If Brady gets his 4th ring..

[AlexJones]

Where does he rank in the all time QB list? Top 2 at minimum I think.. hell he would've been stapled at #1 if he got it done on the 18-1 season.

[Malik Hairston]

Best of all-time from a longevity/career standpoint, tbh..

Although if Rodgers miraculously wins this year, he's the best of all-time from a peak perspective IMO..

[Robz4000]

Montana is still head-and-shoulders above him and Rodgers, though Rodgers can still surpass him.

[Darth_Pelican]

Tom BradyPlayoff record: 19-8
Home playoff record: 13-3
Road playoff record: 3-3
Super Bowl starts: 5
Super Bowl rings: 3



Joe MontanaPlayoff record: 16-7
Home playoff record: 10-2
Road playoff record: 2-5
Super Bowl starts: 4
Super Bowl rings: 4

[monosylab1k]

He's not beating Rodgers. Their D-Line has no shot containing Wilson. They may get to the SB but they won't win. I just hope they don't get a shank up their gooch like Manning last season.

[Malik Hairston]

^^Belichick would be much better prepared than fucking John Fox, tbh:lol..

How do the Patriots generally do vs. mobile QBs?

[AlexJones]

Packers aren't winning shit and there's no way Belichick loses to a negro QB, tbh.. He's going to have that team ready unlike John Fox last year..

[spurraider21]

begrudgingly, i'd pick the Pats to beat the Packers if they matched up

Seahawks Pats would be a fucking great superbowl though.

[AlexJones]

^^Belichick would be much better prepared than fucking John Fox, tbh:lol..

Dude I swear I didn't steal your comment:lmao

[Robz4000]

Tom BradyPlayoff record: 19-8
Home playoff record: 13-3
Road playoff record: 3-3
Super Bowl starts: 5
Super Bowl rings: 3



Joe MontanaPlayoff record: 16-7
Home playoff record: 10-2
Road playoff record: 2-5
Super Bowl starts: 4
Super Bowl rings: 4

Team accomplishments imo. When thinking about it, they both come from very similar backgrounds:

1. Both played under great coaches
2. Both had great longevity
3. Both delivered similar stats

The main reason I put Joe Cool over Brady is because he just seemed to have the "IT" factor. He could rally his team in any situation and get their nerved in check. Brady, OTOH, has notoriously chimped out in the past and has needed to be calmed down. There's also the whole system babby issue, which could be said about Joe, but in the end he went out and continued playing well on another team.

[HI-FI]

I'd still take Montana over him any day of the week. If Brady wins I could see the media anoint him GOAT but I'd place him in top 5. I still haven't seen an iconic performance by him in the SB, plus hasn't won post Viniatieri and Spygate.

if Russell Wilson repeats this year, ST will reach new levels of bitterness.

[lefty]

As long as Manning doesnt ring

[monosylab1k]

^^Belichick would be much better prepared than fucking John Fox, tbh:lol..

How do the Patriots generally do vs. mobile QBs?

With the emergence of Jamie Collins, maybe they would be okay. In the past, it was high comedy to watch Rob Ninkovich or Brandon Spikes get shaken out of their shoes or blown by without even touching a guy like Wilson or Rodgers.

[Raven]

^^Belichick would be much better prepared than fucking John Fox, tbh:lol..

How do the Patriots generally do vs. mobile QBs?

eat them alive. BB isn't getting fooled by a gimmick offense. Also, linebackers and safeties have been specifically drafted for this, i want to see wilson monkeying around against jamie collins

[Raven]

anyway, if brady wins it, which is still a big if, he's clearly the undisputed #1, if he loses, he's #2.

[Brunodf]

2 more to be the undisputed GOAT tbh

[Robz4000]

2 more to be the undisputed GOAT tbh

If Brady gets to 5 while putting up great numbers, I'll elevate him to GOAT. Until then he's top 5.

[spurraider21]

never liked brady but always respected him. with his longevity i'd put him #1 in my lifetime... of course Rodgers isn't done yet, but as of now, yeah.

[Silver&Black]

If Brady gets his 4th ring.....he's the GOAT.

[Fabbs]

Brady....hasn't won post Viniatieri and Spygate.
Yeah lets see those numbers.
Wonder how many more Joe would have if both he and the 49ers D knew the f'ing plays about to be run by the opponent.

[Pelicans78]

anyway, if brady wins it, which is still a big if, he's clearly the undisputed #1, if he loses, he's #2.

Nah, its neck and neck with Joe Cool who tortured my childhood never losing in the Superdome even when the Saints had multiple top 2 defenses :depressed

[pgardn]

I'd still take Montana over him any day of the week. If Brady wins I could see the media anoint him GOAT but I'd place him in top 5. I still haven't seen an iconic performance by him in the SB, plus hasn't won post Viniatieri and Spygate.

if Russell Wilson repeats this year, ST will reach new levels of bitterness.

Montana extricated the 49ers from some really tough situations.
And I agree, Brady can get frustrated really easily. Montana was so cold. His ability to keep his head in the game even when taunted is what Rogers seems steered towards.

As as far as who is the most fun to watch due to physical ability, it's Rogers.

Love to see the Pack win it all after the Rogers' relax comment. But I don't think they can if Rogers can't run.

[spurtech09]

Go Pats...fav. to win the SuperBowl......book it

[HI-FI]

Montana extricated the 49ers from some really tough situations.
And I agree, Brady can get frustrated really easily. Montana was so cold. His ability to keep his head in the game even when taunted is what Rogers seems steered towards.

As as far as who is the most fun to watch due to physical ability, it's Rogers.

Love to see the Pack win it all after the Rogers' relax comment. But I don't think they can if Rogers can't run.
Yeah Brady gets frustrated easily. You touch him and starts screaming for a flag, acting like such a whiny bitch. Fortunately for him he rarely gets touched, in fact I never seen a qb get as much time in the pocket.

Rodgers reminds me the most of Montana and that's about the highest praise I can give a player. No player quite has Montana's grace under fire but Rodgers comes close. Unfortunately like Montana they both get injured a bit.

I like Manning but that's more for how he calls plays and runs an offense. Obviously he's known for the Manning Face.

I wouldn't mind seeing Packers win it all but seahawks/patriots seems like the safe bet.

[Pelicans78]

I can't believe Montana lowered himself by starring in a commercial with Peyton.

[Malik Hairston]

I didn't watch the NFL in the early 90s/late 80s, obviously, but didn't Montana have the greatest NFL player of all-time as his WR for the majority of his time?

Brady looked pretty good with Moss at WR:lol..

[Pelicans78]

I didn't watch the NFL in the early 90s/late 80s, obviously, but didn't Montana have the greatest NFL player of all-time as his WR for the majority of his time?

Brady looked pretty good with Moss at WR:lol..

True, but Montana also won two Super Bowls before Rice. He did play with great defenses as well, but dude was a surgeon back in the day even against great defenses though he did get his head kicked in by Parcells's Giants a few times. He showed a tremendous amount of poise. The most impressive game I remember he played was with the Chiefs when he went to the Astrodome against the number one defense in the league and picked apart Buddy Ryan's Oilers defense. He was almost 40 by then but he took the Chiefs to the AFC Title game at Buffalo where a first quarter concussion knocked him out of the game.

[HemisfairArena]

LMAO,,,,he's not winning another ring and will go down as a fraud without Spygate and a FG kicker. If you think he will beat the Packers or Seahawks in the Super Bowl,,,,,you are an idiot.

[Clipper Nation]

Montana, Unitas, Graham are firmly entrenched as the top 3, tbh.

[HI-FI]

Yeah lets see those numbers.
Wonder how many more Joe would have if both he and the 49ers D knew the f'ing plays about to be run by the opponent.
That's the thing with the Pats. Belichick and Brady are HoFers but they have that secret weapon in Ernie Adams, a legit idiot savant. He was at the epicenter of Spygate and no other team has a RainMan that can figure out defenses and signals like him. Supposedly when BB was a D Coordinator for the Giants he "procured" a copy of the other team's playbook the night before and Adams memorized it in one night. Crazy. there are lots of crazy stories like that surrounding this guy.

so having someone like him tell Brady what to expect on every down helps a lot, helps with protection schemes etc...

Coughlin knows those 2 very well and when the Giants faced them in the first SB, he had the defense change their signals every quarter.

[spurraider21]

True, but Montana also won two Super Bowls before Rice. He did play with great defenses as well, but dude was a surgeon back in the day even against great defenses though he did get his head kicked in by Parcells's Giants a few times. He showed a tremendous amount of poise. The most impressive game I remember he played was with the Chiefs when he went to the Astrodome against the number one defense in the league and picked apart Buddy Ryan's Oilers defense. He was almost 40 by then but he took the Chiefs to the AFC Title game at Buffalo where a first quarter concussion knocked him out of the game.
and brady won all of his before moss

[spurraider21]

Montana, Unitas, Graham are firmly entrenched as the top 3, tbh.
:lmao avante-like take

[midnightpulp]

This is something of an impossible comparison, since we have no idea how Montana and that offense would flourish under Goodell Ball, which has inflated QB performance to the moon. It's kind of like comparing Wilt (who played in an offensively inflated era) to a modern day player, so you can't simply line up Montana's stats vs. Brady's and call it a day.

We have to chicken out and do the "era" thing here, and no doubt Brady is the best of his era, just like Joe is the best of his.

[HemisfairArena]

If Brady loses against the Colts and Luck or Seattle or Green Bay,,,his legacy is as crushed as Kobricks in the NBA. He cant win without Spygate,,,,it is what it is,,,

[LnGrrrR]

If Brady loses against the Colts and Luck or Seattle or Green Bay,,,his legacy is as crushed as Kobricks in the NBA. He cant win without Spygate,,,,it is what it is,,,

Who is this fucking moron?

[CitizenDwayne]

It's Montana. Those who disagree must not have seen him in his prime.

Say what you want about teammates, coaching, career stats, injuries, whatever - game on the line, I'm taking Montana over anyone else.

[spurtech09]

Who is this fucking moron?LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

[scanry]

Montana was a cold blooded assassin. It's laughable that people are comparing Joe Cool to Rodgers. Brady's close though.

[Robz4000]

Montana was a cold blooded assassin. It's laughable that people are comparing Joe Cool to Rodgers. Brady's close though.

Rodgers really reminds me of him; more than Brady at least. Their styles of play and overall personalities are very similar (albeit Montana doesn't dream of dicks). In terms of achievements Brady isn't too far off, but the gap exists.

[Malik Hairston]

Based on raw ability, Rodgers is the best QB I've ever seen, tbh..his only flaw is that he holds the ball for too long..

He makes passes that I can't imagine other QBs making, and he does it on the move, too..10 for 10 to end the game today, clutch as fuck..

[spurraider21]

Based on raw ability, Rodgers is the best QB I've ever seen, tbh..his only flaw is that he holds the ball for too long..

He makes passes that I can't imagine other QBs making, and he does it on the move, too..10 for 10 to end the game today, clutch as fuck..

[Malik Hairston]

:lol drafting Alex Smith ahead of Rodgers..

[spurraider21]

:lol drafting Alex Smith ahead of Rodgers..
the raiders drafted Fabian Washington one pick before Rodgers was drafted

[Malik Hairston]

the raiders drafted Fabian Washington one pick before Rodgers was drafted

Sure, but at least that's not a QB..

[HI-FI]

:lol drafting Alex Smith ahead of Rodgers..
Even if Niners drafted him I'm not sure he would've turned out as good. Those Niner teams were abysmal, truly the dark ages. Plus Rodgers got a lot of help in his development with the staff and learning under Favre.

....but yes we really fucked that up. :lol
i don't blame him for taking a jab at the Niners during his MVP speech.

[Robz4000]

The Niners' FO back then was fucking retarded. They went for names and numbers without thinking about style of play, ability, or even the god damn fact that college football isn't NFL football.

[AlexJones]

Who is this fucking moron?

:lmao

[Pelicans78]

and brady won all of his before moss

And lost his since.

[Brazil]

This is something of an impossible comparison, since we have no idea how Montana and that offense would flourish under Goodell Ball, which has inflated QB performance to the moon. It's kind of like comparing Wilt (who played in an offensively inflated era) to a modern day player, so you can't simply line up Montana's stats vs. Brady's and call it a day.

We have to chicken out and do the "era" thing here, and no doubt Brady is the best of his era, just like Joe is the best of his.

yup

it's like avante with his first 3 years record or whatever...

If you look at TDs, yards and stuff this era inflates the number of QBs on every possible way. For the little I saw I still consider Montana as number 1, he put some crazy good numbers even in his tougher era for QBs.

I like him at 1, 2 Brady then Aaron, Elway/Marino ?

I'm limiting myself at QBs tho, it's quite easy to follow this position for a foreigner, much more complicated to judge the other positions :lol I heard Rice was pretty good. One of the few name that crossed the atlantic out of the QBs in the 90's was Emmitt Smith

[Killakobe81]

Montana, Unitas, Graham are firmly entrenched as the top 3, tbh.

Really? Based on what advanced metrics? How many games of those 3 have YOU watched total? Even on NFL filims?

I think Brady with another ring isnear the top of the 5 best I have ever seen: Montana, Marino, Elway, Brady Manning. if you take out Marino (because he didnt close then you) add Farve. Rodgershas a chance to kock off one of those 5 with another ring. Brady is debatable as teh #1 with another ring ...

[monosylab1k]

1. Montana
2. Unitas
3. Young
4. Quincy Carter
5. Brady

Imho

[Brazil]

^ Quincy Carter ? the bipolar dude, arrested multiple times for multiple reasons ? the fuck ?

[Avante]

When talking about greatness in any sport we ....MUST....go with vs their era. There are high school kids who could beat Jesse Owens in a 100m. That doesn't matter, Owens was the best (not really that was Eulace Peacock, but he was injured in 1936) in the world in his era, the Olympic Champion.

So with that said.

1.Joe Montana.... he never lost a SB, winning 4, his mastery of an offense unmatched.
2.Tom Brady.... where he stands with the stats combined with his SB success puts him here.
3.Johnny Unitas.... was "Da Man" in his day and is still among the elite in the stats department, at a time when throwing the ball wasn't like it is now.
4.Peyton Manning... his impact on the game can't be ignored and he has the stats
5.Otto Graham***.... he played in 10 Championship games. By far the greatest QB of his era.
6.Brett Favre.... his stats are ridiculous. Strongest arm among the elite.
7.Dan Marino.... the best pure passer the game has ever seen.
8.John Elway... the best combo of passing/running/decision maker, only Favre having a stronger arm.
9.Drew Brees.... only those above compare with his stats
10.Fran Tarkenton.... when he retired he held all the QB records, is still anong the top 10 in yards/td's.

Aaron Rodgers will be on that list just a bit too early.

Big Ben will also be on that list.

Nobody mentioned above had a better first three seasons than Russell Wilson.


*** there has never at any time been any QB so far above everyone else in his era than this guy. Only Don Hutson an old Packer receiver, Jim Brown and Jerry Rice were as dominate at their position, so dominate there was no debate, talking offense. Add TE John Mackay.

[Killakobe81]

Based on raw ability, Rodgers is the best QB I've ever seen, tbh..his only flaw is that he holds the ball for too long..

He makes passes that I can't imagine other QBs making, and he does it on the move, too..10 for 10 to end the game today, clutch as fuck..

I agree he is one of the few QB's that make plays as a QB (outside of nice throw) that are truly high-light worthy. The throw he made across his body drifting right (I forget against who) but throwing left that IIRC was called back by a penalty maybe only 1% of QB's could have made ... maybe prime Elway and maybe prime Randall Cunningham makes that throw all arm with zip, touch AND ACCURACY. A really great QB but much to soon to put him in the top 5 ... he is on his way though ...

[lefty]

How many rings has Brady won when they were cheating?

[AaronY]

Everyone forgets that Montana would have accomished so much more if not for the Leonard Marshall hit

[dg7md]

Brady would be the GOAT merely because of the large gap between his title wins, and I don't think losing Super Bowls should ever count against someone's legacy. Many people rank Joe Montana over Brady merely because he is 4-4 in Super Bowls while Brady is 3-2, both of which against fluky-ass-teams that lucked into a win more than earning it.

[scanry]

Brady would be the GOAT merely because of the large gap between his title wins, and I don't think losing Super Bowls should ever count against someone's legacy. Many people rank Joe Montana over Brady merely because he is 4-4 in Super Bowls while Brady is 3-2, both of which against fluky-ass-teams that lucked into a win more than earning it.

Elite was big time in those 2 super bowls. That was no luck. NY wanted it more.

[The Gemini Method]

The same posters defending Brady in his SB loses are some of the same posters who chide LeBron for his NBA finals losses. How funny. I think you can definitely make the argument between Montana and Brady. However, both will always be considered in the greatest of all time discussion and that is what makes sports interesting.

[resistanze]

I always laugh at "finals record" arguments, as if it's better losing earlier in the playoffs (or not making it at all) than to lose in the finals :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Brady would be the GOAT merely because of the large gap between his title wins, and I don't think losing Super Bowls should ever count against someone's legacy. Many people rank Joe Montana over Brady merely because he is 4-4 in Super Bowls while Brady is 3-2, both of which against fluky-ass-teams that lucked into a win more than earning it.
The Giants weren't a fluke, they just didn't blow their load in the regular season like those Pats teams did.

[Arcadian]

I'll put it this way, he'd better win another ring to even have a chance at #1. His last ring was 11 years ago! He made it back twice and couldn't get it done, losing both times to an Eli-led team :lol. That's a pretty crappy decade of playoff results, actually.

So yeah, he needs this one, or he's out of the question.

[monosylab1k]

Elite was big time in those 2 super bowls. That was no luck. NY wanted it more.

Yeah, Eli willed a ball to stick to a guy's helmet.

[monosylab1k]

Then he just wanted Welker to drop a pass more than Brady wanted him to catch it.

[rogues]

Yeah, Eli willed a ball to stick to a guy's helmet.


Then he just wanted Welker to drop a pass more than Brady wanted him to catch it.
Good luck..may both teams play hard..

[monosylab1k]

Good luck..may both teams play hard..

Same to you, Big Dog. Luck is looking badass, I fear him tbh. Also, having Allen as another receiving threat will be huge, we can't guard TE's for shit.

[dirk4mvp]

Yeah, Eli willed a ball to stick to a guy's helmet.

Tyree was inspired by det escape tbh

[HI-FI]

Iirc, Montana never had a single INT in the SBs, in an era when defenses could get away with a lot more. Plus Montana followed up his MVP season with his third SB MVP in the most lopsided SB ass beating. A bit different than winning your SBs by 3 points, needing a legendary kicker and great camera work. So even if Brady wins this year, he's still not in Montana's class imo.

[lefty]

:lmao Ray Lewis is asshurt :lmao

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2329848-ray-lewis-says-the-tuck-rule-is-the-only-reason-people-know-of-tom-brady?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

[Pelicans78]

Then he just wanted Welker to drop a pass more than Brady wanted him to catch it.

Brady should have made a better throw to someone who was as wide open as Welker. Welker probably should have it had, but a better throw would have sealed it.

[Pelicans78]

Iirc, Montana never had a single INT in the SBs, in an era when defenses could get away with a lot more. Plus Montana followed up his MVP season with his third SB MVP in the most lopsided SB ass beating. A bit different than winning your SBs by 3 points, needing a legendary kicker and great camera work. So even if Brady wins this year, he's still not in Montana's class imo.

I agree. I watched Montana in his prime (unfortunately live as well) and his prime was better than Brady's.

[dg7md]

The Giants weren't a fluke, they just didn't blow their load in the regular season like those Pats teams did.

I'll agree with you on the 2011 win, but the 2007 win was marred with a lot of fluke moments (helmet catch, dropped pass) and considering that pretty much everyone remembers the Patriots going 18-1 more than the Giants winning, it makes me think that it was not only one of the biggest upsets of all time, but one of the flukiest of moments (more than 6. if you consider all factors IMO).

[Infinite_limit]

I'll agree with you on the 2011 win, but the 2007 win was marred with a lot of fluke moments (helmet catch, dropped pass) and considering that pretty much everyone remembers the Patriots going 18-1 more than the Giants winning, it makes me think that it was not only one of the biggest upsets of all time, but one of the flukiest of moments (more than 6. if you consider all factors IMO).
2011 definitely wasn't a fluke

Kyle Williams - 3 fumbles

[monosylab1k]

Brady should have made a better throw to someone who was as wide open as Welker. Welker probably should have it had, but a better throw would have sealed it.

The throw wasn't pinpoint, but it was good enough. Welker should have caught it, plain and simple. Not that Brady didn't make some God awful throws in that game. That one deep ball to Gronkowski where he completely underthrew a one-legged man was inexcusable.

[Clipper Nation]

2011 definitely wasn't a fluke

Kyle Williams - 3 fumbles

Maybe the Whiners shouldn't have choked so hard on third downs that game (1-13) if they wanted to win.

[spurraider21]

The throw wasn't pinpoint, but it was good enough. Welker should have caught it, plain and simple. Not that Brady didn't make some God awful throws in that game. That one deep ball to Gronkowski where he completely underthrew a one-legged man was inexcusable.
not sure if its the same play, but there was the one where he tried to pull an Eli Manning/Tyree and got picked off :lol

[sook]

Best of all-time from a longevity/career standpoint, tbh..

Although if Rodgers miraculously wins this year, he's the best of all-time from a peak perspective IMO..


anyway, if brady wins it, which is still a big if, he's clearly the undisputed #1, if he loses, he's #2.

truff bombs

[lefty]

The Giants weren't a fluke, they just didn't blow their load in the regular season like those Pats teams did.
tbh the Pats lost 2 close games vs the Giants, and Gronk missed both games

[Clipper Nation]

tbh the Pats lost 2 close games vs the Giants, and Gronk missed both games

Gronkowski was a freshman at Arizona during that first Super Bowl, and Brady had Randy Moss for that one. No excuses, tbh.

Also, the Giants flat-out owned the Pats during that 2007-2011 era. Their only loss to them was Week 17 in '07 and that was only by 3, and the Pats had to come back to beat them.

[Infinite_limit]

truff bombs
Ya, if you started watching the NFL in 2000

IMO Brady will finish Top 3 along with Montana & Unitas. But I need to mention


37 year old Joe Montana in 1993 (1 single start between 1991 & 1993) got the Chiefs into the AFC Title Game

[lefty]

As long as Peyton doesn't ring