Why are the New York Bricks so Bad?

[Red Hawk #21]

They fucking suck. This is a Carmelo Anthony led team that has somehow managed to be 5-30 in the Leastern Conference. This shit is unbelievable at this point. Discuss.

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[sook]

serious nepotism PJ had going there with the Dick Fisher hire, have no clue why he didn't trade Melo the cancer either.

[Malik Hairston]

Minimal talent, horribly constructed, and Carmelo doesn't look too good this year, too..

Unlike current Kobe, Josh Smith, etc, I don't think the Knicks would be better without Carmelo, they would probably be even worse, somehow:lol..you would just be replacing him with even worse chuckers like JR Smith, Hardaway, etc..

I figured Fisher wouldn't be a good coach, but can't blame him for this, they have absolutely no talent..a lot of aging vets that don't impact the game..

[m>s]

No talent and Carmelo isn't a winner on his own. He's the type who can be a complementary player on a winner like team USA but he damn sure can't lead one himself

[Biernutz]

They are trying to run the triangle but they don't have the players to do it so it is what it is.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

They don't have any talent outside of Carmelo and defensively they can't guard their way out of a wet paper bag.

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They are trying to run the triangle but the don't have the players to do it so it is what it is.

I said it first, Nutzy. Me.

[Biernutz]

I said it first, Nutzy. Me.

on this thread.........

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on this thread.........

No. PERIOD

[Kool Bob Love]

Tanking.

[Franklin]

Carmelo-led team, which speaks for itself.

[Clipper Nation]

Fatmelo is trash.

[Mr Bones]

They're horrible, but Jackson didn't inherit much when he took over either, so it's hard for me to criticize them yet. I'm gonna give him at least another year to move in the right direction. To me, that would start with trading Melo for a package of players and picks & getting rid of JR Smith. Stoudemire and Bargnani both come off the books after this year, so Jackson has a big opportunity to lure free agents and make moves.

[DMC]

Phil went to NY to bring Melo to LA. Melo flew out and said "Fuck this" and left. Melo won't touch LA until Kobe leaves. Phil doesn't give two shits about NY.

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They're horrible, but Jackson didn't inherit much when he took over either, so it's hard for me to criticize them yet. I'm gonna give him at least another year to move in the right direction.

You're much too kind, Bones.

This is on Phil. Let him carry it. He had the salad days in Chicago & Los Angeles.

Just who the fuck does he think he is? He's going to change career paths pushing 70? He is getting everything that is coming to him.

[-21-]

You're much too kind, Bones.

This is on Phil. Let him carry it. He had the salad days in Chicago & Los Angeles.

Just who the fuck does he think he is? He's going to change career paths pushing 70? He is getting everything that is coming to him.

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[Budkin]

D. Fish getting his comeuppance for selling his soul all those years.

[LkrFan]

Tanking.This. And Fish is threatening to sit Melo the rest of the year to ensure the tank is done right. Bald head fucka! :lol

[davethedope]

never seen anything like this in going on 30 years now...

last time we had drafted an all-time player was in the 80's

the "why" really doesn't matter at this point

[BillMc]

D. Fish getting his comeuppance for selling his soul all those years.

The Devil: "I will give you .4, but you must coach the Knicks someday."

[phoenix219]

Should have kept building around Amare and the young guys. He was putting up MVP numbers until they gutted half the team for Melo's payday and extra year, when he could have just walked to NY in the off season.

[Jacob1983]

They just suck. Haven't been good or competitive since the 1990s.

[Strange Love]

They just suck. Haven't been good or competitive since the 1990s.

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^Remember that time Grandmama hit that 4 pointer and somebody had gotten the shot of it from up in the rafters at MSG? The whole place raised up as one. Incredible.

[Spurs9]

They should still be much better than the other "bad" knicks teams with the roster.

[Red Hawk #21]

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[Red Hawk #21]

This debacle going on with the Knicks makes me wonder how Carmelo Anthony seems to get a pass in this situation. Can you imagine how much scrutiny LeBron James would get if his team was 5-31? That shit would be on BSPN (And pretty much every other major sports network) almost 24/7. Look at how much Lebron and the Cavs are being talked about right now while being 19-15. Sure 19-15 isn't great and they're definitely underachieving at this point, but that's still so much better than Melo's NY Bricks. Yet I rarely hear anyone say anything about Melo. Why is this?

[Venti Quattro]

This debacle going on with the Knicks makes me wonder how Carmelo Anthony seems to get a pass in this situation. Can you imagine how much scrutiny LeBron James would get if his team was 5-31? That shit would be on BSPN (And pretty much every other major sports network) almost 24/7. Look at how much Lebron and the Cavs are being talked about right now while being 19-15. Sure 19-15 isn't great and they're definitely underachieving at this point, but that's still so much better than Melo's NY Bricks. Yet I rarely hear anyone say anything about Melo. Why is this?

Because LeBron is a winner and Carmelo isn't. When winners don't do well it is much talked about. There is expectation on LeBron while losing is a routine for Carmelo.

[100%duncan]

^Pretty much

[Killakobe81]

but, but Lakers didnt sign Melo ...
Like I said a good player maybe even borderline great ...
But I wouldn't have paid max money to anyone not named Durant, Lebron and ANthony Davis.
Not Dwight, not Melo, not Kobe.

Many on here said you HAVE to pay Dwight/Melo, the max ...no you DON'T. Yes, that is the going rate and Kobe/Melo/Dwight won't sign for less but you could let those guys walk. Kobe was paid because of financial reasons the max and maybe so was Melo but at lest Kobe has won, was a rookie for Lakers etc.

Told y'all it would have been a huge mistake so we dodged a bullet as did Bulls, Rox, and Mavs. I like him wish him well but max money for stars over 30 plus is crazy. It's very likely (though I dont think he is done or hit a cliff) that Lebron will be vastly overpaid at the end of his next max contract. We will see how he ages.

[Killakobe81]

But I would still do it pay max for Lebron for the last 3 years of his prime even if he is turd the last two (of a 5 year deal)

[100%duncan]

but, but Lakers didnt sign Melo ...
Like I said a good player maybe even borderline great ...
But I wouldn't have paid max money to anyone not named Durant, Lebron and ANthony Davis.
Not Dwight, not Melo, not Kobe.

Many on here said you HAVE to pay Dwight/Melo, the max ...no you DON'T. Yes, that is the going rate and Kobe/Melo/Dwight won't sign for less but you could let those guys walk. Kobe was paid because of financial reasons the max and maybe so was Melo but at lest Kobe has won, was a rookie for Lakers etc.

Yold y'all it would have been a huge mistake so we dodged a bullet as did Bulls, Rox, and Mavs. I like him wish him well but max money for stars over 30 plus is crazy. It's very likely (though I dont think he is done or hit a cliff) that Lebron will be vastly overpaid at the end of his next max contract. We will see how he ages.

You act like your franchise haven't done the same mistake to a more broken down superstar :lol And legacy doesn't matter if you're talking about real max worth

[Killakobe81]

You act like your franchise haven't done the same mistake to a more broken down superstar :lol And legacy doesn't matter if you're talking about real max worth

Read what I said again, 100 ... But I wouldn't have paid max money to anyone not named Durant, Lebron and ANthony Davis.
Not Dwight, not Melo, not Kobe.

Apparently you missed that. My point again (for the reading impaired) is I get WHY teams do it (marketing) ...I was arguing (which I have since the new CBA) ...why you should NOT.

For the record, I was arguing Lakers should have fought/convinced Kobe to take 15 million but understood he would get at least 19-20 ...
At 24 per I thought it was horrible even if Kobe was 100% healthy.

[100%duncan]

Read what I said again, 100 ... But I wouldn't have paid max money to anyone not named Durant, Lebron and ANthony Davis.
Not Dwight, not Melo, not Kobe.

Apparently you missed that. My point again (for the reading impaired) is I get WHY teams do it (marketing) ...I was arguing (which I have since the new CBA) ...why you should NOT.

For the record, I was arguing Lakers should have fought/convinced Kobe to take 15 million but understood he would get at least 19-20 ...
At 24 per I thought it was horrible even if Kobe was 100% healthy.

How does this ^ make any bearing to what I posted? I just found your original comment funny since it seemed that the Lakers were too smart not to sign melo at max when they already made the same, might be worse, mistake the season before.

[Killakobe81]

How does this ^ make any bearing to what I posted? I just found your original comment funny since it seemed that the Lakers were too smart not to sign melo at max when they already made the same, might be worse, mistake the season before.

Too smart? We tried to sign him which would have been stupid. I dont get why that is funny when the OP is discussing Melo, not Kobe. Yet because it ALWAYS comes back to Kobe I mentioned that he was not worth the max either. And even though the Kobe extension was dumb it was only two years. TO get Melo to stay we would have to pay him 5 years at max. Knicks paid him for 6. That is the mistake I am referring to for a player over 30. Kobe's contract is dumb based on age and court value. But at least it's only two years. and as spotty as he is playing at least he is playing ...

I'll say it again only players I am willing to fork over a max to (YEARS AND CONTRACT) is Durant/Melo/Davis. Harden, Blake, Kiwi, Steph and a few others are just outside that and I because some are young you can make argument to pay them that but the 3 I mention are the only ones I do it o with no hesitation.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

100% is a 100% retard

[100%duncan]

Would a retard trade Green and Diaw for Shumpert tbh? :lol

[100%duncan]

Too smart? We tried to sign him which would have been stupid. I dont get why that is funny when the OP is discussing Melo, not Kobe. Yet because it ALWAYS comes back to Kobe I mentioned that he was not worth the max either. And even though the Kobe extension was dumb it was only two years. TO get Melo to stay we would have to pay him 5 years at max. Knicks paid him for 6. That is the mistake I am referring to for a player over 30. Kobe's contract is dumb based on age and court value. But at least it's only two years. and as spotty as he is playing at least he is playing ...

I'll say it again only players I am willing to fork over a max to (YEARS AND CONTRACT) is Durant/Melo/Davis. Harden, Blake, Kiwi, Steph and a few others are just outside that and I because some are young you can make argument to pay them that but the 3 I mention are the only ones I do it o with no hesitation.

Of course it won't be funny for you since you're a laker fan, relax :lol I'm off the Kobe hate lately, especially with the not-fouling issue I'm with him on that side tbh :lol

[Killakobe81]

Of course it won't be funny for you since you're a laker fan, relax :lol I'm off the Kobe hate lately, especially with the not-fouling issue I'm with him on that side tbh :lol

i am relaxed. My point was nothing I said was funny you can laugh at Kobe or Lakers all you want, no longer bothers me. I speak Laker facts even on Kobe. All i want is the pick I dont give a shit about Kobe's legacy clutch rating etc. Legacy is already established, clutch is dependent on greatplay-calls as well as a great player. We have a once great now far past his prime great player and a mediocre coach. I dont expect to win many close games and since I want the pick I am cool with that.

A loss last night would have helped though ...

[Mr Bones]

Overpaying a good player with the salary of a franchise player is the surest way to cripple a team in this salary tax era. The Knicks have made that mistake twice now, first with Amare, and now with Melo. Look at a team like Atlanta: they have good players who make fair salaries or are bargains. Paul Millsap at this point might actually be better than Melo, and he's making 9.5 mil this year. Teague makes $8 mil, Korver makes $6, and DeMarre Carroll makes $2.5. Melo's making 22.4 mil-- more than Millsap, Teague, and Carroll combined. Melo also makes more than Duncan, Ginobili, and Leonard combined. The Knicks have been terrible at drafting and finding free agent bargains, and that combined with having too many players who are bad or disinterested defenders (Melo, Amare, Calderon, JR Smith, Bargnani) guarantees that their horrible record will stay horrible...

[100%duncan]

Overpaying a good player with the salary of a franchise player is the surest way to cripple a team in this salary tax era. The Knicks have made that mistake twice now, first with Amare, and now with Melo. Look at a team like Atlanta: they have good players who make fair salaries or are bargains. Paul Millsap at this point might actually be better than Melo, and he's making 9.5 mil this year. Teague makes $8 mil, Korver makes $6, and DeMarre Carroll makes $2.5. Melo's making 22.4 mil-- more than Millsap, Teague, and Carroll combined. Melo also makes more than Duncan, Ginobili, and Leonard combined. The Knicks have been terrible at drafting and finding free agent bargains, and that combined with having too many players who are bad or disinterested defenders (Melo, Amare, Calderon, JR Smith, Bargnani) guarantees that their horrible record will stay horrible...

The Knicks have always been terrible. Their death came then minute they signed Amare.

[Killakobe81]

Overpaying a good player with the salary of a franchise player is the surest way to cripple a team in this salary tax era. The Knicks have made that mistake twice now, first with Amare, and now with Melo. Look at a team like Atlanta: they have good players who make fair salaries or are bargains. Paul Millsap at this point might actually be better than Melo, and he's making 9.5 mil this year. Teague makes $8 mil, Korver makes $6, and DeMarre Carroll makes $2.5. Melo's making 22.4 mil-- more than Millsap, Teague, and Carroll combined. Melo also makes more than Duncan, Ginobili, and Leonard combined. The Knicks have been terrible at drafting and finding free agent bargains, and that combined with having too many players who are bad or disinterested defenders (Melo, Amare, Calderon, JR Smith, Bargnani) guarantees that their horrible record will stay horrible...

this. And a great point. thing that is crazy teams like L.A and New york are overpaying guys to play in the biggest market. which is stupid. I hope Lakers keep missing on paying guys MORE to play in LA ... especially aging stars or undeserving dudes. People on her and on LG mad that we missed on Melo dude is not a max player in new CBA I said last summer and I was proven even more right. Funny thing is Laker haters were hoping he would sign here too ..thank God dude chose elsewhere.

[hater]

duh they signed amare, melo and jr smith

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duh they signed amare, melo and jr smith

Amare is a winner.

The other 2 are losers.

[hater]

Amare is a winner.

The other 2 are losers.

Ok

[Brazil]

Amare is a winner.

The other 2 are losers.

Amare is a winner ?

wtf

[Mr Bones]

I can honestly say there's not one guy on that team I'd want. Maybe Cole Aldrich as a 5th big for slightly above the minimum. That's it.

[DPG21920]

Phil started by making one of the dumbest trades of the past couple years (the other being a Knick trade where they gave up a 1st rounder to take on Bargnani :lol). He not only got rid of their best player in Chandler, but took on more money long-term (they will still have cap space assuming they don't trade for a Joe Johnson/Dwill type) but it was a bad trade all around.

:lol Phil on Twitter trying to defend it saying "you evaluate trades in 5 years windows". Ok.

[Expert]

Too smart? We tried to sign him which would have been stupid. I dont get why that is funny when the OP is discussing Melo, not Kobe. Yet because it ALWAYS comes back to Kobe I mentioned that he was not worth the max either. And even though the Kobe extension was dumb it was only two years. TO get Melo to stay we would have to pay him 5 years at max. Knicks paid him for 6. That is the mistake I am referring to for a player over 30. Kobe's contract is dumb based on age and court value. But at least it's only two years. and as spotty as he is playing at least he is playing ...

I'll say it again only players I am willing to fork over a max to (YEARS AND CONTRACT) is Durant/Melo/Davis. Harden, Blake, Kiwi, Steph and a few others are just outside that and I because some are young you can make argument to pay them that but the 3 I mention are the only ones I do it o with no hesitation.
it always comes back to Kobe says the guy with Kobe in his name posting on a Spurs forum about the Knicks.

[Expert]

Amare is a winner.

The other 2 are losers.was this before or after he took himself out of the playoffs by punching a fire extinguisher glass case?

[Expert]

this. And a great point. thing that is crazy teams like L.A and New york are overpaying guys to play in the biggest market. which is stupid. I hope Lakers keep missing on paying guys MORE to play in LA ... especially aging stars or undeserving dudes. People on her and on LG mad that we missed on Melo dude is not a max player in new CBA I said last summer and I was proven even more right. Funny thing is Laker haters were hoping he would sign here too ..thank God dude chose elsewhere.
don't worry, the Lakers will find someone to over pay. The fans demand it.

[Koolaid_Man]

don't worry, the Lakers will find someone to over pay. The fans demand it.

Doesn't matter if you use the Expert account or the DMC account. ..your dick is still a widget. ...

[Killakobe81]

it always comes back to Kobe says the guy with Kobe in his name posting on a Spurs forum about the Knicks.

I didnt create the thread ...
This is the NBA forum, a genius like al should know that ...
The Lakers existed before Kobe and will after ...

Because ilike the Lakers or Kobe I cannot discuss the Knicks? Like my boy Deeps says "that doesn't make any sense."

[Killakobe81]

Doesn't matter if you use the Expert account or the DMC account. ..your dick is still a widget. ...

LoL

[Kool Bob Love]

This. And Fish is threatening to sit Melo the rest of the year to ensure the tank is done right. Bald head fucka! :lol

Yessir. Fisher and Jackson, winners that know how to tank. Thank goodness they aren't with the lakers anymore.

[Killakobe81]

Yessir. Fisher and Jackson, winners that know how to tank. Thank goodness they aren't with the lakers anymore.

You sir are unkind ...
As much as I want THE PICK ...LAkers haters dont want us to get it even more than PHX fans ...

[Clipper Nation]

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[djohn2oo8]

Obviously tanking for Okafor

[Venti Quattro]

New York started 2-1. Remember that time when some of us thought they were going to be an okay team after they beat the Cavs in their home opener? They're 3-35 ever since

[Red Hawk #21]

Bricks with 2 wins in a row! They've now reached 7-36...

























































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[Red Hawk #21]

Tbh which of the New York teams has the better future, Bricks or Nyets?

[Red Hawk #21]

Shoutout to the Spurs for managing to lose to the fucking Bricks tonight :wow

[Legacy]

Scrub teams just love to embarrass the Spurs. Oh well...

[DMC]

Shoutout to the Spurs for managing to lose to the fucking Bricks tonight :wow
Look at you, RS champ of the East and acting like you're the heir apparent.

[Malik Hairston]

Look at you, RS champ of the East and acting like you're the heir apparent.

Hes a Warriors fan, tbh:lol..

[TampaDude]

Scrub teams just love to embarrass the Spurs. Oh well...

Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol did the spurs loss on purpose to ruin the knicks lottery?