Anybody have advice on combatting speeding tickets, tbh?

[spurraider21]

Prior to today I had never been pulled over for speeding, am usually pretty good at being a boring/safe driver. Was heading back to LA from Mammoth (about a 5-6 hour drive), and got pulled over on the highway (was a 65 zone). I wasn't below the limit (tbh, on an open-road 2 lane highway, nobody is) but I wasn't going fast enough to fear getting pulled over. Saw the cop going in the other direction, didn't bother slowing down or anything, since I wasn't going at a speed where getting pulled over even seemed plausible. Guess he busted a U and pulled me over about a mile later.

First the guy says he clocked me going 87-88 while we were driving toward each other, and claimed he got me going the same speed with his rear radar (didn't even know that was a thing). There was no chance in hell I was going that fast... or anything near it. Going 88 in a 65 could be cited as reckless driving. He then asks me if I've ever gotten a speeding ticket before (no)... then accuses me of having illegal tints on my windows. I told him I don't have any tints, and he says "oh, ok. you're right these are factory :rolleyes."

He goes back to his car, comes back with a ticket which says he clocked me at 75 :lol... I know the guy is completely full of shit, and after doing a small amount of research I came across this, from a guy who got pulled over with the same shit in the same county.


Had a radar detector and reduced my speed to 65-70. The officer said my speed was 88.
http://www.justanswer.com/traffic-law/6c94s-hi-recieved-speeding-ticket-inyo-county-mammoth-just.html#ixzz3Nv5Paf8N


What's annoying is, if i wanted to have my day in court, I'd have to go all the way there (about 300 miles), but fuck it, i'll just try to extend and extend and make a trip out of it :lol. There's no way I'm paying this ticket without a fight... worst comes to worst I'll have a trial by declaration. If you were taking this ticket to court, how would you proceed?

[Strange Love]

How cheap are you? Just pay it. You got caught so why are you fighting the ticket for? No matter if you weren't going as fast as he said, you still were over the limit.

As Thread says, pay the ticket, guy.

[spurraider21]

How cheap are you? Just pay it. You got caught so why are you fighting the ticket for? No matter if you weren't going as fast as he said, you still were over the limit.

As Thread says, pay the ticket, guy.
I'm in grad school, so i'm quite cheap. I've also had trips to Las Vegas and Mammoth in the last few weeks, so I'm in no mood to pay another few hundred dollars, particularly if the citation wasn't deserved. I wasn't even going as fast as the 75 I got cited for. I'm not just gna be suckered into a paying for this shit.

[DMC]

I didn't read all that but aren't you studying to become a lawyer? And you're asking random shelve stockers for advice on beating a speeding ticket?

[spurraider21]

I didn't read all that but aren't you studying to become a lawyer? And you're asking random shelve stockers for advice on beating a speeding ticket?
Sure. I don't see which parts of civil procedure, torts, contracts, or legal research/writing (the courses I've taken so far) will really come into play when it comes to this situation.

I'm always open to suggestions from those who have experience in the matter. A shelve stocker who has gotten out of multiple speeding tickets would probably know more on the matter than somebody who has taken a semester of law school and has never argued for a ticket before.

[Franklin]

I've also been living a parsimonious life since my rookie year tbh, so I can pretty well understand it. Sometimes the thugs in uniform just catch you for no reason, shit happens imho. There's no point in appealing against it or going to a law court because shit would screw you up even more, like my nigga SL said, just accept it and pay it. There's no true justice in the society, just a lesson of life you gotta learn.

[lefty]

1. be a hot chick
2. be white (just to make sure you dont get shot for speeding)

[spurraider21]

1. be a hot chick
2. be white
:lol that would have worked while getting pulled over, not so much in court

[thispego]

Defensive driving. ~$25 course fee and 4 hours of your time. Boom. Done.

[spurraider21]

Defensive driving. ~$25 course fee and 4 hours of your time. Boom. Done.
this does nothing for the situation at hand. thanks

[FkLA]

I didn't read all that but aren't you studying to become a lawyer? And you're asking random shelve stockers for advice on beating a speeding ticket?

:lol

What exactly are you going to tell the judge, Philo? I was going 68 not 75? That shits not gonna fly. The cop seems like a power hungry, bottom of the totem pole nigga but you're still fucked. Best case scenario the judge orders you to take the defensive driving class...but then you'd have to make another trip to show you've completed it.

[hehateme]

You can do the usual's people say which is try to extend to a point where the cop can't show up which helps your case, ask for the calibration test date of the radar, things like that. Easiest thing to do though is to take a DD course or try to get deferred adjudication which would probably end up as a probation period.

[HI-FI]

spurraider21, aren't you supposed to be the next Robert Kardashian? Might as well fight it. Personally I'd just pay them their blood money or do DD. Sounds shady but have seen them pull this shit before on friends & family. I told ya, all that skiing and snorting, Sundance style, would catch up to you.

[Thread]

I'd pay "such a person" $300.00 to never come around me & mine again. The part in "A Bronx Tale" is a prime example of this protocol. Pay it. Get away from such negativity as soon as humanly possible so you can once again enjoy your life on your terms.

Contentment is priceless.

[AlexJones]

1. be a hot chick
2. be white (just to make sure you dont get shot for speeding)

....

[spurraider21]

:lol

What exactly are you going to tell the judge, Philo? I was going 68 not 75? That shits not gonna fly. The cop seems like a power hungry, bottom of the totem pole nigga but you're still fucked. Best case scenario the judge orders you to take the defensive driving class...but then you'd have to make another trip to show you've completed it.

there were other cars on the road around me... pickup trucks and SUV's mainly (it was a skiing trip). how the fuck he can be so certain that his radar didn't pick up something else, instead of my small-ass honda civic, in that split second, considering we were driving in opposite directions. it was clear and sunny and he was wearing sunglasses the entire time. he was alone and operating a radar while driving... easy to make a mistake. he told me i was going 88 and then cited me at 75. was he lying then, is he lying now, or both? "doing me a favor" isn't gna cut it.


You can do the usual's people say which is try to extend to a point where the cop can't show up which helps your case, ask for the calibration test date of the radar, things like that. Easiest thing to do though is to take a DD course or try to get deferred adjudication which would probably end up as a probation period.
i'm going to request discovery for everything i can, radar calibration, training, etc. i doubt he will be a no-show, its a small county

spurraider21 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905), aren't you supposed to be the next Robert Kardashian? Might as well fight it. Personally I'd just pay them their blood money or do DD. Sounds shady but have seen them pull this shit before on friends & family. I told ya, all that skiing and snorting, Sundance style, would catch up to you.
i've seen more than one story on the web of people in the same county being told they were going 85+ only to be cited for less. its fishy. if i bring those up to the judge, i can argue there's a systematic flaw in their approach.

I'd pay "such a person" $300.00 to never come around me & mine again. The part in "A Bronx Tale" is a prime example of this protocol. Pay it. Get away from such negativity as soon as humanly possible so you can once again enjoy your life on your terms.

Contentment is priceless.
there's no way i can pay a fee i didn't deserve and feel content about it.

[spurraider21]

also just to add, at no point did i attempt to assault the officer, reach for his weapon, storm out of my vehicle, make sudden movements or quickly reach for my pocket.

and the situation never escalated

[scanry]

A friend of mine got a ticket for going 52 in a 45 zone. I remember her pleading that asshole and that fuck could care less. The smaller counties do this very often. The county judges are just as bad, so i'd just pay the ticket if i were you.

From my experience out in the West, Washington State patrol are the worst. California & Oregon come next. Idaho, Montana & Nevada cops are the laziest.

[DJR210]

If you didn't give the cop a reason to remember you, there's probably 15 things he'd rather be doing that show up to court to contest a petty speeding ticket.

Fight it, I'd say you have an 80% chance the cop doesn't show.

[DMC]

There's no illegal way to beat it that you're going to try, so that leaves legal ways. Hire a lawyer.

[CitizenDwayne]

then accuses me of having illegal tints on my windows. I told him I don't have any tints, and he says "oh, ok. you're right these are factory :rolleyes."

:lol

[thispego]

this does nothing for the situation at hand. thanks

LOL so self-righteous :lol you were speeding, you got caught, pay the fine or do defensive driving and get it expunged from your perfect little record and be done with it. You sound like you don't feel like you deserve a speeding ticket at all, but by your own admission, you were over the limit and were speeding. If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

[apalisoc_9]

Just pay the ticket man. I know it sucks having to pay for something that 90% of people do anyway, but you did go past the limit and that's what matters...

Take responsibility and start driving like an 80 year old. I know it's tough driving slow when everyone else in the road drive 10kmph faster than the limit, but at least you're safe and there's no way they ticket you.

[Trill Clinton]

Pay the ticket.

[spurraider21]

LOL so self-righteous :lol you were speeding, you got caught, pay the fine or do defensive driving and get it expunged from your perfect little record and be done with it. You sound like you don't feel like you deserve a speeding ticket at all, but by your own admission, you were over the limit and were speeding. If you can't do the time don't do the crime.
I'm in California. I can't just take a defensive driving class instead of paying the ticket :lol. It's not a matter of being self righteous

And for everybody saying "pay the ticket" please read the title of the thread :)

[DJR210]

I'm in California. I can't just take a defensive driving class instead of paying the ticket :lol. It's not a matter of being self righteous

And for everybody saying "pay the ticket" please read the title of the thread :)

Did you read my post? I've never plead guilty or no contest to anything other than an expired sticker, but that's obviously not one that makes sense to fight.

Cops don't like to appear in court bro.

[MultiTroll]

Simply the best.
"Mr Ticket"
http://mrtrafficticket.com/wordpress/

It would have to be trial by dec, not sure if he works in the county where Bubba pulled you over.
Worth a phone call to see. Have ticket in front of you when you call. Better yet, email it.

[Koolaid_Man]

Just tell the cops you were speeding away from a pack of niggas that tried to car jack you...problem solved

[apalisoc_9]

I read the OP just fine..

You went over the limit. It doesn't matter if you went over the limit by 10 or by 5..You did.

So pay up and learn.

[spurraider21]

I read the OP just fine..

You went over the limit. It doesn't matter if you went over the limit by 10 or by 5..You did.

So pay up and learn.
Never said in the OP that I was above the limit. So "just fine" would not accurately describe how you read the post. And again, if your advice is "pay the ticket" please read the thread TITLE

[Chomag]

Defensive driving would be a hell of allot of less hassle (and much cheaper) then going to court so I would definitaly do that especially since you do admit that you were over the speed limit but its the speed that you are not agreeing on. but thats just my opinion

There is that off chance that the cop wont show up and case would be dismissed in court but thats a gamble.

[apalisoc_9]

I wasn't below the limit (tbh, on an open-road 2 lane highway, nobody is) but I wasn't going fast enough to fear getting pulled over.

Sure, you weren't going over the limit....

:lmao

[spurraider21]

Sure, you weren't going over the limit....

:lmao
wasn't below the limit =/= was above the limit

use your head

[Trill Clinton]

i'm not sure what advice you were looking for. you don't have many options. either pay the ticket(smart move), defensive driving if thats an option, or take it to court and fight it.

[Brazil]

Tbh last time I had a speeding ticket in the US, cop showed me a print of the radar with my speed. If you had doubts, why didn't you ask proof ?

[Thread]

there's no way i can pay a fee i didn't deserve and feel content about it.

You are dealing with an officer of the court. Whatever he says is law.

Your contentment is not be in the same space with such a liar ever again.

Life is too short, 21.

- "Let it go, Indy, let it go."

- Sean Connery - "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade"

[Blake]

wasn't below the limit =/= was above the limit

use your head

if you weren't below and you weren't over, what's left? Right at the speed limit?

Did you have cruise control on?

[mrsmaalox]

wasn't below the limit =/= was above the limit

use your head

:dizzy

[spurraider21]

i'm not sure what advice you were looking for. you don't have many options. either pay the ticket(smart move), defensive driving if thats an option, or take it to court and fight it.
The thread title makes it clear I'm looking for advice on how to fight it

[spurraider21]

if you weren't below and you weren't over, what's left? Right at the speed limit?

Did you have cruise control on?
Sure why not.

[Thread]

The thread title makes it clear I'm looking for advice on how to fight it

You can't fight it. Whatever the cop says the judge will believe at default.

And he'll show up,,,the days of cops not showing up is long gone. They're on to that tact.

Just take it, 21. You don't have to like it, but, you do have to take it.

[SnakeBoy]

there's no way i can pay a fee i didn't deserve and feel content about it.

Just go to court and tell the judge what you said here. Your Honor, the speed limit was 65 mph and I know I was speeding although I can't say for sure how fast I was going but it sure didn't seem like 75 mph, oh and this cop is a liar. I'm sure the judge will dismiss.

Or you can do what the rest of us do, pay the ticket and take defensive driving online to keep it off your record.

[Koolaid_Man]

Just tell em you running from a black dude...you get cart Blanche like a muthafucker...

[spurraider21]

wasn't funny the first time either

[Koolaid_Man]

Not meant to be...it's all about doing what you gotta do....tell the judge a bunch of blacks were attacking you so you got in your car and sped away fast..works even for me as a black mon....lol

[Blake]

Sure why not.

Well then you should be able to walk right up to the judge without counsel, tell him/her that and be found not guilty.

[spurraider21]

well this thread was of no help :lol

im out

[Blake]

well this thread was of no help :lol

im out

It's pretty simple: you were either speeding or you weren't.

If you were, then suck it up buttercup and pay the fine.

[mrsmaalox]

Sure why not.

You should have told the cop that. I've been stopped once and was a passenger once when my brother was stopped, and when we denied speeding first thing cop asked was "were you using cruise control?" Apparently it carries some weight with them.

[mrsmaalox]

well this thread was of no help :lol

im out
That's because no one knows how to combat a speeding ticket issued when they are not below the speed limit but not above it either :lol

[MultiTroll]

The thread title makes it clear I'm looking for advice on how to fight it
Did you contact Mr. Ticket or do you still want to mentally masturbate with SpursTalk trolls?

[spurraider21]

It's pretty simple: you were either speeding or you weren't.

If you were, then suck it up buttercup and pay the fine.
and if i wasn't? i cant just walk into court and say "i wasn't speeding, the cop is wrong :cry"

hence the thread

[Koolaid_Man]

well this thread was of no help :lol

im out

Just for shits and giggles try the nigga chasing me defense..I promise you will get off. ..

[Blake]

and if i wasn't? i cant just walk into court and say "i wasn't speeding, the cop is wrong :cry"

hence the thread

actually yes you can.

.....unless you were speeding

[SnakeBoy]

well this thread was of no help :lol

im out

When you were making this thread, what did you think was going to happen?

[Blake]

I'm in California. I can't just take a defensive driving class instead of paying the ticket :lol. It's not a matter of being self righteous

And for everybody saying "pay the ticket" please read the title of the thread :)

This says you can go to traffic school to get rid of it:


If you’ve received a traffic ticket, your California county traffic court may allow you to complete traffic school to*dismiss the citation and avoid having points added to your driving record.*

http://www.dmv.org/ca-california/traffic-schools.php

If you think you might lose, then I'd say do this.

[SnakeBoy]

http://ticketassassin.com/

[Thread]

Traffic school is worse than a root canal. I did one good one, up at the mall community room. I kept going to the bathroom and walking the mall. I'd come back stay 20, then window shop for 20 minutes. Otherwise I'd a went out of my mind.

[DisAsTerBot]

this fucker is in law school?????

[spurraider21]

This says you can go to traffic school to get rid of it:



If you think you might lose, then I'd say do this.
you still have the pay for the ticket and then take traffic school afterwards. it removes it from your record (handy for insurance and to keep points low), but you still pay the full ticket AND go to traffic school.

again, i was asking if people here had experience in fighting tickets, what specific strategies they've used in court. i'm not asking for how to proceed

[spurraider21]

actually yes you can.
lol

[DeadlyDynasty]

How Jewish can you be? Pay the ticket, this thread is embarrassing.

[Strange Love]

This thread could've ended with the first post. :lol

[FkLA]

you still have the pay for the ticket and then take traffic school afterwards. it removes it from your record (handy for insurance and to keep points low), but you still pay the full ticket AND go to traffic school.

again, i was asking if people here had experience in fighting tickets, what specific strategies they've used in court. i'm not asking for how to proceed

Bro, read the quote he provided. It clearly says the ticket would be dismissed.

You can't just go up there with a DD certificate though. At least here the judge has to let you know if you qualify for it first, then you'd have to make a return trip at an agreed date to show you've completed it. You probably would qualify though since you mentioned you have a clean record otherwise.

[Blake]

you still have the pay for the ticket and then take traffic school afterwards. it removes it from your record (handy for insurance and to keep points low), but you still pay the full ticket AND go to traffic school.


Court costs =/= ticket costs


What happens if you choose traffic school

In general, if the court lets you go to traffic school for an eligible offense and you complete the course by the due date,*you should not get any points on your driving record. If you have a noncommercial license, a confidential conviction will appear on your driving record. If you have a commercial driver’s license, a conviction will appear on your driving record.*If you agree to go to traffic school, you will have to pay the court an administrative fee. You will also have to pay the traffic school a fee.*

http://www.courts.ca.gov/9410.htm



again, i was asking if people here had experience in fighting tickets, what specific strategies they've used in court. i'm not asking for how to proceed

Well you're being vague on if you feel you're guilty or not.

What do you think a lawyer would tell you?

[Blake]

lol

So you're guilty?

[spurraider21]

Well you're being vague on if you feel you're guilty or not.

What do you think a lawyer would tell you?


So you're guilty?
you are fucking dense. any shmoe can walk into a court and say "i didnt do it"... regardless of whether or not they are innocent. i could have been going exactly 60 mph, but i cant just walk into court, say that, and expect to win. the purpose of this thread was to see if anybody here had contested a speeding ticket, and just pick their mind on how they went about it. instead, here we are

[spurraider21]

Bro, read the quote he provided. It clearly says the ticket would be dismissed.
that's fantastic. i know how traffic school works. you still pay the court the fee, which is essentially the price of the whole ticket. for a basic speeding ticket the base fee is like $35 or something low like that, and the rest is "court fees"

with the court fee + traffic school you are basically playing the full price of the ticket. the good part is it doesn't show up on your record and you don't get a point on your license.

[Malik Hairston]

Usually I'd say fight it, since the cop probably wouldn't even show up and you'll easily get it reduced, tbh, but a 300 mile trip? Just pay the ticket, how is that even a question?:lol..not worth the trip, at all..take the L, son, too much pride..

[FkLA]

:lol

It seems like you want to walk out without paying anything BUT you're completely against the only scenario that might yield that result (going in and saying you weren't speeding). What kind of solutions you were expecting us to respond with?

[spurraider21]

Usually I'd say fight it, since the cop probably wouldn't even show up and you'll easily get it reduced, tbh, but a 300 mile trip? Just pay the ticket, how is that even a question?:lol..not worth the trip, at all..take the L, son, too much pride..
was thinking i could make a trip of it in the spring/summer months after extensions and all :lol

:lol

It seems like you want to walk out without paying anything BUT you're completely against the only scenario that might yield that result (going in and saying you weren't speeding).
i'm not against going in and arguing, but simply walking in and saying "i wasn't speeding" when the cop says "you were speeding" isn't going to get shit done. there are specific ways people contest tickets, and thats what this thread was for. instead its people doing everything except what i asked for :lol

[Malik Hairston]

Didn't look through the 2nd page, did you say how much the ticket is?

[FkLA]

The judge wipp ask for your side of the story after you plead not guilty and say you weren't speeding. Come on, that should be understood already.

[spurraider21]

Didn't look through the 2nd page, did you say how much the ticket is?
not sure tbh, i'll see when it comes in the mail or i contact the court. if the amount is lower than anticipated, it would make the decision easier. friend of mine paid north of $350 for a red light, not sure how speeding typically compares to that. i just think since it was in such an isolated area, they just write up tickets knowing people aren't going to bother to contest, and thats what pisses me off.

[spurraider21]

The judge wipp ask for your side of the story after you plead not guilty and say you weren't speeding. Come on, that should be understood already.
lol.

you're a judge, and somebody contested a speeding ticket. they show up to court. the cop says "i clocked him going 75 on radar." you ask the other guy, he says "i was going 65."

how do you think that ends?

[Blake]

lol.

you're a judge, and somebody contested a speeding ticket. they show up to court. the cop says "i clocked him going 75 on radar." you ask the other guy, he says "i was going 65."

how do you think that ends?

how do you think it ends if you walk in and agree that you were speeding?

Wtf do you want?

[spurraider21]

how do you think it ends if you walk in and agree that you were speeding?

Wtf do you want?
my point is you need to actually make an argument. you cant just walk in and say "i wasn't speeding" or else the judge will just ignore you. this is why i'm asking if anybody here has successfully combatted a speeding ticket before.

instead fuckwads like yourself have just been repeating shit that is of no use

[FkLA]

:lol There's no magical way to beat it. If the cop doesn't show the judge might take your word or he may not. If he does show, it's your word vs his. That's it, those are your options.

[Trill Clinton]

was thinking i could make a trip of it in the spring/summer months after extensions and all :lol


by that time your simple speeding ticket would turn into a warrant. wtf is wrong with you?http://i60.tinypic.com/2d1731z.png

[spurraider21]

by that time your simple speeding ticket would turn into a warrant. wtf is wrong with you?http://i60.tinypic.com/2d1731z.png
:rollin

[leemajors]

not sure tbh, i'll see when it comes in the mail or i contact the court. if the amount is lower than anticipated, it would make the decision easier. friend of mine paid north of $350 for a red light, not sure how speeding typically compares to that. i just think since it was in such an isolated area, they just write up tickets knowing people aren't going to bother to contest, and thats what pisses me off.

They probably scale up the higher you were over the limit, however i dont know about Cali but it would def explain him quoting you high initially. Only thing that i have ever heard of working with any regularity is hoping the cop doesnt show up in court, as djr210 said.

[chunticakes]

Give the ticket to a cop and tell him to approach the cop who cited you. If he gets to him before he turns in the ticket and convinces him, he'll throw out the ticket before it gets logged.

Of course you'd have to obviously know a cop in the area where you got the ticket or at least know someone who knows a cop.

I used to work with a chick who was married to a cop. Every time I'd get a ticket I'd give it to her and she'd give it to her husband who would make it disappear.

[Strange Love]

They probably scale up the higher you were over the limit,

Yep.

[apalisoc_9]

wasn't below the limit =/= was above the limit

use your head

Oh ok so you run at 65 the whole time you were driving the highway? No you didn't...Stop lying bro.

[Chris]

Once you sign the ticket you are agreeing to do business with the police officer, and the citation becomes a contract. Here's a quote which explains it more from a retired judge..


"The CITATION process can be handled much easier; through the mail. When a Police Officer issues you a CITATION, he is actually requesting you to CONTRACT with him! He is alleging that you violated a corporate regulation in writing, which you have accepted by signing and thus requires you to respond.

The Police Officer is instructed to explain that your signature is merely an acknowledgment that you received a copy of the CITATION but in actuality, your signature is notification to the Court and Judge that you have accepted or CONSENTED to this offer to CONTRACT, which also grants the Judge CONSENT; PERSONAM and SUBJECT MATTER jurisdiction over you and the case!

You can cancel that CONTRACT however my rescinding your CONSENT, within three business days of entering into such a CONTRACT. So across the face of the CITATION you should print or type in large print, the following words:

I DO NOT ACCEPT THIS OFFER TO CONTRACT

And

I DO NOT CONSENT TO THESE PROCEEDINGS.

Use blue ink [for admiralty] or purple ink [for royalty]. Admiralty is the Court and Royalty represents your Sovereignty. Either way is appropriate. Sign your signature underneath in blue or purple ink and in front of a Notary and under your signature type: Without prejudice, UCC 1-308. This is another way to declare that you may not be held responsible for this contract pursuant to the Uniform Commercial Code.

Serve Cancelled Citation back it on the Clerk / Court, along with a Certificate of Service, by Certified Mail, Return Receipt Requested. This kills the CITATION; removes your CONCENT and removes the JURISDICTION of the Court, all at the same time. It really is that simple!

NOTE: A Certificate of Service is a letter that first identifies the Citation and then defines how and when you returned the document to the Court and is signed. If not denied, it becomes a truth in commerce by Tacit Procuration.

Remember to keep a copy of everything, in case the Clerk attempts to trash your response, which certainly will not happen with a Certificate of Service or if it is mailed back by the Notary. The Notary is actually a Deputy Secretary of State and is more powerful than the Court Clerk!"

[blkroadrunners]

my point is you need to actually make an argument. you cant just walk in and say "i wasn't speeding" or else the judge will just ignore you. this is why i'm asking if anybody here has successfully combatted a speeding ticket before.

instead fuckwads like yourself have just been repeating shit that is of no use

Like Brazil stated, I'm surprised you didn't at least challenge the officer to review his radar gun - maybe his calibration was off (or most likely BSing).

Just from reading your story though, honestly I'd just pay it and do DD. It just seems like a big hassle burning more gas and time trying to attest the ticket. I remember I was driving at the speed limit of 65, but I passed an unidentified Cop car and the officer pulled me over for go 71. I knew he was BSing, but fortunately the judge dropped my ticket in half and despite myself still on probation (1 month left too), he allowed me to take DD again.

[DisAsTerBot]

lol looking for a special argument for your speeding ticket is pretty fucking retarded.

[Blake]

Once you sign the ticket you are agreeing to do business with the police officer, and the citation becomes a contract. Here's a quote which explains it more from a retired judge..

Rofl contract?

If you don't sign the ticket, the cop can arrest you.

[SnakeBoy]

my point is you need to actually make an argument. you cant just walk in and say "i wasn't speeding" or else the judge will just ignore you. this is why i'm asking if anybody here has successfully combatted a speeding ticket before.

instead fuckwads like yourself have just been repeating shit that is of no use

I posted the link for how to contest a speeding ticket in California. It's fucking step by step and it's still of no use to you? Damn you want to be a lawyer but you're struggling with something that every 16 year old has managed to figure out on their own.

[spurraider21]

I posted the link for how to contest a speeding ticket in California. It's fucking step by step and it's still of no use to you? Damn you want to be a lawyer but you're struggling with something that every 16 year old has managed to figure out on their own.
It's amazing to me that three pages in and people are still missing the boat. I understand the process of a not guilty plea. That link you provided didn't even mention a request for discovery, which you always should do before fighting a ticket.

In the OP I explained the situation and I asked if anybody here has successfully pulled off a defense for a speeding ticket. And if so, how exactly they went about it (ie, do you challenge the radar gun, etc)

[Blake]

In the OP I explained the situation and I asked if anybody here has successfully pulled off a defense for a speeding ticket. And if so, how exactly they went about it (ie, do you challenge the radar gun, etc)

If you want to challenge police methods and equipment, you'd need a lawyer. Even then, from the details you've described, I doubt he would get you out of the ticket completely.

if you go by yourself, unless you have some solid evidence otherwise (like a built-in speed restricter) the court really will fuck you.

ask one of your professors.

[spurraider21]

So to answer the thread title, you could have just said "no."

Thanks

[Trill Clinton]

be in law school but ask for advice from strangers on spurstalk instead of your professors, brehs.

[chunticakes]

People aren't missing the boat man. The thing is no one has bothered to fight a petty speeding ticket. Tap into your fantasy winnings scro. :lol

[SnakeBoy]

It's amazing to me that three pages in and people are still missing the boat. I understand the process of a not guilty plea. That link you provided didn't even mention a request for discovery, which you always should do before fighting a ticket.

In the OP I explained the situation and I asked if anybody here has successfully pulled off a defense for a speeding ticket. And if so, how exactly they went about it (ie, do you challenge the radar gun, etc)

Fuck you're stupid.

1.) Plead not guilty by mail
2.) Request trial by mail
Good chance the ticket will be dismissed, if found guilty then
3.) Request trial de novo
Only then would you file a discovery request

Then you would go to trial and the Judge will probably dismiss the case because he will realize you are a fucking moron for putting so much effort into a petty traffic fine.

[cantthinkofanything]

From what I remember, you need to plead "no contest" and request deferred adjudication and sign up for defensive driving. The county may charge a fee. At your court date, take proof of the defensive driving course with you and they should dismiss the charges.

[SnakeBoy]

From what I remember, you need to plead "no contest" and request deferred adjudication and sign up for defensive driving. The county may charge a fee. At your court date, take proof of the defensive driving course with you and they should dismiss the charges.

He doesn't want to do that. He wants to fight the man, even though he admits he was speeding.

[spurraider21]

you should always request discovery as early as possible. that would allow you to better prepare your trial by mail. and i never admitted to speeding in this thread. and again, court charges + traffic school will cost as much if not more than the ticket itself. the base fee for a speeding ticket is $35, the rest of it is "court fees" which you'd pay anyway with traffic school.

[cantthinkofanything]

He doesn't want to do that. He wants to fight the man, even though he admits he was speeding.

right. that's what the deferred adjudication does. It will start the process to request a hearing. At the hearing, he will bring the defensive driving proof and then have his chance to adjudicate the prosecution. At that point, he'll either win and all charges will be dropped. Or lose and it will automatically get filed on his insurance.

[DisAsTerBot]

be in law school but ask for advice from strangers on spurstalk instead of your professors, brehs.

they probably already laughed at him and told him to pay it tbh

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[DJR210]

It's amazing to think you're still worrying about a fucking speeding ticket.

[Chris]

Rofl contract?

If you don't sign the ticket, the cop can arrest you.

Yes, it's a contract. Are you disputing it's not? Also, I wasn't telling him not to sign the ticket, but how to sign the ticket. Did you even read my post?

[Blake]

So to answer the thread title, you could have just said "no."

Thanks

the advice you've been given that you asked for is to not combat the ticket.

Sorry you don't like it but there's no secret way to beat it. It's not like getting out of jury duty.

Or you could just not have asked for advice on an open messageboard.

[Blake]

Yes, it's a contract. Are you disputing it's not? Also, I wasn't telling him not to sign the ticket, but how to sign the ticket. Did you even read my post?

Neh, simply skimmed your post.........Now that I fully read it, it's even funnier.

and no, a speeding ticket is not a contract. Lolololololol....







































.....lllololoollllllollool

[cantthinkofanything]

the advice you've been given that you asked for is to not combat the ticket.

Sorry you don't like it but there's no secret way to beat it. It's not like getting out of jury duty.

this isn't really true.

There are several ways to "beat it" or get out of it. I've already mentioned the most sure fire (but time consuming process).

But you can either beat it either 1) de facto, 2) procedurally, 3) adjudicating the prosecution, 4) evedencia corpus

but yeah...too much time and effort IMO. Also, you wouldn't ever want to show up again in front of that judge for more serious offenses.

[Chris]

Neh, simply skimmed your post.........Now that I fully read it, it's even funnier.

and no, a speeding ticket is not a contract. Lolololololol....







































.....lllololoollllllollool

Right, you're a dumbass. Carry on then.

[spurraider21]

an open messageboard.
and how would you define this messageboard?

[Blake]

this isn't really true.

No, it's really true there's no "secret" way to beat a ticket.



There are several ways to "beat it" or get out of it. I've already mentioned the most sure fire (but time consuming process).

But you can either beat it either 1) de facto, 2) procedurally, 3) adjudicating the prosecution, 4) evedencia corpus

but yeah...too much time and effort IMO. Also, you wouldn't ever want to show up again in front of that judge for more serious offenses.

Which of those four would you use in this case, counselor?

Walk us through it step by step if you would.

[hehateme]

and how would you define this messageboard?

the gates of hell

[cantthinkofanything]

No, it's really true there's no "secret" way to beat a ticket.



Which of those four would you use in this case, counselor?

Walk us through it step by step if you would.

I already went through the procedure several posts ago. Pretty much step by step.

[Blake]

and how would you define this messageboard?

an open sub forum of a basketball forum

[Blake]

Right, you're a dumbass. Carry on then.

":cry but but someone emailed me that a former judge said it's a contract :cry"

it might be a contract in the loosest old world legal sense but a speeding ticket doesn't fall under contract law.

But please try claiming to the judge that you don't consent to the contract and let me know how it goes for you.

[Blake]

I already went through the procedure several posts ago. Pretty much step by step.

Your way to beat the ticket was to do defensive driving. OP wants completely off the hook.

[resistanze]

:lol Thread of the month candidate...

[Brazil]

:lol Thread of the month candidate...

:lol

I agree... typical thread you should take your loss and move on but pride makes you keep going

[cantthinkofanything]

Your way to beat the ticket was to do defensive driving. OP wants completely off the hook.

Did you even read my advice?

You sign up for the course. When you go to adjudicate the prosecution, you bring proof of enrollment with you. You go through the hearing and in the end, if successful, you beat the case. And you don't have to actually take the course. It's just backup.

[Blake]

Did you even read my advice?

You sign up for the course. When you go to adjudicate the prosecution, you bring proof of enrollment with you. You go through the hearing and in the end, if successful, you beat the case. And you don't have to actually take the course. It's just backup.

The odds that the prosecutor is that stupid are astronomically low.

[cantthinkofanything]

The odds that the prosecutor is that stupid are astronomically low.

They aren't going to have the fucking DA in there. For traffic violations, it's probably just going to be handed over to a clerk or legal assistant. And really, it doesn't have anything to do with relying on the stupidity of the prosecutor. Although, you sure would not want to try to show up one of the main prosecutors in traffic court.

I've already agreed that it's way simpler and easier to just deal with the ticket. But as per the OP question, I did provide stout legal advice that would give him the best chance of beating the case without having to pay an attorney.

[Blake]

They aren't going to have the fucking DA in there. For traffic violations, it's probably just going to be handed over to a clerk or legal assistant. And really, it doesn't have anything to do with relying on the stupidity of the prosecutor. Although, you sure would not want to try to show up one of the main prosecutors in traffic court.

I've already agreed that it's way simpler and easier to just deal with the ticket. But as per the OP question, I did provide stout legal advice that would give him the best chance of beating the case without having to pay an attorney.

the court is gonna wanna see the certificate of completion, not just proof of enrollment.

I don't know anyone anywhere that's slid that by and got away with it. Do you?

[ohmwrecker]

Just pay the fucking ticket and save yourself the headache.

[cantthinkofanything]

the court is gonna wanna see the certificate of completion, not just proof of enrollment.

I don't know anyone anywhere that's slid that by and got away with it. Do you?

OMG, you're slow. You're not trying to con the judge or prosecutor with the proof of enrollment. But to go through the procedure that I outlined, you HAVE to enroll. It's just bullshit red tape that has to be done. Once you beat the case and it's dismissed, you don't have to take the course.

[Blake]

OMG, you're slow. You're not trying to con the judge or prosecutor with the proof of enrollment. But to go through the procedure that I outlined, you HAVE to enroll. It's just bullshit red tape that has to be done. Once you beat the case and it's dismissed, you don't have to take the course.

That's not an actual way to beat the ticket. You're just talking about insurance in case you don't beat it.

and it's not good insurance either. Nobody asks for proof of enrollment. Only proof of completion.

Your plan sucks, tbh.

[cantthinkofanything]

That's not an actual way to beat the ticket. You're just talking about insurance in case you don't beat it.

and it's not good insurance either. Nobody asks for proof of enrollment. Only proof of completion.

Your plan sucks, tbh.

No...if you go through the process to beat the case as I laid out, the court requires proof of enrollment. If you plead "no contest", and then declare deferred adjudication and request for hearing, you will have to have proof of enrollment before they will set the case. Your goal is still to try to beat the case at the hearing.

[Blake]

No...if you go through the process to beat the case as I laid out, the court requires proof of enrollment. If you plead "no contest", and then declare deferred adjudication and request for hearing, you will have to have proof of enrollment before they will set the case. Your goal is still to try to beat the case at the hearing.

No, the court doesn't ever require proof of enrollment.

[cantthinkofanything]

No, the court doesn't ever require proof of enrollment.

Yes, they do.

[Blake]

No...if you go through the process to beat the case as I laid out, the court requires proof of enrollment. If you plead "no contest", and then declare deferred adjudication and request for hearing, you will have to have proof of enrollment before they will set the case. Your goal is still to try to beat the case at the hearing.

do you know what deferred adjudication means?

[Blake]

Yes, they do.

prove it

[cantthinkofanything]

do you know what deferred adjudication means?

If I didn't, I could certainly Google it very quickly. In any event, I would not admit it on a message board.

[cantthinkofanything]

prove it

I do not have that kind of time to waste for you.

[Blake]

I do not have that kind of time to waste for you.

I'm surprised you wasted any time here when there's a discussion about pooping while wearing sunglasses going on

[cantthinkofanything]

I'm surprised you wasted any time here when there's a discussion about pooping while wearing sunglasses going on

That thread must have been too erudite for Spurstalk. So I'm left to clean up ya'lls legal problems. But I'm more than willing to switch gears and get back to the other.

[Blake]

But I'm more than willing to switch gears and get back to the other.

hurry! There's no time for you to waste!