags and titans are coaching the senior bowl, the bucs declined lol wtf
last year Dennis Allen was there and he said that's where they really fell in love with Carr

[Raven]

for some reason, early in the draft mocks are always overrating qbs. I bet there is no way winston gets drafted in the first round.

[spurraider21]

for some reason, early in the draft mocks are always overrating qbs. I bet there is no way winston gets drafted in the first round.
Yeah titans are downplaying their qb need. Jets could be desperate though

About 80% of recent mocks have us going with Cooper. Seems like an easy pick. Value and need both there, assuming Leonard Williams is gone

[Avante]

No way I'm drafting Winston.

[Blizzardwizard]

Chargerr should trade up for Mariota tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

Anything other than an O-lineman in the first round would be a complete joke for the Chargers, so naturally, they will probably trade up to draft a running back.

[benefactor]

Houston needs to quit dicking around with the Keshawn Martin's and Devier Posey's and draft another real WR. Jaelen Strong would look nice lined up out there with Hopkins. Wouldn't mind them going ILB too as Cushing is looking like the knee injuries have just taken too much of a toll on him. Perryman would be a sneaky good pick at 16.

[LkrFan]

Anything other than an O-lineman in the first round would be a complete joke for the Chargers, so naturally, they will probably trade up to draft a running back.

Who the Chargers drafting in the lottery scr:lol?

[LkrFan]

Houston needs to quit dicking around with the Keshawn Martin's and Devier Posey's and draft another real WR. Jaelen Strong would look nice lined up out there with Hopkins. Wouldn't mind them going ILB too as Cushing is looking like the knee injuries have just taken too much of a toll on him. Perryman would be a sneaky good pick at 16.

Texans need a QB

[benefactor]

Texans need a QB
Not in the first round they don't.

[LkrFan]

Not in the first round they don't.Dude if Mariota or Winston are available and y'all pass :lmao in a passing league, you need a QB to win.

[benefactor]

Dude if Mariota or Winston are available and y'all pass :lmao in a passing league, you need a QB to win.
Mariota will be long gone by 16. Fuck Crab Legs Winston.

[LkrFan]

Mariota will be long gone by 16. Fuck Crab Legs Winston.

Ya'll should trade Clowney and your 2015 #1 - that should do it. :lmao

[Killakobe81]

What is that order based on? How would we draft behind Seattle/GB yet they have higher seeds or is that based on how we finish year? Not aure how playoffs team draft order is set? does anyone know?

[Clipper Nation]

Who the Chargers drafting in the lottery scr:lol?
Our pick stays in California, unlike the Lakers'. :downspin:

[Raven]

What is that order based on? How would we draft behind Seattle/GB yet they have higher seeds or is that based on how we finish year? Not aure how playoffs team draft order is set? does anyone know?

the longer the team stay in contention, the later the draft pick

[spurraider21]

Leonard Williams "I would love to play for Oakland" (http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2014/12/31/7475749/raiders-draft-2015-usc-dt-leonard-williams-i-would-love-to-play-for)

Holden Caulfield (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=9834)

[Silver&Black]

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[Silver&Black]

Chinook

We on the clock....any chance we don't draft Mariota?

Could we possibly trade the #1 pick and try to get a king's ransom. Maybe call the Redskins and try to make another RG3 type deal?

Your thoughts? I mean we've got all kind of holes in both the offensive and defensive lines.

[Kawhi]

Hope we draft Shaq Thompson

[Chinook]

Chinook

We on the clock....any chance we don't draft Mariota?

Could we possibly trade the #1 pick and try to get a king's ransom. Maybe call the Redskins and try to make another RG3 type deal?

Your thoughts? I mean we've got all kind of holes in both the offensive and defensive lines.

Yeah, they should go QB. They need a legit RE in the worst way as well, but that's probayblh not going to happen. How are the LT prospects in this draft? That line is so broken now that it may take precedence over a QB. Hopefully, that geta fixed in free agency, though.

[Silver&Black]

Yeah, they should go QB. They need a legit RE in the worst way as well, but that's probayblh not going to happen. How are the LT prospects in this draft? That line is so broken now that it may take precedence over a QB. Hopefully, that geta fixed in free agency, though.

Yeah I'm with you....QB is the need. And I can't see them passing up Mariota.

Most websites have the Stanford, Iowa, and Texas A&M Left Tackles as the top LTs entering the draft. But you know that's gonna change. We'll have a much clearer picture after the combine in Indy.

[spurraider21]

yeah Peat and Scherff are the two top prospects at LT. that oghuebi dude saw his stock fall

[Silver&Black]

yeah Peat and Scherff are the two top prospects at LT. that oghuebi dude saw his stock fall

You checked out the Peat kid at Stanford? Any potential?

[Ditty]

Williams, Cooper, and Mariota look like the three best players in this years draft imo.

Mariota isn't getting past the Titans; Williams isn't getting past the Raiders; Cooper isn't getting past the Jets.

Redskins fans want us to trade back as far as the 12th pick, and get another second/third round pick as a lot of them aren't too fond on Gregory, Ray and especially Collins from Alabama in the NFL, but they have a huge boner for guys like Scherff, Collins,Erving and Shaq Thompson but they would be taken too high at the fifth pick.

I remember back in 2010 how bad I wanted too get Eric Berry (hope he gets better), as he was supposed to be the next Sean Taylor. Even if our line was shit when our best three linemen Chris Samuels, Jon Jansen and Randy Thomas ended up taking off from Washington at the same time. I was so pissed when we took Trent Williams instead of Berry, or Russell Okung who was supposedly better than Williams. Didn't turn out too bad for all three teams as Okung is a pretty good left tackle himself, but ain't possibly the best left tackle in the league like Williams.

As for me I would call the Jaguars, and ask them what they want for the third pick if Williams ins't picked up by the Bucs or Titans. If it ain't more than the 5th pick and a second or third round pick then do it because Leonard Williams would solve a lot of issues on the defensive line which I think is our biggest need imo, because I believe our secondary problems had to do more with bad seconday coaching from Raheem Morris and Jim Haslett tbh. If that doesn't work I wouldn't be too mad if Redskins get the best player available at that time possibly Amari Cooper, as next year will probably be Garcon/Jackson's last year and will need some receivers after they leave during the offseason. If we do trade back take one of those offensive line, I would prefer Scherff as he seems like a work horse, and could be an all pro guard in this league for a long time. Don't fuck it up Danny, and hire Scot McCloughan and give him complete control of the draft, and have AJ Smith give his two cents about some of the players but Scot making the final call for who we should draft.

[Raven]

raiduhs will draft amari cooper, i'm sure of that... would be hilarious if they don't though

[Spur-Addict]

I thought we were going to have to wait until Jan 15th for his decision, but he's in the draft. DGB please.

[Holden_Caulfield]

lol jameis declared, i say hundley goes ahead of him

[spurraider21]

raiduhs will draft amari cooper, i'm sure of that... would be hilarious if they don't though
if Al Davis was alive you could book Dorial Beckham Green tbh :lol

[spurraider21]

lol jameis declared, i say hundley goes ahead of him
i liked Hundley going in, but he sucks. he's already too slow a decision maker for the college level, and that will only amplify in the NFL. his ceiling is jason campbell imo... and thats if everything goes right.

i'm just glad we're not in a position to even consider Winston. i'm just hoping Leonard Williams pulls an Eli :lol

[Holden_Caulfield]

i liked Hundley going in, but he sucks. he's already too slow a decision maker for the college level, and that will only amplify in the NFL. his ceiling is jason campbell imo... and thats if everything goes right.

i'm just glad we're not in a position to even consider Winston. i'm just hoping Leonard Williams pulls an Eli :lol
he has a higher ceiling than winston, Hundley is a rich mans ej manuel :lol

you guys get gregory we get williams and everyone is happy :toast

[spurraider21]

he has a higher ceiling than winston, Hundley is a rich mans ej manuel :lol

you guys get gregory we get williams and everyone is happy :toast
Gregory is supposed to be all-that, but I'm not a fan of a 245 pound DE :lol

I'd assume we'd go with Amari Cooper if Williams is predictably off the board


but its clear this dude loves the raiders... look at the shit he tweets and retweets all the time.

https://twitter.com/lwtrojan94

[Clipper Nation]

have AJ Smith give his two cents about some of the players

Not a good idea.

See: Sammy Davis, Buster Davis, Larry English, Ryan Mathews, etc.

[Avante]

Tony Romo, Kurt Warner and Jamarcus Russell prove how imperfect the system is when it comes to QB's. Running backs can step right in, there it's just instincts and....young legs.

As far as this crop of QB's go, none of them will be a savior. If Winston wasn't an idiot, hmmmm?

[Holden_Caulfield]

Gregory is supposed to be all-that, but I'm not a fan of a 245 pound DE :lol

I'd assume we'd go with Amari Cooper if Williams is predictably off the board


but its clear this dude loves the raiders... look at the shit he tweets and retweets all the time.

https://twitter.com/lwtrojan94
if youre gonna draft amari might as well bring kiffin with him :lol, i dont even think cooper will be the first wr taken

[spurraider21]

if youre gonna draft amari might as well bring kiffin with him :lol, i dont even think cooper will be the first wr taken
im not even worried. L. Williams will pull an Eli and force his way to the Raiders :rollin

[Spur-Addict]

if Al Davis was alive you could book Dorial Beckham Green tbh :lol

I'm going to be honest, I don't care about this guys history. I'd take him on the Hawks any day. Rough upbringing, made some mistake etc. But, you don't pass on players like this.

Also, I'm not sure if you've read this article, it's an interesting read and provides a lot of insight.

http://www.maxpreps.com/news/b_l_tIqZEd-lugAcxJTdpg/becoming-dorial-green-beckham.htm

[spurraider21]

I'm going to be honest, I don't care about this guys history. I'd take him on the Hawks any day. Rough upbringing, made some mistake etc. But, you don't pass on players like this.

Also, I'm not sure if you've read this article, it's an interesting read and provides a lot of insight.

http://www.maxpreps.com/news/b_l_tIqZEd-lugAcxJTdpg/becoming-dorial-green-beckham.htm
oh no doubt... if i was picking late first id grab him too. but we're going #4, he's had off field issues + not a ton of college production.

[Spur-Addict]

oh no doubt... if i was picking late first id grab him too. but we're going #4, he's had off field issues + not a ton of college production.

Ahhhh, perhaps I ignored the context there. Yeah, you have to take what's closest to a sure thing in the top ten. I have a feeling he'll be gone around the time we're on the board in the 1st, or we'll try to wait until the 2nd and someone will nab him before us. If the latter occurs, it will likely end in a dramatic moment of me throwing something that smashes against the wall but whatever.

[spurraider21]

Ahhhh, perhaps I ignored the context there. Yeah, you have to take what's closest to a sure thing in the top ten. I have a feeling he'll be gone around the time we're on the board in the 1st, or we'll try to wait until the 2nd and someone will nab him before us. If the latter occurs, it will likely end in a dramatic moment of me throwing something that smashes against the wall but whatever.
if we get Leonard Williams and Beckham Green...

http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/dead.png

[Spur-Addict]

if we get Leonard Williams and Beckham Green...

http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/dead.png

Landing those two would pretty be home runs in back to back drafts, then you'd have to kneel to Lord Reggie :lol

I swear if he's there in the first and we don't pick him, then we miss out, I don't know how I'll be able to handle that. Because he's precisely what we need on the offensive end as far as weapons are concerned.

[Silver&Black]

Over the past two days....the "Jameis Winston to the Bucs" talk has really picked up.

[Trill Clinton]

if we get Leonard Williams and Beckham Green...

http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/dead.png


using coli smilies eh? http://i59.tinypic.com/160ojmg.png

[spurraider21]

using E. coli smilies eh? http://i59.tinypic.com/160ojmg.png
i just really like the 'dead' one

[Raven]

Over the past two days....the "Jameis Winston to the Bucs" talk has really picked up.

i'll tell you the truth, i've been a winston hater from the start, but the last game, when he looked flat out awful, i could see why some people may fall in love with his potential.. Good arm, looks to throw and plays a pure pro style scheme.. from undraftable as manziel he grew up on me, maybe i would take a flyer in the 4th round..

[Silver&Black]

i'll tell you the truth, i've been a winston hater from the start, but the last game, when he looked flat out awful, i could see why some people may fall in love with his potential.. Good arm, looks to throw and plays a pure pro style scheme.. from undraftable as manziel he grew up on me, maybe i would take a flyer in the 4th round..

Flyer in the 4th round.....I'll go with that.

The problem is that they're talking about him 1st overall. If the Bucs draft Winston with the first pick.....then they'll have one less fan. Thinking maybe jumping on that Pats bandwagon....you guys got any room?

[Spur-Addict]

Flyer in the 4th round.....I'll go with that.

The problem is that they're talking about him 1st overall. If the Bucs draft Winston with the first pick.....then they'll have one less fan. Thinking maybe jumping on that Pats bandwagon....you guys got any room?

Say it ain't so....:depressed

[Silver&Black]

Say it ain't so....:depressed

Nah man....Bucs fan for life. (Unfortunately) Just keeping my options open. Any room on the 'Hawks bandwagon?

[Silver&Black]

that oghuebi dude saw his stock fall

ouch....torn ACL. Will not play in Senior Bowl...

[Killakobe81]

I think Bucs should consider Winston. Marriotta even BEFORE last night has real concerns tbh and needs to prove he can play a pocket QB Style offense unless you gonna run a version of that Oregon Spread ...
People claim that Jameis has a high football IQ and studies tape diligently. If true, you could make a strong case he should go over MM and probably first overall. We shall see.

[Holden_Caulfield]

did the titans just hire lebeau? leonard williams is going #2 for sure now :cry

[spurraider21]

did the titans just hire lebeau? leonard williams is going #2 for sure now :cry
dont you fucks already have good DT's? Leave Williams alone :cry

[Holden_Caulfield]

dont you fucks already have good DT's? Leave Williams alone :cry
marks tore his acl :cry, and we need to rebuild the glory days of jaguars football

[spurraider21]

marks tore his acl :cry, and we need to rebuild the glory days of jaguars football
Jack Del Rio will rebuild the glory of jaguars football.... in Oakland :lol

[Silver&Black]

Say it ain't so Derrick Brooks :depressed

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/09/derrick-brooks-will-mentor-jameis-winston-if-bucs-draft-him/


Derrick Brooks will mentor Jameis Winston, if Bucs draft him

Posted by Mike Florio on February 9, 2015, 4:45 PM EST
https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/winston1.jpg?w=220
AP
During a recent visit to PFT Live on NBC Sports Radio, Hall of Fame Tampa Bay linebacker Derrick Brooks made the case for the Buccaneers to use the first pick in the 2015 draft on former Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston. Appearing on Monday’s PFT Live, Ira Kaufman of the Tampa Tribune said that, if the Bucs do what Brooks has suggested, Brooks will have a key role in helping Winston adjust to the NFL.
“I think if Winston’s the pick — and I think he will be — I think Brooks will play a role in trying to corral this kid, mature him, even bring him into his home, if necessary,” Kaufman said. “That’s how much Brooks cares about FSU, about the Bucs, and seeing this franchise get relevant.”
So will the Bucs take the 2013 Heisman winner?

“I see Winston in a Bucs uniform,” Kaufman said. “Yes, there will be protests . . . but I think in terms of pro potential, I think most people would tell you Winston is ahead of [Marcus] Mariota.”

There are also reports that Derrick Brooks didn't say this.....I don't know what to believe.

[spurraider21]

somehow they clocked Kevin White at 4.35 and Cooper at 4.42 but according to this video Cooper actually won by a hair. he should be the #1 receiver on the board period. if we go WR at #4, hope Coop's the one. Amari Cooper from Derek Carr = AC/DC...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw6rhfkixDQ


edit: commentators have it wrong. parker is the one trailing

[spurraider21]

Holden_Caulfield with senderrick marks and red Bryant already there would the jags really go for Leonard Williams over an edge rusher?

[Holden_Caulfield]

Holden_Caulfield (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=23326) with senderrick marks and red Bryant already there would the jags really go for Leonard Williams over an edge rusher?
marks is coming off an acl injury and red is an old ass nigga, so if williams is there at 3 it would be retarded to pass on him because i dont think any rusher is worth the #3 overall. but it seems like the titans might snag williams :cry. so we are primed to trade out of the 3rd for the qb needy teams :hungry:

[spurraider21]

Yeah Winston-Williams seems to be the consensus. Hoping we grab amari or get a generous call from chip kelly

[Raven]

damn crableg flopped the combine far worse than imaginable.. he also has relatively small hands.

[spurraider21]

damn crableg flopped the combine far worse than imaginable.. he also has relatively small hands.
where the hell are you hearing this? basically everybody is saying he did well at the combine, and especially in interviews with x's and o's

[Raven]

where the hell are you hearing this? basically everybody is saying he did well at the combine, and especially in interviews with x's and o's

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jameis-winston?id=2552485

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/marcus-mariota?id=2552466

[spurraider21]

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/jameis-winston?id=2552485

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/marcus-mariota?id=2552466
lol... he's a pocket qb, who gives a shit about his 40, broad jump, vert jump, 3 cone drill, and 20 yard shuttle. smh

those matter more for Mariota since he's reliant on his play outside the pocket

[Raven]

lol... he's a pocket qb, who gives a shit about his 40, broad jump, vert jump, 3 cone drill, and 20 yard shuttle. smh

those matter more for Mariota since he's reliant on his play outside the pocket

sure, that doesn't change the fact that being as fast as an offensive lineman is not killing it. He was expected to be a lot more athletic, and you have to consider he has a size disadvantage against Mariota. Same length but smaller hands. Of course for a pocket qb that doesn't mean much, but it means more than some interviews that even manziel could handle.

[spurraider21]

sure, that doesn't change the fact that being as fast as an offensive lineman is not killing it. He was expected to be a lot more athletic, and you have to consider he has a size disadvantage against Mariota. Same length but smaller hands. Of course for a pocket qb that doesn't mean much, but it means more than some interviews that even manziel could handle.
he excelled in throwing drills and in the interviews... the rest is irrelevant for him

[Raven]

he excelled in throwing drills and in the interviews... the rest is irrelevant for him

nah those are the irrelevant ones. Trust me.

[spurraider21]

nah those are the irrelevant ones. Trust me.
excellent persuasive skills

[Raven]

excellent persuasive skills
well, for throwing it's a known fact that the combine is irrelevant, the pro day is relevant only for exclusion purposes, the only thing that matters are the throws and reads that coaches ask and are not prepared in advance. The interview part has become a joke, they know exactly what to say like a written script at this point.

[spurraider21]

damn crableg flopped the combine far worse than imaginable.. he also has relatively small hands.
:lol

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[Clipper Nation]

Seahawks should tell Struggle to go screw and trade up to get Jameis, I bet he can complete a one-yard pass :lol

[spurraider21]

Seahawks should tell Struggle to go screw and trade up to get Jameis, I bet he can complete a one-yard pass :lol
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[Raven]

:lol

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how is that related :lol? i also think bucs will take him :lol

[spurraider21]

how is that related :lol? i also think bucs will take him :lol
its weird how you can "flop the combine far worse than imaginable" and yet your draft stock goes unscathed

you're really bad at this

[Silver&Black]

i also think bucs will take him :lol

:pctoss

[Clipper Nation]

http://giant.gfycat.com/NastyFrayedBantamrooster.gif

http://i.imgur.com/b5gIKBO.gif

http://i.imgur.com/kh3pU5W.gif

[Avante]

Winston threw 28 INTs in just two NCAA seasons, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wilson had 30 in 4 NCAA seasons.

[Clipper Nation]

Winsto threw 28 INTs in just two NCAA seasons, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wilson had 30 in 4 NCAA seasons.

At least Winston completed a goal-line pass with the championship on the line. Struggle couldn't say the same.

[Avante]

At least Winston completed a goal-line pass with the championship on the line. Struggle couldn't say the same.

Are you really this immature guy, wow! You act like a dumb kid.

I got permanant bannishment to wager that Winston won't have anything remotely close to a RW type rookie season, you got balls or just a big fucking mouth?

Jameis Winston is a big kid as we'll see.

[Avante]

I don't put too much into the draft, so many times these guys don't pan out while some..."who?"...surprises everyone.

A lot of these guys came from one parent homes and once they get some big $$$$$ they have no clue how to act.

To.."he's going to do this and that"....nay! You can draw attention to somebody like Dri Archer because they aren't that well known.

[NFO]

I got permanant bannishment to wager that Winston won't have anything remotely close to a RW type rookie season.

Not going to a team like Seattle, so Winston will not have a rookie season like RW. Besides who carees about rookie season's anyway in the grand scheme of things???

What is the difference IF Winston had a great rookie season but never wins a title then so what and IF Winston has a so-so rookie season but wins a title in year 4 or 5?

Let's see what lame "expert" NFL garbage you spew out this time.

[Raven]

its weird how you can "flop the combine far worse than imaginable" and yet your draft stock goes unscathed

you're really bad at this

wtf :lol. It's a known fact that :lolvie smith is the worst coach in the nfl, so why would it be surprising that he and the people who hired him would take a bust with the #1 pick? I expect them to do so actually. Nothing can really hit his draft placement tbh, i don't see a scenario where the bucs don't draft him since they made up their mind long ago and are not the type of people to actually watch games. And if i was so bad at it, why was i right about Manziel among others?

[spurraider21]

wtf :lol. It's a known fact that :lolvie smith is the worst coach in the nfl, so why would it be surprising that he and the people who hired him would take a bust with the #1 pick? I expect them to do so actually. Nothing can really hit his draft placement tbh, i don't see a scenario where the bucs don't draft him since they made up their mind long ago and are not the type of people to actually watch games. And if i was so bad at it, why was i right about Manziel among others?
if he flopped the combine worse than imaginable, then his draft stock would have taken a substantial hit. its really not that complicated

[Raven]

if he flopped the combine worse than imaginable, then his draft stock would have taken a substantial hit. its really not that complicated

yeah, except it's not true. It worsens him as a long term prospect, that's it.

[Silver&Black]

Any chance somebody pulls a Mike Ditka and trades their entire draft for the #1 pick?

[Silver&Black]

Looks like Mike White (WR West Virginia) is now the clear-cut favorite to be the 1st WR taken in the draft. This is all basically because White measured almost two inches taller and ran a 4.35...while Cooper ran a 4.42. I'll admit that I only saw White play 2-3 games last year....but I don't know if he's better than Amari Cooper. I saw Cooper play damn near every game and I know that dude is legit.

Most mock drafts (which don't mean shit btw) have the Raiders taking a WR first. Whatcha think spurraider21 ....you cool with Da Raiders taking White instead of Cooper? I think Cooper only being 6'0" might force some of the earlier teams to consider whether or not they want to spend a high first round pick on him.

[spurraider21]

Looks like Mike White (WR West Virginia) is now the clear-cut favorite to be the 1st WR taken in the draft. This is all basically because White measured almost two inches taller and ran a 4.35...while Cooper ran a 4.42. I'll admit that I only saw White play 2-3 games last year....but I don't know if he's better than Amari Cooper. I saw Cooper play damn near every game and I know that dude is legit.

Most mock drafts (which don't mean shit btw) have the Raiders taking a WR first. Whatcha think spurraider21 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905) ....you cool with Da Raiders taking White instead of Cooper? I think Cooper only being 6'0" might force some of the earlier teams to consider whether or not they want to spend a high first round pick on him.
a) yeah, i'm fine with taking a wide receiver. of course, if Leonard Williams somehow fell, he'd be the obvious pick. barring that, a wide receiver would probably be the best pick for us.

b) Cooper > White. at the combine, coop measured in at 6'1 and White at 6'3. lots have been said about White's 40 time, but the video shows Cooper was just as fast if not faster. don't listen to the commentators, thats cooper out front and parker in the back


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw6rhfkixDQ

c) of course, if we have the opportunity to trade back with the Eagles, i'd jump all over that too

[The Gemini Method]

Cooper did his thing for the duration of his college career and White is relatively new...wonder how it'll turn out.

[Silver&Black]

Haven't seen that vid yet...thanks :tu

Yeah...these were unofficial times of course. But they did say that Cooper's and Parker's 10-yard split times were better than White's.

[Silver&Black]

Cooper did his thing for the duration of his college career and White is relatively new...wonder how it'll turn out.

yeah...good point. I'd go with the proven commodity tbh...

[The Gemini Method]

yeah...good point. I'd go with the proven commodity tbh...

Also, White was shut down in a number of games. Cooper played with a hurt knee and against better competition with a mediocre QB. @spurraider21 is he a Raider?

[Silver&Black]

Also, White was shut down in a number of games. Cooper played with a hurt knee and against better competition with a mediocre QB. @spurraider21 is he a Raider?

:lmao Don't say that Cooper played against better competition on Spurstalk :lmao

Remember Big 12 fans run this site. Guess you didn't get the memo that the SEC doesn't play anybody. :lmao

[The Gemini Method]

:lmao Don't say that Cooper played against better competition on Spurstalk :lmao

Remember Big 12 fans run this site. Guess you didn't get the memo that the SEC doesn't play anybody. :lmao I forgot. The disparity is not as big as it once was. But it still is there.

[spurraider21]

cooper isn't the most dynamic athlete at his position, but he projects to be a Reggie Wayne, Tory Holt, Roddy White, Antonio Brown, Marvin Harrison type... a guy that will go about his day and quietly rack up 8 catches, as opposed to a guy who will catch 4 balls for 110 yards

[spurraider21]

Also, White was shut down in a number of games. Cooper played with a hurt knee and against better competition with a mediocre QB. @spurraider21 is he a Raider?
Cooper should absolutely be the pick unless
a) Big Cat Williams fell
b) Chip D'Antoni is calling

[Silver&Black]

Cooper should absolutely be the pick unless
a) Big Cat Williams fell
b) Chip D'Antoni is calling

I think b) has a much better chance of happening than a) tbh.

Big Cat isn't falling past Jacksonville....no way. Hell, even the Titans might scoop him up at #2.

[spurraider21]

I think b) has a much better chance of happening than a) tbh.

Big Cat isn't falling past Jacksonville....no way. Hell, even the Titans might scoop him up at #2.
Jags might be looking at an edge rusher too.

they also gave up 71 sacks, by FAR the most in the NFL. they need to protect Bortles before he starts having David Carr syndrome

[spurraider21]

hopefully this puts an end to some of the unnecessary post-combine Kevin White hype. Cooper was already clearly the superior prospect and this should just cement it

579770280903577601

[Silver&Black]

Yeah just from watching the two....I can't see White being "better" than Cooper.

But with the Raiders...EVERYBODY said that Crabtree was the better player and they scooped up DHB instead.

[Avante]

Unless a guy runs track (like a lot of them have) I don't put much in 40 times for wide receivers, far more important for backs. Jerry Rice, Chris Carter, weren't burners. Getting in and out of cuts far more important than just zoom.

[spurraider21]

Unless a guy runs track (like a lot of them have) I don't put much in 40 times for wide receivers, far more important for backs. Jerry Rice, Chris Carter, weren't burners. Getting in and out of cuts far more important than just zoom.
I agree. I barely take 40 times into account... the tape usually tells it all. But unfortunately, the same can't be said for team's talent evaluators. They strive for a prediction system that can be completely quantified. Height, weight, hand size, vertical jump etc. If you can quantify everything, it makes their job easier and makes the pick selection process feel like its less random and more in their control... unfortunately, true evaluation comes from tape study, which is very subjective due to variables between teams. Cooper's college situation, for example, was quite different than White's. Different offenses, QB's, coaches... so it makes the process challenging. But that's just how it is.

Cooper blows everybody away on tape, and Kevin White was getting a lot of attention because of his "advantage" on the 40 yard dash. Now that we know Cooper was just as fast, hopefully this will remove the unwarranted Kevin White hype and safely put Cooper back atop the WR totem pole in this year's draft.

[spurraider21]

Yeah just from watching the two....I can't see White being "better" than Cooper.

But with the Raiders...EVERYBODY said that Crabtree was the better player and they scooped up DHB instead.
Yeah, I think Cooper > White and it's really not close. White is entirely limited to straight line lines. Fly routes, short hitches/comebacks, and bubble screens. Outs, slants, posts, crosses, double moves are not his forte. His only real advantage over Cooper his he is about 1.5 inches taller and has a higher vert (not that 38" is anything special when it comes to NFL receivers. It's solid though).

That was during the Al Davis era... he was fascinated with having the best athletes, not necessarily the best football players. DBH sucked but Crabtree hasn't really panned out. Maclin has become the best receiver out of that class. Harvin is great too but oft injured. Nicks has flamed out, Britt has been up and down.

[Silver&Black]

Yeah, I think Cooper > White and it's really not close. White is entirely limited to straight line lines. Fly routes, short hitches/comebacks, and bubble screens. Outs, slants, posts, crosses, double moves are not his forte. His only real advantage over Cooper his he is about 1.5 inches taller and has a higher vert (not that 38" is anything special when it comes to NFL receivers. It's solid though).

That was during the Al Davis era... he was fascinated with having the best athletes, not necessarily the best football players. DBH sucked but Crabtree hasn't really panned out. Maclin has become the best receiver out of that class. Harvin is great too but oft injured. Nicks has flamed out, Britt has been up and down.

Yeah I can't see the Raiders not going Cooper over White. He played against better competition in college and was damn near unstoppable most games. But this is all assuming that the Raider go WR with their pick....

You're right...that was during the Al Davis era and the guy did have a fascination with speed in general. Shame what happened to Kenny Britt...the dude definitely had potential...just couldn't stay out of trouble. Sad really....

[Avante]

I agree. I barely take 40 times into account... the tape usually tells it all. But unfortunately, the same can't be said for team's talent evaluators. They strive for a prediction system that can be completely quantified. Height, weight, hand size, vertical jump etc. If you can quantify everything, it makes their job easier and makes the pick selection process feel like its less random and more in their control... unfortunately, true evaluation comes from tape study, which is very subjective due to variables between teams. Cooper's college situation, for example, was quite different than White's. Different offenses, QB's, coaches... so it makes the process challenging. But that's just how it is.

Cooper blows everybody away on tape, and Kevin White was getting a lot of attention because of his "advantage" on the 40 yard dash. Now that we know Cooper was just as fast, hopefully this will remove the unwarranted Kevin White hype and safely put Cooper back atop the WR totem pole in this year's draft.

It's all about tape in my opinion, all that combine stuff is a joke. Rices 40 time scared some away, we saw how that went. Football is not about the standing broad jump, the bench press etc, it's about intensity and the will to win. Obviously everyone at a combine has talent.

I wouldn't get too carried away with level of opposition however, as you know we've seen tons of great players out of small schools, Jerry Rice/Walter Payton for example.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

DGB is going to Carolina

[Spur-Addict]

DGB is going to Carolina

Would be a nice pairing, as we're out of the race for him seeing as how we've traded for The Graham. Trading our 1st rounder for a proven entity makes me feel better about whatever we would've gotten at that spot. In this scenario all that you would need is a speedy slot guy, not sure if you guys have one now. Although, after losing Hardy I'm wondering if they are going to prioritize filling a void there.

[Blizzardwizard]

Never usually advocate reaching for a RB but....One of Melvin or Todd is headed to SD....

[Clipper Nation]

Never usually advocate reaching for a RB but....One of Melvin or Todd is headed to SD....
Fire Telesco immediately if he wastes a first-round pick on any running back.

[Blizzardwizard]

Fire Telesco immediately if he wastes a first-round pick on any running back.

Fire Telesco immediately if he pussys out and passes up on two great talents and drafts a mediocre offensive lineman instead.

[spurraider21]

DGB is going to Carolina
a week ago you said Cooper is going to carolina. 2 weeks ago you said andre johnson is going to carolina

:lol tiquan underwood

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

a week ago you said Cooper is going to carolina. 2 weeks ago you said andre johnson is going to carolina

:lol tiquan underwood
Bro your team hasn't won 5 games in how many years? Why do you think you're in a position to talk shit? And it would take a complete dumbass to take the Amari comment seriously

Underwood would be Oaklands #2 :lol

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

DGB is dropping despite his obvious talents did to his off field issues. If he's available and we don't sign Greg Jennings, I don't see us passing on him.

[spurraider21]

Bro your team hasn't won 5 games in how many years? Why do you think you're in a position to talk shit? And it would take a complete dumbass to take the Amari comment seriously

Underwood would be Oaklands #2 :lol
difference between you and me is i'm realistic about my team. i dont go talking shit to holden's jags either. but you're always hyping your team as something they're not, so your takes deserve to be slammed

the raiders are a bad team, the panthers are better than them right now, but neither is contending or even a playoff caliber team. but hey, the panthers werent playoff caliber last year but they were in the worst division in nfl history

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Lol the Panthers are definitely NFC contenders. Finished off the year strong and have no competition in our division. I can see 11-5

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Anyone that watched Carolina, especially how they progressed during the year can see they're only 2-3 pieces away from SB contenders. They have a great foundation with efficient scoring and right defense

[Clipper Nation]

Fire Telesco immediately if he pussys out and passes up on two great talents and drafts a mediocre offensive lineman instead.
Those "two great talents" will be in full decline by age 27 and done by age 30, and that's IF they don't bust like TRich or get injured (Gurley). They also play the most replaceable and least important skill position, one that depends on the O-line when our O-line is trash. Not a smart use of a first-round pick.

[Clipper Nation]

Anyone that watched Carolina, especially how they progressed during the year can see they're only 2-3 pieces away from SB contenders. They have a great foundation with efficient scoring and right defense
:lol 7-9 in the shittiest division in sports history
:lol Garbage starting QB
:lol Ted Ginn being your marquee offseason move
:lol "2-3 pieces away"

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lol 7-9 in the shittiest division in sports history
:lol Garbage starting QB
:lol Ted Ginn being your marquee offseason move
:lol "2-3 pieces away"
We need #2 WR, one more good DB, and a LT. That's it. There's no weakness on the team and we will definitely make the playoffs this year.

[Avante]

Anyone that watched Carolina, especially how they progressed during the year can see they're only 2-3 pieces away from SB contenders. They have a great foundation with efficient scoring and right defense

And how many other NFC teams are 2-3 pieces away? Look at the Rams, look at the Lions, look at the Eagles, Cowboys, hell...the Giants!

The Panthers can't beat the good teams on the road in meaningful games, until that changes you aren't doing shit.

This "my team" thing you got going is comical, try being realistic, ok? My Niners totally suck right now, ya see I keep it real.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

And how many other NFC teams are 2-3 pieces away? Look at the Rams, look at the Lions, look at the Eagles, Cowboys, hell...the Giants!

The Panthers can't beat the good teams on the road in meaningful games, until that changes you aren't doing shit.
The NFL expert is basing this off one game in Seattle? How about against ATL and NO, two domes, where we out scored those teams 78-13? Those were must wins on the road to get in the playoffs for both games respectively. Weren't they supposed to be "just as good as us". The team turned around in the last month and gave !Seattle one hell of a game.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

And the year before that we were 12-4. Our defense is just as dominant, in the last 8 weeks after it was announced Hardy wouldn't be back, they allowed the 3rd least yards, behind Buffalo and Seattle

[Silver&Black]

Anyone that watched Carolina, especially how they progressed during the year can see they're only 2-3 pieces away from SB contenders. They have a great foundation with efficient scoring and right defense

Name these 2-3 pieces you're talking about....

[Clipper Nation]

We need #2 WR, one more good DB, and a LT. That's it. There's no weakness on the team and we will definitely make the playoffs this year.
You need a #1 QB.

[Raven]

carolina will be a bottom 5 team, that much is obvious. They need pretty much everything.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Name these 2-3 pieces you're talking about....
I did

[Silver&Black]

I did

I know what you said....

But I'm talking about "names". Who do you have in mind?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I know what you said....

But I'm talking about "names". Who do you have in mind?
Draft picks

[Silver&Black]

Draft picks

Okay then.....so Carolina is 2-3 rookies away from winning or competing for the Lombardi trophy?

[Avante]

The NFL expert is basing this off one game in Seattle? How about against ATL and NO, two domes, where we out scored those teams 78-13? Those were must wins on the road to get in the playoffs for both games respectively. Weren't they supposed to be "just as good as us". The team turned around in the last month and gave !Seattle one hell of a game.

You lost...

at Ravens, Packers, Eagles last season, ya tied Cinncy. When ya beat NO they were 5-7. Atlanta, hahaha!!!!!!!

The Panthers are not a good football team, they are an ok team in a pussy ass division, so stop with the bullshit, ok?

Look guy we all have our fav teams, ok? But don't get silly with it like you do, ok? I know a guy on a track board who is from China, he is always talking about anytime now they are going to explode on the speed scene hahaha!!!!!!!!!! We have HS kids who can beat the Chinese, they are just too damn stubby. That's reality, how about giving it a shot, ok?

Reality...my Niners will need at least two/three seasons to get back in the mix. Hope I'm wrong but doubt I will be.

See how it works?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Avante is a retard who doesn't watch the games

Was the NFCS weak two years ago when we curbstomped that division with the same core?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Okay then.....so Carolina is 2-3 rookies away from winning or competing for the Lombardi trophy?
Yup.

rookies are what got us from 3-8 to 7-8

[Avante]

Avante is a retard who doesn't watch the games

Was the NFCS weak two years ago when we curbstomped that division with the same core?

Avante is the guy who knew about Cam Newton at Blinn JC, the guy who has seen more football games than this whole board combined. The guy who remembers a Pantherless NFL.

Why you need to wander around in a fantasy, ?????

You must have forgotten how many times you lost bets to me backing your Panthers in "spots" where it was real obvious they stood no chance.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Answer my question bitch boy?

[NFO]

Talking in third person. :rollin

Honestly believing in having watched more NFL games than the entire board. :rollin

Knew about Cam at Blinn JC, but not as a HS recruit and freshmen at Florida??? :rollin

The guy remembers a Pantherless NFL. Who the fuck doesn't. :rollin

Look the guy was an insurance salesman, most likely an average won at best considering he thinks winning 2K in one NFL season is a large sum of money. :rollin



The Panthers have a good core, especially on D, but lack the right skill position players to take any further than what they accomplished this year. Until that happens they will continue to beat up on a bad division and make the playoffs, with a likely early exit.

[Avante]

Answer my question bitch boy?

Ya mean the season ya beat Atlanta 21-20 and lost to the Saints before getting your ass kicked by my Niners, that season? Oh yeah, you lost to Seattle..AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you ever deal with real life?

Since 2010 you have gone...14-18 in the division, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Ya mean the season ya beat Atlanta 21-20 and lost to the Saints before getting your ass kicked by my Niners, that season? Oh yeah, you lost to Seattle..AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you ever deal with real life?

Since 2010 you have gone...14-18 in the division, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's because it's the strongest division in the past decade. Every year a different team shows strength. But you seem to be missing a couple details from that 2013 season. Care to try again Mr Expert?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Talking in third person. :rollin

Honestly believing in having watched more NFL games than the entire board. :rollin

Knew about Cam at Blinn JC, but not as a HS recruit and freshmen at Florida??? :rollin

The guy remembers a Pantherless NFL. Who the fuck doesn't. :rollin

Look the guy was an insurance salesman, most likely an average won at best considering he thinks winning 2K in one NFL season is a large sum of money. :rollin



The Panthers have a good core, especially on D, but lack the right skill position players to take any further than what they accomplished this year. Until that happens they will continue to beat up on a bad division and make the playoffs, with a likely early exit.
:tu

[Holden_Caulfield]

the jaguars are 4 players away from being a superbowl contender tbh imho

[Silver&Black]

the jaguars are 4 players away from being a superbowl contender tbh imho

:lmao

[spurraider21]

Randy Gregory failed the combine drug test... results were positive for weed.

not that weed is a big deal, but he's a fucking moron with his future and career in the balance

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

the jaguars are 40 players away from being a superbowl contender tbh imho

[Raven]

the jaguars are 4 MVPs away from being a superbowl contender tbh imho

imo tbh

[Mal]

the jaguars are 4 players away from being a superbowl contender tbh imho

Brady, Gronk, Watt, Sherman ?

[Silver&Black]

A lot of Mariota trade talk going on right now....

Latest I heard was San Diego trading up to the second pick and sending Rivers to Tennessee. Don't know about that one honestly. If Tennessee is not sold on Mariota...draft Williams. No need to trade the 2nd pick for Rivers. I imagine there is other draft picks in the offer....just haven't seen the full details.

[Avante]

I wouldn't spend a first round pick for Winston or Mariota. Bryce Petty will be the best of the three. Winston will prove to be too immature, Mariota couldn't light a fire with a blow torch.

Cooper the only "can't miss" offensive player.

Gurley has that size/speed combo but is he too fragile?

[Aztecfan03]

A lot of Mariota trade talk going on right now....

Latest I heard was San Diego trading up to the second pick and sending Rivers to Tennessee. Don't know about that one honestly. If Tennessee is not sold on Mariota...draft Williams. No need to trade the 2nd pick for Rivers. I imagine there is other draft picks in the offer....just haven't seen the full details.

Is that talk still going? I haven't heard it in a while.

[Silver&Black]

Is that talk still going? I haven't heard it in a while.

Yeah....still been hearing it the past couple days. A lot of Philip Rivers doesn't want to play in L.A. talk....so if the Chargers move to L.A....he'll walk for nothing.

[Blizzardwizard]

Why is this crap still being pushed? Not even AJ Smith would've been stupid enough to trade Rivers for a mediocre at best QB :lmao

[spurraider21]

i dont think the chargers will move up... but there seems to be a growing consensus that the first 2 picks will be Winston-Mariota, whether its Tennessee, or a team trading up (Jets, Bears, Browns, Eagles).

seems like there's a really strong chance Leonard Williams will fall to #4 :hungry:

last year the Mack fell to us because the Jags took Bortles... this year as long as Jags take a passrusher (most probably Fowler, maybe Beasley), we can probably land Williams. do us a solid, Holden_Caulfield

[Holden_Caulfield]

i dont think the chargers will move up... but there seems to be a growing consensus that the first 2 picks will be Winston-Mariota, whether its Tennessee, or a team trading up (Jets, Bears, Browns, Eagles).

seems like there's a really strong chance Leonard Williams will fall to #4 :hungry:

last year the Mack fell to us because the Jags took Bortles... this year as long as Jags take a passrusher (most probably Fowler, maybe Beasley), we can probably land Williams. do us a solid, Holden_Caulfield (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=23326)
lol we got stefan

your pick should be cooper and only cooper tbh

[spurraider21]

lol we got stefan

your pick should be cooper and only cooper tbh
wiz, just like knighton, should fire his agent. the raiders offered Wiz more years and higher annual salary, but he turned it down and wanted to be paid like an top tier center. instead his market was ass and he settled for a prove-it deal. solid deal for the jags, he's a solid/average center... certainly won't be a liability. Knighton supposedly turned down about 7 mil per year from the Raiders and said he got lowballed :lol... and he also ended up settling for a shitty 1 year 4 mil prove it deal too

cooper is a natural fit for what we want, but there's no way they should pass up on Williams if he's there

[Holden_Caulfield]

wiz, just like knighton, should fire his agent. the raiders offered Wiz more years and higher annual salary, but he turned it down and wanted to be paid like an top tier center. instead his market was ass and he settled for a prove-it deal. solid deal for the jags, he's a solid/average center... certainly won't be a liability. Knighton supposedly turned down about 7 mil per year from the Raiders and said he got lowballed :lol... and he also ended up settling for a shitty 1 year 4 mil prove it deal too

cooper is a natural fit for what we want, but there's no way they should pass up on Williams if he's there
yeah its hard to pass on williams but Carr's progression should be more important if you guys really see him as your qotf.
another season with the shittiest wr corp ever will cause you guys to draft another qb in the near future. but then again maybe you guys have a lot of hope in crabtree :lol

[Holden_Caulfield]

vontae mack no matter what

[spurraider21]

vontae mack no matter what
u guys gotta pull a 2014 and reach, so we can land big cat :hat

[Mugen]

Leonard Williams :hungry:

[The Gemini Method]

spurraider ready to suck off Big Cat...

[spurraider21]

spurraider ready to suck off Big Cat...
:lol

big cat > no lyfe cat

[BatManu20]

593901505138270208

[spurraider21]

future antoine walker

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Philo
:lol Rivers staying
:lol No Mariota
:lol Raiders

[Trill Clinton]

593901505138270208

those loubotins are cleeeean. i want an all red pair.

[Kyle Orton]

Mel kiper is a faggot

Didn't he welch?

[spurraider21]

draft is on NFL Network and ESPN... which coverage is typically better?

[manufan10]

draft is on NFL Network and ESPN... which coverage is typically better?

I prefer NFL Network.

[Kyle Orton]

lol draft "analysts" if those faggots actually knew shit they would be working in an nfl front office.
lol love seeing faggots like kiper and mcshay wrong as fuck every year

[spurraider21]

lol draft "analysts" if those faggots actually knew shit they would be working in an nfl front office.
lol love seeing faggots like kiper and mcshay wrong as fuck every year
they mostly get it right, imo. not specific picks, but as far as overall player ranks. basically everybody who gets taken in the first round is projected to. its not like some random guys that weren't mocked end up going top 10

[Kyle Orton]

lol goodell is fucking cringeworthy

LOL 10 minutes per pick

[Trill Clinton]

goodell getting a lot of heat already

[Trill Clinton]

ST mock draft results:


1. jameis winston/qb- tampa bay
2. leonard williams/de- tennessee titans
3. dante fowler jr/de- jacksonville jaguars
4. amari cooper/wr- oakland raiders
5. vic beasley/olb- washington redskins
6. marcus mariota/qb- new york jets
7. randy gregory/olb- chicago bears
8. shane rey/olb- atlanta falcons
9. brandon scherff/ot- new york giants
10. kevin white/wr- st. louis rams
11. devante parker/wr- minnesota vikings
12. danny shelton/dt- cleveland browns
13. alvin dupree/olb- new orleans saints
14. trae waynes/db- miami dolphins
15. jalen strong/wr- san francisco 49ers
16. landon collins/ss- houston texans
17. todd gurley/rb- san diego chargers
18. cameron irving/c- kansas city chiefs
19. dorial green-beckham/wr- cleveland browns
20. la'el collins/ot- philadelphia eagles
21. malcolm brown/dt- cincinatti bengals
22. kevin johnson/cb- pittsburgh steelers
23. marcus peters/cb- detroit lions
24. melvin gordon/rb- arizona cardinals
25. erick flowers/ot- carolina panthers
26. jalen collins/cb- baltimore ravens
27. byron jones/cb- dallas cowboys
28. andrus peat/ot- denver broncos
29. dj humphries/ot- indianapolis colts
30. denzel perryman/mlb- greenbay packers
31. arik armstead/dt- new orleans saints
32. tj clemmings/ot- new england patriots

[spurraider21]

winston isn't a bad prospect, but i dont like him as a day 1 starter. bucs should still start glennon imo

[TXstbobcat]

draft is on NFL Network and ESPN... which coverage is typically better?

I like ESPN because I like to hear Mel Kipers comments.

[Holden_Caulfield]

Lol teams scrambling for mariota wtf

[BatManu20]

Just announce Winston already. Let's go.

[Spur-Addict]

Shocker at #1

[spurraider21]

Lol teams scrambling for mariota wtf
i hope he goes #2. dont care which team

[Holden_Caulfield]

i hope he goes #2. dont care which team

To Eagles or Browns just for lols

[Spur-Addict]

I was hoping for a kicker at #1

[BatManu20]

Eagles going to make this thing happen, imo.


According to NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport, the team's stockpile of picks and players -- which is also being dangled in front of the Bucs at No. 1 -- includes a pair of first-round picks, a third-round pick, Sam Bradford (http://www.nfl.com/player/sambradford/497095/profile), Fletcher Cox (http://www.nfl.com/player/fletchercox/2533051/profile), Brandon Boykin (http://www.nfl.com/player/brandonboykin/2532798/profile), Mychal Kendricks (http://www.nfl.com/player/mychalkendricks/2532890/profile) and more.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000489252/article/what-are-the-eagles-offering-for-no-2?campaign=Twitter_atn_orr

[spurraider21]

To Eagles or Browns just for lols
if i could choose it would be the chargers :lol

[benefactor]

So are we tipping picks or no? I don't really give a shit either way.

[Kyle Orton]

So are we tipping picks or no? I don't really give a shit either way.
do it

[spurraider21]

cowboys takin manziel for sure

[TXstbobcat]

So are we tipping picks or no? I don't really give a shit either way.

Can I get your prediction for the Texans pick at 16????

[Spur-Addict]

cowboys takin manziel for sure

Spaaaaghetti, spaaaghetti

[BatManu20]

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[TXstbobcat]

cowboys takin manziel for sure

Do they have top alcohol rehab facilities in Dallas????

[Holden_Caulfield]

Jags please trade down

[BatManu20]

Titans will draft Mariota, trade him later tonight. Imo.

[spurraider21]

mariota pls

[spurraider21]

YES

http://nfldraftdiamonds.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/IMG_2663.jpg

[HI-FI]

Sorry infinite limit that Niners didn't grab Rapist Winston.

[Spur-Addict]

Sorry spurraider21, Leonard to Jacksonville

[spurraider21]

Sorry spurraider21 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905), Leonard to Jacksonville
:cry no pls

but seriously, i'd be thrilled with Cooper too. i just dont want kevin white or any of these passrushers. though if i had to choose i'd take fowler over the rest

[spurraider21]

jags pick is in already :wow

[Trill Clinton]

i was hoping the eagles trade up for marioto

[BatManu20]

Jags taking Amari. Watch.

[djohn2oo8]

Kiper seems extra coked up tonight.

[Kyle Orton]

fowler to jags

[spurraider21]

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[Spur-Addict]

jags pick is in already :wow

Fowler!!

[BatManu20]

Like I said. Dante Fowler.

[spurraider21]

Raiders can't fuck this up, can they?

1) Williams
1a) Cooper

there is nobody else

[Kyle Orton]

fowler to jags
yup my sources are correct


now cooper to raiers and williams to skins please

[benefactor]

Can I get your prediction for the Texans pick at 16????
Lots of chatter today about Cam Erving, but I think they'll trade back.

[BatManu20]

Leonard Williams is staying in Cali.

[spurraider21]

pick is in

PrayingDog.jpg

[HI-FI]

Umm Suzy :jack

[Kyle Orton]

cooper to raiders confirmed

[spurraider21]

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[Kyle Orton]

Leonard Williams is staying in Cali.
nope its cooper

[Spur-Addict]

Daaaaaaaamn, I would've gone Williams.

[spurraider21]

woulda loved big cat, but i'm thrilled we got Cooper

[BatManu20]

Leonard Williams to the skins.

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao RAIDERS
:lmao Wasting the third overall pick on a shiny hood ornament
:lmao No Leonard Williams for you
:lmao Philo

[Spur-Addict]

:lmao Washington

[Kyle Orton]

wow


fuck my life

[BatManu20]

Wow Brandon Scherff to the skins.

[HI-FI]

Excited to see what Scott mcgoulin gonna do. :lol guess people on here don't like it.

[Kyle Orton]

Leonard Williams to the skins.
0-3 so far

[BatManu20]

wow


fuck my life

:lol

[spurraider21]

:lmao RAIDERS
:lmao Wasting the third overall pick on a shiny hood ornament
:lmao No Leonard Williams for you
:lmao Philo
i've had Williams 1 and Cooper 1a the whole time

definitely woulda preferred williams, but cooper is something our offense hasn't had since brown/rice. can't hate on a team that's investing in their quarterback

[BatManu20]

0-3 so far


Hoping to jinx him all the way down to 27, tbh.

[TXstbobcat]

i've had Williams 1 and Cooper 1a the whole time

definitely woulda preferred williams, but cooper is something our offense hasn't had since brown/rice

i like the Cooper pick for you guys.

[Clipper Nation]

i've had Williams 1 and Cooper 1a the whole time

definitely woulda preferred williams, but cooper is something our offense hasn't had since brown/rice. can't hate on a team that's investing in their quarterback

Carr sucks, and big-name wide receivers are only impactful when you already have a stacked team (which the Raiders obviously don't).

[HI-FI]

Mccartney's Jets is such a badass song.

[Trill Clinton]

good pick for the skins. o line was trash last year.

[Spur-Addict]

WILLIAMS, WOOOO That's fuckin beast

[spurraider21]

best player in the draft right there... he's not explosive, but he's strong as fuck, plays with good technique, and high motor

[Spur-Addict]

Jets could get multiple picks right now for Wilkerson.

[Spur-Addict]

Chi has to go Danny Shelton

[benefactor]

This will be one of those drafts the Skins look back on...oh wait...RGKnee.:lol

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Jets have a stacked D... They should have gone elsewhere.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

This will be one of those drafts the Skins look back on...oh wait...RGKnee.:lol
RgIII > any Texans QB

[Holden_Caulfield]

Lol jags gm is a needs drafter

[spurraider21]

lol combine riser

[benefactor]

White...good pick.

[Spur-Addict]

They haven't had a problem scoring, they've had a problem stopping people. Especially in a division with GB, the fuck is wrong with you

[spurraider21]

gurley to falcons?

[Trill Clinton]

beasely to falcons is my guess

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

gurley to falcons?
Nah they like their youth there

[benefactor]

gurley to falcons?
Too much of a reach this high. They need defensive help.

[spurraider21]

Too much of a reach this high. They need defensive help.
true. Dan Quinn probably takes Beasley and makes him play that LEO spot

[LkrFan]

:lmao RAIDERS
:lmao Wasting the third overall pick on a shiny hood ornament
:lmao No Leonard Williams for you
:lmao Philo

Them jackasses. They could have paired Williams with Mack and began really building their defense. Dumb dumb dumb. SMH

[spurraider21]

beasley gets bulldozed in the run game by any NFL tackle. explosive athlete... another combine riser

[Warlord23]

Hmm ... several teams were eyeing Beasley, not a bad pick

[Trill Clinton]

eric flowers?

[benefactor]

Giants really can't screw this up. Oline or Dline BPA