2015 Hall of Fame finalists announced

[spurraider21]

Kurt Warner
Will Shields
Charles Haley
Marvin Harrison
Tim Brown
Kevin Greene
Junior Seau
John Lynch
Jerome Bettis
Morten Anderson
Terrell Davis
Orlando Pace
Don Coryell
Jimmy Johnson
Tony Dungy

only 5 will get in. Charles Haley, TD, Orlando Pace, Tim Brown, Don Coryell if up to me

[Blizzardwizard]

Junior Seau is a lock.

[spurraider21]

lol steroids

[Kawhi]

John Lynch>>>

[spurraider21]

John Lynch>>>
than what?

[DeadlyDynasty]

Kurt Warner - absofuckinlutely. Greatest Show on Turf, took 2 dogshit franchises to the SB, and if not for favorable Steelers call (surprise, surprise), he wins with both teams
Will Shields - yes, great OG for many years.
Charles Haley - tbh I though he was already in.
Marvin Harrison - Serial Killer, no.
Tim Brown - Yes, consistent performer despite horrendous QB play through the years
Kevin Greene - No
Junior Seau - He deserves it, despite the additional pity points he'll receive. Dude managed to start on one of the all-time great teams too, even after his brain was mush.
John Lynch - No, 5th best player on that defense.
Jerome Bettis - He'll obviously make it, unfortunately...Canton has a hard-on for all things Pittsburgh, which may ultimately be Greene's saving grace too.
Morten Anderson - LOL no.
Terrell Davis - Amazing peak, but he does not deserve to be in the HOF--yeah, he would've been a lock had he never gotten injured--but he did and thems the breaks.
Orlando Pace - Hell yes, one of the most dominant OT's ever.
Don Coryell - meh, big show no results.
Jimmy Johnson - If this was the Football HOF (College and Pros) then w/o question.
Tony Dungy - He'll obviously make it too, just because he was the first black coach to win it all.

[JoeTait75]

I'd go Kurt Warner, Will Shields, Pancake Pace, Charles Haley and Tim Brown.


Charles Haley - tbh I though he was already in.

He deserves to be. I wonder if the fact that he's a mental case has something to do with him not being in. IMO He's more deserving than other DE's who are already in (Fred Dean.)

[Avante]

Jerome Bettis is the leagues all time 6th leading rusher, in the top 25 scoring, he gets in.

Tim Brown is the leagues all time 6th leader in yards, he's number 5 in receptions and number 16 in scoring. He gets in.

There are tons of backs and receivers in the HOF with far inferior numbers to those two. We won't find Lynn Swann on any all time list, yet he's in the HOF.

Bettis gained over 13,000, Larry Csonka a little over 8,000, he's in the HOF.

You can't have a HOF without Marvin Harrison, his numbers put him there.

If they are putting Floyd Little in then they have to have Terrell Davis who did far more than Little did. Yet....neither of them among the 50 top rushers in NFL history.

John Hadl is number 17 in TD passes, he's number 8 in passing yards, he's far superior to Kurt Warner in both. Warner is listed at 33/15. Yet Hadl will never be mentioned....weird.

The whole thing is weird to be honest. Compare Lynn Swann's number to those of Cliff Branch, not even close, Branch had a far more productive career.

The only player who belongs in the HOF despite his numbers ....Gale Sayers. He was so amazing his numbers simply don't matter.

Carlton "Cookie" Gilchrist was the first 1000 yard rusher in the old AFL, he was that leagues stud back for about 4 years. Hmmm?

Cookie the only 1000 yard rusher in pro football with no college experience, he went straight from high school to the CFL where he starred there playing both ways and kicking. The Bills got him from the CFL.

So...

Bettis
Brown
Harrison
Pace...most deserving of all of them
Dungy....a black coach thing.

Both those 60/70 Packer/Steeler teams with 9 HOF's off those teams....wow! Imagine a backfield where both backs made the HOF...Jim Taylor/Paul Hornung.

Then there was Willie Galimore, this guy was one of the most amazing runners ever seen, but.....during his career the Bears also had a stud fullback named Rick Casares, they pretty much shared the carries with Casares being the 1000 yard rusher. Only Sayers/Sanders more...wow!!!!!....backs than Galimore.

Led the nation in the long jump 24-11 as a high schooler, his older brother Roger one of the fastest men in the world.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBL_dzHfjHo

[Blake]

Still no sign of Jerry Kramer

[Avante]

Way way too many in all these HOF's. That should be the place for the elite of the elite, not Floyd Little/Lynn Swann. They have no business there at all....none!

You want those who stunned us with their greatness. Guys who stood head and shoulders above the others in their era. Jim Brown, Emlen Tunnell, Dick "Night Train" Lane, David "Deacon" Jones, Otto Graham.....those kinds of players.

Kurt Warner????

Vinny Testerverde threw for 275tds, Warner....208. Vinny threw for over 46, 000 yards, Warner...32, 000 something. Hell, Dave Kreig also had more tds/yards than Warner.

[Blake]

Kurt Warner's greatness was pretty stunning.

He's got my vote. And most peoples.

[spurraider21]

Warner will have my vote ultimately, but he's not in my top 5 of this finalist group

[Avante]

Warner will have my vote ultimately, but he's not in my top 5 of this finalist group

He had a strange career, half his career real weak, the other half real good, the guy had six seasons with less than a dozen TD's. His claim to fame, taking two teams to a SB.

[spurraider21]

He had a strange career, half his career real weak, the other half real good, the guy had six seasons with less than a dozen TD's. His claim to fame, taking two teams to a SB.
sure, if you count seasons where he played 1 game, 2 games, 7 games, 10 games.

[Blake]

Warner will have my vote ultimately, but he's not in my top 5 of this finalist group

I've got Warner, Bettis, Haley, Pace and Junior

[Avante]

sure, if you count seasons where he played 1 game, 2 games, 7 games, 10 games.

He had 8 seasons where he started 11 games or less, and his numbers reflected that. He had a few great seasons, but most his career was very ordinary.

Like I mentioned he's way down there among the elite in TD's/yards.

[Blake]

He had 8 seasons where he started 11 games or less, and his numbers reflected that. He had a few great seasons, but most his career was very ordinary.

He's got the multiple MVPs. He's got the Super Bowl MVP. He's got the passing records.

it's not even a debate unless you're a fat old fuck living on a deserted island jacking off to track and field almanacs.

[spurraider21]

I've got Warner, Bettis, Haley, Pace and Junior
I thought Haley was a no brainer last year (though I'm glad Ray Guy got in :lol), and this year I think Haley and Pace are the two easiest picks. of the 5 i mentioned in the OP, the only one i would rethink is TD. Coryell's legacy is huge and he changed the game as much as anybody. we talk about different eras when talking about QB stats, and he's one of the pioneers of the modern downfield passing game. he's a charger, but i'd have to have him in there. and Brown should get in on numbers alone... and as DD said you have to account for the horrendous QB play he dealt with until his last few years. had he swapped career QB's with Rice, they very well could have swapped stats

[JoeTait75]

I go back and forth on Coryell. On one hand he definitely had a huge influence on modern offensive football; on the other hand he was more a disciple of Sid Gillman than a revolutionary figure in his own right, IIRC. Plus he didn't win any championships.

[Avante]

Tons of League MVP's that don't belong in the HOF..

Earl Morrall
John Brodie
Bert Jones
Mark Moseley...a kicker
Roman Gabriel

to name a few.

Superbowl MVP's??? Do Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Larry Brown, Dexter Jackson, Deion Branch, belong in the HOF, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kurt Warner played on one of the greatest offenses ever, and they threw the ball, and threw the ball. He had a career full of so so seasons to go with some great ones. I like the facts.

[spurraider21]

Add Desmond Howard to the superbowl MVP guys

[Avante]

Add Desmond Howard to the superbowl MVP guys

The HOF needs to be about the total body of work/career compared to others who play the position vs their era.

But.....we will see Warner in the HOF, his story tailor made for prime time. Bagging groceries to SB MVP.....they gobble that stuff up.

[spurraider21]

Kurt Warner didn't start in the NFL until he was 28 years old. To just add up his career totals and judge him that way is not taking everything in context. Part of his NFL glory is his road to get there. If you were to explain Kurt Warner's career path to somebody who had never heard of him, you'd think it was a made up Hollywood script. Took 2 different franchises to the superbowl, the second of which after he was considered old and done. Dude is a legend. He will get in, and probably soon.

[Avante]

Kurt Warner didn't start in the NFL until he was 28 years old. To just add up his career totals and judge him that way is not taking everything in context. Part of his NFL glory is his road to get there. If you were to explain Kurt Warner's career path to somebody who had never heard of him, you'd think it was a made up Hollywood script. Took 2 different franchises to the superbowl, the second of which after he was considered old and done. Dude is a legend. He will get in, and probably soon.

I totally agree, yep, his story....Hollywood. Take away that Superbowl guarantee and Joe Namath isn't there. Take away those SB catchs and Lynn Swann isn't there.

I 'm just aware of all those seasons where Warner wouldn't be in any conversation about that seasons elite QB's. Yep.....unique....career,

[Blizzardwizard]

lol steroids

Steroids is gonna get in over Tim Brown :lol

[Blake]

Tons of League MVP's that don't belong in the HOF..

Earl Morrall
John Brodie
Bert Jones
Mark Moseley...a kicker
Roman Gabriel

to name a few.

Superbowl MVP's??? Do Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, Larry Brown, Dexter Jackson, Deion Branch, belong in the HOF, hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kurt Warner played on one of the greatest offenses ever, and they threw the ball, and threw the ball. He had a career full of so so seasons to go with some great ones. I like the facts.

Kurt is in.

Stupid old piece of shit.

[Blake]

I totally agree, yep, his story....Hollywood. Take away that Superbowl guarantee and Joe Namath isn't there. Take away those SB catchs and Lynn Swann isn't there.

I 'm just aware of all those seasons where Warner wouldn't be in any conversation about that seasons elite QB's. Yep.....unique....career,

Super bowls are a huge part of the HOF equation.

novice fat fuck.

[The Gemini Method]

Pace, Seau, Haley, Bettis, and Tim Brown would be my selection.

[Avante]

Is this sad to watch or what? Poor little Blake, what a loser. So miserable all the time, sad.

I say...if not for their SB exploits they aren't there. Then the freak tells me.....the superbowl plays a huge part......hahahahhaha!!!!!!!!!!! Isn't that what I said?

Talk about stupid....wow!

[Avante]

Getting back to Warner.

He only had three seasons where he started 16 games, he had seven seasons where he started 10 or less. He did have three amazing season, but six where he threw for less than 3000 yards. Actually the guy had ....three....great seasons, the rest very ordinary or weak. But....his story is unique so he'll get in ...sometime.

[Pelicans78]

He took two bad franchises to Super Bowls. Rams were awful before he was starting though they brought in a ton guys to help them compete like trading for Faulk, drafting Holt, hiring Martz as offensive coordinator, improving the o-line. Plus, the defense was already strong the previous season before the Super Bowl.

[spurraider21]

Jerome Bettis and Ron Wolf confirmed

:lol Bettis

Wolf is worthy, but there's no room for him in this class imo

[spurraider21]

Jerome Bettis, Ron Wolf, Tim Brown, Charles Haley, Junior Seau, Bill Polian, Will Shields, Mick Tingelhoff

what a shitty voting job :lol... glad Brown got in though. Haley should have been in there a while ago

:lol no orlando pace... what an abomination

[Blizzardwizard]

Hell yeah!

http://www.gettinafterit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Seau.jpg

[spurraider21]

we got a raider in for back to back years... somehow Ray Guy made it in ahead of Tim Brown last year :lol

[Infinite_limit]

I recognize longevity

But would anyone actually pick Bettis on their team over Davis?

[spurraider21]

Pretty cool, my football i got autographed by Tim Brown is now officially signed by a member of the hall of fame :hat

[JoeTait75]

Jerome Bettis, Ron Wolf, Tim Brown, Charles Haley, Junior Seau, Bill Polian, Will Shields, Mick Tingelhoff

what a shitty voting job :lol... glad Brown got in though. Haley should have been in there a while ago

:lol no orlando pace... what an abomination

Mick Tingeloff before Orlando Pace? That's a joke. Tingelhoff was a good player but he got his ass whipped in every one of those Super Bowls Minnesota lost. Too many players off those Vikings teams are in. I don't think Paul Krause deserves to be in either.

[Pelicans78]

I recognize longevity

But would anyone actually pick Bettis on their team over Davis?

Good debate, but I do think Bettis had more natural overall talent. Davis was part of a great system which produced multiple 1,000 yard rushers following him.