Peyton Manning..

[Malik Hairston]

13 points @ home against a slightly above average team, in the playoffs:lmao..

Didn't even have the balls to throw on the biggest play of the game, too, got bailed out by CJ Anderson..

The Arod of the NFL, tbh..anybody that mentions him anywhere near the top 5 QBs of all-time should be killed..

High-maintenance stat-padder that gets a pass because he's protected by the media and beloved by White men everywhere..

Keep shooting those commercials, though..

[Malik Hairston]

How many QBs have lost as 9-point favorites in the divisional round?

Weather wasn't even bad, either..pathetic..

[resistanze]

Well at least Manning has looked old and done for a while tbh...however it sheds a little more light on the earlier failures in his career....

Fox is a horrible coach however, and needs to be fired ASAP

[Hoops Czar]

Peyton Manning = Tony Parker

Too bad Peyton didn't have a Tim Duncan to carry him to three super bowls.

[Raven]

Peyton Manning = Tony Parker

Too bad Peyton didn't have a Tim Duncan to carry him to three super bowls.

von miller, demarius thomas, julius thomas, sanders, ware... not enough?

[Chris]

Chicken Parmy tastes so good :lol

[monosylab1k]

http://i42.tinypic.com/1zxxf7a.jpg

[Spur-Addict]

Chicken Parmy tastes so good :lol

:lol

[djohn2oo8]

https://fbcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-0/10928169_963803556978325_7315293324174603451_n.jpg ?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=ca4b2990ddb8858fd53ac98c736991d8&oe=55359D1D&__gda__=1433293477_b3b32a064b65ed10b9b7ce1e53a0eea b

[Brunodf]

Karl Malone of the NFL tbh

[spurraider21]

Year

Base Salary
Restruc. Bonus
Cap Hit
Dead Cap


2012
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/broncos.png
$18,000,000
-
$18,000,000
-


2013
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/broncos.png
$15,000,000
$2,500,000
$17,500,000
$40,000,000 (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/peyton-manning/#)


2014
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/broncos.png
$15,000,000
$2,500,000
$17,500,000
$22,500,000 (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/peyton-manning/#)


2015
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/broncos.png
$19,000,000
$2,500,000
$21,500,000
$5,000,000 (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/peyton-manning/#)


2016
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/broncos.png
$19,000,000
$2,500,000
$21,500,000
$2,500,000 (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/peyton-manning/#)

[weebo]

Year

Base Salary
Restruc. Bonus
Cap Hit
Dead Cap


2012
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/broncos.png
$18,000,000
-
$18,000,000
-


2013
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/broncos.png
$15,000,000
$2,500,000
$17,500,000
$40,000,000 (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/peyton-manning/#)


2014
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/broncos.png
$15,000,000
$2,500,000
$17,500,000
$22,500,000 (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/peyton-manning/#)


2015
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/broncos.png
$19,000,000
$2,500,000
$21,500,000
$5,000,000 (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/peyton-manning/#)


2016
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/broncos.png
$19,000,000
$2,500,000
$21,500,000
$2,500,000 (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/peyton-manning/#)



paying more the worse he gets...the kirby of football :lmao

[Malik Hairston]

Only 1 more playoff win than Tebow, on a 100 million $ contract..

Could have just loaded up the defense and offensive line with that money, as I said at the time..

Only playoff wins were against a shitty Chargers team that chokes just as much as Manning, and the Patriots without Gronkowski:lol..

[resistanze]

Year

Base Salary
Restruc. Bonus
Cap Hit
Dead Cap


2012
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/broncos.png
$18,000,000
-
$18,000,000
-


2013
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/broncos.png
$15,000,000
$2,500,000
$17,500,000
$40,000,000 (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/peyton-manning/#)


2014
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/broncos.png
$15,000,000
$2,500,000
$17,500,000
$22,500,000 (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/peyton-manning/#)


2015
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/broncos.png
$19,000,000
$2,500,000
$21,500,000
$5,000,000 (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/peyton-manning/#)


2016
http://www.spotrac.com/assets/images/thumb/broncos.png
$19,000,000
$2,500,000
$21,500,000
$2,500,000 (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/peyton-manning/#)



:lol hold up he has 2 more years of $38 mil???

Why is there talk of him retiring tbh?

[Malik Hairston]

^^He won't, that's why the Broncos are going to be the 49ers, tbh..

8-8 next season IMO..maybe better because the Chargers won't improve, and the Chiefs are the Chiefs, though..

Doesn't matter..if you can't beat the fucking Colts in a playoff game, how are you going to beat top-tier teams?:lol..

[LnGrrrR]

Dude has to be injured. Wtf was up with all those 3 yard passes? Even with four minutes left? Wtf the Broncos were retarded.

[Malik Hairston]

^^ Doubt he's injured, he's just old, tbh..

Broncos fans just figured he was coasting/saving himself since he's been doing this for weeks, but apparently he's just finished..

[weebo]

^^ Doubt he's injured, he's just old, tbh..

Broncos fans just figured he was coasting/saving himself since he's been doing this for weeks, but apparently he's just finished..

Schaub was a decent QB with a good arm before he became a 2nd string noodled arm faggot

[AaronY]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206558

[Kyle Orton]

He looked like rg3 out there with the 3 yard passes

[AlexJones]

9 one and dones on big contracts? Sounds like the NFL's own KG tbh

[Pelicans78]

Chicken Parmy tastes so good :lol

:lol

[Sean Cagney]

Dude has to be injured. Wtf was up with all those 3 yard passes? Even with four minutes left? Wtf the Broncos were retarded.

Naw, a friend of mine called this months ago who is a Broncos fan, he said you could tell by the zip on the ball and the missed passes he was regressing very fast, he was dead on. Manning is just old now and nearly done, sad but true.
Karl Malone of the NFL tbh

Nah, people forget Manning actually won a ring? He is not the best ever obviously (Regular season maybe) but dude is not some complete loser who never won shit. His playoff stats were not as good though indeed, they fell off quite a bit in fact and he has more int's that TD's in the playoffs I believe?

[Brunodf]

Nah, people forget Manning actually won a ring? He is not the best ever obviously (Regular season maybe) but dude is not some complete loser who never won shit. His playoff stats were not as good though indeed, they fell off quite a bit in fact and he has more int's that TD's in the playoffs I believe?
Sounds like Malone, obviously is hard to find a perfect match between different sports...

Both are/were considered one of/if not the best ever for their positions, both have unreal stats in the regular season, both underperfomed in the playoffs...

[Pelicans78]

David Robinson would be a more accurate comparison.

[Clipper Nation]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7HFRBpCYAIB4j_.jpg

[pgardn]

The Broncos knew the risk when they took him.
For Gods sake the guy has fused neck vertebrae and still managed to function?

Give him a D with the Colts and he would have more than one ring.
He was very good.

[angrydude]

Manning was carried to his 1 ring by Joseph Addair and that year's defense. If I recall correctly, Manning tried his best to choke it away but it was too much to overcome.

[rogues]

Good game, Harlem..

[Malik Hairston]

Good game, Harlem..

You too, buddy..hoping you guys can pull off the miracle next week, tbh..

[pgardn]

Manning was carried to his 1 ring by Joseph Addair and that year's defense. If I recall correctly, Manning tried his best to choke it away but it was too much to overcome.

Oh, the Super Bowl he won MVP and the D played mightly against the great Rex Grossman?
Whatever.

[monosylab1k]

The Broncos knew the risk when they took him.
For Gods sake the guy has fused neck vertebrae and still managed to function?

Give him a D with the Colts and he would have more than one ring.
He was very good.

Over the course of their careers, Manning overall had higher rated defenses than Tom Brady.

[HemisfairArena]

Peyton,,,,the biggest stat padder overrated fraud of all time. Never seen a guy have a first and goal from the 2 and constantly throw for a td to try and pad his stats. Glad this guy has a losing record in the playoffs and just got crushed again,,,,go make papa johns commercials,,,

[pgardn]

Over the course of their careers, Manning overall had higher rated defenses than Tom Brady.

Did you see the Pats v. Rams?

Manning did not have that. Overall Brady has had better defenses in the playoffs. Bill Belicheck is not a bad defensive coach. At all.

Jesus, Peyton did not become a bad QB because of today's disaster.
Again, the Broncos gambled on a fused neck QB. And people are surprised he has a tough time throwing the ball with velocity thus short passes.

[Silver&Black]

13th career playoff loss....most in NFL history.

[Clipper Nation]

Oh, the Super Bowl he won MVP and the D played mightly against the great Rex Grossman?
Whatever.

The postseason during which Fivehead threw 3 picks to 7 interceptions and the worst playoff passer rating of any Super Bowl winning QB. Meanwhile, the defense forced 13 turnovers in 4 games and held teams to 16 points per game.

[Thebesteva]

Im not sure why anyone is seriously debating Manning V Brady unless theyre talking about Eli who owns Tom. But Tom is easily the best QB of the last decade and a half. I am a Bronco fan, I really appreciate the shot Manning gave it. There's a point when you just lose it and he definitely lost that it factor.

[HI-FI]

The postseason during which Fivehead threw 3 picks to 7 interceptions and the worst playoff passer rating of any Super Bowl winning QB. Meanwhile, the defense forced 13 turnovers in 4 games and held teams to 16 points per game.
Yes his stats sucked in that postseason but he faced the top 3 defenses. No other qb has won a SB getting past the top 3. Can't imagine too many qbs putting up good stats in that situation.

[spurraider21]

Yes his stats sucked in that postseason but he faced the top 3 defenses. No other qb has won a SB getting past the top 3. Can't imagine too many qbs putting up good stats in that situation.
its not like he did well in those games, individually. i remember the colts D inexplicably stepping up during those playoffs. bob sanders made his career from that one run :lol

[Sean Cagney]

Sounds like Malone, obviously is hard to find a perfect match between different sports...

Both are/were considered one of/if not the best ever for their positions, both have unreal stats in the regular season, both underperfomed in the playoffs...

True but one got a ring so that seperates them IMO.
Im not sure why anyone is seriously debating Manning V Brady unless theyre talking about Eli who owns Tom. But Tom is easily the best QB of the last decade and a half. I am a Bronco fan, I really appreciate the shot Manning gave it. There's a point when you just lose it and he definitely lost that it factor.

I agree.
Peyton,,,,the biggest stat padder overrated fraud of all time. Never seen a guy have a first and goal from the 2 and constantly throw for a td to try and pad his stats. Glad this guy has a losing record in the playoffs and just got crushed again,,,,go make papa johns commercials,,,

COT damn that would sting hard tonight if I were a Broncos fan! I would not be able to reply back either so it would hurt even worse. There is nothing I can say and I am a fan of the dude all in all and think he is an all time great but that has some truth to it.

[Sean Cagney]

You too, buddy..hoping you guys can pull off the miracle next week, tbh..

Damn right I am pulling for them now. My boy from Miami Davis was out there today playing his ass off, showing what I always thought he could be at the corner and he is mad slept on! I wish Miami still had him but glad he is on a good team now and they are doing well.

[HI-FI]

its not like he did well in those games, individually. i remember the colts D inexplicably stepping up during those playoffs. bob sanders made his career from that one run :lol
Yes hence I said his stats sucked, but pointing out the context of beating the 3 best defenses. His stats sucked against the Ravens but I actually thought it was a good game considering that D was primed for a SB run. He needed Viniatieri in that game but so did your new ATF Brady during his runs.

[spurraider21]

Yes hence I said his stats sucked, but pointing out the context of beating the 3 best defenses. His stats sucked against the Ravens but I actually thought it was a good game considering that D was primed for a SB run. He needed Viniatieri in that game but so did your new ATF Brady during his runs.
he's not my favorite by any stretch. the only Pat i actually like is Gronk

[HI-FI]

he's not my favorite by any stretch. the only Pat i actually like is Gronk
yeah Gronk is the shit. Even though Belichick is a scumbag I still somewhat respect him. Just can't stand Brady.

[Malik Hairston]

I don't have an opinion on Brady on either side, but I love Belichick, tbh..such a gangster..

[Hoops Czar]

Sounds like Malone, obviously is hard to find a perfect match between different sports...

Both are/were considered one of/if not the best ever for their positions, both have unreal stats in the regular season, both underperfomed in the playoffs...

Did you forget Malone made it two consecutive NBA finals? If it weren't for Jordan's Bulls, he'd have two rings.

[Sean Cagney]

Did you forget Malone made it two consecutive NBA finals? If it weren't for Jordan's Bulls, he'd have two rings.
Depends on who he faced but you are probably right, then again you could say that for alot of teams and what ifs. If MJ did not retire would Houston have any rings? How many rings would the Knicks have if it were not for MJ? Pacers? Alot of ifs there, but MJ's Bulls were there and thats history. Malone was very good though and his teams were very good, great coach as well.

[Pelicans78]

Did you see the Pats v. Rams?

Manning did not have that. Overall Brady has had better defenses in the playoffs. Bill Belicheck is not a bad defensive coach. At all.

Jesus, Peyton did not become a bad QB because of today's disaster.
Again, the Broncos gambled on a fused neck QB. And people are surprised he has a tough time throwing the ball with velocity thus short passes.

That Rams team was extremely loaded. Number one offense. Top 10 defense. The Pats defense was good that season, but not a dominate defense by any means. Rams were also 14 points favorite coming into the game.

[Pelicans78]

1984 Marino is still the best QB I've ever seen.

[Killakobe81]

I don't have an opinion on Brady on either side, but I love Belichick, tbh..such a gangster..

He is, like a less funny POP tbh ...
And Brady is a more hollywood Timmy tbh ...

[Darth_Pelican]

In 13 of Manning's playoff losses, his team was favored in 11 of them. I think that statistic can put to rest the "Manning didn't have good teams around him" argument.

[DeadlyDynasty]

His arm's shot but it really is uncanny how much he's choked in his career. The 2009 SB will always haunt him but imo the '05 season will forever be the SB that got away. They were a slam dunk for the VLT that year but lost to the f'ing Steelers in the divisional round.if i were a Colts fan 2005 would be the most painful playoff memory

[jeebus]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12154238/peyton-manning-denver-broncos-played-torn-right-quad-last-month-season


The Torn Right Quad Game


Based Manning, playing through pain no man should have to endure, was still able to go out and play the last month, despite having an injury that would kill any lesser man. Praise Manning. :wow

[Avante]

One of the top 5 QB's of all time, how many people can say that in their profession?

[spurraider21]

One of the top 5 QB's of all time, how many people can say that in their profession?
5

[Brunodf]

Did you forget Malone made it two consecutive NBA finals? If it weren't for Jordan's Bulls, he'd have two rings.
So what. If not for 0.4/2006 and 1/ 2013 game 6 duncan would've 8... What ifs doesn't mean anything

[Hoops Czar]

So what. If not for 0.4/2006 and 1/ 2013 game 6 duncan would've 8... What ifs doesn't mean anything

Sew buttons! You called Malone an underperformer. What is underperforming about these playoff numbers? Not to mention how much deeper the west was compared to the east

'97 26.0/11.4/2.9/1.4/.8
'98 26.3/10.9/3.4/1.1/1.0

[Brunodf]

Sew buttons! You called Malone an underperformer. What is underperforming about these playoff numbers? Not to mention how much deeper the west was compared to the east

'97 26.0/11.4/2.9/1.4/.8
'98 26.3/10.9/3.4/1.1/1.0
:lol You gotta be trolling or are u just dumb enough to ignore the HUGE FG% drops and nearly non existent overall impact in the playoffs :lol

[Fabbs]

In 13 of Manning's playoff losses, his team was favored in 11 of them. I think that statistic can put to rest the "Manning didn't have good teams around him" argument.
yea. Altho, 2 drops by that overated playoff choker WR Demetrius Thomas or whatever his name is.

[Hoops Czar]

:lol You gotta be trolling or are u just dumb enough to ignore the HUGE FG% drops and nearly non existent overall impact in the playoffs :lol

You obviously weren't old enough to watch those series. If you think FG% is the only means of measuring one's self-worth, I'm the one being trolled. Obviously, the FG% is going to take a hit in the postseason when the defense is targeting the said player. Just ask Lebron. And again, those numbers don't suggest underperforming. Anybody can put up gaudy numbers during the regular season. It doesn't mean shit.

[Brunodf]

You obviously weren't old enough to watch those series. If you think FG% is the only means of measuring one's self-worth, I'm the one being trolled. Obviously, the FG% is going to take a hit in the postseason when the defense is targeting the said player. Just ask Lebron. And again, those numbers don't suggest underperforming. Anybody can put up gaudy numbers during the regular season. It doesn't mean shit.
Option 2 :bang

[pgardn]

That Rams team was extremely loaded. Number one offense. Top 10 defense. The Pats defense was good that season, but not a dominate defense by any means. Rams were also 14 points favorite coming into the game.

That defense was very good in the SB. Even though they sorta cheated. My point is Manning did not have those types of defenses. I never said the guy was clutch like Brady. But no way the Colts go as far as they did without Manning.

Again this board as usual (not saying you) is a what have you done for me lately crowd. One is only considered as good as his last game. It's really tiresome and chicken shit imo.

Peyton Manning was a very good QB. He did at one time have a strong arm and an extraordinary feel for the pace of a game. But we rate fused neck torn quad. Peyton because it's easy to bash him NOW. Just because the media gets overexcited by a pretty funny, well spoken, intelligent, slow white QB, does not mean he stunk.

I get the impression that Brady is a pretty boy, social dumb fuck; but it certainly does not change how good a QB he is; Especially after righting himself going thru the KC game.

[Chris]

Coach killer Manning :lol

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12156158/john-fox-denver-broncos-head-coach?ex_cid=sportscenterFB

[Thebesteva]

:(

https://scontent-b-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10500450_850558054987132_3149718760435009961_n.jpg ?oh=bcd8791f163941fe3ef7f85be7e3ec34&oe=55363488

[Avante]

What gets me about Peyton is how greedy the guy is, it's real obvious he'll say anything if the $$$$$ is right.The guy will peddle anything, this makes him look $$$$ hungry.

[Thebesteva]

What gets me about Peyton is how greedy the guy is, it's real obvious he'll say anything if the $$$$$ is right.The guy will peddle anything, this makes him look $$$$ hungry.

Dude, he's not the lead singer of a punk rock band, you wouldn't sell out if Direct TV offered you $20 million to do their commercials for them?

[Avante]

Dude, he's not the lead singer of a punk rock band, you wouldn't sell out if Direct TV offered you $20 million to do their commercials for them?

Dude, I'd take the 20 mill from Direct TV but wouldn't need to sell....

cars
insurance
pizza
butt warmers
razor blades
farm tools
suits
furniture
TV's

...also.

This..."just say this Peyton"....and we'll pay you, makes him look greedy.

[Thebesteva]

Dude, I'd take the 20 mill from Direct TV but wouldn't need to sell....

cars
insurance
pizza
butt warmers
razor blades
farm tools
suits
furniture
TV's

...also.

This..."just say this Peyton"....and we'll pay you, makes him look greedy.

Good, let him sell out. Keep selling. As an athlete, you're not promised tomorrow the way other professions are. Plenty of guys go broke in a few decades and he is ensuring he is not going to be one of those guys. I'm honestly not a Manning fan, I'm a Bronco fan, so I'm not trying to defend him but you're being childish by expecting a professional athlete to turn down Papa Johns.

[Avante]

Good, let him sell out. Keep selling. As an athlete, you're not promised tomorrow the way other professions are. Plenty of guys go broke in a few decades and he is ensuring he is not going to be one of those guys. I'm honestly not a Manning fan, I'm a Bronco fan, so I'm not trying to defend him but you're being childish by expecting a professional athlete to turn down Papa Johns.

If the guy isn't set by now he's stupid. How much does he make a game? This isn't just some player, this is one of the greats of the game.

I have no problems with him selling pizza, but what won't the guy sell? The guy is selling everything and it makes him look desperate/greedy.

[Sean Cagney]

1984 Marino is still the best QB I've ever seen.

Beast, in a different era and time and on a whole other level.

[Thebesteva]

If the guy isn't set by now he's stupid. How much does he make a game? This isn't just some player, this is one of the greats of the game.

I have no problems with him selling pizza, but what won't the guy sell? The guy is selling everything and it makes him look desperate/greedy.

Dude, Celine Dion is worth $800 million for all the shitty shows she does in Vegas and that bitch is like 60. Instead of retiring and just enjoying life she chooses to work and sponsor stuff. There's never enough money for some people, Peyton is only in the neighberhood of $100 million I think.

[Avante]

Dude, Celine Dion is worth $800 million for all the shitty shows she does in Vegas and that bitch is like 60. Instead of retiring and just enjoying life she chooses to work and sponsor stuff. There's never enough money for some people, Peyton is only in the neighberhood of $100 million I think.

Bingo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I think that's what I'm saying.

[313]

He should've taken a pay cut and kept taking the sponsorship money

[Infinite_limit]

http://cdn8.staztic.com/app/a/2118/2118219/celine-dion-wallpaper-212482-1-s-307x512.jpg

[mojorizen7]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7HFRBpCYAIB4j_.jpg

:lmao

[Thebesteva]

Malik Hairston, do you think we're better off letting Peyton go and letting Brock take over?

[spurraider21]

Malik Hairston (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18403), do you think we're better off letting Peyton go and letting Brock take over?
hope that happens... even though Osweiler can be good, i'm sick of being in the same division as Peyton Manning

[Ice009]

Beast, in a different era and time and on a whole other level.

Was Marino really as good as people say he was back then?

Is that the year Marino set the TD record and also the total pass yardage record? I don't think anyone came close to those numbers back then, did they?

[AlexJones]

hope that happens... even though Osweiler can be good, i'm sick of being in the same division as Peyton Manning

It's fucking hilarious how this tool answered a question that was directed at MH :lmao

[spurraider21]

Get off my D. I don't swing that way

[Sean Cagney]

Was Marino really as good as people say he was back then?

Is that the year Mario set the TD record and also the total pass yardage record? I don't think anyone came close to those numbers back then, did they?
Not even close, Dan Fouts had the old record as he was Marino before Marino basically. Marino shattered every record that year, took a long time and rule changes later to pass it but several of the records are broken now. Back then you could jam the receiver and ride them out of bounds or whatever after 5 yards which is not allowed today. Marino was a great passer and before his time IMO, one of a kind and nowadays the pass happy NFL is so watered down it deserves some * by it when a record is set for a QB or Receiver IMO. Not taking away from the new guys or their game but it's different now.

[Ice009]

Not even close, Dan Fouts had the old record as he was Marino before Marino basically. Marino shattered every record that year, took a long time and rule changes later to pass it but several of the records are broken now. Back then you could jam the receiver and ride them out of bounds or whatever after 5 yards which is not allowed today. Marino was a great passer and before his time IMO, one of a kind and nowadays the pass happy NFL is so watered down it deserves some * by it when a record is set for a QB or Receiver IMO. Not taking away from the new guys or their game but it's different now.

I didn't really start watching NFL until about '94, '95 I think it was (there wasn't much coverage here), so I didn't really know who Marino was. I remember him being in Ace Ventura, and that's the first time I heard of him. It wasn't until during or after the '99 season that I saw his numbers when following the Rams with Warner/Faulk/Bruce back then and realized how good Marino was. For the record, I used to like Issac Bruce before fully getting on the bandwagon. I thought he was a very good receiver even though the Rams sucked the couple of seasons before Warner and Faulk got there.

I became a Ram fan when Kurt Warner first took over there and also when Marshall Faulk arrived (I really liked him on the Colts, thought he was an awesome all around player). No one had ever heard of Warner and during that season I kept saying, "who is this Warner guy". His numbers were insane, then I saw Marino was the only player to have more TD passes and passing yardage, so from that point on, I thought darn, Marino must have been awesome. That season was also 15 years before Warner's season and he still was a little bit off Marino's numbers. He was close, but still not that close. 41 TD passes to 48 I think it was.

What year did Manning and Brady break Marino's records? I'm thinking around 2004? So that's about 20 years. And I figured the rules changed enough from back in the day to now that helped allow players like Manning and Brady to break those numbers, which makes Marino's season even more impressive. Did the Dolphins come close to winning the Superbowl back then? I assume they had an average defense? What was their weakness?

[Sean Cagney]

I didn't really start watching NFL until about '94, '95 I think it was (there wasn't much coverage here), so I didn't really know who Marino was. I remember him being in Ace Ventura, and that's the first time I heard of him. It wasn't until during or after the '99 season that I saw his numbers when following the Rams with Warner/Faulk/Bruce back then. For the record, I used to like Issac Bruce before fully getting on the bandwagon. I thought he was a very good receiver even though the Rams sucked the couple of seasons before Warner and Faulk got there.

I became a Ram fan when Kurt Warner first took over there and also when Marshall Faulk arrived (I really liked him on the Colts, thought he was an awesome all around player). No one had ever heard of Warner and during that season I kept saying, "who is this Warner guy". His numbers were insane, then I saw Marino was the only player to have more TD passes and passing yardage, so from that point on, I thought darn, Marino must have been awesome. That season was also 15 years before Warner's season and he still was a little bit off Marino's numbers. He was close, but still not that close. 41 TD passes to 48 I think it was.

What year did Manning and Brady break Marino's records? I'm thinking around 2004? So that's about 20 years. And I figured the rules changed enough from back in the day to now that helped allow players like Manning and Brady to break those numbers, which makes Marino's season even more impressive. Did the Dolphins come close to winning the Superbowl back then? I assume they had an average defense? What was their weakness?
Isaac Bruce was great, he had 1700 yards in a season in 95 before Warner was there and he was the only one on the team! He was one of my favorite players around that time and up until retirement. I was a huge fan. Warner was good as well, dude had a few crazy years on the Rams, fun to watch. Brady broke it a few years back with the TD's I believe and Manning and Breeze broke the yards? I know Breeze did that is for sure, Manning maybe last year. I will have to look. Some older head told me Marino would throw for 6000 yards with today's rules and he was dead serious, no joke. Marinos season to me is still the best from a QB ever.

Dolphins made the Superbowl in 84 that year and lost to the great 49ers team who was 15-1 and regarded as one of the best teams ever, tough luck. Their D was okay but aging, Killer b's they were called but aging and they basically just outscored you that year while their D gave up some points! Their Running game was very weak, no standouts there. It was Marino and the Marks Brothers (Clayton and Duper) pretty much and an aging receiver in Nat Moore.
Bill Walsh said later that he thought the 49ers had the game locked by just looking at Miami's defensive personnel in pregame. They simply weren't very big or athletic on defense and they had nobody who could handle Roger Craig coming out of the backfield. They couldn't stop the run, either: the following year, in the '85 playoffs, they gave up more than 500 combined rushing yards against the Browns (Earnest Byner had a huge game) and the Patriots. The Dolphins just were not a complete team in those days.

Marino was a phenomenon in 1984. He didn't just break the records for passing yards and touchdowns, he obliterated them. Y.A. Tittle's TD-pass record had stood for more than two decades and Marino just destroyed it by 12 TDs. He was unbelievable.

You sir are correct on all you said above. Their D was a little light in the ass IMO and like you said overall just not that great IMO. Their rushing attack was very weak as well, Tony Nathan was a poor mans Thurman Thomas meaning he could catch out of the backfield and run but he was not a huge threat like Roger Craig was. Craig was a pure runner and a receiver as well, great overall back. Craig was Faulk before Faulk, revolutionized the game IMO with 1,000 and 1,000 in the same year.

[HI-FI]

1984 Marino is still the best QB I've ever seen.
I was still too young to remember 84 Marino other than fuzzy memories but he's the best pure passer I've seen. Not the best Qb or ultimate winner, but definetly the best thrower. It's a cliche but true, if he played today he'd obliterate the stats.

[JoeTait75]

Dolphins made the Superbowl in 84 that year and lost to the great 49ers team who was 15-1 and regarded as one of the best teams ever, tough luck. Their D was okay but aging, Killer b's they were called but aging and they basically just outscored you that year while their D gave up some points! Their Running game was very weak, no standouts there. It was Marino and the Marks Brothers (Clayton and Duper) pretty much and an aging receiver in Nat Moore.

Bill Walsh said later that he thought the 49ers had the game locked by just looking at Miami's defensive personnel in pregame. They simply weren't very big or athletic on defense and they had nobody who could handle Roger Craig coming out of the backfield. They couldn't stop the run, either: the following year, in the '85 playoffs, they gave up more than 500 combined rushing yards against the Browns (Earnest Byner had a huge game) and the Patriots. The Dolphins just were not a complete team in those days.

Marino was a phenomenon in 1984. He didn't just break the records for passing yards and touchdowns, he obliterated them. Y.A. Tittle's TD-pass record had stood for more than two decades and Marino just destroyed it by 12 TDs. He was unbelievable.

[Sean Cagney]

I was still too young to remember 84 Marino other than fuzzy memories but he's the best pure passer I've seen. Not the best Qb or ultimate winner, but definetly the best thrower. It's a cliche but true, if he played today he'd obliterate the stats.

Yeah he would kill it today man, no doubt.
Bill Walsh said later that he thought the 49ers had the game locked by just looking at Miami's defensive personnel in pregame. They simply weren't very big or athletic on defense and they had nobody who could handle Roger Craig coming out of the backfield. They couldn't stop the run, either: the following year, in the '85 playoffs, they gave up more than 500 combined rushing yards against the Browns (Earnest Byner had a huge game) and the Patriots. The Dolphins just were not a complete team in those days.

Marino was a phenomenon in 1984. He didn't just break the records for passing yards and touchdowns, he obliterated them. Y.A. Tittle's TD-pass record had stood for more than two decades and Marino just destroyed it by 12 TDs. He was unbelievable.

You sir are correct on all you said above. Their D was a little light in the ass IMO and like you said overall just not that great IMO. Their rushing attack was very weak as well, Tony Nathan was a poor mans Thurman Thomas meaning he could catch out of the backfield and run but he was not a huge threat like Roger Craig was. Craig was a pure runner and a receiver as well, great overall back. Craig was Faulk before Faulk, revolutionized the game IMO with 1,000 and 1,000 in the same year.