3-0..

[Malik Hairston]

Since the release, tbh..

How long can they ride it out for?

[lefty]

Post this shit in the Pistons forum please


Things are gonna pick up over there, one day

[Thread]

Since the release, tbh..

How long can they ride it out for?

Have they shown up in the shotgun shack you built 'em after busting their hole back in '05?

[Franklin]

for as long as the Lockets losing streak continues :lol

[Malik Hairston]

I dunno, I only ever go to the Pistons forum by accident, tbh:lol..

[Bynumite]

Top seed in the west so quick to insert a cancer in their lockerroom http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/mjlol.png

[lefty]

I dunno, I only ever go to the Pistons forum by accident, tbh:lol..
:lol Spurmstalk
:lol created the Pistons because of the 05 Finals
:cry because "mutual respect"
:cry so fucking classy
:cry phaggots

:lmao they even had a Sacramento Kings forum because they gave a tough time to the Spurms in the 1st round of the 2006 playoffs

[Thread]

Top seed in the west so quick to insert a cancer in their lockerroom http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/mjlol.png

I don't blame them. They didn't have enough at default. At least they acknowledged it this time and have attempted to address it.

[Robz4000]

Not sure, but it sucks the Spurs have to play them in the upcoming days. With the way shit's going it'll be another loss.

[DMC]

I don't blame them. They didn't have enough at default. At least they acknowledged it this time and have attempted to address it.
Shoulder to shoulder and it ain't even 2015 yet.

[Thread]

Not sure, but it sucks the Spurs have to play them in the upcoming days. With the way shit's going it'll be another loss.

These losses are sweet. I'm gettin' spoiled, Rob. Are you playin' possum, or, should I anticipate an end to the run?

[Robz4000]

These losses are sweet. I'm gettin' spoiled, Rob. Are you playin' possum, or, should I anticipate an end to the run?

All depends on Leonard. If he's out for awhile, the Spurs are done.

[DMC]

All depends on Leonard. If he's out for awhile, the Spurs are done.

But will still finish ahead of the Lakers.

[Thread]

But will still finish ahead of the Lakers.

D, runnin' just as fast as he can.

[DMC]

D, runnin' just as fast as he can.

We're champs and you've not once acknowledged it, and here you want your one RS win victory cigar.

[skut_farkus]

Addition by subtraction tbh

Rockets :lol

[Thread]

We're champs and you've not once acknowledged it, and here you want your one RS win victory cigar.

I was here the day you rang and acknowledged it.

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[DMC]

I was here the day you rang and acknowledged it.

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

You've spent all season talking about 2013 as if 2014 never happened.

[Thread]

You've spent all season talking about 2013 as if 2014 never happened.

'14 is for you.

'13 is for me.

I was here on both days and cited the materiel.

[DMC]

'14 is for you.

'13 is for me.

I was here on both days and cited the materiel.

You're the one bitching about someone not crediting that one regular season win. Spurs won the last championship outright, beat them down, and you basically said "meh... amy and 6".

[Thread]

You're the one bitching about someone not crediting that one regular season win. Spurs won the last championship outright, beat them down, and you basically said "meh... amy and 6".

No. I said:

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 5

I had the decency to withhold The Bag until a couple weeks later.

[DMC]

No. I said:

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 5

I had the decency to withhold The Bag until a couple weeks later.

Ok Lakers 10-22, not 9-23. There's your reciprocal recognition.

[Thread]

Ok Lakers 10-22, not 9-23. There's your reciprocal recognition.

Then what were you bitching about? I was here when you rang last June. I cited it. I raved and raved and said you were poised to win as many as YOU (wanted) to. I was first to make that statement. Nothing has changed.

[DMC]

Then what were you bitching about? I was here when you rang last June. I cited it. I raved and raved and said you were poised to win as many as YOU (wanted) to. I was first to make that statement. Nothing has changed.

You were here afterward because in typical chickenshit fashion you went AWOL during the playoffs until the thing was done. You knew you had to face it, so you basically walked in with a head nod and started in on the 2013 schtick.

Besides, you're the one bitching about having your moment for last night's meaningless win.

[Malik Hairston]

Winning by 30 points tonight:lol..

Rockets losing by 20 to the Pelicans, too..

[Mal]

Josh Smith :lmao

[sook]

:lol rockets

[Sean Cagney]

Josh Smith is just not that good of a player, stats were good in his career earlier but dude just sucks now pretty much. Detroit did themselves a solid getting rid of that guy it seems.

[Raven]

:lmao

[ElNono]

crofl crofl

[DMC]

crofl crofl
Flufflol Flufflol

[Mal]

Waiting for Knicks to shut down Fatmelo and starting winning :lmao

[jeebus]

crofl crofl

Dude you need to quit fucking snap chatting mckenna. Stop. She doesn't respond with anything meaningful for a reason and she's not interested in you. Who am I? The man whom she is in love with. She already told me not to worry, she's not interested in you. Sorry I bothered you kid. I've dated her since 2 summers ago. If you aren't trying to get at my woman or being inappropriate I don't care if you snap her occasionally. Just don't try anything man. You'll embarrass yourself and anger me. We are in love and we're making love tomorrow. So if you have any ill intentions with my woman you can forget it right now. I'm the biggest and best she's ever had, only man she's ever loved and the only man who could truly satisfy her physically. You will never have her. And she loves me. I don't have any problems with you if you are over my woman and realize you will never be with or touch her again. I apologize for coming off as a dick, just me and kenna are really deep in love and we've been through a lot and I just moved back home and it makes me a little jealous and angry to see a man she used to date before me is snap chatting her.... We don't need any extra bullshit or drama right now, so don't bring us any please is all I ask friend. If you try to talk to her any way but as a brother, or you try to see her at all, if she tells me you do anything inappropriate or anything outside of what a strict brother like friend would do,we are going to have a huge problem. I will leave you alone now dude if you're not trying to get at the woman who I love and whom is in love with me. That entire summer she was with me. She left kyle for me. She's been with me ever since, she even loved me and made love to me before she EVER let anything happen with you. You didn't please her. She didn't have strong feelings for you at all. And she immediately ended shit with you for me once she knew I loved her too. So get any ideas of the past out of your head. None of this truth should bug you if you're over her but I'm just making sure. I hate when my baby's friends have ill intentions and she thinks they are just friends and have no alternative motive. But idk if I trust you at all. If I can trust you to not stress me and my baby or fuck with our love tell me. I will leave you alone and apologize. But if you aren't over her and you're tryna "get some" or you're tryna get back in her life, it's NOT HAPPENING. She said you were nothing to her, and the sex was bad anyway haha. You're small and weak and she said it all felt wrong after being with me. She's been with me ever since. We're in love. And tomorrow me and her will be together in my room making love alll day how we always have together. If you have a problem speak up like a man or tell me our love doesn't bug you and I'll apologize, it's simple. So??? What is it? You are after my woman then huh?! Tell me the fucking truth man. Don't you dare be disrespectful and gross enough to bring it up, but if if you ask her about anything she shared with me about your weak ass, she may be nice and lie to you, or she may not care and tell you the truth. Either way. I'm her soullmate and her boyfriend of the past two years almost. And she tells me everything and NEVER lies to me. I don't care haha. Just stay away from my kenna. I sincerely apologize if you have no ill intentions and aren't trying to make moves with my woman. And i respect you as a guy in the service. I'm sure you're an ok dude. But just as a friend. You're nothing to my kenna but a brother like friend. I just wanna be sure you know it and don't forget it. Find a nice classy woman where you are stationed, marry her.... But back off of mine. You will never even compare to me in her eyes. Not even close haha.I just don't need you interfering with me and kenna's love. It's our lives man. It's really not cool.... Goodbye man, good luck. Respect to you being in the service. Sorry to bring your day down with my crazy bullshit but. Me and kenna are head over heels.... I can't help but be crazy about her. I love her with all of my heart and I will protect her from her untrustworthy fake friends. Not saying you are one. But you're dodging telling me what's going on in your head so I'm questioning a lot right now. Just know I'm never gonna hurt her, I'm always going to have her back, I'd give my life for her without hesitation, and I will protect her from anything, everything, and anyone. She is the love of my life. I fully intend to marry and give kenna my children. And we've talked a lot about it. Just don't make shit harder than it already is. I just moved back and me and her miss eachother so badly and we are FINALLY go to see eachother tomorrow and make love for the first time since halloween.... I hope you don't hate me man. I'm a good dude. Just protective of the woman who holds my heart. And who's heart I hold and must protect. I hope you can understand. She promised me there's nothing at all to worry about with you and that she's not interested:"/ I wish I knew before I embarrassingly went off on you. I'm so sorry man. I'm sorry. Please don't mention this to my baby:/ I'm really embarrassed and while she will understand, I just feel like an ass for attacking you when you have nothing with my kenna and no intention to. Good bye brother. I hope you find your one true love someday. It'll make you crazy, trust me, but you'll find her one day. I found mine when I was really young. And it's my kenna :)

[bdubya]

Since the release, tbh..

How long can they ride it out for?

Just barely long enough to fuck their draft position.

[scanry]

:lol rockets
Sookie here thought that Harden got better on the defensive end. http://i.imgur.com/1OL41z2.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bp-Y9_hCYAAFt64.jpg:large


http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sabu.png

[HI-FI]

^ :lol

[sook]

Sookie here thought that Harden got better on the defensive end. http://i.imgur.com/1OL41z2.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bp-Y9_hCYAAFt64.jpg:large


http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sabu.png

we play tomorrow night, today ...NOBODY played good D with the way we got thrashed. Rather him go balls deep on the Heat. We need to rid ourselves of that cancer smith first doe/

[Clipper Nation]

J:lolsh Smith: 4-11 last night. Man, he really is putting Houston over the top!

[-21-]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fthewisdomofsports.blogspot.com%2F&ei=IieoVLKTA8388QWqqoDwBQ&bvm=bv.82001339,d.c2E&psig=AFQjCNHrobcH4PFRMHUsqxPTXZeAT8cf-A&ust=1420392599241267http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qqjAdQ9_5Q4/Udh0hmFwhkI/AAAAAAAAAJQ/GsU7S0EOki8/s1600/stan-vangundy.jpg

[TheCultOfPersonality]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6ZSbQuIAAICoUs.png:large

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Smith came off the bench against the Grizzlies. I'm embarrassed to say that the Grizzlies game was by far Smith's best game as a Rocket.

[Jodelo]

Smith came off the bench against the Grizzlies. I'm embarrassed to say that the Grizzlies game was by far Smith's best game as a Rocket.

21 points on 21 shots. :lol

[DMC]

Pistons not only beating teams, they are stomping them. 5-0

[StrengthAndHonor]

Fluke or not, Pistons are playing an inspired brand of basketball. 5 straight wins since Smith was moved. Brandon Jennings' play is also a huge part of it. 21.6 PPG, 55% FG 48% 3FG to go along with 5.6 dimes and 1.4 thefts a game.

[313]

Pistons are long over due for a playoff appearance. Much of that due to picking up that POS Smith, but now that that's behind them they have a nice little squad and a good coach.

[Brunodf]

Pistons 4 games away from making the playoffs in the Leastern Conference despite starting the season 5-23 :rollin

[Malik Hairston]

:lol ya, as DMC said, they aren't just winning, they're destroying teams..

A lot of teams go on runs after a trade that "brings them together", so we'll see if they can sustain this enough to make a run for 8th..the East has improved a lot at the top, but the 6-8 seeds are still pretty bad..

[100%duncan]

Sucks that we have to play these motherfuckers now they are hot.

[JohnnyMax]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6jKOrSCAAI2n-6.jpg

[z0sa]

I was here the day you rang and acknowledged it.

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

You werent here the entire playoffs until not even game 6, AFTER the Spurs lost game 7. You lost any semblance of respect a long time ago, ya old geezer.

[Thread]

You werent here the entire playoffs until not even game 6, AFTER the Spurs lost game 7. You lost any semblance of respect a long time ago, ya old geezer.

In for penny.

In for pound.

[313]

:lol ya, as DMC said, they aren't just winning, they're destroying teams..

A lot of teams go on runs after a trade that "brings them together", so we'll see if they can sustain this enough to make a run for 8th..the East has improved a lot at the top, but the 6-8 seeds are still pretty bad..Reminiscent of the Raptors trading Gay last year

[bulakenyo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6jKOrSCAAI2n-6.jpg


I actually LOLd.

[ElNono]

What's the Rockets record since the Smith deal now?

[ElNono]

nevermind, 3-3

[Venti Quattro]

nevermind, 3-3

:lol Double that

:lmao 6-0 after Josh Smith got waived

:lmao Josh Smith

[timtonymanu]

*6 - 0

thanks to the choking ass, Spurs.

I hope they keep winning though, been wanting to see the Pistons make the playoffs again.

[Spurs9]

Might see some traffic in the Pistons forum now tbh

[Mal]

Van Gundy ballsy decision paid well. Not every coach is cutting player with 40 mil left in contract

[JohnnyMax]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6vRLuvIgAAS-DF.jpg

[D-Wade]

Not only are the Pistons coming for that 8th spot, but the Hawks only two years removed from getting rid of J-Smoove are sitting at that #1. In fact, with the injury to Hortford last year, you could say this is the first year they've all been healthy together.

Josh Smith :lol

[Killakobe81]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6vRLuvIgAAS-DF.jpg

Lol Rockets
dem Pistons and Hawks have been impressive ...

[ambchang]

I have question why analytics genius Morey would go for Josh Smith when all advanced stats point to him being a -ve.

[RsxPiimp]

I have question why analytics genius Morey would go for Josh Smith when all advanced stats point to him being a -ve.

Pretty sure, Morey the GM wouldn't go all in for a guy like Smith. This is obviously a Dwight Howard move behind closed doors.

[DMC]

Damn, I've heard to hitting your stride but you get rid of a guy and become a playoff level team? crazy.

[Splits]

I can't remember anything like this in recent NBA history. The team started 5-23 and then wins 7 straight? Against some legit opponents? And dominated every game but 1? This is absolutely incredible.

[Pelicans78]

This is better than Linsanity!

[Malik Hairston]

Crazy that there was questioning of SVG's coaching ability with this terrible roster, considering his resume, tbh:lol..

[spurraider21]

Pretty sure, Morey the GM wouldn't go all in for a guy like Smith. This is obviously a Dwight Howard move behind closed doors.
how did they go all in? they got him for nothing

[100%duncan]

Nice to see teams growing

[ClipperLuva]

SVG is one of the few real coaches in the league.

[GuerillaBlack]

how did they go all in? they got him for nothing
Some people don't understand that the Rockets are paying Smith 2M. Not like they gave him a huge contract. And they started having issues when Dwight came back, not when Smith was signed.

[Clipper Nation]

Some people don't understand that the Rockets are paying Smith 2M. Not like they gave him a huge contract. And they started having issues when Dwight came back, not when Smith was signed.

And yet Rockets homers such as yourself don't understand the opportunity cost. Even though you're only paying him $2 million, that roster spot could have been used on someone who isn't a proven team cancer instead.

[GuerillaBlack]

And yet Rockets homers such as yourself don't understand the opportunity cost. Even though you're only paying him $2 million, that roster spot could have been used on someone who isn't a proven team cancer instead.

Who could the Rockets have signed for that $2M? Jermaine ONeal? This is a very low risk, high reward move.

[Clipper Nation]

Who could the Rockets have signed for that $2M? Jermaine ONeal?

Even signing some scrub from the D-League would have been better than bringing in The Cancer.

[ClipperLuva]

Who could the Rockets have signed for that $2M? Jermaine ONeal?
Jeff fucking Ayers.. that's who.

[GuerillaBlack]

Even signing some scrub from the D-League would have been better than bringing in The Cancer.

So you got nobody...

[StrengthAndHonor]

how did they go all in? they got him for nothing
That nothing is costing the Rockets everything they worked for.

[spurraider21]

So you got nobody...
it appears as though "nobody" would have been a better choice than smith. its like Evan Turner for last year's pacers tbh

[Legacy]

This is better than Linsanity!

[ElNono]

This is a very low risk, high reward move.

I would argue it's a high risk, low reward move.

You guys were already set with DHo and DMo, you're not gaining much from a 'big' that likes to take long 2s and 3s, and that defensively is only interested in the showboat block.

He's gonna cost you games, and once the honeymoon is over, he's gonna pout.

[GuerillaBlack]

it appears as though "nobody" would have been a better choice than smith. its like Evan Turner for last year's pacers tbh

He has looked fine coming off the bench. Will have to live with a couple of bad shots a game (had 2 against the Cavs), but a nice low risk move with him off the bench imo. Rockets needed more depth there badly.

[GuerillaBlack]

I would argue it's a high risk, low reward move.

You guys were already set with DHo and DMo, you're not gaining much from a 'big' that likes to take long 2s and 3s, and that defensively is only interested in the showboat block.

He's gonna cost you games, and once the honeymoon is over, he's gonna pout.

Behind those two was Dorsey and Black. Smith is an upgrade over those two. Plus, the timetable on Jones' return was uncertain. They even played Smith a little at the 5 tonight. Rockets had some bad front court depth. There is a reason why other Western conference contenders asked about Smith once he was released. The Rockets weren't the only interested team.

[ElNono]

Behind those two was Dorsey and Black. Smith is an upgrade over those two. Plus, the timetable on Jones' return was uncertain. They even played Smith a little at the 5 tonight. Rockets had some bad front court depth. There is a reason why other Western conference contenders asked about Smith once he was released. The Rockets weren't the only interested team.

He's been a terrible, cancerous player way before you guys picked him up. It's only a matter of time with him. I don't really care how many other teams inquired, I'm certainly glad the Spurs weren't the ones to pick him up (doubt they had interest).

I actually thought you guys improved picking up Ariza over the summer, but this is a big step back, especially if McHale plans to play him for any extended amount of minutes.

[Robz4000]

Behind those two was Dorsey and Black. Smith is an upgrade over those two. Plus, the timetable on Jones' return was uncertain. They even played Smith a little at the 5 tonight. Rockets had some bad front court depth. There is a reason why other Western conference contenders asked about Smith once he was released. The Rockets weren't the only interested team.

Wait, is there news on Jones' injury?

[TDMVPDPOY]

so whats the rockets record with smith since gettin him?

[benefactor]

I can't believe there are Rocket fans still trying to defend this signing.:lol

[JamStone]

It's pretty unbelievable. I'm not quite sure how this has happened or that Josh Smith was so damaging to the team. I defended the acquisition when it happened because the Pistons at the time had so little talent and lacked athleticism at the forward positions. And I even liked a lot of what Josh Smith did for the Pistons outside of his shot selection on offense. Boy how wrong, how wrong I was.

Turns out there is some decent to even pretty good talent on the roster. But even beyond that, the way the team is playing so much more together and unselfish at both ends of the court is pretty astounding. Against the Spurs, Andre Drummond and Anthony Tolliver played the bulk of the minutes in the 4th quarter at the big positions to close out the game. Last night in Dallas, it was Greg Monroe and Jonas Jerebko. And all indications suggested by comments by Van Gundy are that no one on the team has issues with playing time or who gets the shots. They're just concerned about winning. Last night Van Gundy said late in the game he was ready to bring in Jennings and Drummond back into the game and they both told him no because the guys on the court were playing so well. Seems like it's been a drastic team wide cultural change as much as anything that's made a huge difference.

Now having said that, winning games obviously helps. So we'll see if players continue to have that unselfish team mindset when they lose a few games and guys want more minutes or touches. And Brandon Jennings is a wildcard because he still does have a tendency to take a few bad shots or try to do too much and has at least a perceived personality that could go the other way when things go bad.

But so far, it's been a revelation to say the least.




so whats the rockets record with smith since gettin him?

I believe the Rockets are now 4-4 since he joined them in games he played.

[Killakobe81]

It's pretty unbelievable. I'm not quite sure how this has happened or that Josh Smith was so damaging to the team. I defended the acquisition when it happened because the Pistons at the time had so little talent and lacked athleticism at the forward positions. And I even liked a lot of what Josh Smith did for the Pistons outside of his shot selection on offense. Boy how wrong, how wrong I was.

Turns out there is some decent to even pretty good talent on the roster. But even beyond that, the way the team is playing so much more together and unselfish at both ends of the court is pretty astounding. Against the Spurs, Andre Drummond and Anthony Tolliver played the bulk of the minutes in the 4th quarter at the big positions to close out the game. Last night in Dallas, it was Greg Monroe and Jonas Jerebko. And all indications suggested by comments by Van Gundy are that no one on the team has issues with playing time or who gets the shots. They're just concerned about winning. Last night Van Gundy said late in the game he was ready to bring in Jennings and Drummond back into the game and they both told him no because the guys on the court were playing so well. Seems like it's been a drastic team wide cultural change as much as anything that's made a huge difference.

Now having said that, winning games obviously helps. So we'll see if players continue to have that unselfish team mindset when they lose a few games and guys want more minutes or touches. And Brandon Jennings is a wildcard because he still does have a tendency to take a few bad shots or try to do too much and has at least a perceived personality that could go the other way when things go bad.

But so far, it's been a revelation to say the least.





I believe the Rockets are now 4-4 since he joined them in games he played.

You guys have talent and a top 5 coach. you should absolutely make the playoffs in the LEAST. DJ augustin was murdering the Mavs last night before and after JJB's flop. DJ was strong for the Bulls late in games. Meeks was much improved for the Lakers last year and now is healthy. Unfair to pin ALL of this on Josh but to watch Monroe Jerebko Meeks DJ and even tuff Juice (all non starters at times last year) contribute heavily to beating a very good Mavs team was quite impressive. Not only are Pistons a legit 8th seed in the playoffs (because if Jennings does get wild you can play DJ) I really that Pope kid. I only have seen the Pistons play maybe a 10 times the past two seasons but I like what he brings ...

As a Pistons fan, tell Jam am I wrong about the kid?

[JamStone]

You guys have talent and a top 5 coach. you should absolutely make the playoffs in the LEAST. DJ augustin was murdering the Mavs last night before and after JJB's flop. DJ was strong for the Bulls late in games. Meeks was much improved for the Lakers last year and now is healthy. Unfair to pin ALL of this on Josh but to watch Monroe Jerebko Meeks DJ and even tuff Juice (all non starters at times last year) contribute heavily to beating a very good Mavs team was quite impressive. Not only are Pistons a legit 8th seed in the playoffs (because if Jennings does get wild you can play DJ) I really that Pope kid. I only have seen the Pistons play maybe a 10 times the past two seasons but I like what he brings ...

As a Pistons fan, tell Jam am I wrong about the kid?


Not all on Josh Smith, but I'd say A LOT on Josh Smith. It's not like they traded him and brought someone else in to take most of his minutes put up great numbers and that's been the difference. The team is essentially the same except for losing Smith and picking up Anthony Tolliver--who is getting some minutes but isn't exactly giving the type of production that signals he's the difference. It's more so that the players who were already playing are just playing better. Jennings went on a little tear for a few games, seemingly now with a great sense of freedom without having to give Smith the ball every other possession. Monroe has been scoring the ball with greater efficiency without getting significant more minutes than before. There are more minutes to go around in the front court so a guy like Jerebko is able to contribute more, who plays hard and doesn't have to look over his head when he makes a mistake. And he does take much better shots and is a significantly better outside shooter (hard not to be) than Smith. Jerebko hits open jumpers at an acceptable, but perhaps more importantly the shots he takes are generally good, open looks and when he isn't hitting he doesn't keep shooting.

It did help getting Meeks back to help open up the spacing with his threat of shooting. And DJ has also started to play much better. But from what I've watched, it's just a whole team thing. Different players stepping up from game to game. Not ALL on Smith but it's hard to ignore the notion that it had a lot to do with him, how he disabled the flow of offense, and perhaps more to the point how his attitude negatively affected the performance of the team.

I wasn't a big fan of Pope. Still not much of a fan. He is probably the team's best perimeter defender and he does hustle. But outside of his defense, I haven't been that impressed with him yet the year plus he's been with the team. He has had a few games where he has gotten hot, but few and far between. He's not shy about shooting, which is okay. But he needs to get much better offensively. He'd be fine if the Pistons had a dynamic scorer at SF. They don't. That's where the Pistons need a serious upgrade. The SF position is a huge, glaring hole right now at both ends of the floor.

[Killakobe81]

Not all on Josh Smith, but I'd say A LOT on Josh Smith. It's not like they traded him and brought someone else in to take most of his minutes put up great numbers and that's been the difference. The team is essentially the same except for losing Smith and picking up Anthony Tolliver--who is getting some minutes but isn't exactly giving the type of production that signals he's the difference. It's more so that the players who were already playing are just playing better. Jennings went on a little tear for a few games, seemingly now with a great sense of freedom without having to give Smith the ball every other possession. Monroe has been scoring the ball with greater efficiency without getting significant more minutes than before. There are more minutes to go around in the front court so a guy like Jerebko is able to contribute more, who plays hard and doesn't have to look over his head when he makes a mistake. And he does take much better shots and is a significantly better outside shooter (hard not to be) than Smith. Jerebko hits open jumpers at an acceptable, but perhaps more importantly the shots he takes are generally good, open looks and when he isn't hitting he doesn't keep shooting.

It did help getting Meeks back to help open up the spacing with his threat of shooting. And DJ has also started to play much better. But from what I've watched, it's just a whole team thing. Different players stepping up from game to game. Not ALL on Smith but it's hard to ignore the notion that it had a lot to do with him, how he disabled the flow of offense, and perhaps more to the point how his attitude negatively affected the performance of the team.

I wasn't a big fan of Pope. Still not much of a fan. He is probably the team's best perimeter defender and he does hustle. But outside of his defense, I haven't been that impressed with him yet the year plus he's been with the team. He has had a few games where he has gotten hot, but few and far between. He's not shy about shooting, which is okay. But he needs to get much better offensively. He'd be fine if the Pistons had a dynamic scorer at SF. They don't. That's where the Pistons need a serious upgrade. The SF position is a huge, glaring hole right now at both ends of the floor.

Thanks for the analysis. That is why I asked because against us even if he didnt shoot well he seemed to have the tools needed. But sometimes, we as fans get caught up in the way they play against us while a level headed fan of the respective player's team can have a more balanced view.

[Malik Hairston]

Pistons are still extremely short on talent, tbh..people shouldn't start overrating their talent because of this winning streak..

It wasn't all on Smith, as JamStone said, the Jodie Meeks addition has been essential..we all questioned Van Gundy for signing him to a big deal, but his presence on the floor is yet another example of the importance of spacing in today's game, especially when you have Drummond and Monroe in the frontcourt..

Monroe is still pretty overrated, too, his defense is awful IMO..

The biggest concern with the Pistons is Jennings' shooting, it seems very unlikely that he's going to continue tearing it up..this is literally the greatest shooting streak he has ever had since entering the NBA, and I find it hard to believe that SVG is the reason for it, as good of a coach as he is:lol..Jennings has been one of the 2 most important players during this streak IMO, but fortunately for the Pistons, SVG won't hesitate to sit him when he's struggling..

They will be much more dangerous next year IMO..they really need to fill the SF hole, Singler is really bad, and the alternatives seem even worse..

[Killakobe81]

Pistons are still extremely short on talent, tbh..people shouldn't start overrating their talent because of this winning streak..

It wasn't all on Smith, as JamStone said, the Jodie Meeks addition has been essential..we all questioned Van Gundy for signing him to a big deal, but his presence on the floor is yet another example of the importance of spacing in today's game, especially when you have Drummond and Monroe in the frontcourt..

Monroe is still pretty overrated, too, his defense is awful IMO..

The biggest concern with the Pistons is Jennings' shooting, it seems very unlikely that he's going to continue tearing it up..this is literally the greatest shooting streak he has ever had since entering the NBA, and I find it hard to believe that SVG is the reason for it, as good of a coach as he is:lol..Jennings has been one of the 2 most important players during this streak IMO, but fortunately for the Pistons, SVG won't hesitate to sit him when he's struggling..

They will be much more dangerous next year IMO..they really need to fill the SF hole, Singler is really bad, and the alternatives seem even worse..

Im the one said not all on Josh Smith, Jam agreed but said A LOT was on Josh smith for the record ... is Singler THAT bad. I get they need a legit starter and he is nothing what his college hype suggests but I remember in college he and Hayward at Butler were two of the next great white hypes. Is he that horrid? Becaus ethough overpaid and overrated Hayward at least has had some moments including a game winner over Lebron ...

I also agree on spacing which is why I am not sure why the Cavs traded for Mozgof ...yes they need defense and Smith (along with Love) provides spacing but he is so irratic I dont know if I were a smart, good defensive team like the Bulls or Hawks would I consider chasing JR at the 3 to leave the paint open for Lebron or Kyrie to attack the paint.

Spacing is critical and as I said when SVG signed him Meeks had improved in his contract year (of course) and became a decent off the dribble guy and finisher in the lane ...when before only Past his prime Fisher was worse at those things on recent Laker teams. I would have rather kept Meeks over Nick young but I get why we chose Swaggy.

[spurraider21]

Mozghov to Cleveland made sense on paper, but I don't get why they're pushing all in with a team that clearly isn't a contender

[DMC]

Mozghov to Cleveland made sense on paper, but I don't get why they're pushing all in with a team that clearly isn't a contender
What choice do they have? Lebron is goners in 2 years (1.5 years now). Love is goners next year. They've played the multiple 1st overall picks game and sucked at it. Even if they let another team draft their talent they cannot develop it, they just can't. They need give fans the impression that they are trying to win a ring when we know they are just trying to win fans. They aren't now nor have they ever been serious about contending for a title. Same with the large majority of NBA teams.

[Franklin]

or maybe they're doing all these to win Lebron's loyalty (which they can't get either), just like the signings of Ben, Shaq etc... but at least Mozghov is relatively young compared to those washed up has-beens.

[DMC]

or maybe they're doing all these to win Lebron's loyalty (which they can't get either), just like the signings of Ben, Shaq etc... but at least Mozghov is relatively young compared to those washed up has-beens.
What a shitty state of affairs for the post game in the NBA that Timofey fucking Mozghov is a desired center.

[DMC]

So one loss and they are right back at it. A fluke team would lay it down after that loss "we had a good run" they'd say. I'd like to see Detroit make the Playoffs.

[lefty]

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[Holden_Caulfield]

damn they might get home court :lol

[Malik Hairston]

Winning @ Toronto, despite playing their 7th game in 11 days:lol..

[DMC]

They were down 12 at the break. Holy shit, teams at the top are watching these guys.. lol, 9-1 in their last 10.

[Malik Hairston]

Doesn't make any sense, too, considering the backcourt talent on that team:lol..

Their SF rotation is Kyle Singler and Caron Butler:lol..

[Hemotivo]

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[DMC]

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[Hemotivo]

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already there

[RsxPiimp]

24 pts 21 asts frm Jennings. 12-3, best team in 2015.

[Malik Hairston]

Their D is terrible(which is expected with Monroe in your frontcourt, and a backcourt of Jennings/Meeks), but that offense has been dominant..

Jennings is playing at a level that he has never even sniffed in the past, though..I'm still not fully convinced it's not just a hot stretch, but I guess SVG could be the first coach to finally reach him..

[TDfan2007]

20-20 for anyone is amazing. Let alone a guard. Absurd numbers by Jennings. Drummond continues to tear it up as well. Drummond's pnr play really opens up their game.

[lefty]

:lol Josh Smith
:lol lolckets

[DMC]

20-20 for anyone is amazing. Let alone a guard. Absurd numbers by Jennings. Drummond continues to tear it up as well. Drummond's pnr play really opens up their game.

Blair had it in OKC. See how that worked out.

[JamStone]

Their D is terrible(which is expected with Monroe in your frontcourt, and a backcourt of Jennings/Meeks), but that offense has been dominant..

Jennings is playing at a level that he has never even sniffed in the past, though..I'm still not fully convinced it's not just a hot stretch, but I guess SVG could be the first coach to finally reach him..

They don't have good individual defenders with the exception of KCP and Drummond (more athleticism than technically sound defense) and arguably Jerebko (but he's more average defender who hustles really hard than actually a good defender). But in this 15 game stretch, they actually have played good team defense. It has started to level off quite a bit after the first 10 or so games when it was a top 5 defense in that stretch. Now since the release of Josh Smith, the Pistons defense numbers are 97.4 opponent PPG which would rank 7th in the league, 45.2% opp FG% which would rank 17th (this is the stat that leveled off after the beginning of the streak), and 31.4% opponent 3P% which would rank 3rd in the league. They still give up a lot of lay-up and dunks, as you suggested in large part to Greg Monroe's inability to rotate and recover or contest shots near or at the rim.

As for Jennings, he's always had talent, the good handle, quickness and playmaking. And he's still taking bad shots, or at least what would appear to be bad shots. But there's definitely a different approach in his game. While some of shots still look like bad attempts, he's forcing shots much less than he used to. And he doesn't get down on himself or his team if he's missing shots. He doesn't have a problem when he's taken out of the game. He's cheering teammates when he's on the bench. More than anything, seems like there's been a huge attitude adjustment. During this stretch, he has had quite a few games where he's just gotten hot from the field. That and the team winning can obviously do a lot for a player's confidence and attitude. And maybe it's just as simple as that. Winning cures a lot of ills. Other than that reasoning, it's really rather inexplicable if you think about it.

[Red Hawk #21]

I'm happy for the Pistons but I'm amazed as well. Was Josh Smith holding them back that much?! I'm gunna go downstairs to the Pistons Forum :lol haven't been there in years tbh...

[UZER]

I'm happy for the Pistons but I'm amazed as well. Was Josh Smith holding them back that much?! I'm gunna go downstairs to the Pistons Forum :lol haven't been there in years tbh...

it's the same thing with melo. Phil did not want that dude on his team and did everything he could to let it be known without saying it.

The Knicks can't move forward until melo is gone.

[Thread]

it's the same thing with melo. Phil did not want that dude on his team and did everything he could to let it be known without saying it.

The Knicks can't move forward until melo is gone.

At least Anthony didn't try a career change as he pushed 70 years old.

Jackson owned up to it. Let him.

[TDfan2007]

Blair had it in OKC. See how that worked out.

Pretty well considering he's still a contract player in the NBA who makes millions. 20-20 is amazing, no matter who doesn't. Doesn't mean that player is a GOAT or anything.

[313]

Would be nice if the Pistons could win a championship again anytime soon. I can't go to the Parades down in SA, so I might as well root for the home team bring one back to the city.

[313]

At least Anthony didn't try a career change as he pushed 70 years old.

Jackson owned up to it. Let him.
Back already? Just in time for the quit

[Thread]

Back already? Just in time for the quit

Yeah, yeah, yeah, now tell me how they're better without him. Go on, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Asshole.

[RsxPiimp]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, now tell me how they're better without him. Go on, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Asshole.

CHARGE!!!

[DMC]

Pretty well considering he's still a contract player in the NBA who makes millions. 20-20 is amazing, no matter who doesn't. Doesn't mean that player is a GOAT or anything.

Blair could do the same without the 20/20 performance.

[DMC]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, now tell me how they're better without him. Go on, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Asshole.
The point is they are no better with him, and that extra 50m for 2 years could have paid for 2 really quality players who don't fake injuries.

[Killakobe81]

The point is they are no better with him, and that extra 50m for 2 years could have paid for 2 really quality players who don't fake injuries.

Mehh but then we couldn't tank properly.
And why would he need to fake a injury?
YOu and Mid are funny you predicted injury (or faking of one) for a broken down wrong side of 35 star who has played more playoff minutes than all but a handful of player in league history.

your a bunch of regular Nostrafuckendamus ...yall got some lotto numbers for me to play?

[DMC]

Mehh but then we couldn't tank properly.
And why would he need to fake a injury?
YOu and Mid are funny you predicted injury (or faking of one) for a broken down wrong side of 35 star who has played more playoff minutes than all but a handful of player in league history.

your a bunch of regular Nostrafuckendamus ...yall got some lotto numbers for me to play?

I'm guessing you never graduated high school.

Regardless, you illiterate fuck, you don't need to tank if you have enough talent to compete. Kobe is the REASON you need to tank. You cannot afford developed talent, you have to rely now on entry level salaries to get you there. When is the last time the Lakers won a championship with an entry level guy as it's best player? Even Magic had Kareem. Shaq wasn't entry level, and Kobe was on the bench how many years before daddy asked him to dance?

[Thread]

The point is they are no better with him, and that extra 50m for 2 years could have paid for 2 really quality players who don't fake injuries.

Another pure & unadulterated asshole take.

[DMC]

Another pure & unadulterated asshole take.

That's 14th speaking. How does it feel to look up and see Lon Babby's asshole in your face?