2015 NBA Trade Deadline

[ace3g]

Primer, fast approaching .

Feb. 19 -- 2015 NBA Trade Deadline (3 p.m. ET)
March 1 -- Playoff Eligibility Waiver Deadline

[phxspurfan]

Parker trade coming Feb 18th. book it

[wildchild]

It's not a typical Spurs move in february but they will explore some trade options that include Belinelli or Ayres/Daye?

[ElNono]

in before the 100+ pages that will follow

[apalisoc_9]

The Spurs will stay pat..

But things they should really start at..

- Bellineli
- Parker's contract.

[ducks]

Parker trade coming Feb 18th. book it

When did Spurs make a major trade in the middle of season
Tp value also is low get more back after he gets back in shape

[Dverde]

Pop would only trade Tony Parker for Tim Duncan. No way he is being traded this season.

[timtonymanu]

Doubt Parker ever gets traded. We just have to hope Parker gets put on a leash when he's in Enrique mode which Pop seems to do, fortunately.

I hope Belinelli gets traded, though. He can fool certain Spurs fans into thinking he "isn't that bad" but he's worse than he was last year and really has been hurting the Spurs all season.

We're probably just gonna see Daye get dumped for a 2nd rounder, though.

[ace3g]

Waiting for another possible "player signed after season is over in Euroleague."

[100%duncan]

Spurs will stand pat per the usual

[FromWayDowntown]

When did Spurs make a major trade in the middle of season

2005? (Malik Rose for Nazr Mohammad)

2008? (Brent Barry for Kurt Thomas)

2012? (Richard Jefferson for Stephen Jackson)

[Holden_Caulfield]

theyre showcasing austin daye :lol

[SpurPadre]

It is more likely Bonner will score 35 PPG from here on out than it will be for PATFO to make a trade this season.

[Ditty]

Spurs will probably stand pat, I believe they will be fine at the end of the day when they're healthy. Of course we all want a little excitement so hopefully one or both of Ayers or Daye are traded for second round draft picks in 2020, but at the end of the day I don't see that happening or the Spurs buying anyone out as everyone sees happy with there roles unlike Michael Finley and Nando De Colo in years pass. Don't see anyone beside possibly Tayshaun Prince that will get bought out but probably not going to be any bigger names than him.

[Mr Bones]

The addition the Spurs have made this season is a vastly improved and more confident Cory Joseph. Most teams would love to be legitimately three deep at the PG position.

[Legacy]

Too bad Pop would never dare trade his beloved Bonner.

[Legacy]

Waiting for another possible "player signed after season is over in Euroleague."

[ElNono]

I think it's gonna depend a lot on what's available out there. I think the Spurs price range will be in the $3m-$4m, which unfortunately puts a guy like Wilson Chandler out of reach. I doubt they'll trade for a "project" at this point in the season, they'll probably look at some vets that are not way past their expiration date and see if they can find a backup for Kiwi...

[ElNono]

Maybe trade Paul George?

[Silver&Black]

if they can find a backup for Kiwi...

Who do you have in mind as a Kiwi backup?

[Splits]

AK-47 anyone?

[Legacy]

How could I forget about Kawhi? We definitely need a back-up SF.

[Silver&Black]

AK-47 anyone?

What's the deal with him? Last I heard he was refusing to play.....

[Sean Cagney]

Yawn... This will go 100 pages though with fans coming up with wild trades or pickups in their head and putting??? behind it.

[Splits]

What's the deal with him? Last I heard he was refusing to play.....

Philly promised to waive him so he could play for a non-tank and then reniged. He refuses to show up

[Malik Hairston]

Only veteran on the block that I would be potentially interested in is Brandon Bass as a 4th big, tbh(would require moving Ayres or Baynes, though)..was pretty bad last year, but was effective prior to that, and looks pretty good this season(also added a 3-point shot, recently)..

[ElNono]

Who do you have in mind as a Kiwi backup?

Nobody in the $3m-$4m range comes to mind... but maybe looking at some of the tanking teams' rosters, something is there.

[szkorhetz]

Nobody in the $3m-$4m range comes to mind... but maybe looking at some of the tanking teams' rosters, something is there.
Budinger?

[BatManu20]

Budinger?

Budinger is poop.

[cd021]

What's the deal with him? Last I heard he was refusing to play.....

His wife is pregnant and apparently having a difficult pregnancy that and he had a hand shake agreement with Phily that they would waive him.

[cd021]

How could I forget about Kawhi? We definitely need a back-up SF.

Simmons and Zach Lowe mentioned Mo Harkless as a good young player that fell out of Orlando's rotation. Simmons actually said that he would be the typical low key move the Spurs would make. 6'8 and 7'1 wingspan and a good athlete. Ayers for Harkless works with maybe a second rounder thrown in. The Spurs would lose 2.8 million in cap space next season,though, but could gain a backup SF (probably more for next season)

[Johnny RIngo]

The addition the Spurs have made this season is a vastly improved and more confident Cory Joseph. Most teams would love to be legitimately three deep at the PG position.

Three deep? SA only has two good point guards at the moment. Unless you're including the French turd in your assessment.

[look_at_g_shred]

Spurs will stand pat per the usual
They didn't last season.

[look_at_g_shred]

Simmons and Zach Lowe mentioned Mo Harkless as a good young player that fell out of Orlando's rotation. Simmons actually said that he would be the typical low key move the Spurs would make. 6'8 and 7'1 wingspan and a good athlete. Ayers for Harkless works with maybe a second rounder thrown in. The Spurs would lose 2.8 million in cap space next season,though, but could gain a backup SF (probably more for next season)
I've loved what i've seen from Harkless.

[100%duncan]

They didn't last season.

who? i dont remember haha

[look_at_g_shred]

who? i dont remember haha
I get it, Your being Sarcastic. Good job. :lol

[100%duncan]

I get it, Your being Sarcastic. Good job. :lol

:lol

[CGD]

I've loved what i've seen from Harkless.

Heard the podcast too. Would be a good get for ayers or daye.

[monkeypunk]

i think they'll dump Daye for a future pick and leave the slot open for any last minute released players.

[bklynspursfan]

wilson chandler would be nice, but don't see it happening. since apparently denver is shopping him

[cjw]

2008? (Brent Barry for Kurt Thomas)

You mean Kurt Thomas for the pick that became Roddy Beaubois (given Barry signed back in SA after a month).

More interesting is that the summer before, the Sonics had received two firsts to take on Thomas' contract from the Suns in order to shed his salary and get a trade exception. One of those picks turned into Ibaka. He would have fit in rather nicely on those Phoenix squads.

[Mel_13]

Ah, the annual trade deadline thread. The place where the hopes and dreams of Spurtalkers through the years have come to die.

[Robz4000]

Guys, can we trade Bonner, Ayers, and a 2nd round pick for Anthony Davis? I really think he would make us better! I don't want to include Daye though, he had 22 points the other night !!!!!!!!

[ElNono]

Guys, can we trade Bonner, Ayers, and a 2nd round pick for Anthony Davis? I really think he would make us better! I don't want to include Daye though, he had 22 points the other night !!!!!!!!

Anthony Davis is finished, folks.

[Vic Petro]

Hopefully this is the year we finally get Ioannis Bourousis :hungry:

[taps]

Ah, the annual trade deadline thread. The place where the hopes and dreams of Spurtalkers through the years have come to die.

...then rise like a phoenix from arizona in the next year's thread.

[Brazil]

Ah, the annual trade deadline thread. The place where the hopes and dreams of Spurtalkers through the years have come to die.

I think this thread will be a bit dead compared to past years... of course there will be rumors about Spurs interested on x dude but I believe everybody realizes that the Spurs made all the effort to go for the back to back with the same guys... I've seen nothing that could let us think they could do a move significant. They could think at getting a SF if they were worried about Kawhi but that's about it. Big rotations is fine, PG/SG is fine, only "hole" is SF where we are short if Kawhi has further issues.

[lefty]

Parker for Conley pls

[milkyway21]

Let's see how that showcase of Ayres or Daye or even Bellineli advertisements (lead in scoring due to add'l minutes & starting spot? :D), goes.
Anybody paying attention? :wakeup

[Mugen]

Tayshaun Prince is negotiating a buyout with Boston...

[SpurPadre]

AK-47 anyone?

After how he's dissed Brett Brown, Pop surely wouldn't want to have anything to do with him. Besides, he's going to be 34 next month and turned us down before so fuck him.

[NASpurs]

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[beirmeistr]

Prince would be a good pickup, loads of experience.

[milkyway21]

Parker for Conley pls

:td

[ace3g]

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[cd021]

I've loved what i've seen from Harkless.

never watched him play ,personally, what stood out?

[Chomag]

We all know the FO goes on vacation this time of year. In other words I'm not expecting much of anything.

[cjw]

555135873222598656

Not sure why Denver makes this trade except for the fact that it knows it's most likely capped out next offseason anyway, and Jameer has a player option so would be an expiring contract next season. Robinson could have value at the deadline for Boston (assuming he can be traded again in a month) and is an expiring, further allowing them to purge for this offseason.

[cd021]

Someone posted a trade in another thread involving Afflalo. Trade Machine approved it even though Denver would have had to many players. Now that Mosgov is gone:

Spurs Get

Aron Affalo
Alonzo Gee

Denver Gets

Jeff Ayers ($1.8)

Marco Belinelli ($2.8)

Austin Daye ($1.0)

*Protected 1st round pick (something like top 18 protected)


(We could sub in Cojo instead of our 1st round pick)

[ace3g]

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[ginobilized]

I wonder if Baynes is just in the doghouse or might be on the trading block.
Next 5 weeks should be interesting, doubt the Spurs do anything, though.

[outmap]

never watched him play ,personally, what stood out?

Long, athletic 3 with a questionable jump shot. A poor man's Giannis Antetokounmpo or a rich man's Luc Mbah a Moute.

[RD2191]

Parker, trade him.

[cd021]

Parker, trade him.

Seriously though, I wouldn't be shocked if the Spurs did after this season. Assuming all the following happens:

1. Tim & Manu both retire
2. The Spurs lose early in the playoffs
3. Organization is worried about Parkers long term health and his ability to live up to his deal .

Mentioned this in another thread but Indiana and the Knicks are two teams that need a PG. Both will likely have lottery picks as well. If the Knicks don't get #1 (or don't love who's available with their pick) would be interesting to see if Phil tries to dangle it in a trade for a "star" Parker is 32 but still has a good reputation around the league even if teams haven't quite caught on to Parker showing signs of decline.

As for the Pacers, [George] Hill, Ian Mahinmi and a future first rounder for Parker would be a pretty good hall. We'd get a backup 2 and a backup center for less than Parkers salary next season. The season after next, Hill's contract is expiring and could be used as trade bait.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Nets talking to several teams, but officials around league say Nets making second hard push for intel on Charlotte's Lance Stephenson.


Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Brooklyn has accelerated trade discussions for Brook Lopez with the intention on moving him soon, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

The Boston Celitcs, Los Angeles Clippers and Phoenix Suns have agreed upon a three-team trade, sources tell RealGM.
Austin Rivers will be dealt to the Clippers with Reggie Bullock going to the Suns and Shavlik Randolph being sent to the Celtics.
Rivers was dealt from the New Orleans Pelicans to the Celtics as part of the three-team Jeff Green trade.
Rivers will be an unrestricted free agent in the offseason as the Pelicans declined their 15-16 option on his contract in October.
Dan Woike of the Orange County register reports (https://twitter.com/DanWoikeSports/status/555828647634804736) that Chris Douglas-Roberts will be included the deal for the Celtics. Mark Murphy of the Boston Herald adds (https://twitter.com/Murf56/status/555831914935119872) that Douglas-Roberts will be waived by Boston.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/236268/Clippers-Celtics-Suns-Agree-Upon-Three-Team-Trade

[cd021]

Denver's Afflalo and Chandler make the most sense for us IMO.

Afflalo would probably opt out after this season with his PO. Chandler, I believe, has an team option. Both have reps as good defenders and can shoot. Chandlers a bit more streaky but can get hot from 3. He also can play some small ball 4, though he probably wouldn't be doing a ton of that.

Afflalo could probably get 20 mpg. With Green getting around 20-22 MPG and Manu closing out games as the 2 guard while also backing up Kawhi.

Chandler could get around 15 minutes as the backup 3, depending on the match up in the playoffs. He would give us one of the bigger wing rotations in the NBA with Green 6'6, Manu 6'6, Leonard 6'7 and Chandler 6'8

[Chinook]

It would take a hell of a lot of contracts to trade for Lopez, but I think the team could do it if they really wanted to. Besides Brook, there's very little I'd want out there.

[Sean Cagney]

I wonder if Baynes is just in the doghouse or might be on the trading block.
Next 5 weeks should be interesting, doubt the Spurs do anything, though.
This is the Spurs man, the next 5 weeks for us will be anything but interesting on the trade deadline except some rumors or even they came close to a deal but it fell through. This is not a bad thing but it's the Spurs and thats the way they move. Expect nothing to happen at all.

[BatManu20]

Spurs will make some calls regarding Daye, but in the end will likely stay pat.

[FireMicoHalili]

Seriously though, I wouldn't be shocked if the Spurs did after this season. Assuming all the following happens:

1. Tim & Manu both retire
2. The Spurs lose early in the playoffs
3. Organization is worried about Parkers long term health and his ability to live up to his deal .

Mentioned this in another thread but Indiana and the Knicks are two teams that need a PG. Both will likely have lottery picks as well. If the Knicks don't get #1 (or don't love who's available with their pick) would be interesting to see if Phil tries to dangle it in a trade for a "star" Parker is 32 but still has a good reputation around the league even if teams haven't quite caught on to Parker showing signs of decline.

As for the Pacers, [George] Hill, Ian Mahinmi and a future first rounder for Parker would be a pretty good hall. We'd get a backup 2 and a backup center for less than Parkers salary next season. The season after next, Hill's contract is expiring and could be used as trade bait.
Teague and Scott for Parker and someone's draft rights could check out financially. IIRC Spurs were interested in drafting him a couple years back because of his length.

[Spursfanfromafar]

The one position that has been deficient this season has been the PF - at where Diaw + Bonner + Daye + Ayres have been basically mediocre. If the Spurs can snag a decent defensive minded athletic big, it would be enough for the season. Trouble is there is no one like that who fits the picture and will be traded before the deadline. The ideal player would be Amir Johnson and the one good thing is that he is a FA next season and is a possibility next season but not this one, unfortunately.

[Texas_Ranger]

lol Suns... gonna finish the season with 15 guards.

[Sean Cagney]

The one position that has been deficient this season has been the PF - at where Diaw + Bonner + Daye + Ayres have been basically mediocre. If the Spurs can snag a decent defensive minded athletic big, it would be enough for the season. Trouble is there is no one like that who fits the picture and will be traded before the deadline. The ideal player would be Amir Johnson and the one good thing is that he is a FA next season and is a possibility next season but not this one, unfortunately.
^^ Basically this.
lol Suns... gonna finish the season with 15 guards.

What the hell are they thinking?

[Aremid]

This is the Spurs man, the next 5 weeks for us will be anything but interesting on the trade deadline except some rumors or even they came close to a deal but it fell through. This is not a bad thing but it's the Spurs and thats the way they move. Expect nothing to happen at all.


The one team who has owned us in the regular season and already gives us matchup nightmares (Houston) and the two teams who came within either 1 game (dallas) or two games okc) of beating us in the playoffs last year have all gotten better w trades while we've sat on our asses, injured, and have done absolutely nothing about it. How is this not a bad thing?

[ace3g]

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[ace3g]

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[cd021]

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Interesting to see if the Spurs shop Mills to Detroit or Milwaukee given their injuries. Both are in the playoff race in the east.

If the Spurs are planning to get max cap space they'd likely have to move Mills (and hope the cap jumps more than projected, to around $68.5 million)

[Mr Bones]

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Interesting to see if the Spurs shop Mills to Detroit or Milwaukee given their injuries. Both are in the playoff race in the east.

If the Spurs are planning to get max cap space they'd likely have to move Mills (and hope the cap jumps more than projected, to around $68.5 million)


Mills has such a reasonable contract, plus he's a quality player that they've developed -- I can't see the Spurs trading him unless they got something unbelievable in return.

[hsxvvd]

Mills isn't going anywhere.

[cd021]

Mills has such a reasonable contract, plus he's a quality player that they've developed -- I can't see the Spurs trading him unless they got something unbelievable in return.

If they want to clear a max salary spot ($20 million) they would have to move Mills. That or trade one of Splitter, Diaw, Parker or renounce Green in FA. It may not happen during the season but its certainly possible.

[Johnny RIngo]

If they want to clear a max salary spot ($20 million) they would have to move Mills. That or trade one of Splitter, Diaw, Parker or renounce Green in FA. It may not happen during the season but its certainly possible.

That Parker extension is looking horrid now. If they waited one more year to resign him, they would have had a lot more flexibility with the cap.

[Spursfanfromafar]

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Interesting to see if the Spurs shop Mills to Detroit or Milwaukee given their injuries. Both are in the playoff race in the east.

If the Spurs are planning to get max cap space they'd likely have to move Mills (and hope the cap jumps more than projected, to around $68.5 million)

If the Spurs are planning to sell off family silver and give up the possibility of winning the title this year with the idea of perhaps be able to contend in the future... you know where I am going..

[Spursfanfromafar]

Pistons, I suspect will land up Pablo Prigioni as a backup for Augustin. Won't miss too much of a beat, methinks.

[cd021]

That Parker extension is looking horrid now. If they waited one more year to resign him, they would have had a lot more flexibility with the cap.

I defended it then, now not so much. It did kill our flexibility, a bit. Its also looking bad because he appears to be declining much quicker than expected. 2nd worst P.E.R of his career (15.), worst win shares per 48 minutes of his career (.80) and worst net rating of his career (-4)

Unless the cap jumps past the projected $66.5 million to around $71 million (if my math is right) we'd likely have to part with Mills to clear up max space.

[Johnny RIngo]

Unless the cap jumps past the projected $66.5 million to around $71 million (if my math is right) we'd likely have to part with Mills to clear up max space.

Which would be a shame because Mills is a much better player than Parker at the moment.

[benefactor]

Mills isn't going anywhere.

[buttsR4rebounding]

The place the Spurs might make a significant move is after the trade deadline and all of the buyouts occur. The Spurs have the full MLE available for the right candidate which is more than any other contender, I believe. The Spurs could look very attractive to a veteran who can also make the most money here. If they don't like the menu then they just stay with home cooking.

[100%duncan]

This team has no chance of repeating if they move Mills. That's that.

[Spurs9]

Mr Panda is headed back to the US from Chin:lol

[Brazil]

Mills is not going anywhere...

As for Parker, I'm not sure it exists a worst moment to shop him around :lol

[jon123spurs]

Drummond for CoJo works in the trade machine. So if Detroit needs a backup pg. They probably say no lol.

[Chinook]

Mills is not going anywhere...

As for Parker, I'm not sure it exists a worst moment to shop him around :lol

Eh, the Nets would jump all over him in a deal that moves Williams. Hell, the Kings would probably take Parker instead of Williams, maybe even give up Collison for him.

Like Collison/Derrick Williams/rights to swap firsts with SAC for Parker/Ayres. Who says no?

[cjw]

The place the Spurs might make a significant move is after the trade deadline and all of the buyouts occur. The Spurs have the full MLE available for the right candidate which is more than any other contender, I believe. The Spurs could look very attractive to a veteran who can also make the most money here. If they don't like the menu then they just stay with home cooking.

It would be great to ship out Ayres for a top-55 protected pick to free up a roster spot + sign JGreen to one of those 1 guaranteed & 2 team option deals, freeing up a roster spot for an inevitable buyout. What does the buyout market look like? Given how many teams are competing, it seems pretty bleak.

[Johnny RIngo]

Eh, the Nets would jump all over him in a deal that moves Williams. Hell, the Kings would probably take Parker instead of Williams, maybe even give up Collison for him.

Lionel Hollins is definitely the type of low IQ coach that would take Parker. Doesn't believe in stats/metrics and primarily gauges talent based on the "eye test". Unfortunately, there's no on on the Nets I really want that would make sense in a Parker trade. Johnson would be nice but his contract is terrible and impossible to trade for. Deron is better than Parker but it's not much of an upgrade and Pop probably hates him after the way he threw Sloan under the bus.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Eh, the Nets would jump all over him in a deal that moves Williams. Hell, the Kings would probably take Parker instead of Williams, maybe even give up Collison for him.

Like Collison/Derrick Williams/rights to swap firsts with SAC for Parker/Ayres. Who says no?

Anyone with a brain.

[Brazil]

Deron is better than Parker

:lmao

[Chinook]

Anyone with a brain.

I guess I'm asking which side gives up more value.

[Brazil]

Eh, the Nets would jump all over him in a deal that moves Williams. Hell, the Kings would probably take Parker instead of Williams, maybe even give up Collison for him.

Like Collison/Derrick Williams/rights to swap firsts with SAC for Parker/Ayres. Who says no?

a lot of people say no

I don't think anybody will take a risk on Parker and his contract before knowing if he can come back at a decent level

[Spursfanfromafar]

I guess I'm asking which side gives up more value.

Derrick Williams is more or less a draft bust. Has shown no improvement at all. I don't think he fits the Spurs in any manner. Collison is quick and has improved his decision making but his defense is suspect and he is a middling PG, whose work I think, can be upstaged by the Mills-Joseph combo.

If ever I decided to trade Parker, I would do so only if there is a young big got in return who could be developed to add to a post-TD frontline and to perform adequately.

[Spursfanfromafar]

a lot of people say no

I don't think anybody will take a risk on Parker and his contract before knowing if he can come back at a decent level

I disagree. Lots of folks would want to take a risk on Parker. He would be a great triangle offense PG for e.g. and will be a great fit in NY.

Methinks, when he gets better health-wise, he will have a productive year or two for the Spurs. Waste of time thinking of a trade this season. Offseason, if opportunities present itself (and Manu/TD retire), perhaps.

[Chinook]

a lot of people say no

I don't think anybody will take a risk on Parker and his contract before knowing if he can come back at a decent level

He has a better track-record than Williams, and he's set to expire with Gay/Cousin. I think SAC would love to have him, especially because he's cheaper.

[Johnny RIngo]

If ever I decided to trade Parker, I would do so only if there is a young big got in return who could be developed to add to a post-TD frontline and to perform adequately.

No team's going to trade a big with potential for a declining point guard that's on a really bad contract.

[Chinook]

Williams is a bust, but he's pretty much just salary ballast. The point of trading Parker would be to free cap space. So even though Thompson is better, he wouldn't be a great target. I think Collison can give what the Spurs realistically expect from Parker. However, he doesn't have as much upside. We're also talking about a lottery pick, though, which is nice in a big-heavy draft. And it creates a small TE. Not exactly a terrible haul, in my opinion.

[Brazil]

He has a better track-record than Williams, and he's set to expire with Gay/Cousin. I think SAC would love to have him, especially because he's cheaper.

I still think it is not the best time for Spurs to trade him... but yeah you maybe right I can see a team trying to get him cheap and betting on his recovery

[DPG21920]

Trying to win a title with Collison? Good luck.

[Johnny RIngo]

:lmao

H2H stats this season against one another:

20.5 ppg/8.0 apg/4.0 rpg/1.0 spg/1.0 bpg/2.5 TOs on 53 TS% - DWill
15.5 ppg/6.5 apg/1.5 rpg/0.5 spg/0.0 bpg/3.0 TOs on 56 TS% - Parker

He doesn't destroy Parker the way Westbrook does but it's still's an easy win for DWill. In any case, I did say it's not much of an upgrade. Deron's a cancer in the lockeroom and his contract is worse than Parker's so it's not worth it anyway. I only mentioned Nets players because they would be one of the few teams in the league dumb enough to take Parker...unfortunately they're riddled with bad contracts so there's nothing to gain from a Brooklyn trade.

[Nathan89]

If we can get nuggets as a third team to give us Chandler or afflalo over derrick it would look much better.

[Brazil]

H2H stats this season against one another:

20.5 ppg/8.0 apg/4.0 rpg/1.0 spg/1.0 bpg/2.5 TOs on 53 TS% - DWill
15.5 ppg/6.5 apg/1.5 rpg/0.5 spg/0.0 bpg/3.0 TOs on 56 TS% - Parker

He doesn't destroy Parker the way Westbrook does but it's still's an easy win for DWill. In any case, I did say it's not much of an upgrade. Deron's a cancer in the lockeroom and his contract is worse than Parker's so it's not worth it anyway. I only mentioned Nets players because they would be one of the few teams in the league dumb enough to take Parker...unfortunately they're riddled with bad contracts so there's nothing to gain from a Brooklyn trade.

The fact that TP has a shitty season so far does not erase the fact he has been a much much better player than Dwill since dude has been traded to NY. DWill did not play any decent bb for 4-5 years... his FG% is putrid and compared to him Parker D looks stellar. With DWill you know what you have... a fat PG who gave a shit the last time 6 years ago with one of the most awful contract in NBA history.

Parker can still turn it around... DWill is done.

I'm just :lmao at your dumb enough, if BKN could somehow swap both contract they would look like freaking genius... DWill is eating 22 M of salary cap. If Dwill was Spurs PG you would have terminated your life...


BTW I'm still waiting for your come back on the RAPM thread that showed Manu 6th in the league last year and Parker 12th tbh....

[Brazil]

Trying to win a title with Collison? Good luck.

Always liked Collison... one of the most underrated role player of the league imho

[Johnny RIngo]

The fact that TP has a shitty season so far does not erase the fact he has been a much much better player than Dwill since dude has been traded to NY. DWill did not play any decent bb for 4-5 years... his FG% is putrid and compared to him Parker D looks stellar. With DWill you know what you have... a fat PG who gave a shit the last time 6 years ago with one of the most awful contract in NBA history.

Parker can still turn it around... DWill is done.

I'm just :lmao at your dumb enough, if BKN could somehow swap both contract they would look like freaking genius... DWill is eating 22 M of salary cap. If Dwill was Spurs PG you would have terminated your life...


:lol relax man, I did say it wasn't much of an upgrade and already brought up Deron's poisonous contract making it impossible. You're way too defensive when it comes to Tony.

[Brazil]

:lol relax man, I did say it wasn't much of an upgrade and already brought up Deron's poisonous contract making it impossible. You're way too defensive when it comes to Tony.

sure :rolleyes

and you are still with the "they would be one of the few teams in the league dumb enough to take Parker"

still waiting your RAPM exit :lol that's some powerful advanced metrics right there....

[cd98]

You guys need to stop dreaming of the Spurs trading Parker. It will not happen. It would take a ridiculous trade in their favor, which they would not do. Parker will play better, and he is better than the majority of the starting point guards. I doubt the Spurs make a move, but if they did, it would be to bring in a quality small forward to back up Kawhi. That said, I really doubt we make any trades. There is a possibility that we sign a player after the trade deadline that is bought out for the rest of the season. I could see that happening. But the Spurs want to repeat with Tim, Tony, and Manu and it would take some extraordinary offer to have them give up a guard like Tony. We are in win-now mode, so we aren't trading a player of Tony Parker's quality for a "young big" that won't get off the bench in the playoffs.

[intlspurshk]

SPURS won't trade Parker unless Parker wants to be traded. The team values loyalty (not the loyalty which exists only in Derek Anderson's mind)

[ElNono]

Tony isn't going anywhere, tbh... neither is Mills, IMO.

[Ibleedslvrnblk]

So if a new PG comes in for Parker as many as you wish. You expect things just to keep going as is? Chemistry? Learn the O? Very specific plays are privileged to play here. Maybe you should be happy with what you got. Josh Smith seems to be working great for Houston where they are now 10-7 with him...

[RD2191]

In before Chris Broussard.

[monkeypunk]

Tony isn't going anywhere, tbh... neither is Mills, IMO.

[Chinook]

So if a new PG comes in for Parker as many as you wish. You expect things just to keep going as is? Chemistry? Learn the O? Very specific plays are privileged to play here. Maybe you should be happy with what you got. Josh Smith seems to be working great for Houston where they are now 10-7 with him...

The idea is to promote Mills or Joseph, who already have chemistry and knowledge of the offense. There are reasons to think trading Tony is silly, but worrying about finding a PG who fits in with the team is not one of them.

[cjw]

Only time to talk about trading Parker is this offseason if he picks it up and shows his problems were injuries he got over vs. age. Market would be decent for someone making $12.5mm a year (3 more years), which is pretty much middle of the road for point guards. There's a big difference between trading a deal that big and a max deal.

That said, not sure what sparing Parker's cap space does. Only a few guys are worth the max this offseason and likely aren't on the move. Dragic maybe? But wouldn't a team try to go sign him instead of trading assets for Parker? And anyone trading assets for Parker = likely sending salary back in return so there goes the cap space argument.

[cd98]

Most teams in the league are going to worry about what they are getting if the Spurs started shopping Tony Parker. Why would a title contending team looking to win in the short run trade its starting point guard?

[Ibleedslvrnblk]

The idea is to promote Mills or Joseph, who already have chemistry and knowledge of the offense. There are reasons to think trading Tony is silly, but worrying about finding a PG who fits in with the team is not one of them.

Neither of those guys can run a team for 82 games and high minutes

[Malik Hairston]

If the Spurs trade Parker, I'll kill myself and die happy, tbh..

[superbigtime]

Drummond for CoJo works in the trade machine. So if Detroit needs a backup pg. They probably say no lol.

Wet dream, how awesome is that guy. Drummond is the fuckn shit.

[buttsR4rebounding]

It would be great to ship out Ayres for a top-55 protected pick to free up a roster spot + sign JGreen to one of those 1 guaranteed & 2 team option deals, freeing up a roster spot for an inevitable buyout. What does the buyout market look like? Given how many teams are competing, it seems pretty bleak.

Make no mistake. If the Spurs sign someone else JGreen is on a fast train, er bus, to Austin. Ayres guaranteed money and improved performance guarantee that.

[Mel_13]

I disagree. Lots of folks would want to take a risk on Parker. He would be a great triangle offense PG for e.g. and will be a great fit in NY.

Methinks, when he gets better health-wise, he will have a productive year or two for the Spurs. Waste of time thinking of a trade this season. Offseason, if opportunities present itself (and Manu/TD retire), perhaps.

Pop's not shipping Tony out midseason, especially to an NBA purgatory like Sactown.

[Ditty]

:lol thinking Parker is going to be traded

[Mel_13]

The place the Spurs might make a significant move is after the trade deadline and all of the buyouts occur. The Spurs have the full MLE available for the right candidate which is more than any other contender, I believe. The Spurs could look very attractive to a veteran who can also make the most money here. If they don't like the menu then they just stay with home cooking.

They used about 2.1M of the MLE to sign Baynes. They have about 3.2M remaining.

[cd021]

I disagree. Lots of folks would want to take a risk on Parker. He would be a great triangle offense PG for e.g. and will be a great fit in NY.

Methinks, when he gets better health-wise, he will have a productive year or two for the Spurs. Waste of time thinking of a trade this season. Offseason, if opportunities present itself (and Manu/TD retire), perhaps.

I mentioned earlier that Parker for Knicks lottery pick (not if if falls in the top 3) and Calderon. It would have to happen during the draft because the Knicks traded their pick last season.

We'd get a lottery pick and a 3rd PG. After after next season, Calderon will become a expiring contract with a $11.1 million trade value. They'd acquire Parker for only $3.5 million more than Calderon + their lottery pick would have cost. The Knicks would still have $23 million to spend after the trade (including roster charges for having only 4 players under contract)

[Mel_13]

I mentioned earlier that Parker for Knicks lottery pick (not if if falls in the top 3) and Calderon. It would have to happen during the draft because the Knicks traded their pick last season.

We'd get a lottery pick and a 3rd PG. After after next season, Calderon will become a expiring contract with a $11.1 million trade value. They'd acquire Parker for only $3.5 million more than Calderon + their lottery pick would have cost. The Knicks would still have $23 million to spend after the trade (including roster charges for having only 4 players under contract)

That trade would actually have to happen after July 1st. What NY did with last year's pick doesn't matter. The rule is that you can't trade first round picks in consecutive future drafts. It would have to happen after July 1st because you describe a trade which requires that NY have cap space to absorb the difference in salaries. They won't have that cap space until after July 1st. They could agree to the deal before the draft and NY could draft a player of San Antonio's choosing to be traded in July.

[Seventyniner]

That trade would actually have to happen after July 1st. What NY did with last year's pick doesn't matter. The rule is that you can't trade first round picks in consecutive future drafts. It would have to happen after July 1st because you describe a trade which requires that NY have cap space to absorb the difference in salaries. They won't have that cap space until after July 1st. They could agree to the deal before the draft and NY could draft a player of San Antonio's choosing to be traded in July.

I know that you know the rule, but the way you worded it could be seen the wrong way. A team can trade their 1st-rounder every year, as long as they have a 1st-round pick for the next year. A better way to say it is: a team cannot make a trade that leaves them without any 1st-round draft picks in two consecutive future years.

[Mel_13]

I know that you know the rule, but the way you worded it could be seen the wrong way. A team can trade their 1st-rounder every year, as long as they have a 1st-round pick for the next year. A better way to say it is: a team cannot make a trade that leaves them without any 1st-round draft picks in two consecutive future years.

:tu

I'm all for clarity.

For anyone interested in all the dirty details of the Stepien Rule and how it got it's name, read here:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q87

[Sean Cagney]

If the Spurs trade Parker, I'll kill myself and die happy, tbh..

Now who are they going to get in return that is going to help them at all? Parker is a vet now with miles on those legs, what they get in return will not be worth his value at all.

[100%duncan]

Did someone actually say that Deron Williams is better than Tony Parker? Holy fucking shit, I've seen the stupidest of them all.

[ace3g]

2 weeks away.

[Chomag]

Spur's FO vacation time tbh

[objective]

Nuggets allegedly hot to trade for a 'star player' (http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-pm-nuggets-looking-to-make-trades/)

Parker for Lawson straight up works for me, I'm sure Shaw would love to have a 'star' veteran like Parker.

Hell, I'd throw in LJC and the 2015 first rounder to get it done.

[ace3g]

Report: Bulls make Taj Gibson available for trade talkshttp://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25052176/report-bulls-make-taj-gibson-available-for-trade-talks

[Robz4000]

Report: Bulls make Taj Gibson available for trade talkshttp://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25052176/report-bulls-make-taj-gibson-available-for-trade-talks

Wonder what they'd want for him...

[ducks]

wonder what they want for butler

[FlAVaK]

Knicks looking to buyout Bargnani, Stoudemire unsure about situation...

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/amar-e-stoudemire--i-ll-decide-during-all-star-break-whether-to-ask-knicks-for-buyout-054810602.html

(Also: Amar'e looking for broadcasting career)

[Nathan89]

I'll take amare.

[Uriel]

If RC couldn't pull off a noteworthy trade last year when the Spurs were reported to be "active" in trade discussions, how much less so this year, when this exact same roster won the NBA championship?

[100%duncan]

If RC couldn't pull off a noteworthy trade last year when the Spurs were reported to be "active" in trade discussions, how much less so this year, when this exact same roster won the NBA championship?

The more the talk of them moving someone the less likely it happens. That's usually the trend with the Spurs FO for quite a while now.

[szkorhetz]

I'll take amare.

[Mel_13]

“For us to be open to improving the group and adding more depth, with Thabo healthy or without Thabo healthy or without Thabo having this injury, it’s kind of the same mindset,” coach Mike Budenolzer said. “We really like our group. You are hesitant to do anything. There is a little more opportunity for a six- to eight-week window but I don’t think it changes much if at all.”

http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/basketball/with-sefolosha-out-will-hawks-make-a-trade/nj4rT/

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[cd021]

Branden Bass
Amare Stoudimire
Kevin Garnett
Andrea Bargnani

all are possible buyout candidates. Garnett doesn't seem like he wants out but he there is still a chance he gets brought out. I think the Celtics would buyout Bass if they can't find a taker at the deadline.

[look_at_g_shred]

Al Harrington anyone?

[Mel_13]

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[Robz4000]

Feel bad for Neal. Wonder if there's any chance he gets bought out?

[cjw]

565207273224798209

Probably has to be structured as two separate trades - Daniels for the pick, and Neal for Williams, given trade restrictions on Daniels (was traded to Minnesota less than 2 months ago).

Likely also spells the end for Neal in the NBA unless he can reinvent himself with the worst team in the league. Just a salary dump for Minnesota that saves them over a million and puts them under the cap - not that it matters at this point.

[in2deep]

:lol thinking Parker is going to be traded

this

first of, there is no starting PG talent available we could get back. So Spurs are going to trade their only staring PG? :lol

2nd. Parker is the only true penetrating weapon the Spurs have. Take that away and we have a team full of jumpshooters. Noone to attack the basket. Cojo and patty do not make a living in the paint.

:lol how stupid to suggest that

[Mel_13]

Feel bad for Neal. Wonder if there's any chance he gets bought out?

Could very well happen, but I doubt that Spurs would be interested.


Probably has to be structured as two separate trades - Daniels for the pick, and Neal for Williams, given trade restrictions on Daniels (was traded to Minnesota less than 2 months ago).

Likely also spells the end for Neal in the NBA unless he can reinvent himself with the worst team in the league. Just a salary dump for Minnesota that saves them over a million and puts them under the cap - not that it matters at this point.

I don't think it's the end for Neal, but he may very well have to settle for a vet minimum deal in the summer. The good thing about that is that he can try to find a good fit for his talents.

[Robz4000]

Could very well happen, but I doubt that Spurs would be interested.



I don't think it's the end for Neal, but he may very well have to settle for a vet minimum deal in the summer. The good thing about that is that he can try to find a good fit for his talents.

They wouldn't be (unless they trade Beli and/or Cojo) but it'd be cool for him to wind up on a good team. :lol if it happens to be Memphis.

[loveforthegame]

Too bad for Neal.

[cjw]

I don't think it's the end for Neal, but he may very well have to settle for a vet minimum deal in the summer. The good thing about that is that he can try to find a good fit for his talents.

Woj reporting that Hawks' newly-open roster spot may be used on Neal. Might actually fit in well there as they're painfully short following the Thabo injury. Happy that Neal did get his payday and assuming he put some of it away, should be pretty set in the future.

He may really have just needed a change of scenery. Charlotte is allergic to floor spacing.

[SpurPadre]

Woj reporting that Hawks' newly-open roster spot may be used on Neal. Might actually fit in well there as they're painfully short following the Thabo injury. Happy that Neal did get his payday and assuming he put some of it away, should be pretty set in the future.

He may really have just needed a change of scenery. Charlotte is allergic to floor spacing.

Why hell would Bud want Chuckie McChucker? The guy kills ball movement, is selfish, and can't defend guys not wearing shoes. Hmm, if Bud's desperate for more Spurs ties, RC and Pop should dangle Bonner to him ASAP.

[Chinook]

Adrien Payne to Minny for a 2017 first? I wish the the Spurs would have gotten on that. Payne was a on my wish-list for 30, and I would feel comfortable with the team moving their first this season for him.

[FlAVaK]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ap-source-timberwolves-acquire-adreian-payne-hawks-193011429--nba.html


Moving Payne, a player who wasn't cracking the rotation, also opened up a roster spot for the Hawks, who are believed to be interested in free agent shooting guard Ray Allen as a possibility to bolster the scoring off the bench and also could use a big man to help them on the glass.

[rjv]

annual trade threads always remind me of how many armchair GMs we have on this site...and how many of them are so awful at it too!

[Uriel]

Does anyone here actually think the Spurs will make a move before the deadline? Serious question.

[ElNono]

annual trade threads always remind me of how many armchair GMs we have on this site...and how many of them are so awful at it too!

gee thanks

[Maddog]

Does anyone here actually think the Spurs will make a move before the deadline? Serious question.

No

[SpurPadre]

Does anyone here actually think the Spurs will make a move before the deadline? Serious question.

I think there's a better chance Bonner gets into the HOF.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I really hope we can land AK

[ginobilized]

Does anyone here actually think the Spurs will make a move before the deadline? Serious question.
Yes

Not making a move is making a move in a zen sort of way

[Maddog]

Yes

Not making a move is making a move in a zen sort of way

https://fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net/safe_image.php?d=AQCc1xpsg8vrVNVu&w=470&h=246&url=https%3A%2F%2Fscontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-xpa1%2Ft31.0-8%2Fs720x720%2F10682426_10152822792432037_41247158 40246657063_o.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=9&sw=720&sh=377

[exstatic]

I really hope we can land AK

Not likely at all. You do know that he publicly called out Ettore Messina over leaving CSKA Moscow, right? Pop isn't having any disrespecting of his coaching staff.

[ginobilized]

https://fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net/safe_image.php?d=AQCc1xpsg8vrVNVu&w=470&h=246&url=https%3A%2F%2Fscontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net%2Fhphotos-xpa1%2Ft31.0-8%2Fs720x720%2F10682426_10152822792432037_41247158 40246657063_o.jpg&cfs=1&upscale=1&sx=0&sy=9&sw=720&sh=377

Yes!! I like your style, Maddog

[DrunkTXLabrat]

Adrien Payne to Minny for a 2017 first? I wish the the Spurs would have gotten on that. Payne was a on my wish-list for 30, and I would feel comfortable with the team moving their first this season for him.

x2

[Mel_13]

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[Chinook]

I doubt he can be had for anything that makes sense for the Spurs to give up. He may well be worth a first, but there's no way of knowing that yet, and I'd like the Spurs to get a bit more value, since their pick seems like it'll be pretty decent this year.

[ChumpDumper]

Adrien Payne to Minny for a 2017 first? I wish the the Spurs would have gotten on that. Payne was a on my wish-list for 30, and I would feel comfortable with the team moving their first this season for him.His Austin showcase may have upped his value a bit. He showed some real flashes of dominance, but wasn't consistent. That could have easily been caused by the instability of the situation though.

[cd021]

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[apalisoc_9]

What I would do to get Goran Dragic...

He's 28 year old, still has at least 4 years more of good basketball...would be an OK manu replacement once manu retires...Is a good playoff performer.

I know it's not going to happen, but one can only dream..

What can the spurs offer?

[apalisoc_9]

ayres, 1st round and 2nd round for goran...:lol

on second thought, it's just going to ruin the rotation..so nah I guess.

[Sean Cagney]

What I would do to get Goran Dragic...

He's 28 year old, still has at least 4 years more of good basketball...would be an OK manu replacement once manu retires...Is a good playoff performer.

I know it's not going to happen, but one can only dream..

What can the spurs offer?
Yeah he is nice.

[DJR210]

:lol When will HOU chill w/ the moves and go for some continuity? Shit they never stop.

[benefactor]

565889315734319104

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I'm a fan, but I'm with Chinook. Just don't know how the Spurs could make it work.

[Mel_13]

I doubt he can be had for anything that makes sense for the Spurs to give up. He may well be worth a first, but there's no way of knowing that yet, and I'd like the Spurs to get a bit more value, since their pick seems like it'll be pretty decent this year.


I'm a fan, but I'm with Chinook. Just don't know how the Spurs could make it work.

I'd be very surprised if Orlando gets a future first for Nicholson, and I wouldn't want the Spurs to give up that much. The wording in Stein's tweet seems to suggest that he no longer has a place in Orlando and that they'll work to move him someplace where he'll have an opportunity to become a rotation player.

[Chinook]

A deal for Nicholson would probably be structured around absorbing Andrew into the De Colo TE and moving Ayres to generate a new TE. That would actually be pretty beneficial, since the team is now likely to be over the cap next season.

The issue would be the remaining elements of the deal. Orlando probably wants some type of compensation. Would a second-rounder be enough? Maybe a second and the rights to DeShaun Thomas? I don't want to give up any real asset for Nicholson, since he seems like a Baynes clone at best.

I'll tinker with the trade machine, I guess. It might make sense for the Spurs to use the De Colo TE on Nicholson in a hypothetical scenario in which they have to move Baynes to get a wing upgrade.

EDIT: Maybe something like this...

Spurs in: Afflalo and Nicholson
Spurs out: Beli, Baynes, 2015 first, 2015 second, rights to DeShaun Thomas

Nuggets in: Beli, Baynes, 2015 first
Nuggets out: Afflalo

Magic in: 2015 second, rights to DeShaun Thomas
Magic out: Nicholson

Spurs get a massive upgrade to their backup SF, though I would personally prefer Chandler's versatility. They also have a center locked up for cheap next season if they decide to use cap space after all. Though that's not really a concern until/unless they decide to let go of one of Afflalo or Green.

Nuggets get the first-rounder they want and get some additional value. Beli could probably be moved to a psuedo contender for a pick, and Baynes can fill up some minutes at the five or be traded.

Magic get a pair of assets while not taking on additional salary.

Replacing Afflalo with Chandler would allow the Spurs to trade Ayres instead of Baynes. However, it's not clear that Wilson is a clear upgrade to Beli (not worth a pick for sure), and it's also possible that Denver doesn't think they're getting enough value if they have to eat Ayres.

[Mel_13]

I was thinking much smaller. Nicholson for the DeColo TE + future 2nd + overseas draft rights to any player other than Bertans or LJC.

IMO, an Afflao rental isn't worth including a future first.

[Chinook]

I was thinking much smaller. Nicholson for the DeColo TE + future 2nd + overseas draft rights to any player other than Bertans or LJC.

IMO, an Afflao rental isn't worth including a future first.

I agree it's a steep price that should only be paid if the Spurs were confident that Ginobili was retiring (and based on everything I've seen, it's the opposite). A wing rotation of Green/Leonard/Afflalo would be really solid, and Anderson would have a few more years to grow.

I'm not sure it makes sense to trade for Nicholson unless at least one of the current bigs went out. Trading Ayres would be the best since it creates a nice exception while losing no on-court value. Maybe the Spurs could throw in some cash in cover the remainder of Ayres' contract.

[Mel_13]

I agree it's a steep price that should only be paid if the Spurs were confident that Ginobili was retiring (and based on everything I've seen, it's the opposite). A wing rotation of Green/Leonard/Afflalo would be really solid, and Anderson would have a few more years to grow.

I'm not sure it makes sense to trade for Nicholson unless at least one of the current bigs went out. Trading Ayres would be the best since it creates a nice exception while losing no on-court value. Maybe the Spurs could throw in some cash in cover the remainder of Ayres' contract.

In that scenario I assume that they waive Ayres rather than including enough cash to cover the remainder of his salary. Same cost in dollars, but doesn't count against the 3M that they can use in a trade until June 30th.

I'd be more interested in Afflalo if he waived his player option for next year. As it stands, I view him as a rental for 29 games plus the playoffs.

[Chinook]

In that scenario I assume that they waive Ayres rather than including enough cash to cover the remainder of his salary. Same cost in dollars, but doesn't count against the 3M that they can use in a trade until June 30th.

I'd be more interested in Afflalo if he waived his player option for next year. As it stands, I view him as a rental for 29 games plus the playoffs.

The part about trading Ayres and cash was in a scenario where the Spurs did not plan to use cap space in 2015 (the most likely scenario). At that point, the Spurs are spending $640k or so to create a $2 Million trade exception. That seems like a better use of cash than keeping it for draft night. I don't think the team would even come close to deal with that type of cash in a single transaction.

Also, this scenario is a prime example of why having a small TE can be beneficial. If the team spends a couple more seasons making small trades to refresh and expand their TE, it could be MLE-sized. Would be a fine haul for pretty much just shuffling the back of the roster.

[Mel_13]

The part about trading Ayres and cash was in a scenario where the Spurs did not plan to use cap space in 2015 (the most likely scenario). At that point, the Spurs are spending $640k or so to create a $2 Million trade exception. That seems like a better use of cash than keeping it for draft night. I don't think the team would even come close to deal with that type of cash in a single transaction.

Also, this scenario is a prime example of why having a small TE can be beneficial. If the team spends a couple more seasons making small trades to refresh and expand their TE, it could be MLE-sized. Would be a fine haul for pretty much just shuffling the back of the roster.

I'd agree. The 2M TE would be worth the price.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

I wanted the spurs to trade for Nicholson on the night he was drafted. I hope the time is finally here. I wouldn't trade Baynes at all though. Work the trade exception with Ayers, cut Ayers, only use 2nds. And my comments in the church of Nicholson thread would be more sunny and rosey.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

I'd take harkless too.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-magic-all-star-notebook-0213-20150212-story.html

[Dverde]

If the Spurs people in Orlando don't like Nickolson then the Spurs won't trade for him.

[palangi]

I'd take harkless too.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-magic-all-star-notebook-0213-20150212-story.html
I'd rather wait until next year and bring over the same person without giving up any assets. Livio Jean-Charles. A 6'9" athletic kid with lots of length.

[ElNono]

Only 7 pages? You guys slipping...

[Hoops Czar]

I'd rather wait until next year and bring over the same person without giving up any assets. Livio Jean-Charles. A 6'9" athletic kid with lots of length.

Last I heard, He was busting, not to be confused with beasting, it up in the French Pro A League. He's been so bad, he barely sees court time. If he can't make it there, he doesn't stand a chance of making it here.

[SpurPadre]

I doubt he can be had for anything that makes sense for the Spurs to give up. He may well be worth a first, but there's no way of knowing that yet, and I'd like the Spurs to get a bit more value, since their pick seems like it'll be pretty decent this year.


That's assuming the Spurs don't repeat.

[Chinook]

That's assuming the Spurs don't repeat.

It's not.

[palangi]

Last I heard, He was busting, not to be confused with beasting, it up in the French Pro A League. He's been so bad, he barely sees court time. If he can't make it there, he doesn't stand a chance of making it here.
http://www.poundingtherock.com/2014/9/17/6328923/spurs-livio-jean-charles-davis-bertans

[Hoops Czar]

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2014/9/17/6328923/spurs-livio-jean-charles-davis-bertans

However, this one is more current...

http://airalamo.com/2014/12/11/spurs-draft-stash-prospect-livio-jean-charles-struggling/

[palangi]

However, this one is more current...

http://airalamo.com/2014/12/11/spurs-draft-stash-prospect-livio-jean-charles-struggling/
I understand it was a bit old. And I fully understand the struggles that he has had as well. But I do find it interesting how many resources they are throwing into him. And it would be interesting to know how much is going on behind the scenes.

[objective]

Them having people with LJC or keeping close tabs on him isn't unusual. They had a guy with Mahinmi when he was in Europe, and it took years and opportunities from other teams for him to be a legit NBA player. And he grew into legit size

Having a bum knee, little skill, and little success off the bench for a team in the French league doesn't sound like some great prospect. If there was game film from recent games I'd like to see it and see how he looks.

[cd021]

That's assuming the Spurs don't repeat.

They Spurs are likely going to pick around 25. Currently 22nd in the league but 2 games out of the 3rd seed in the West, which would give them at least a top 5 record. It has nothing to due with how far the go in the postseason its based on season standings (if that was what you were implying).

[cd021]

I wanted the spurs to trade for Nicholson on the night he was drafted. I hope the time is finally here. I wouldn't trade Baynes at all though. Work the trade exception with Ayers, cut Ayers, only use 2nds. And my comments in the church of Nicholson thread would be more sunny and rosey.

It seems unlikely that Baynes will return after this season, assuming the Spurs go the max salary route. He could have a small role in our playoff run, but if he could be used in a trade for a prospect I'd be for it. Not necessarily only for Nicholson

[exstatic]

Baynes can only be traded if he consents, since he is on a one year contract.

[TheCerebral1]

First off the posters above who mentioned De Colo, he hasn't been a Spur for over a season. So I'm not sure what that has to do with anything relevant. Nicholson has a good size and uses his body well in the block. Harkless would also be the best perimeter player not named Kawhi in quite some time. With no offense to Danny Green.

[ace3g]

First off the posters above who mentioned De Colo, he hasn't been a Spur for over a season. So I'm not sure what that has to do with anything relevant. Nicholson has a good size and uses his body well in the block. Harkless would also be the best perimeter player not named Kawhi in quite some time. With no offense to Danny Green.


His trade exception is relevant.

[TheCerebral1]

His trade exception is relevant.

Thank you for the correction, that I didn't know was still relevant.

[cd021]

Baynes can only be traded if he consents, since he is on a one year contract.

I'm aware. If i'm not mistaken, he would also be giving up his bird rights in being traded . Its not likely but there are teams out there looking for size at the deadline. He's been pretty solid this season.

[Hoops Czar]

I'm aware. If i'm not mistaken, he would also be giving up his bird rights in being traded . Its not likely but there are teams out there looking for size at the deadline. He's been pretty solid this season.

Baynes couldn't even get a $2M qualifying offer from another team in the offseason. Even if a team was interested, which they're not, the Spurs will get less of a return in a trade than what Baynes already brings to the table. At best, he's worth a 4th big, end of the bench scrub or a second round pick (not both). I don't see how that would benefit the Spurs in anyway unless you're a big fan of Ayres or Bonner.

[tholdren]

We need no one. And afflalo for anyone but ayers is ludacris

[G-Dawgg]

I think Patty Mills could be possible trade bait Considering how well Cotton has been playing on the Toros

[look_at_g_shred]

lol ^^

[Nathan89]

Trade Marco now that he's not a 3pt champ

[KL2]

Belli, Ayres, dead weight that needs to be gone.

[mando6599]

Are we really going to move anybody y'all? Seriously doubt it.

[SpurPadre]

It's not.

Don't team's that win the Championship automatically get the last pick in the draft?

[SpurPadre]

They Spurs are likely going to pick around 25. Currently 22nd in the league but 2 games out of the 3rd seed in the West, which would give them at least a top 5 record. It has nothing to due with how far the go in the postseason its based on season standings (if that was what you were implying).

I mistook the NBA draft from the NFL version of the draft where their Champ always gets the last pick regardless of their regular season record. My bad.

[timtonymanu]

Don't team's that win the Championship automatically get the last pick in the draft?

No, it's based on your regular season record so the Warriors and Hawks would get the last two picks.

[SpurPadre]

No, it's based on your regular season record so the Warriors and Hawks would get the last two picks.

Yeah, I forgot it's not like the NFL draft.

[Ditty]

I doubt anything goes down. Spurs have a nice 8-9 man playoff rotation if everyone plays to there potential, and I'm pretty sure Pop doesn't want to implement another player to a rotation that has already been struggling at times. It seems like every player is happy, unlike Nando who was the only reason any trade happened last season. The only player that could be traded is Ayers, and that is even reaching. As mentioned Spurs could pick up a cheap player in a trade with potential like Daye last year with Nando's trade exception, and/or a second round draft pick for the 15th spot. I hope the Spurs don't shop there first round pick, there seems to be some good talent if the Spurs pick around the 25th pick in this years draft, that can help them with the rebuild process in 2-3 years.

[cd021]

Baynes couldn't even get a $2M qualifying offer from another team in the offseason. Even if a team was interested, which they're not, the Spurs will get less of a return in a trade than what Baynes already brings to the table. At best, he's worth a 4th big, end of the bench scrub or a second round pick (not both). I don't see how that would benefit the Spurs in anyway unless you're a big fan of Ayres or Bonner.

Not a great gauge of value. Teams generally don't make offers to role player in RFA. Neal didn't get a single offer but once renounced he had several teams interested. He wound up signing with Milwaukee. He didn't have a good season last year, this season he has been an above average center making only $2 million.

Either way Baynes is ,likely, going to have a minimal role in the postseason. There will be series where Diaw will need to start, pushing Splitter to the bench and Bonner into the 4th big spot.

Against teams like Portland, Dallas, and maybe Memphis. He would be the 4th big and probably max out at 15 mpg. Ayers won't play either way. I don't think moving him will have have much of an impact either way unless of injury.

There are teams that could use some additional size. If its just for a second rounder then, its likely a no-go. If its for a young out of rotation player on a rookie scale deal (i.e Plumlee in Phoenix) then it would be more of a possibility. That assumes Baynes thinks he could have a future in Phoenix (he has to consent to any deal)

[Hoops Czar]

Not a great gauge of value. Teams generally don't make offers to role player in RFA. Neal didn't get a single offer but once renounced he had several teams interested. He wound up signing with Milwaukee. He didn't have a good season last year, this season he has been an above average center making only $2 million.

Either way Baynes is ,likely, going to have a minimal role in the postseason. There will be series where Diaw will need to start, pushing Splitter to the bench and Bonner into the 4th big spot.

Against teams like Portland, Dallas, and maybe Memphis. He would be the 4th big and probably max out at 15 mpg. Ayers won't play either way. I don't think moving him will have have much of an impact either way unless of injury.

There are teams that could use some additional size. If its just for a second rounder then, its likely a no-go. If its for a young out of rotation player on a rookie scale deal (i.e Plumlee in Phoenix) then it would be more of a possibility. That assumes Baynes thinks he could have a future in Phoenix (he has to consent to any deal)

Baynes is a product of the system. Gary Neal is a prime example of how the system can benefit the player and what happens when you eliminate it. He has a role and he plays it well. However, what works for the Spurs doesn't necessarily work for other teams. Need I bring up Neal again? However, the point I was trying to make was why would you trade a perfectly good role player for a someone who will almost undoubtedly be of far lesser value?

Size is overrated. What really matters is production coming from any said position. When you look at the Spurs, you can add them to the list of teams who will be in need of a big if you take away Baynes. As it is, they're a pretty poor rebounding team with Duncan and Leonard doing the bulk of the heavy lifting. Bonner and Ayres are essentially useless 95% of the time and any of those two would be a considerable downgrade come playoff time.

Besides, it's rare when the Spurs trade one of their own unless the said player isn't happy with his role or asks to be traded. I don't see Baynes complaining so the odds of him leaving, even if he gave consent are slim to none.

[CGD]

See no need for a move, but would welcome a swap of deepbenchers to get a look at someone, similar to the Nando-Daye swap. Ayers for harkless or victor claver comes to mind. Not that I expect it to work out, but a look doesn't hurt.

[ace3g]

Frank IsolaVerified account ‏@FisolaNYDN (https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN) The Amar'e Stoudemire era is over in New York. The Knicks and Amar'e reached a buyout agreement tonight, sources tell the NY Daily News.

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine)As ESPN reported last week, Mavericks are frontrunners to sign Amar'e Stoudemire once he clears waivers. Clippers and Suns also interested

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA)Sources: Clippers and Mavericks have strong interest in Amar'e Stoudemire, but one darkhorse with level of intrigue is San Antonio.

[Cloud786]

567181567714660352

[ace3g]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)The camp for Kings forward Jason Thompson would like to get him traded before Thursday's deadline, a source said.

[Hoops Czar]

Clips and Mavs are in on every buyout candidate. That's not news.

[look_at_g_shred]

I've always wanted Jason Thompson (heart eyes emoji)

[cd021]

567327652252749824


Money on Miami nabbing him.

[cd021]

Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
(https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo)The camp for Kings forward Jason Thompson would like to get him traded before Thursday's deadline, a source said.




567188931092156417

could be packaged together.

[Chinook]

567188931092156417

could be packaged together.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lw3lhk4

:stirpot:

[Dex]

567327652252749824


Money on Miami nabbing him.

The Clippers and Maverickss are also reportedly interested.

[TheGoldStandard]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lw3lhk4

:stirpot:

I agree with your Ayres trading policy

[Chinook]

I will say in a real-talk fashion that I don't want Stauskas much at all. He doesn't fit in what look to be the team's future plans. I'd much rather get the right to swap picks for the next two drafts. However, if a third team was willing to take Nik and give the Spurs a pick, sure.

[FlAVaK]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lw3lhk4

:stirpot:

:bobo

[TheGoldStandard]

I will say in a real-talk fashion that I don't want Stauskas much at all. He doesn't fit in what look to be the team's future plans. I'd much rather get the right to swap picks for the next two drafts. However, if a third team was willing to take Nik and give the Spurs a pick, sure.

Ship him off to Philly for a nice draft pick

[Chinook]

Ship him off to Philly for a nice draft pick

I doubt they want him. However, if there was a way to combine the SAC swap pick, the Spurs 2017 first and Stauskas into Noel and a high second, hell yeah I'd do it.

[palangi]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q4xtcye

bellineli, cojo, ayers
for
PF Kanter
SG Rodney Hood

i know a lot of you don't like Kanter. But the kid (23 years old) has a very good offensive game and can rebound well. I believe that being in a winning franchise could help him improve defensively. Duncan isn't getting any younger and we need someone who can score in the post. Hood gives us a bench shooter.
Marco gives them a 3 point threat and especially one off the bench. Can be their Manu. Cojo gives them a quality PG right now. Something they don't have. Exum is still raw. And ayers is the backup big they need.

next trade

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qhdazoa

Danny green, Boris Diaw
for
KJ Mcdaniels SG
Jerami. Grant PF
second round pick

KJ gives us a defensive wing still to replace green. England can use the offseason to tweak his shot. But hell at least KJ can make a layup so that is an added bonus. Grant gives us a long athletic backup for Leonard. We can use their second round pick on a big like Robert upshaw C from Washington or dakhari Johnson C of Kentucky. Green is slumping and Diaw is not getting it done. Plus his move makes room for Kanter. And bertans comes over next year to take his spot too.

PG- Parker, mills, anderson
SG- mcdaniels, Manu, Hood
SF- Leonard, grant
PF- Kanter, baynes, bonner
C- Duncan, splitter,

[szkorhetz]

Thompson, anyone?
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/236643/Jason-Thompson-Seeks-Trade-From-Kings-Before-Deadline

I always loved him, although his salary is a bit too hign to make the move.

[cjw]

next trade Danny green, Boris Diaw

You lost me here. Why would the Sixers trade for Green, who is a FA to be, and Diaw who may have finally eaten one too many donuts.

And why would we trade away a proven commodity like Green and Diaw for a rookie and a guy who may not fit like Kanter?

[Chinook]

Thompson, anyone?
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/236643/Jason-Thompson-Seeks-Trade-From-Kings-Before-Deadline

I always loved him, although his salary is a bit too hign to make the move.

If the Spurs still had huge expirings like they have the past few years, I'd've taken on Thompson for an asset. The Kings would have to add a lot of incentive for me to trade a good player for Jason, though.

[palangi]

You lost me here. Why would the Sixers trade for Green, who is a FA to be, and Diaw who may have finally eaten one too many donuts.

And why would we trade away a proven commodity like Green and Diaw for a rookie and a guy who may not fit like Kanter?
They weren't traded for Kanter. Marco, cojo, and ayers were.

green gives them 3 point shooting much needed. An expiring contract. And they were rumored to want to trade mcdaniels. Both these guys give them some vet leadership for the year and championship experience for their guys to be around for a year.

[cjw]

They weren't traded for Kanter. Marco, cojo, and ayers were.

green gives them 3 point shooting much needed. An expiring contract. And they were rumored to want to trade mcdaniels. Both these guys give them some vet leadership for the year and championship experience for their guys to be around for a year.


I meant swapping Diaw for Kanter in the rotation (not directly trading). If Philly wanted veteran leadership, there are plenty of guys out there that don't cost them assets - KJ is a restricted FA so they at least have a right to match. Green is unrestricted and has zero chance of signing. So give up KJ for 25 games of Green plus disinterested Diaw (we've seen what happens then)? While KJ has regressed considerably since the first month of the season, they're not getting zero return for him.

From our perspective, shipping out two perimeter threats for a guy who's shot 24% from three since December 1st seems like a raw deal. Imagine the floor spacing - would make it impossible to play Tiago and Timmy together.

On Kanter, if the price were just CoJo + contracts and the team had no intention of keeping him past this season then it's something to think about. But Kanter is going to be a long-term project and do you want him clogging up substantial cap space?

[Malik Hairston]

First off the posters above who mentioned De Colo, he hasn't been a Spur for over a season. So I'm not sure what that has to do with anything relevant. Nicholson has a good size and uses his body well in the block. Harkless would also be the best perimeter player not named Kawhi in quite some time. With no offense to Danny Green.

Jesus, Spurs fans love scrubs, tbh:lol..

Reminds me of when we were all hyping Mahinmi and wondering why he couldn't get minutes for a West playoff team, let alone a lottery-bound East Orlando team..

[SpursFan86]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/16/jermaine-oneal-says-the-time-isnt-right-for-me-to-play-now-wont-be-signing-with-mavericks/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Jermaine O'Neal isn't coming back this year. Kinda glad, because I think he could've actually brought some decent defense to Dallas's bench (which they'll need even more if they get Amar'e).

OKC, Sacramento, Chicago, and LAC all have interest in Afflalo. Hopefully he goes to Chicago.

[cd021]

Baynes is a product of the system. Gary Neal is a prime example of how the system can benefit the player and what happens when you eliminate it. He has a role and he plays it well. However, what works for the Spurs doesn't necessarily work for other teams. Need I bring up Neal again? However, the point I was trying to make was why would you trade a perfectly good role player for a someone who will almost undoubtedly be of far lesser value?

Size is overrated. What really matters is production coming from any said position. When you look at the Spurs, you can add them to the list of teams who will be in need of a big if you take away Baynes. As it is, they're a pretty poor rebounding team with Duncan and Leonard doing the bulk of the heavy lifting. Bonner and Ayres are essentially useless 95% of the time and any of those two would be a considerable downgrade come playoff time.

Besides, it's rare when the Spurs trade one of their own unless the said player isn't happy with his role or asks to be traded. I don't see Baynes complaining so the odds of him leaving, even if he gave consent are slim to none.

I'm not saying that Baynes isn't useful but considering that he may walk in FA (i'm assuming we'd renounce him and pursue L.A. and Gasol) and there are teams that could afford to add size. If the Spurs could get a rookie scale player by swapping Baynes then I'd be in favor of it. Whether or not they are able to make much of an impact this season. Baynes, essentially, having a no-trade clause drastically reduces an already slim chance that he would be moved.

I agree that the Spurs seldom makes trades unless its by request. I think that the Spurs will be more active on the buyout deadline, where they have the advantage of having more money than teams like the Clips, Cavs, and Mavs to offer ($3.2 million from the Mid-Level). I think they will add atleast one player before its all said and done.

Size can overrated & I agree that production at both positions is more important than actual size. The Spurs are actually a good rebounding team (10th in Total Rebounding Rate and 4th in Defensive Rebound Rate). The Spurs generally do a good job gang rebounding with guards like Green an Manu helping out on the glass. Baynes certainly helps in that area but they don't get killed on the glass if he doesn't play.

Bonner isn't entirely useless, he is constantly spacing the floor , even when he doesn't have the ball or not hitting the ones he does take. Thats something neither Baynes nor Ayers does, and Diaw has been poor at shooting from deep this season. Against certain teams like Memphis, Portland, OKC, and even GSW he could have more of a positive impact than Baynes. Baynes does essentially what Splitter does but is less talented (especially at rim protecting and passing) Diaw is the only rotation PF we have and Duncan has been playing much closer to the rim this season than last because of his poor shooting from mid-range.

[cd021]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/16/jermaine-oneal-says-the-time-isnt-right-for-me-to-play-now-wont-be-signing-with-mavericks/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Jermaine O'Neal isn't coming back this year. Kinda glad, because I think he could've actually brought some decent defense to Dallas's bench (which they'll need even more if they get Amar'e).

OKC, Sacramento, Chicago, and LAC all have interest in Afflalo. Hopefully he goes to Chicago.

I'm surprised Dallas hasn't re-signed Dalembert, maybe that will be on the table now.

It would be pretty difficult for the Clips to nab Afflalo or Chandler without a trade-able first rounder until 2019. They could loosely protect that pick but then they'd have to include a 3rd team or trade either Reddick or Crawford directly to Denver. Reddick isn't cheap and Crawford is their 3rd leading scorer.

[cd021]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lw3lhk4

:stirpot:

I was thinking Baynes and Mills for Thompson and Stauskas. They could use Stauskas as trade bait towards the draft or package him with their first and attempt to move up.

S.T. would explode if Ayers and Parker were moved :lol

Not a bad idea though, assuming this includes that pick swap. Karl's addition would probably would complicate any move now.


I really like the idea of moving Parker for Calderon + a pick swap after this season. They'd Add Parker for only $3 or 4 Million more than they would have payed for their pick and Calderon salary and still have $23+ million to add another max player. We'd save around $3 million, have a high pick, clear a ton of future cap and Calderon can be used as trade bait doing the 16-17 season when he will be an expiring deal.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania)Amar'e Stoudemire has committed to sign with the Dallas Mavericks, league sources tell RealGM.

[Chinook]

Boom.

[DMC]

Jesus, Spurs fans love scrubs, tbh:lol..

Reminds me of when we were all hyping Mahinmi and wondering why he couldn't get minutes for a West playoff team, let alone a lottery-bound East Orlando team..
Look what Danny Green, Patty Mills and Gary Neal did for us.

[lmbebo]

I saw some tweet saying Jason Thompson with Kings would like to be traded