Kawhi. What's the story? How long is he out for? How bad is the injury? Any progress?

[rasuo214]

Wait Kawhi fans are defending Kawhi? Next thing you know Parker fans will defend Parker, Manu fans will defend Manu etc. Can't have fans supporting their favorite players on the team they support...

[TheGreatYacht]

We've found our SF. The starters finally have someone they can rely on to hit open threes, Austin Daye. Let that injury prone role player walk and max out Jimmy Buckets, tbh

[ElNono]

We've found our SF. The starters finally have someone they can rely on to hit open threes, Austin Daye. Let that injury prone role player walk and max out Jimmy Buckets, tbh

who is Jimmy Buckets? If it's Butler, I read the Bulls will max him out...

[TheGreatYacht]

who is Jimmy Buckets? If it's Butler, I read the Bulls will max him out...
Does he really wanna roll with Kirk Hinrich come playoff time for the rest of his career? He'd flourish here more than he already has

[ElNono]

Does he really wanna roll with Kirk Hinrich come playoff time for the rest of his career? He'd flourish here more than he already has

nothing for him on the Spurs... plus he's overrated as fuck, IMO.

[TheGreatYacht]

nothing for him on the Spurs... plus he's overrated as fuck, IMO.
Na. He can actually live up to the "Lebron Stopper" name without letting him drop 30+ Pts three times in the finals.

[ElNono]

Na. He can actually live up to the "Lebron Stopper" name without letting him drop 30+ Pts three times in the finals.

He would be a decent bench guy in the West, tbh... not worth the max...

[TheGreatYacht]

He would be a decent bench guy in the West, tbh... not worth the max...
He's better than Paul George. Oh, and he can play 40MPG and stay relatively healthy. Unlike a certain someone who plays a career average of 28MPG...

[ElNono]

He's better than Paul George. Oh, and he can play 40MPG and stay relatively healthy. Unlike a certain someone who plays a career average of 28MPG...

I don't think Kawhi is worth the max either... but nobody plays 40mpg in the Spurs, so it's kinda a moot point anyways...

I'll be surprised if he doesn't stay in the East... much easier there.

[loveforthegame]

Only on spurstalk would you find someone who would take Daye over Leonard.

[TheGreatYacht]

I don't think Kawhi is worth the max either... but nobody plays 40mpg in the Spurs, so it's kinda a moot point anyways...

I'll be surprised if he doesn't stay in the East... much easier there.
Pop won't be there for all of Kawhi's career. He's going to have to step up and play man minutes at one point in the future.

Another thing I like about him is that he knows when it's his turn to score and when it's the scoring PG's turn. Unlike Leonard, who seems passive and hides in the shadows most of the time.

[wildchild]

We've found our SF. The starters finally have someone they can rely on to hit open threes, Austin Daye. Let that injury prone role player walk and max out Jimmy Buckets, tbh


So better max Daye because the Spurs can't let Tony go after sign that toxic contract.

However, if we are looking a SG/SF who can hit 3's...that's guy isn't Jimmy. 31.7 3P% career (Leonard 36.9 %).

[TheGreatYacht]

So better max Daye because the Spurs can't let Tony go after sign that toxic contract.

However, if we are looking a SG/SF who can hit 3's...that's guy isn't Jimmy. 31.7 3P% career (Leonard 36.9 %).
Cojo can't hit threes and he's doing alright here...

Ive seen the Bulls play, Butler doesn't require Kobe-esque ISO's to score, unlike Leonard

[wildchild]

I read the Bulls will max him out...

They said that but nobody can know after playoffs. The player's value increase/decrease after good/bad playoffs.

Jimmy has a great season scoring but he isn't really versatile offensively. It was too easy for opposing teams to neutralize him in every Chicago loss this season. Like yesterday against Wizards.

And what happens to their plan if Butler plays poorly in the playoffs or if the Bulls go out early in first round?

Bulls' owner is cheap and maybe isn't willing to go to tax if needed...That opens the door for plenty of teams.


Ive seen the Bulls play, Butler doesn't require Kobe-esque ISO's to score, unlike Leonard...He's better than Paul George.

Better than a Paul George injured? Better than a Kawhi injured? Sure. George/Leonard healthy >>>Butler.

[ElNono]

They said that but nobody can know after playoffs. The player's value increase/decrease after good/bad playoffs.

Jimmy has a great season scoring but he isn't really versatile offensively. It was too easy for opposing teams to neutralize him in every Chicago loss this season. Like yesterday against Wizards.

And what happens to their plan if Butler plays poorly in the playoffs or if the Bulls go out early in first round?

Bulls' owner is cheap and maybe isn't willing to go to tax if needed...That opens the door for plenty of teams.

I've never been high on Butler. I think he's overrated as hell, like I said earlier.

[wildchild]

Only on spurstalk would you find someone who would take Daye over Leonard.

Well, it's not very surprising...

hater, Hoop, TGY are consummate trolls. They try to provoke, irritate people saying meaningless things.

Like "Max Danny, start Belli as SF, and let Kawhi walk" or "Daye is better than Leonard"

We can't take these guys seriously...It's just an annoying game

[Ice009]

Na. He can actually live up to the "Lebron Stopper" name without letting him drop 30+ Pts three times in the finals.

You do know that James scored some of those points when Kawhi was on the bench after getting some very soft/cheap fouls called against him throughout the series right? The same type of foul calls that Lebron hardly ever gets called against him. I'd like to see how much of those points James scored when Kawhi wasn't guarding him, and how much of those points were scored when the game was over.

[wildchild]

You do know that James scored some of those points when Kawhi was on the bench after getting some very soft/cheap fouls called against him throughout the series right?

He knows that, but he will never admit...Haters and trolls never do the right/reasonable/rational things.


I'd like to see how much of those points James scored when Kawhi wasn't guarding him, and how much of those points were scored when the game was over.

Just for example, even when the first two games weren't best Leonard's games still...
http://i.imgur.com/cufd9tql.jpg

And this season...
http://i.imgur.com/0yB5HMYl.jpg

[Mikeanaro]

He knows that, but he will never admit...Haters and trolls never do the right/reasonable/rational things.



Just for example, even when the first two games weren't best Leonard's games still...
http://i.imgur.com/cufd9tql.jpg

And this season...
http://i.imgur.com/0yB5HMYl.jpg
And dont forget that in those first 2 games refs treated Kawhi like shit, he couldnt even breath on Lemorrhoid because it was a hard foul, remember that one in game 2 where Kawhi was so fast that Lebum had to fake he was hit in the eye by KL?

[wildchild]

And dont forget that in those first 2 games refs treated Kawhi like shit, he couldnt even breath on Lemorrhoid because it was a hard foul, remember that one in game 2 where Kawhi was so fast that Lebum had to fake he was hit in the eye by KL?

Yes, Lebron/Durant have the superstar treatment, but fortunately for us, the last games of both series, refs were more impartial or at least less biased



According to TYG, Hoop, hater & Co...it was all "sleeve's fault".

http://i.imgur.com/CPYEit4.jpg

[Sean Cagney]

Still don't get the Kawhi hate on here???

But then again it is ST. I never got the Manu or Tony hate on here either.
I agree with you 100% man, I got love for all of them and wonder where the hate comes from? Kawhi especially since he is not in that international debate idiots seem to have for their fellow countrymen, they either hate Manu or Tony it seems and stay true to that. I never will get it? Some fans seem to just be a fan of a player and not a full team like me and you are.
Yes, Lebron/Durant have the superstar treatment, but fortunately for us, the last games of both series, refs were more impartial or at least less biased



According to TYG, Hoop, hater & Co...it was all "sleeve's fault".

http://i.imgur.com/CPYEit4.jpg
They knew it was over that is why, they could not stop the Spurs from shooting the lights out and beating the shit outta the media darling teams so they finally called it fairly and just gave up :lol No reason to cheat the Spurs last year, they were going to win regardless.

[Ice009]

Yes, Lebron/Durant have the superstar treatment, but fortunately for us, the last games of both series, refs were more impartial or at least less biased


I still think Kawhi definitely got called for some very, very soft fouls. I'm not just talking about the first two games. Most of the calls were technically fouls, but very cheap ones that I hardly ever seen Lebron get called for. If the Spurs didn't have such an overall great team performance, then those fouls may have made a big difference to the series. At the end of games, Lebron has like 2 fouls, yet Kawhi had to sit for stretches because of some ticky tack bullshit. The refs did try and take him out of the series early, make no mistake about that. Spurs and Kawhi came back though with a monster team performance in the last 3 games of the series.

[loveforthegame]

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A pic of him shooting in practice. Pop says he'll graduate to 2 on 2 soon.

[Mel_13]

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[silverblackfan]

Great news! Kyle can teach him some stuff. :lol

[look_at_g_shred]

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[Budkin]

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[Dre_7]

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In the words of Daniel Bryan:

YES! YES! YES! YES!



I CAN'T wait to see Kawhi back in the lineup!

[Brazil]

fucking good news !!

damn we are close to have a healthy roster :tu

[lefty]

MVP !!!!!


RIP NBA :lol

[Mugen]

will be interesting to see how the offense shifts once Kawhi is back. When he was healthy, there was a concerted effort to get him more involved with mixed results. Once he's back, I wonder if Pop goes back to it or we see him relegated to elite role player status again like last regular season...even I'm not sure what I'd like to see...tbh......

[Mugen]

I'm guessing Friday debut against Portland? Maybe hold him out until a weaker opponent like the Jazz on Sunday?

[hater]

hopefully kawhi will remain healthy for the rest of the season. doubtful for the chinadoll thou

[Ice009]

will be interesting to see how the offense shifts once Kawhi is back. When he was healthy, there was a concerted effort to get him more involved with mixed results. Once he's back, I wonder if Pop goes back to it or we see him relegated to elite role player status again like last regular season...even I'm not sure what I'd like to see...tbh......

I'd just like to see whatever keeps him healthy.

[EVAY]

will be interesting to see how the offense shifts once Kawhi is back. When he was healthy, there was a concerted effort to get him more involved with mixed results. Once he's back, I wonder if Pop goes back to it or we see him relegated to elite role player status again like last regular season...even I'm not sure what I'd like to see...tbh......

Couldn't have said this better myself.

I truly can't figure out what the best thing would be. You are absolutely right that the early results were mixed, at best, but at the time I thought there were at least two contributing factors to that:

1) Tiago being out early in the year, and Tiago is more important to a smoothly functioning Spurs offense than lots of folks realize.

2) The Spurs' offense has been so set for so long that MOST of the starters really didn't seem to know what to do with themselves when the coaches were trying to change the offensive set to include more scoring from the three position than has historically been the case.

Those two factors are undoubtedly why some of the turnovers were occurring early in the season, but none of us can be sure that there was enough time to see if it would eventually work out or not. Between the pink eye and the hand injury, there has been little time to get all the starters comfortable with a new set that includes or centers around Kawhi, and now I don't know if they can afford the losses that may come with the 'learning curve' until it gets done.

That 'corporate knowledge' thing can apparently be a two-edged sword.

[rasuo214]

Probably depends on 2 factors:

1. Kawhi's health.
2. How well Tony Parker is playing.

[Hemotivo]

Kyle Anderson must play more

Kiwi is not healthy

[Mugen]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_bazwyKf2FDM/SS8lqK10zaI/AAAAAAAABCI/PZUi8ZHUJ2c/s400/elderly-man-staring-out-window.gif

[wildchild]

I wonder if Pop goes back to it or we see him relegated to elite role player status again like last regular season...

If he isn't 100% healthy, if his hand doesn't work completely well and affects his shooting, he'll lose his new prominent offensive role, but he can still help the team, playing elite defense and rebounding.

"I'm sure about what I'd like to see"...the guy of the four games last West Coast road trip, a beast on both ends.
Leonard is certainly capable of handling more offensive responsibility, and the team need that he assume a bigger role.

[rasuo214]

Kawhi did pretty good the 2 games he played with an injured hand, only thing off was 1st quarter shooting.

[apalisoc_9]

He will be out tom...

My guess, he starts playing against UTAH. or around the 20th...

[Silver&Black]

Every ST user the day Kawhi comes back:

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z261/TheAceRock/RandyMarshJizz.jpg?t=1246916211

[Cloud786]

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[spurs10]

:bobo

[DMC]

How's this going? Exactly. When the team has fundamental issues, it's never one thing, never.

[ducks]

Bo

[spursistan]

Folks act like there are no precedents to his weird ass healing process..Have said it many times that his immune system must be at the lowest of human tiers..

[Play Boban]

Folks act like there are no precedents to his weird ass healing process..Have said it many times that his immune system must be at the lowest of human tiers..
Meanwhile, this dude was frolicking around China all offseason smh. Probably contracting foot and mouth disease, lice, lime disease, among others. :wakeup

[BackHome]

Or he could have more damage then we know and maybe will have to have surgery this offseason

[Keepin' it real]

Meanwhile, this dude was frolicking around China all offseason smh. Probably contracting foot and mouth disease, lice, lime disease, among others. :wakeup

:cry

[Play Boban]

:cry
I’m just keepin’ it real. Enjoy your fantasy.

[Ice009]

Or he could have more damage then we know and maybe will have to have surgery this offseason

I forgot I made this thread. He really is a slow/weird healer. His body is fucking weird, and I didn't think you can have surgery for tendonosis?

I really do wonder what his nutrition and diet is like. Maybe he's taking the wrong combination of things, because from my own experience if you've got your nutrition right, then healing usually is much quicker for most things. Not sure about stuff like tendonosis, though, as I've never really had it before.

[UZER]

Maybe he's gonna be shut down soon and they've known the entire time, but they just wantrd to tell the fans they "gave it a go".

[Ice009]

Maybe he's gonna be shut down soon and they've known the entire time, but they just wantrd to tell the fans they "gave it a go".

Well, I hope not, that would be a terrible way to do it.

[Reck]

Maybe he's gonna be shut down soon and they've known the entire time, but they just wantrd to tell the fans they "gave it a go".

Damn, what a waste.

Is he ever going to be the same or are we looking at a Ming/Rose/Roy situation?

[Keepin' it real]

Damn, what a waste.

Is he ever going to be the same or are we looking at a Ming/Rose/Roy situation?

Those guys never won anything. At least Leanord helped bring :lobt2:#5.

[spurs10]

Probable for tomorrow 12/26. Green too. Will this be our first game with the full team? Although if he can only play 20 minutes it doesn't tell us much.

[daslicer]

Those guys never won anything. At least Leanord helped bring :lobt2:#5.

This is true regardless of what happens to his career he did get us a ring so it's not as depressing as a Ming/Rose/Roy situation.

[Play Boban]

Bonner got us two Rings tbh. Kawhi has some catching up to do. :wakeup

[daslicer]

Bonner got us two Rings tbh. Kawhi has some catching up to do. :wakeup

Rasho also gave us 2 so you are right.

[Emperor]

Rasho also gave us 2 so you are right.

Only one. '05.

[spurs10]

Bonner got us two Rings tbh. Kawhi has some catching up to do. :wakeup Yeah he 'got' them for us! :lol

[daslicer]

Only one. '05.

That's right I forgot he was not on the '07 squad.

[cutewizard]

Splitter gave us 1....

Diaw too.

[cutewizard]

:bobohahaha

[Stabula]

Over reactions

[SPURt]

Over reactions
Isn’t “Spurstalk” Spanish for “over reaction”?

[gospursgojas]

Itll be fun to see LMA and Kawhi run into each other on offense and the others not really know what to do. And settle for a weird Danny Green jumper with 4 secs left on shot clock.

[ElNono]

He dieded IMO

[emanueldavidginobili]

Right now he’s a shell of himself defensively

[Ice009]

Right now he’s a shell of himself defensively

Yeah, right now he defense is the worst it's ever looked. He's making Gilbert Areana's analogy seem like Gilbert was taking it easy on him with his assessment.

[duncan2k5]

Jesus christ the guy is fine... I can tell you guys have never played basketball, let alone never has a serious injury... Defense is always harder on the body than offense... The guy has been out for months... He isn't gonna be back to last years for in the span of a couple games where he only has been playing 15 minutes... Come on now...

[dbreiden83080]

Played very well yesterday and all we need to look at is his minutes. 26 last night that is encouraging. Just needs to start feeling like himself.

[Ice009]

Jesus christ the guy is fine... I can tell you guys have never played basketball, let alone never has a serious injury... Defense is always harder on the body than offense... The guy has been out for months... He isn't gonna be back to last years for in the span of a couple games where he only has been playing 15 minutes... Come on now...

I should have said that he's probably taking it very easy on defense, may have even been instructed to take it easy by the team, but Kawhi taking it easy on defense usually doesn't look this bad. I guess I am surprised because I've never ever seen him at such a low level defensively before.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Jesus christ the guy is fine... I can tell you guys have never played basketball, let alone never has a serious injury... Defense is always harder on the body than offense... The guy has been out for months... He isn't gonna be back to last years for in the span of a couple games where he only has been playing 15 minutes... Come on now...

Nobody is saying that he won't come around, but his defense is currently lacking. His timing is off. Last night there were 3 different occasions that he went for the steal and just missed and was pissed at himself. I have no doubt that he will improve, but last night there were several times that the Nets attacked him. That never happens to THE CLAW!

[tholdren]

Jesus christ the guy is fine... I can tell you guys have never played basketball, let alone never has a serious injury... Defense is always harder on the body than offense... The guy has been out for months... He isn't gonna be back to last years for in the span of a couple games where he only has been playing 15 minutes... Come on now...

Youre a moron. Defense harder on the body than offense....

[ducks]

Cavs,raptors and Boston 10 losses each
Rockets Gs 7 Spurs 11
Boston plays rockets tomorrow one will have another loss
Spurs fine Leonard played less the 96 minutes two full games