LOL Nvidia

[baseline bum]

The GTX 960 looks like it's going to be a piece of shit.

http://cdn3.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-960-OC.jpg

I like what AMD had to say about it:



We’re all aware of rumors swirling around an upcoming product launch this week. What does this product offer?
•A value oriented 128-bit memory interface
•A maximum 2GB frame buffer
•Questionable performance uplift over its predecessor, that launched over a year and a half ago :lmao
If this all sounds unappealing…it’s because it is. Better products already exist and are widely available in the market from AMD. The AMD Radeon™ R9 280 Series graphics are still gamers’ first choice, in this class, with features including, but not limited to:

•More memory bandwidth, with 256-bit (and higher) parts
•Beyond HD gaming experience with MSAA and AF, for superior performance
•Smooth game play at 4K resolutions in top-10 games like DOTA2, CS:GO, TF2, LoL and more
•Support for AMD technologies like Mantle, Eyefinity, TrueAudio (R9 285) and Freesync (R9 285)
•A starting price of 179 €.

Read more: http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960-gaming-performance-previewed-amd-calls-unappealing-par-radeon-r9-285

[baseline bum]

GTX 970 was fucking amazing, but god the 960 looks like shit. LOL barely being better than a 760, when a 760 is already a shit card in comparison to an R9 280.

[baseline bum]

What's funny is I bet Nvidia tries to price this bullshit at $250 so there isn't some enormous gap between the 960 and 970 in price.

[lefty]

Their tablet is pretty good tbh

[leemajors]

Their tablet is pretty good tbh

You got one?

[lefty]

You got one?

A friend does

It also got some good reviews

(Nvidia Shield)

[DJR210]

Meh, I prefer the "80" and up models if I'm gonna buy a card anyway.

[baseline bum]

Meh, I prefer the "80" and up models if I'm gonna buy a card anyway.

I think the 980 isn't good value at $580 or so. The 970 is pretty nice at $350 though, at least until the R9 380x comes out and rapes everything.

[DJR210]

I think the 980 isn't good value at $580 or so. The 970 is pretty nice at $350 though, at least until the R9 380x comes out and rapes everything.

I'm still gaming at 1080p 60 FPS, so my 680 is still doing ok for the games I play.

[baseline bum]

I'm still gaming at 1080p 60 FPS, so my 680 is still doing ok for the games I play.

Was there a big difference between 670 and 680? I know the difference between 770 and 780 was pretty sizable, but 970 vs 980 seems like a pretty small gap (~15%).

[DJR210]

Was there a big difference between 670 and 680? I know the difference between 770 and 780 was pretty sizable, but 970 vs 980 seems like a pretty small gap (~15%).

Well the peasants will lead you to believe that the 680 wasn't a good buy because "you can just OC the 670 to 680 levels" which doesn't make sense considering you can boost the 680 too. But yeah, it's like 5-10 FPS better on average, but considering it doesn't get all games maxed out locked above 60, I'm glad I have those extra frames at this point.

[baseline bum]

Well the peasants will lead you to believe that the 680 wasn't a good buy because "you can just OC the 670 to 680 levels" which doesn't make sense considering you can boost the 680 too. But yeah, it's like 5-10 FPS better on average, but considering it doesn't get all games maxed out locked above 60, I'm glad I have those extra frames at this point.

Nice.

[anakha]

I'm never buying any device with an NVIDIA SoC again.

Tegra 2? Piece of shit.
Tegra 3? Piece of shit.
Tegra 4? They couldn't sucker OEMs into using that :lol

K1? Two different versions on two different devices. The Shield uses a SoC version that NVIDIA only assembled (processor was outsourced). The Nexus 9 SoC uses a processor that NVIDIA manufactured.

Guess which one ended up being a piece of shit. :lmao

[baseline bum]

Damn the GTX 960 is in epic fail territory. It's even behind AMD's shitty R9 285 offering, which is their worst price to performance card.

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[baseline bum]

nevermind. The 960 is still shit though. I hope nobody here buys it.

[baseline bum]

Well fuck me, the memory bug on the GTX 970 was acknowledged by Nvidia as "Oops, we gave the wrong specs on the GTX 970 for 5 months". Instead of being a 4GB card with 64ROPs, it's a 3.5GB card with a really slow 512MB memory partition (28GB/s vs 150GB/s in the good partition) and with 56ROPs.

http://i.imgur.com/Wcq4OBo.gif

Fuck you Nvidia, I wish I would have bought an R9 290x now. What a piece of shit company.

[baseline bum]

http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/79925-nvidia-explains-geforce-gtx-970s-memory-problems/

Nvidia stung into action?

We've learned that the GeForce GTX 970 is more than an SMM-reduced version of the GTX 980, which is a fact that will come into play once that 0.5GB is routinely accessed. We've learned that Nvidia has chosen not to impart the GTX 970's differences until Internet rumours surfaced on a potential memory-bandwidth issue, and we have learned that Nvidia has known all along that the information passed along to reviewers - ROP counts, L2 cache, etc. - has been wrong... and has done nothing about it until forced to do so when speculation grew too rife.

There are hundreds of behind-the-scenes tweaks made to each iteration of a GPU architecture. Some of the more important ones, particularly with regards to high-level architecture, should be disclosed from the get-go. Nvidia chose not to with the highly-accomplished GeForce GTX 970, wrongly in our opinion, and while the under-the-hood tweaks don't materially change performance by any degree, Nvidia should have been very clear that the GeForce GTX 970 and GTX 980 use different back-end technologies, more so for buyers who can tax the main 3.5GB framebuffer when gaming at 4K.

What do you, the gamers, make of Nvidia's initial reluctance to share how the GeForce GTX 970 really works? Or do you even care, because performance hasn't changed one iota from yesterday to today?

[Cry Havoc]

AMD has a real chance to do some damage here if their next line of cards are impressive. Nvidia really shit the bed here.

[baseline bum]

Meh, I prefer the "80" and up models if I'm gonna buy a card anyway.

Man you're right, with Nvidia you get fucked on lower than 80-class GPUs.

[baseline bum]

AMD has a real chance to do some damage here if their next line of cards are impressive. Nvidia really shit the bed here.

Nvidia is teflon and AMD marketing is shit.

[DJR210]

Man you're right, with Nvidia you get fucked on lower than 80-class GPUs.

:lol you're on like a two week delay for responses? I'm honored you chose mine to quote :tu.

I don't think the 70 models are bad, I just figure if I'm gonna invest in something like that might as well get the best one (at least best right below 690/Titan)

[baseline bum]

:lol you're on like a two week delay for responses? I'm honored you chose mine to quote :tu.

I don't think the 70 models are bad, I just figure if I'm gonna invest in something like that might as well get the best one (at least best right below 690/Titan)

These cocksuckers gave fake specs to all the review sites who then went on to hype the 970 as a barely cut down 980. And when they got caught on their shit the response is "oops, PR fucked up".

[DJR210]

These cocksuckers gave fake specs to all the review sites who then went on to hype the 970 as a barely cut down 980. And when they got caught on their shit the response is "oops, PR fucked up".

So it's not a close a they led everyone to believe?

[baseline bum]

So it's not a close a they led everyone to believe?

They segmented the memory into a fast 3.5GB partition and a slow 0.5GB one on the 970 after disabling one of the eight L2 cache units, and disabled 8 of the 64 ROPs from the full GM204 chip in the 980. None of this was public knowledge before today when the card has been out since September. It can never hit the 224GB/s bandwidth it was advertised as having since it can't use the 3.5GB and 0.5GB partitions in parallel. Nvidia made it sound like the 970 was just a 980 with some CUDA cores disabled, less texture units, and a lower clock. At least according to the specs they gave every review site. The 980 doesn't have this memory segmentation into a fast 150GB/s pool and a slow 28GB/s pool like the 970, and thus doesn't stutter at 3.5GB VRAM usage like a lot of people have been reporting with the 970.

[DJR210]

They segmented the memory into a fast 3.5GB partition and a slow 0.5GB one on the 970 after disabling one of the eight L2 cache units, and disabled 8 of the 64 ROPs from the full GM204 chip in the 980. None of this was public knowledge before today when the card has been out since September. It can never hit the 224GB/s bandwidth it was advertised as having since it can't use the 3.5GB and 0.5GB partitions in parallel. Nvidia made it sound like the 970 was just a 980 with some CUDA cores disabled, less texture units, and a lower clock. At least according to the specs they gave every review site. The 980 doesn't have this memory segmentation into a fast 150GB/s pool and a slow 28GB/s pool like the 970, and thus doesn't stutter at 3.5GB VRAM usage like a lot of people have been reporting with the 970.

I'm too drunk for all these stats, I'll read the post after I fuck my gf and take a nap :tu

[baseline bum]

Shots fired from AMD :lmao

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8dV86eCYAEMLwx.png

[ElNono]

crofl

[baseline bum]

crofl

Double lol

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[DJR210]

AMD is real salty. Owning 10% of the market share will do that to a company.

[DJR210]

Microstutter, coil whine, shitty driver support, @ 95 c means microstutter, coil whine, shitty driver support, @ 95 c

[baseline bum]

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[baseline bum]

Microstutter, coil whine, shitty driver support, @ 95 c means microstutter, coil whine, shitty driver support, @ 95 c

Stutter is the whole reason people are pissed at Nvidia right now. As soon as the 970 hits the gimp partition of its VRAM it turns into a stuttering motherfucker. Coil whine? Have you not paid attention to GPUs this last year? The 970 is far and away the GPU that draws the most coil whine complaints. Shitty driver support kind of defines Nvidia right now with the way they're tanking Kepler performance with Maxwell out. And 94C is pretty horrible with the reference 290 and 290x blowers, but the aftermarket 290s and 290x's run in the 70s at full load.

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph7601/60573.png

Where did you get the 10% figure from? AMD has roughly 40% of the GPU market.

[DJR210]

One shitty budget priced GPU from Nvidia isn't going to change a reputation for AMD.

AMD = Finished

[baseline bum]

One shitty budget priced GPU from Nvidia isn't going to change a reputation for AMD.

AMD = Finished

How do you figure? They have the best GPU at every price point above $100 (GTX 750Ti is probably best at $100) and below $550.

[DJR210]

How do you figure? They have the best GPU at every price point above $100 (GTX 750Ti is probably best at $100) and below $550.

If they're the best, how come everyone buys Nvidia? :lol

[baseline bum]

If they're the best, how come everyone buys Nvidia? :lol

Why does everyone buy Playstation 4? You gonna tell me PS4 > PC?

[DJR210]

Why does everyone buy Playstation 4? You gonna tell me PS4 > PC?
Apples to oranges.

Not sure where you're getting yours stats from, but the benchmarks here show the 970 and 980 outperforming the AMD offerings, in some cases by 10 FPS.

[DJR210]

Here's some more Nvidia domination for you..

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

[baseline bum]

Apples to oranges.

Not sure where you're getting yours stats from, but the benchmarks here show the 970 and 980 outperforming the AMD offerings, in some cases by 10 FPS.

I said Nvidia has the best GPU at and above $550, which would be the 980. The 970 and 290x trade blows with each other now and are pretty evenly matched, but the 290x doesn't have a crippled section of VRAM. The 290x was a piece of shit under the reference cooler that caused tons of throttling at 94C, but aftermarket coolers get the temps into the 70s for the good ones and the 80s for the worst so that they don't throttle anymore.

[DJR210]

More Nvidia GPU's at the top:

http://www.techspot.com/review/925-the-crew-benchmarks/page3.html

Now go fuck your AMD using mother some more

[baseline bum]

More Nvidia GPU's at the top:

http://www.techspot.com/review/925-the-crew-benchmarks/page3.html

Now go fuck your AMD using mother some more

Wow really, the GTX 970 got 1FPS higher than the throttling 94C reference 290x at 2500x1600 on an Nvidia GameWorks game?

[DJR210]

I said Nvidia has the best GPU at and above $550, which would be the 980. The 970 and 290x trade blows with each other now and are pretty evenly matched, but the 290x doesn't have a crippled section of VRAM. The 290x was a piece of shit under the reference cooler that caused tons of throttling at 94C, but aftermarket coolers get the temps into the 70s for the good ones and the 80s for the worst so that they don't throttle anymore.

There's no trading blows as far as performance. Every once in a blue moon some dumb ass developer will decide to allign With AMD, and their game runs 5 frames better than the Nvidia card..but that's too rare to even matter IMO.

The only thing AMD wins is price to performance, but I'm not a penny pinching jew bastard when it comes to my GPU. It's the main component to a gaming PC.

[DJR210]

Wow really, the GTX 970 got 1FPS higher than the throttling 94C reference 290x at 2500x1600 on an Nvidia GameWorks game?

Yeah, it's nothing. But it eliminates this crazy claim that "AMD cards are better at every price point" that you've been preaching ITT

[baseline bum]

Yeah, it's nothing. But it eliminates this crazy claim that "AMD cards are better at every price point" that you've been preaching ITT

1FPS in an Nvidia game vs the absolute worst 290x establishes that? Especially when the 290x doesn't have the memory flaw the 970 does?

[DJR210]

Now that we've settled the FPS argument, let's get to to user feedback..

AMD users complain about the same things consistently, with each generation of cards:

1. Microstutter - don't bring up the 970, that's an issue seen on one card, and supposedly can be corrected by update according to Gigabyte. Super annoying to be at 60 FPS locked, but not feel like it because of the microstutter.

2. Ridiculously high temps - One, the noise of those fans is annoying without headphones, and wearing headphones for extended periods of time is uncomfortable. My 680 running at 65 c pumps out a considerable amount of hot air, and after an hour or so you can feel the difference in room temperature.

3. Coil whine

4. Bad driver support - not enough updates for new release games

5. Shitty innovation - Mantle? Oh cool, my APU based piece of cap runs BF4 better. TressFX? Oh cool, let me have flowing Lara Croft hair in exchange for 30 FPS.

Nvidia is constantly improving and adding new features. Dynamic super resolution, G-sync monitors, Shadowplay all come to mind

[baseline bum]

Now that we've settled the FPS argument, let's get to to user feedback..

AMD users complain about the same things consistently, with each generation of cards:

1. Microstutter - don't bring up the 970, that's an issue seen on one card, and supposedly can be corrected by update according to Gigabyte. Super annoying to be at 60 FPS locked, but not feel like it because of the microstutter.

2. Ridiculously high temps - One, the noise of those fans is annoying without headphones, and wearing headphones for extended periods of time is uncomfortable. My 680 running at 65 c pumps out a considerable amount of hot air, and after an hour or so you can feel the difference in room temperature.

3. Coil whine

4. Bad driver support - not enough updates for new release games

5. Shitty innovation - Mantle? Oh cool, my APU based piece of cap runs BF4 better. TressFX? Oh cool, let me have flowing Lara Croft hair in exchange for 30 FPS.

Nvidia is constantly improving and adding new features. Dynamic super resolution, G-sync monitors, Shadowplay all come to mind

Does TressFX really knock 30FPS off for you, or are you exaggerating? Has Nvidia truly abandoned Kepler when it comes to driver support? I hear a lot of 780Ti and 780 owners complaining about driver support now. TressFX isn't anywhere close to that kind of performance hit on Maxwell. I think it cost about 10FPS@1080p on my 970 when I turned VSync off. I agree that TressFX is kind of dumb, but I play with VSync to 60FPS on so I turn it on for Tomb Raider.