Dion Waiters Traded

[DPG21920]

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[Robz4000]

Looks like OKC got him...

[313]

10/10 thread

[DPG21920]

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[djohn2oo8]

Reggie Jackson could be in trade

[Kawhi]

Reggie Jackson leaving OKC!!!!!!!!!

[Mugen]

Please tell me OKC is trading away that pug lookin' nigga Reggie Jackson.

[DPG21920]

Don't know why OP didn't have this tweet I tried to embed.

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[Robz4000]

Makes Meth an easier match up for the Spurs, especially if the Cavs traded for Porkins.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol okc is doing? slowly destroying itself from the inside and out

[djohn2oo8]

Please tell me OKC is trading away that pug lookin' nigga Reggie Jackson.

Lol Presti if true.

[TDMVPDPOY]

one less monkey teh spurs have to worry about

repeat for spurs?

[313]

:lol OKC trading for a cancerous chucker

[RsxPiimp]

Lebron got his starting PG in Jackson, Kyrie is getting traded :lol

[DPG21920]

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[Robz4000]

:lmao Cavs got JR Smith

[Clipper Nation]

:lol What a pointless trade by both OKC and Cleveland.

[Splits]

Damn OKC can't even afford a Somali

[Mal]

They trade for JR Smith :lmao

[Robz4000]

J.H.U.T.T.

[benstanfield]

Holy shit if both the Cavs and Thunder anchor themselves with albatrosses in the same night :lmao

Trading Jackson for Di:loln Waiters

[313]

Apparently SHump to Cleveland too

[Robz4000]

Cavs also got Shumpert. There goes cat faggot's wet dream...

[hater]

:lol is this for real?????

:lol Cleveland what the truck are they doin thou :lol

[313]

Dion to NY

edit: to OKC

[Mal]

OKC: Waiters
CLE: Smith, Shumpert
NYK: Jackson ?

[Blizzardwizard]

Shumpert traded :lmao

[313]

lmao wait so Cleveland traded Dion Waiters to Oklahoma City in 3-way deal w/ NY for ... JR SMITH?

[DPG21920]

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[Robz4000]

Hopefully Porkins went to the Knicks.

[Splits]

OKC: Waiters
CLE: Smith, Shumpert
NYK: Jackson ?

Woj said 3 Cavs on the way out

Hopefully Shumpert will let JR drive him to Cleveland

[spurraider21]

Hopefully Porkins went to the Knicks.
fuck that. keep him on OKC. as long as Jackson goes, i'm thrilled

[jeebus]

:lol Lebron putting his GM cap on during his bruised labia sitting

[Mal]

Woj said 3 Cas on the way out

Fillers probably

[DPG21920]

I have no idea why OKC would take Dion Waiters for Reggie. Even if Presti knew he couldn't keep Reggie, it's still worth it to keep him for this year and let him walk rather than take back Dion Waiters. Waiters is talented and pretty cheap for this year and next, but you better like him a decent amount to trade away a very solid player.

[dirk4mvp]

Looks like some shit sandwiches got swapped for turd burgers imo

[BatManu20]

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[313]

:lol Lebron putting his GM cap on during his bruised labia sitting
:lmao

[jeebus]

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That last tweet by Woj makes no sense.

[benstanfield]

:lol Irving and Smith chucking up shots
:lol LBJ and Love in the Bowen-Nesterovic role

[D-Wade]

:lolOKC continuing the fine GM work that began with Harden.
And if Bron though Waiters was selfish... :lol J.R. Smith. At least Shump gives them something on D.

[DPG21920]

I get why NY did it and if all they did was give up Shump/JR to get Reggie, that is a great move for Phil. Now, Melo has a massive deal and Reggie will want to get paid, but no matter what, dumping those two for a chance to keep Reggie is a great move.

[jeebus]

:lolOKC continuing the fine GM work that began with Harden.
And if Bron though Waiters was selfish... :lol J.R. Smith. At least Shump gives them something on D.
FK Smith makes Waiters look like Steve Kerr

[Blizzardwizard]

No more BS Reggie Jackson threes in the playoffs :bobo

[benstanfield]

:lol When they find out shump is all NY hype, no better than Marion

[hater]

As long as Harden doesn't end up in OKC I'm ok with those trades :lol

[Blizzardwizard]

No more BS Reggie Jackson threes in the playoffs :bobo

Damnit, spoke too soon :depressed

[DPG21920]

:lolOKC continuing the fine GM work that began with Harden.
And if Bron though Waiters was selfish... :lol J.R. Smith. At least Shump gives them something on D.

Well, I can't blame Presti entirely. His owner is a cheap skate and if he says no LT, what is he supposed to do?

[Robz4000]

Wtf did OKC trade to get Waiters? Did they use that TE?

[313]

Damnit, spoke too soon :depressed
what do you mean?

[LkrFan]

Looks like some shit sandwiches got swapped for turd burgers imo

:lmao

[Chomag]

lmao wtf is this 3-way trade even about!?! These teams cant be this stupid....err can they?

[313]

Wtf did OKC trade to get Waiters? Did they use that TE?
Jackson

[Splits]

It's official:

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[Robz4000]

tspence has spoken

[313]

It's official:

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:lol

[Blizzardwizard]

what do you mean?

Woj just said Jackson might not be involved in any deal..

[024]

Shumpert and Smith for Dion Waiters is a fucking steal

:lol @ Thunder for trading Reggie Jackson for Dion Waiters

[LkrFan]

Knicks going IN on the tank job. Fuck! :lmao

[Robz4000]

Jackson

Woj says he wasn't included.

[313]

lol wtf T spence follows me on twitter

[313]

Woj says he wasn't included.
T Spence has confirmed it

[Splits]

Fucking have FK in 2 fanduel lineups tonight :cry

[Malik Hairston]

Meh, it's a bunch of shitty players in the same deal, tbh..

Jackson sucks, but he's a Spurs-killer, so it would be nice to get him out of there, but he isn't a game-changer for any team..any time that pays him big money is fucking stupid:lol..

[DPG21920]

Have to wait until all details come out, but the only winner here looks like NY. I would say CLE marginally improved, but that's debatable. Deal seems pointless for every team, but I guess OKC wanted a scoring 2 guard with some size vs playing Reggie/WB together and knew they couldn't pay Reggie.

If Reggie isn't invovled, I don't know what to think. If OKC used their TPE, that would be very surprising and I would guarantee they trade someone to get back below that LT line.

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[Mugen]

:lol Bunch of inefficient chuckers switching squads basically tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

Knicks going IN on the tank job. Fuck! :lmao
The Pick stays in Arizona.

[DPG21920]

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[jeebus]

Woj just said Jackson might not be involved in any deal..
That's fuckin weird. On my main newsfeed, I see two of Woj's latest tweets. But when I go to his page, I see one from 15 mins ago that never came up. Fuck you twitter. Stop lowballing me

[cjw]

Knicks getting three guys they're waiving. So Jackson sticks in OKC it appears. Lance Thomas might be the only guy OKC is trading:

Not official by any means, but that math works. OKC had a trade exception from the Thabo sign-and-trade and Cleveland has one from the Bogans deal and a DPE from Varajao:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kfuj2pn


Also:
Steve Popper: Knicks will get lance Thomas, Alex Kirk and Lou Amundsen in the deal - expected to waive all three. Also getting future second rounder.

[DPG21920]

That's fuckin weird. On my main newsfeed, I see two of Woj's latest tweets. But when I go to his page, I see one from 15 mins ago that never came up. Fuck you twitter. Stop lowballing me

There was a temporary issue with Twitter that has been fixed. You should see any new tweets moving forward.

[Chomag]

Retarded east teams just being retarded east teams, they got lucky and found a equally as dumb West team to make this happen.

[Texas_Ranger]

lol on the end the Thunder are gonna trade Lamb and Collison

[DPG21920]

So Knicks do the smart thing (not as good as getting Reggie) and salary dump Shump & JR. Perhaps could have done better, but they are going the safe route and tanking for a good pick plus maximizing salary cap space for next year. Probably will shut down Melo now too..

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol knicks building championship teams in other cities, this is fail

[Budkin]

Thunder would be idiots to get rid of Jackson. Then again... Harden...

[DPG21920]

I would be shocked, shocked if OKC used the TPE for Waiters. They are currently at 75M in salaries and the LT line is what, 77M? Taking on Waiters would put them over the LT line by 2-3M. They would surely not pay tax for Dion Waiters if they weren't willing to for Harden. They would have to be sending someone out or move someone after this.

[Robz4000]

Maybe they're trying to shop Jackson for a 1st? Wonder who'd be retarded enough to bite...

[100%duncan]

We gonna repeat now.

[midnightpulp]

Knicks getting three guys they're waiving. So Jackson sticks in OKC it appears. Lance Thomas might be the only guy OKC is trading:

Not official by any means, but that math works. OKC had a trade exception from the Thabo sign-and-trade and Cleveland has one from the Bogans deal and a DPE from Varajao:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kfuj2pn


Also:
Steve Popper: Knicks will get lance Thomas, Alex Kirk and Lou Amundsen in the deal - expected to waive all three. Also getting future second rounder.

:bang

Hell of a coup for OKC if true. Sure, Dion Waiters isn't anything special, but he's at worst a lateral move to what they have at SG now, so it's a low-risk/high reward gamble.

Meanwhile, the Spurs are standing "pat" like they always do. :rolleyes

[100%duncan]

Oh wait the monkey Jackson is not yet gone? Cancel repeat

[Robz4000]

:bang

Hell of a coup for OKC if true. Sure, Dion Waiters isn't anything special, but he's at worst a lateral move to what they have at SG now, so it's a low-risk/high reward gamble.

Meanwhile, the Spurs are standing "pat" like they always do. :rolleyes

No trade will matter if Leonard isn't 100% tbh.

[Mugen]

:bang

Hell of a coup for OKC if true. Sure, Dion Waiters isn't anything special, but he's at worst a lateral move to what they have at SG now, so it's a low-risk/high reward gamble.

Meanwhile, the Spurs are standing "pat" like they always do. :rolleyes

:lol I wouldn't want Dion Waiters if that's what you're insinuating tbh

[spurraider21]

There was a temporary issue with Twitter that has been fixed. You should see any new tweets moving forward.
do you work for twitter :lol

[Splits]

:lol I wouldn't want Dion Waiters if that's what you're insinuating tbh

Well, he is shooting better than Kobe this years

[DPG21920]

:bang

Hell of a coup for OKC if true. Sure, Dion Waiters isn't anything special, but he's at worst a lateral move to what they have at SG now, so it's a low-risk/high reward gamble.

Meanwhile, the Spurs are standing "pat" like they always do. :rolleyes

Not sure if serious? Sure, if they gave up nothing for Dion, it's a solid gamble. The 2 spot, outside of C is their biggest issue and they could always use some youth/scoring. But Dion is questionably better than Morrow whom they already have and while Dion's upside is better than Morrow's and he's shown flashes, he couldn't find success playing with the easiest superstar to play with in Lebron. Imagine playing with high usuage Westbrook? It's a fine gamble if they didn't give up anything, but it's just that - a gamble.

[313]

Jackson only killed us in all those regular season games. He had one good game in the playoffs iirc but that's it.

[cjw]

Not sure if serious? Sure, if they gave up nothing for Dion, it's a solid gamble. The 2 spot, outside of C is their biggest issue and they could always use some youth/scoring. But Dion is questionably better than Morrow whom they already have and while Dion's upside is better than Morrow's and he's shown flashes, he couldn't find success playing with the easiest superstar to play with in Lebron. Imagine playing with high usuage Westbrook? It's a fine gamble if they didn't give up anything, but it's just that - a gamble.


Anything that takes the ball out of Durant's hands (and Westbrook's when he turns it up) is a good thing. Waiters is a 30% 3pt shooter at best - I'm not sure how much more useful he is than Jeremy Lamb, if at all.

[midnightpulp]

:lol I wouldn't want Dion Waiters if that's what you're insinuating tbh

No, but this Leonard situation has fucked us royally. We have nothing at the SF position right now, and considering he's "weeks away," we'll be pulling our hair out every game night watching Marco and KA get torched for the foreseeable future. Even Danny Green is overwhelmed playing SF.

My main concern right now is just getting into the playoffs. Phoenix is red hot right now and OKC is obviously going to make a push, so a post-season slot is by no means guaranteed. Yet the FO seems content on riding it out.

OKC potentially got a lot better at arguably their weakest position (yeah, Waiters hasn't proven much, but he could very well flourish playing alongside Westbrook and KD, and if he doesn't, they could easily nail him to the bench and continue with Lamb/Roberson, which has worked out pretty well thus far).

[DPG21920]

A lot better? I don't think there is an argument to say they got a lot better unless Dion magically decides he's going to commit 100% to be 6MOY (which he isn't). How can he flourish next to Durant/WB if he couldn't next to Lebron? He hasn't shown the ability or willingness to play off the ball and he's not a very good shooter which makes that even tougher.

[100%duncan]

No, but this Leonard situation has fucked us royally. We have nothing at the SF position right now, and considering he's "weeks away," we'll be pulling our hair out every game night watching Marco and KA get torched for the foreseeable future. Even Danny Green is overwhelmed playing SF.

My main concern right now is just getting into the playoffs. Phoenix is red hot right now and OKC is obviously going to make a push, so a post-season slot is by no means guaranteed. Yet the FO seems content on riding it out.

OKC potentially got a lot better at arguably their weakest position (yeah, Waiters hasn't proven much, but he could very well flourish playing alongside Westbrook and KD, and if he doesn't, they could easily nail him to the bench and continue with Lamb/Roberson, which has worked out pretty well thus far).

TBH, this might be a good indication that Kawhi can come back 100% and healthy since the Spurs are not making a move for anyone. I'll take it tbh.

[100%duncan]

And Perry Jones was a promising nigga, now a chucker gets his minutes.

[DPG21920]

Also, Mid, you know this - it's incredibly early for the trade season. There have just been a lot more "early" moves than usual (at least it feels that way). There's still so much time for moves to be made if the Spurs were inclined to do so and found another team willing to partner.

However, when you make B2B finals (winning one) and bring back your entire roster, trading doesn't seem to be high on the priority list.

[jeebus]

do you work for twitter :lol
He is false!

http://downrightnow.com/twitter


"likely service disruption". damn straight. my feed hasn't been updated in almost 40 mins. Woj's page works fine for some reason...

[DPG21920]

He is false!

http://downrightnow.com/twitter


"likely service disruption". damn straight. my feed hasn't been updated in almost 40 mins. Woj's page works fine for some reason...

Mine is fixed - I guess they start with the best users first then work their way down

[HI-FI]

Or they start with shortest first.

[100%duncan]

Mine is fixed - I guess they start with the best users first then work their way down

Reversed find your height? :lol


Just kidding deeps

[midnightpulp]

No, but this Leonard situation has fucked us royally. We have nothing at the SF position right now, and considering he's "weeks away," we'll be pulling our hair out every game night watching Marco and KA get torched for the foreseeable future. Even Danny Green is overwhelmed playing SF.

My main concern right now is just getting into the playoffs. Phoenix is red hot right now and OKC is obviously going to make a push, so a post-season slot is by no means guaranteed. Yet the FO seems content on riding it out.

OKC potentially got a lot better at arguably their weakest position (yeah, Waiters hasn't proven much, but he could very well flourish playing alongside Westbrook and KD, and if he doesn't, they could easily nail him to the bench and continue with Lamb/Roberson, which has worked out pretty well thus far).

Ultimate point here is that OKC (and Houston with the Josh Smith deal) gave themselves a lot of roster versatility at their weakest positions, while the Spurs don't even have so much as a suitable backup for Leonard at the SF, a position that is arguably the most important to be strong at in today's NBA. Now that Leonard is out, we're witnessing the fallout of the FO's inability to sign a legitimate backup SF.

[Mugen]

Waiters is garbage, Mid. Shump would have been the better get IMO.

The Spurs have their issues but I don't think this move affects them in anyway tbh.

[jeebus]

Mine is fixed - I guess they start with the best users first then work their way down
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[DPG21920]

With the info we have available, this makes no sense:

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Why would OKC have to send a 1st RD pick out when they are the ones helping facillitate the deal? They are allowing CLE to dump Waiters/get Shump/JR and allowing NY to salary dump JR/Shump.

[midnightpulp]

Also, Mid, you know this - it's incredibly early for the trade season. There have just been a lot more "early" moves than usual (at least it feels that way). There's still so much time for moves to be made if the Spurs were inclined to do so and found another team willing to partner.

However, when you make B2B finals (winning one) and bring back your entire roster, trading doesn't seem to be high on the priority list.

I'd a agree with this sort of complacency if we were 25-9 or something, but like I said, there's no guarantee we even make it into the playoffs. Call me a pessimist, but the team's perimeter defense has been absolutely atrocious lately, we're having to rely on a 38 year old, 37 year old, and Cory Joseph to carry the offense, the team rebounding is shit, and we're one Tim Duncan ankle tweak away from disaster.

The FO needs to move (unless they know something about Leonard we don't).

[DPG21920]

It's not just Kawhi. TP has been out. Tiago has been out and now limited minutes. Kawhi has missed a lot of time. Even if the Spurs could get a Dion Waiters SF equivalent, that would not move the needle at all with regards to your concerns.

[ElNono]

Waiters to OKC gotta be a CIA Pop move to install a malcontent chucker there :lol

[DMC]

:lol When they find out shump is all NY hype, no better than Marion
I'd take Marion any day.

[DMC]

:bang

Hell of a coup for OKC if true. Sure, Dion Waiters isn't anything special, but he's at worst a lateral move to what they have at SG now, so it's a low-risk/high reward gamble.

Meanwhile, the Spurs are standing "pat" like they always do. :rolleyes
5 rings vs 0, 0 and ...uh.. 0 (for intents and purposes)

[cjw]

Waiters to OKC gotta be a CIA Pop move to install a malcontent chucker there :lol

People who think Waiters is good at basketball are the same ones that marvel at the two guys on the playground who take it to each other in one-on-one (exerting no energy on defense so the other guy doesn't D them up in return) while the other eight guys watch.

Or people who get tricked into thinking every seven footer is the next coming.

[ElNono]

I'd take Marion any day.

I don't think Shump is all that, but I'll take him over current Marion, no doubt about it

[DPG21920]

Still doesn't make OKC giving up a 1st rounder for Dion Waiters make any sense:

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[ElNono]

Still doesn't make OKC giving up a 1st rounder for Dion Waiters make any sense:

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Reggie complained early in the season about not having a bigger role... you have to wonder if they're looking to move him (maybe not in this deal, but a later deal) and just acquired Waiters fill his spot...

[DPG21920]

Reggie complained early in the season about not having a bigger role... you have to wonder if they're looking to move him (maybe not in this deal, but a later deal) and just acquired Waiters fill his spot...

I get that - I mentioned earlier they may want a scoring 2 guard with actual 2 guard size, but giving up a first rounder to take Waiters off CLE's hands? Just absorbing him for free should have been enough. They allowed CLE to get JR/Shump so why are they paying a 1st rounder? May just be a heavily protected pick that has very little chance at switching hands, but man.

[HI-FI]

Reggie complained early in the season about not having a bigger role... you have to wonder if they're looking to move him (maybe not in this deal, but a later deal) and just acquired Waiters fill his spot...
So what would the 1st rounder be for? A gentleman's agreement on a future deal?

[ElNono]

We gotta look at what kind of protection is there on the 1st round pick.... if it's top 10 protected, it's probably a good deal for OKC...

I also don't know how much Waiters make, but it could just be a "making salaries match" kind of deal with a strong protection

[DPG21920]

We gotta look at what kind of protection is there on the 1st round pick.... if it's top 10 protected, it's probably a good deal for OKC...

It better be top 29 protected for the next 5 years and if they don't hit that level the pick stays in OKC for that to make sense

[midnightpulp]

It's not just Kawhi. TP has been out. Tiago has been out and now limited minutes. Kawhi has missed a lot of time. Even if the Spurs could get a Dion Waiters SF equivalent, that would not move the needle at all with regards to your concerns.

A solid backup SF (that could also start when/if Leonard gets injured) would move the needle quite a bit. It's our weakest position depth wise.

When Kawhi is out of the lineup/game, the choices are: Austin Daye (:lol), a rookie, Marco (:lol :lol), or moving Green over to SF, where he is much less productive (13.9 PER at SF vs. 18.3 at SG).

Leonard's absence really does throw everything out of whack, much more so than if Parker or Splitter miss time, since we have solid placeholders for them.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I had to google who this guy was...for some reason I thought he was an OT/OG in the NFL

[ElNono]

It better be top 29 protected for the next 5 years and if they don't hit that level the pick stays in OKC for that to make sense

I think OKC is pretty confident KD will stay with them. In which case the pick will probably be pretty high... and they're getting a top-5 draft class talent out of it (I actually don't think Dion is very good, but he did get drafted #4). It's a low-risk, high reward for them... obviously, just as long as KD sticks around and is healthy...

[DPG21920]

A solid backup SF (that could also start when/if Leonard gets injured) would move the needle quite a bit. It's our weakest position depth wise.

When Kawhi is out of the lineup/game, the choices are: Austin Daye (:lol), a rookie, Marco (:lol :lol), or moving Green over to SF, where he is much less productive (13.9 PER at SF vs. 18.3 at SG).

Leonard's absence really does throw everything out of whack, much more so than if Parker or Splitter miss time, since we have solid placeholders for them.

A really good SF moves the needle, sure. But not the Dion Waiters of SF's like OKC got.

[ElNono]

What I don't get is what's Cleveland doing? JR Smith? Shumpert?

[DPG21920]

I think OKC is pretty confident KD will stay with them. In which case the pick will probably be pretty high... and they're getting a top-5 draft class talent out of it (I actually don't think Dion is very good, but he did get drafted #4). It's a low-risk, high reward for them... obviously, just as long as KD sticks around and is healthy...

I just don't see how a team that has to have young talent and has drafted well, can justify giving up a 1st rounder (even late) for the privilege of taking Dion Waiters off CLE's hands. Perhaps it's a pick that never gets to CLE, then fine, but if not I don't see how CLE had any leverage with regards to getting a first rounder for Waiters.

[DPG21920]

What I don't get is what's Cleveland doing? JR Smith? Shumpert?

They are in win-now mode. Have been since they decided to trade for Love. If that's the case, while not very good, there is no question JR/Shump > Waiters. Plus, if they actually had the chance to get a first rounder for Waiters, they had to make that move.

[ElNono]

I just don't see how a team that has to have young talent and has drafted well, can justify giving up a 1st rounder (even late) for the privilege of taking Dion Waiters off CLE's hands. Perhaps it's a pick that never gets to CLE, then fine, but if not I don't see how CLE had any leverage with regards to getting a first rounder for Waiters.

They can't pay Reggie in the summer. Dion has an extra year in his rookie deal. It's a gamble, it always is.

[Robz4000]

What I don't get is what's Cleveland doing? JR Smith? Shumpert?

Playing chess while the rest of us are playing checkers, obviously.

...or a certain cat lover is now Cleveland's GM.

[ElNono]

They are in win-now mode. Have been since they decided to trade for Love. If that's the case, while not very good, there is no question JR/Shump > Waiters. Plus, if they actually had the chance to get a first rounder for Waiters, they had to make that move.

Shumpert is ok, but Friendkiller should not see the floor in any type of contender...

[midnightpulp]

A really good SF moves the needle, sure. But not the Dion Waiters of SF's like OKC got.

A Dion Waiters level of SF is still a lot better than Austin Daye and Marco (who is one of the worst defenders I've ever seen). I like Kyle, but he's a couple years away from being a solid rotation player.

[DPG21920]

They can't pay Reggie in the summer. Dion has an extra year in his rookie deal. It's a gamble, it always is.

That part makes sense. Having to pay a first rounder does not. There's really no justification for it unless it's a pick that isn't ever going to change hands.

[DPG21920]

Shumpert is ok, but Friendkiller should not see the floor in any type of contender...

His best has been wayyyyyyyyyyyyy better than Dion's best. Plus, Dion has one extra year on his deal too I think.

[ElNono]

That part makes sense. Having to pay a first rounder does not. There's really no justification for it unless it's a pick that isn't ever going to change hands.

I'm sticking with if it's top 10 protected, it's a good deal for OKC (*if* KD commits to them)

[ElNono]

His best has been wayyyyyyyyyyyyy better than Dion's best. Plus, Dion has one extra year on his deal too I think.

His worst has also been wayyyyyyyyyy worse than Dion's worst. Dion is really somewhat of an unknown at this point as far as peaks and bottoms... JR Smith not so much.

[Venti Quattro]

Good move for OKC, they get some backcourt depth. Waiters isn't the best player but he's better than the scrubs who would possibly b/u Westbrook in the OKC bench.

[DPG21920]

His worst has also been wayyyyyyyyyy worse than Dion's worst. Dion is really somewhat of an unknown at this point as far as peaks and bottoms... JR Smith not so much.

Disagree. JR's worst has been bad, but Dion has been "out of the league" bad. His upside has no where even come close to JR's. Again, odds are it's nothing, but for basketball, JR/Shump > Dion plus they shed an extra year by swapping JR for Dion.

[DPG21920]

I'm sticking with if it's top 10 protected, it's a good deal for OKC (*if* KD commits to them)

How so? If its just top 10 protected, that means that OKC is losing the pick. How, with CLE having no leverage, can you think giving up a 15-22 pick is a good deal?

[ElNono]

Disagree. JR's worst has been bad, but Dion has been "out of the league" bad. His upside has no where even come close to JR's. Again, odds are it's nothing, but for basketball, JR/Shump > Dion plus they shed an extra year by swapping JR for Dion.

I think Shump > Dion already, just on what we know of both players, and I'm not a big fan of Shumpert... Cleveland had to move Waiters anyways, he was another guy that wouldn't embrace the bench role. I just think if JR gets any kind of big minutes for Cleveland, he's gonna cost them games. On the other hand, JR was already coming off the bench for the Knicks, so he should accept that role no problem.

[DPG21920]

Was Waiters supposed to be a good shooter? He seems to need the ball to be effective which is a massive issue for a guy playing with Lebron or KD/WB. He can't really shoot and hasn't proven he can play off the ball at all really. For OKC, Morrow > Dion IMO. Unless Dion takes some big next step which seems unlikely at best.

[Robz4000]

Good move for OKC, they get some backcourt depth. Waiters isn't the best player but he's better than the scrubs who would possibly b/u Westbrook in the OKC bench.

Not really. Waiters needs the ball in his hands to do anything, and he's a mediocre defender. Watching him play alongside Westbrook/Jackson will be funny.

[DPG21920]

I think Shump > Dion already, just on what we know of both players, and I'm not a big fan of Shumpert... Cleveland had to move Waiters anyways, he was another guy that wouldn't embrace the bench role. I just think if JR gets any kind of big minutes for Cleveland, he's gonna cost them games. On the other hand, JR was already coming off the bench for the Knicks, so he should accept that role no problem.

It's not a great move, but they got some more depth and shooting. At least when JR sucks, he can still get hot and shoot off the ball. Dion could not. It's not about downside. It's about upside. JR seems to at least have some more upside off the ball/bench than Dion. Same with Shumpert.

[Venti Quattro]

Not really. Waiters needs the ball in his hands to do anything, and he's a mediocre defender. Watching him play alongside Westbrook/Jackson will be funny.

I would never play him beside Westbrook. He HAS to play behind RWB. Maybe Jackson and Waiters will work, who knows, but OKC knows what they're getting.

[ElNono]

How so? If its just top 10 protected, that means that OKC is losing the pick. How, with CLE having no leverage, can you think giving up a 15-22 pick is a good deal?

What do you mean Cleveland has no leverage? They're trading away their best asset, and giving OKC an out for the Reggie Jackson contract situation.

OKC now can seriously engage on trying to get the best deal they can for Reggie before his contract is up, get a top 10 draft class talent, and only part with a 15-22 pick and the $4m trade exception.

[Malik Hairston]

Waiters is really bad at basketball, tbh..I assume they're trading Jackson, because those 2 together doesn't make any sense, at all:lol..

[Mel_13]

What do you mean Cleveland has no leverage? They're trading away their best asset, and giving OKC an out for the Reggie Jackson contract situation.

OKC now can seriously engage on trying to get the best deal they can for Reggie before his contract is up, get a top 10 draft class talent, and only part with a 15-22 pick and the $4m trade exception.

If they're going get that kind of value for Jackson, they pretty much have to move him by the trade deadline.

[DPG21920]

What do you mean Cleveland has no leverage? They're trading away their best asset, and giving OKC an out for the Reggie Jackson contract situation.

OKC now can seriously engage on trying to get the best deal they can for Reggie before his contract is up, get a top 10 draft class talent, and only part with a 15-22 pick and the $4m trade exception.

Their best asset? :lol Lebron, Love, Kyrie, Tristan, etc...He's not even their 5th best asset. It's been known he's been a crazy, inefficient underperformer that they have tried to dump numerous times. OKC would have no issue moving Reggie for a solid package regardless. They have Lamb/Morrow and a couple of other options that have been better than Dion in the event they moved Reggie. I get taking the gamble, but they are taking him off CLE's hands allowing CLE to get a couple of players who may be a good fit and should in no way give any sort of pick that has a legit shot to go to CLE.

[Robz4000]

I would never play him beside Westbrook. He HAS to play behind RWB. Maybe Jackson and Waiters will work, who knows, but OKC knows what they're getting.

He wouldn't take a bench role in Cleveland, so I doubt he'll accept a similar one in OKC. The problem with playing alongside either is that none of them are elite shooters which will limit their spacing, and it'll take more shots away from Durant as it is. What they need most right now are a couple 3&D guys, of which they seemingly have none.

[DPG21920]

Unless OKC's ownership gave the ok to pay Reggie (not likely) they were going to have to move Reggie regardless. You keep saying "top 10 talent". Just because someone was drafted there doesn't mean they were a top 10 talent. It's been pretty obvious now in year 3 that he's just not that good.

When OKC is doing CLE a favor of taking a guy they've tried to move several times in addition to having their own players (Lamb/Morrow) who are just as good if not better than Dion, no way you give up a pick. Especially when you need cheap draft talent since your owner won't pay anything.

[DPG21920]

Ok, conflicting reports now, this would make way more sense:

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[DAF86]

What I don't get is what's Cleveland doing? JR Smith? Shumpert?

Imho, Cleveland is wishing Shumpert becomes the glue guy for them. The guy that competes on defense, doesn't whine about touches and knocks the open jumper. It's clear 50 years old Marion can't be that guy anymore. Jr Smith would come to replace Waiters as the guy that chucks jumpers while the big guns are getting a rest. Not an awful trade, imho.

[Spurs9]

Buddy just texted me this :lmao

[Spurs9]

What I don't get is what's Cleveland doing? JR Smith? Shumpert?
They are already panicking and think JR and Shumpert will help :lol

[ElNono]

Their best asset? :lol Lebron, Love, Kyrie, Tristan, etc...He's not even their 5th best asset. It's been known he's been a crazy, inefficient underperformer that they have tried to dump numerous times. OKC would have no issue moving Reggie for a solid package regardless. They have Lamb/Morrow and a couple of other options that have been better than Dion in the event they moved Reggie. I get taking the gamble, but they are taking him off CLE's hands allowing CLE to get a couple of players who may be a good fit and should in no way give any sort of pick that has a legit shot to go to CLE.

It's their best trade asset because they're not looking to trade any of those other guys. Dion is a young prospect, on a rookie deal, top of his draft class... there's very little reason for a team to move a player like that unless they're getting something solid in return.

[ElNono]

If they're going get that kind of value for Jackson, they pretty much have to move him by the trade deadline.

At this stage, any value they get back is good value... Reggie made it somewhat clear he wanted a bigger role or he was just going to walk and leave OKC empty handed.

[DPG21920]

At this stage, any value they get back is good value... Reggie made it somewhat clear he wanted a bigger role or he was just going to walk and leave OKC empty handed.

Reggie is restricted, he can't just walk.

[ElNono]

Reggie is restricted, he can't just walk.

My bad, I thought he was a UFA

[DPG21920]

My bad, I thought he was a UFA

That was a big part of me saying CLE had no leverage. They don't have to trade Reggie this year. Even if they did, there's no real argument to suggest that Dion is so much better than Morrow/Lamb that OKC now has more flexibility to trade Reggie.

[ElNono]

That was a big part of me saying CLE had no leverage. They don't have to trade Reggie this year. Even if they did, there's no real argument to suggest that Dion is so much better than Morrow/Lamb that OKC now has more flexibility to trade Reggie.

My impression of the deal was to basically replace Reggie with another rookie deal that goes for a year longer... but tbh, I don't know what OKC is doing. If they wanted flexibility, they should've rid themselves of Perkins a long time ago.

[DPG21920]

In general, even though I think it's a bad fit, I get the general idea of using the TPE to take a calculated gamble on someone young. I don't get giving up a pick (for Waiters) and possibly paying LT for Dion. I highly doubt OKC pays LT so they will move someone, but I just don't get the overall deal.

Just have to wait and see how everything shakes out. The pick may be a non-issue if it has a lot of protections on there.

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[Robz4000]

:lmao that delusion

[Raven]

i really don't understand why would okc do such a trade do they intend to keep perk or something? makes zero sense, they also don't have a backup pg now and westchimp is just returning from injury.

[100%duncan]

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[Chillen]

Only way Waiters will help the Thunder like Harden did is trade Waiters for Harden, lol. He will help a bit though, but they can't replace Harden still have no idea why they thought that trade was a good idea for the franchise.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

So basically the Knicks win this trade via default.

[Seventyniner]

So basically the Knicks win this trade via default.

The only way they can win anything.

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[100%duncan]

JR should do us a solid and drive Magic to Cleveland tbh. :lol

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Not really. Waiters needs the ball in his hands to do anything, and he's a mediocre defender. Watching him play alongside Westbrook/Jackson will be funny.
Pretty sure he's top of the league in steals

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Waiters has a high ceiling and he was great before this year . Cant hate him for wanting out, people were saying he could be a top 3 SG before getting benched thanks to LeBron

[Mal]

Good thing happend. OKC is no longer a threat. There is no way that Scott Brooks will figure it out, how to play Durant, Waiters, Jackson and Westbrook.

[hater]

Niggas playin checkers......

[mavsfan1000]

Lol OKC.

[Robz4000]

Pretty sure he's top of the league in steals

Kinda like how Deandre Jordan is near the top in blocks?

[ambchang]

OKC seems to be going the way of the 00 Suns, 90s Suns, 00 Blazers, 00s Kings, and 90s Sonics. Up and coming contenders with great promise but nothing to show for it.

Knicks did the right thing, blow that team apart and start from scratch.

Not sure why Cavs did this though. Shumpert was a decent player with potential, but he's been horrible this year. JR Smith is a cancer on the decline, you don't want him on his team even in his prime, so I don't know why you would want him now. But I guess if Lebron could handle Ricky Davis, he can handle Smith.

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:lmao That dick in my ass would have felt better if it didn't have AIDS