Oregon ------> is not and will never be Elite CFB program

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When your program relies solely on hiking the ball before your opponent is set, you are not a serious contender for D1 Championship

[unleashbaynes]

:lol failagain

[Silver&Black]

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[Clipper Nation]

:lol Gimmickgon
:lol Phil Knight trying and failing to buy a national title every year

[crc21209]

So being a top 10 team over the past 5-6 years doesnt make them an elite program? Please. Oregon has been a damn good team and will continue to be a damn good team. Trust me, I'm a Texas fan, and I would kill to have the last 5-6 years Oregon has had...

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So being a top 10 team over the past 5-6 years doesnt make them an elite program? Please. Oregon has been a damn good team and will continue to be a damn good team. Trust me, I'm a Texas fan, and I would kill to have the last 5-6 years Oregon has had...
They are very good but not Elite. On the same level as Clemson.

[Clipper Nation]

They are very good but not Elite. On the same level as Clemson.

Clemson's above Chokegon.

http://i.imgur.com/L3SPDBC.jpg

[Avante]

You must not know what the word elite means.

[Blake]

You must not know what the word elite means.

Kind of like you don't what BMI means, fatty.

[NFO]

You must not know what the word elite means.

And you think Oregon is elite???

[pgardn]

When your program relies solely on hiking the ball before your opponent is set, you are not a serious contender for D1 Championship

Soley?

The Oregon offense also challenges depth. Really good programs can attract competition at every position. So no one is indespensable. OSU could change troops and still have a top team.

[Avante]

And you think Oregon is elite???

2010...12-1
2011...12-2
2012...12-1
2013...11-2
2014...Play for the National Title

Looks pretty elite to me.

[Clipper Nation]

2010...12-1
2011...12-2
2012...12-1
2013...11-2
2014...Play for the National Title

Looks pretty elite to me.
http://i.imgur.com/JiHBLvl.jpg

[Avante]

http://i.imgur.com/JiHBLvl.jpg

Was Dan Marino an elite QB, did he ever win a SB?

Nobody in sprintdom history has ever ran more sub10.00's than Jamaican Asafa Powell, yet he has never won an Olympics, he's not elite?

Jim Kelly was not elite?

Barry Sanders not elite?

The 2014 Dallas Cowboys not elite?

Michigan once went 4 seasons and never lost a game, but are they still elite?

Are SB champs...Rams/Bears/Buc's/Jets....still elite?

Is Texas still elite? How about Nebraska?

SMU still elite? How about Washington?

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Was Dan Marino an elite QB, did he ever win a SB?

Nobody in sprintdom history has ever ran more sub10.00's than Jamaican Asafa Powell, yet he has never won an Olympics, he's not elite?

Jim Kelly was not elite?

Barry Sanders not elite?

The 2014 Dallas Cowboys not elite?

Michigan once went 4 seasons and never lost a game, but are they still elite?

Are SB champs...Rams/Bears/Buc's/Jets....still elite?

Is Texas still elite? How about Nebraska?

SMU still elite? How about Washington?
Nope

[Avante]

Nope

So why are Marino/Sanders/Kelly all in the Hall of Fame?

All those schools I mentioned were National Champions.

[Blake]

Avante's curse is elite

[NFO]

2010...12-1
2011...12-2
2012...12-1
2013...11-2
2014...Play for the National Title

Looks pretty elite to me.

looks can be deceiving.

A gimmicky offense that compiles up wins against a majority of schools that can't handle that system. However on the big stage that gimmicky offense has produced a combined 39 points for a team that averages well into the 40s and zero national titles is not elite.

Maybe someday they will get there, but not now.

[Avante]

looks can be deceiving.

A gimmicky offense that compiles up wins against a majority of schools that can't handle that system. However on the big stage that gimmicky offense has produced a combined 39 points for a team that averages well into the 40s and zero national titles is not elite.

Maybe someday they will get there, but not now.

Wrong as usual.

Any power five team that wins as many games as they do and is always ranked high is an elite program. Only a fool wouldn't get that.

Every four years the fastest sprinters in the world line up in that Olympic 100m final, so only the winner was elite? Since 2000 only four sprinters have won that Olympic 100m gold, so only those four were elite?

You're wrong, again.

[NFO]

Nah

Oregon was a nothing program until Mr. Knight came along. The state of Oregon has very few DI college football athletes so Oregon had to carve itself out as a niche program to become relevant. The right coach, support, etc... allowed them to become very successful for the niche program that they currently are.

When you have to run a gimmick offense to compete you are not elite. You can win a bunch of game and still not be elite.

[Avante]

Nah

Oregon was a nothing program until Mr. Knight came along. The state of Oregon has very few DI college football athletes so Oregon had to carve itself out as a niche program to become relevant. The right coach, support, etc... allowed them to become very successful for the niche program that they currently are.

When you have to run a gimmick offense to compete you are not elite. You can win a bunch of game and still not be elite.

Couldn't be more wrong if you worked at it. Damn you're dumb.

[NFO]

Not an elite program

Have had an elite team or two, but having blips on the radar over a hundred + years of football does not make you an elite program.

Minnesota is more of an elite program than Oregon. Minnesota had a longer, better run than Oregon in the 1930s early 40s.

Dealt with a lot of Oregon fans the past 12 days on Ohio State forum(s). Most of them came across as very delusional and drank way to much Nike Kool-Aid and knew very little about actual football, just that there players were "fast". Sounds an awfully lot like you actually, delusional and not very knowledagble.

[Avante]

Not an elite program

Have had an elite team or two, but having blips on the radar over a hundred + years of football does not make you an elite program.

Minnesota is more of an elite program than Oregon. Minnesota had a longer, better run than Oregon in the 1930s early 40s.

Dealt with a lot of Oregon fans the past 12 days on Ohio State forum(s). Most of them came across as very delusional and drank way to much Nike Kool-Aid and knew very little about actual football, just that there players were "fast". Sounds an awfully lot like you actually, delusional and not very knowledagble.

Damn you're dumb, wow~~~~~~~~~~~

Stupid, Yale has won about a dozen National Championships, now think ya fucking moron. Army has won the National Championship. Chicago University...National Champion.

[Avante]

Gimmick offense?

There was a high jumper back in the day who did it differently. his name was Dick Fosbury and he went to Oregon State. He approached the bar from a more rigid angle and then did a funky back flip. Today that is how everyone does it. The Fosbury flop.

Hmmmm?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCCuEIEdSRg

[NFO]

Yale has won about a dozen National Championships

Yep.



Army has won the National Championship.

Yep


Chicago University...National Champion.

Yep

And all of that information is not relevant to Oregon and being an elite program.




Gimmick offense?

Yep.



There was a high jumper back in the day who did it differently. his name was Dick Fosbury and he went to Oregon State. He approached the bar from a more rigid angle and then did a funky back flip. Today that is how everyone does it. The Fosbury flop.

Good for Mr. Fosbury. Still doesn't make Oregon's football program elite at the moment.

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Stolen from another message board. Current day Oregon is Virginia Tech from 10 years ago



From '99 to '09 Virginia Tech...
110-33 (64-22)
5-6 in bowls
4 Conference Champs
6 Top 10 finishes
10 Top 25 finishes

From '04 to '14 Oregon...
111-32 (77-22)
6-5 in bowls
4 Conference Champs
6 Top 10 Finishes
9 Top 25 Finishes

Virginia Tech is 18-20 vs teams that finish the year ranked
Oregon is 21-22 vs teams that finish the year ranked

Virginia Tech is 52-31 vs teams that went to a bowl
Oregon is 53-27 vs teams that went to a bowl

[NFO]

Oregon fans reminisce over their favorite uniform rather than which one of their titles seasons was the most memorable.

Oregon's rise was bank rolled by Phil Knight, most other historical elite schools earned their reuptation for wins on the field and not from the facilities a booster with deep pockets provided to help things move along.

[Avante]

Oregon is without question an elite program. only a fool wouldn't see this.

[JoeTait75]

Oregon is without question an elite program. only a fool wouldn't see this.

You can't be an elite program if you've never won a national championship or done it for more than a generation. Oregon is a fine program and deserves respect for putting together a nice run in a state that doesn't produce a lot of homegrown talent- but elite? That designation belongs to schools like Oklahoma, USC, Ohio State, Alabama, Texas- programs that have won big over the decades.

[Avante]

You can't be an elite program if you've never won a national championship or done it for more than a generation. Oregon is a fine program and deserves respect for putting together a nice run in a state that doesn't produce a lot of homegrown talent- but elite? That designation belongs to schools like Oklahoma, USC, Ohio State, Alabama, Texas- programs that have won big over the decades.

So once elite always elite?

Oregon has lost how many games in the last five seasons? The 85 Bears won it all, are the Bears still elite? Those Ivy League/Military schools were once elite are they still? Hell, back in the early 1900's Michigan went 4 seasons undefeated scoring over 100 points a number of times, what does that have to do with todays Michigan?

Oregon has been one of the top programs in the nation for awhile now, and it's real real obvious, they are without question among the elite.

[NFO]

Oregon is without question an elite program. only a fool wouldn't see this.

Plenty of questions about their "elite" status.

a) gimmick offense

b) would not have happened without Phil Knight

c) cares more about uniform of the week rather than titles one.

I wish I could be as delusional as some.

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So once elite always elite?

Oregon has lost how many games in the last five seasons? The 85 Bears won it all, are the Bears still elite? Those Ivy League/Military schools were once elite are they still? Hell, back in the early 1900's Michigan went 4 seasons undefeated scoring over 100 points a number of times, what does that have to do with todays Michigan?

Oregon has been one of the top programs in the nation for awhile now, and it's real real obvious, they are without question among the elite.
You don't get into the Elite club without Winning a Title. How long you stay depends. IMO on 2 main factors

1. Quality of coaches you bring in
2. Are you sending players to the NFL

We see first hand how Miami and Michigan, no matter how long they struggle are still able to pull off the two factors. USC is another example.

As competitive as we like to think CFB is, it's still the same 15 or so programs winning Titles.


Pac10
USC
Washington*


Big10
OSU
Michigan
Penn State*
Nebraska*


Big12
Oklahoma
Texas


ACC
FSU
Miami
Clemson*


SEC
Alabama
Florida
Auburn
LSU
Georgia*
Tennessee*


^ 17 programs

[Sean Cagney]

So why are Marino/Sanders/Kelly all in the Hall of Fame?

All those schools I mentioned were National Champions.
Those players are elite you mentioned and all time greats (Sanders and Marino come on now, dude saying they are not elite is nuts). Those teams were elite you mentioned IMO as well, but Oregon sure as hell is not elite IMO as their gimmick O is just pretty much that, they got ran over when they got to the big game and I always knew they would.
Plenty of questions about their "elite" status.

a) gimmick offense

b) would not have happened without Phil Knight

c) cares more about uniform of the week rather than titles one.

I wish I could be as delusional as some.
I agree with you fully man, Oregon TO ME is not elite at all! Soft team with a gimmick offense. They win alot of games yes, but they got to the big game in which their fans kept asking for and got exposed by a more physical team. They ran all over them all night, if not for TO's they make it EVEN WORSE. They got beat badly.

[NFO]

They ran all over them all night, if not for TO's they make it EVEN WORSE. They got beat badly.

Exactly. Elite teams/programs who are essentially +4 in the turnover margin (Mariota's INT as time expired doesn't really count) do not get beat by 3 TDs, they win by 3 TDs.

No titles and over 1,000 uniform combinations. Sounds like a recipe for a fad rather than an elite program.

[Sean Cagney]

Exactly. Elite teams/programs who are essentially +4 in the turnover margin (Mariota's INT as time expired doesn't really count) do not get beat by 3 TDs, they win by 3 TDs.

No titles and over 1,000 uniform combinations. Sounds like a recipe for a fad rather than an elite program.

Agreed. The class of the Pac12 (Pac 10 before) has always been USC, the only one who actually won things. Oregon to me has been a gimmick type team who wins putting up high scores with that gimmick offsense, when they meet real teams they get buried as shown. Their cocky fans bitched for years about the NT game and a playoff and being robbed, had one idiot say thank GOD for the playoffs so the overrated SEC (They even dared called the 7 NT in a row a fluke for the SEC lol) and the real teams made the bowl game this time, hopefully they shut the hell up now. Bama and Ohio State was the real game, both of those teams would have (OSU did) beat the crap out of Oregon and their light defense and gimmick offense. I like traditional offense, Oregon to me is a gimmick

[unleashbaynes]

The hurry up, high tempo offense is pretty much destined to fail. yeah, you can score a lot in a hurry against middle of the pack teams, but eventually someone is gonna string together some stops on you and your defense is gonna get fucked over. i don't get the logic. letting your defense rest by chewing clock seems pretty essential to me.

[NFO]

The high tempo works when teams are not prepared, have less depth and talent.

When those such teams run into compotent opposing teams the high tempoed team's defense is on the field a lot and gets worn down and unless the high tempo team is converting on a high percentage of their posessions it is destined to fail like you said.

I can see why Oregon did it at the time. Because they were irrelevant and wanted to become relevant and did so the "easy" way and the are finding that out in major bowl games.