Updated On-Off numbers

[Johnny RIngo]

Updated On-Off numbers for the Spurs. Positive impact players in black. Negative impact in red.

Leonard:

http://s5.postimg.org/gybo8rnvb/Leonard.png

Patty:

http://s5.postimg.org/u6fnfgas7/Patty.png

Manu:

http://s5.postimg.org/wmhgtasuv/Manu.png

Boris:

http://s5.postimg.org/fbmgnjbtj/Diaw.png

Danny:

http://s5.postimg.org/ixsa06i6v/Green.png

Bonner:

http://s5.postimg.org/6bd9plqc7/Bonner.png

Cojo:

http://s5.postimg.org/v8l8k947r/Cojo.png

TD:

http://s5.postimg.org/l4wio3nh3/Duncan.png

Tiago:

http://s5.postimg.org/72al94i3b/Splitter.png

Baynes:

http://s5.postimg.org/ddb7bstxz/Baynes.png

Errors:

http://s5.postimg.org/ffga3shav/Errors.png

Enrique:

http://s5.postimg.org/7wx4v5pxz/Enrique.png

Kyle Anderson:

http://s5.postimg.org/56j7k83vb/Anderson.png

Marco the Cancer:

http://s5.postimg.org/nekmyuwev/Cancereli.png

Daye:

http://s5.postimg.org/vvfjw1bpz/Daye.png

JaMychal Green:

http://s5.postimg.org/eshde9kev/Ja_Mychal.png

http://s5.postimg.org/l17all7dj/Player_floor.png

[apalisoc_9]

Why am I not surprised that the best offensive 5 is Kawhi, Manu, Boris, Danny and Patty

:lol

Timmy and Parker stagnates the offense..

But Timmy at least is tired and is a net positive...Parker on the other hand...

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

It's crazy how one person turned the entire fan base against the future..

[ElNono]

Timmy started the season with a bang, but progressively got worse... hopefully Pop finds some time to rest him...

[apalisoc_9]

Johnny ringo keeps on providing statistical proofs while his enemies always come up with cliches and big 3 mainstream fan reasoning without providing stats to back their claims..

OP is on fire...tbh.

[Johnny RIngo]

Timmy started the season with a bang, but progressively got worse... hopefully Pop finds some time to rest him...

Yeah, that brutal December stretch without Kawhi looks like it's taken it's toll on TD. Played way too many minutes that month. Started the year strong but he's been slipping ever since.

[Mr Bones]

Last season, Parker's on court number was +6.6. This year it's -2.2. Do you think he has dropped off that much, or is some of it attributable to playing with nagging injuries and not being in shape due to missing games? Honest question...

Also, I'll point out that Patty is usually paired with Manu, who the last two seasons has had a higher on court number than Danny Green, who is more often paired with Parker. This platooning makes sense to me because Mills is a great shooter, but not a pure PG, and Manu plays the PG role as much or more than Patty. I like Mills a lot, but his on court number benefits from this situation.

Again, before the standard calls of "player fan" or "mainstream fan" start rolling in, I'll say for the hundredth time that I think Parker is past his peak, and that Kawhi is the best player on the team. But I do think that some people are so eager to say that Parker is completely done that they scour the stats looking for proof and ignore any sensible view that would contradict it.

[Diego20]

:cry but but those stats don't matter because that would means Bonner > Enrique :cry <---- this is what Enrique fans and others will say..


Good work Ringo :tu

[Galileo]

Are these stats adjusted for strength of schedule?

[Mr Bones]

Honest question:

Is anyone here of the opinion that waiving Parker right now would produce a positive effect, as Detroit's waiving of Josh Smith did?

[Brazil]

Honest question:

Is anyone here of the opinion that waiving Parker right now would produce a positive effect, as Detroit's waiving of Josh Smith did?


you really think it's even a question ? :lmao

[Mr Bones]

you really think it's even a question ? :lmao


I don't, but I think some people here do.

[vander]

surprised Boris is in the positive, the few games I've watched he was awful

[Manudona]

From "Patty" all the way down to "JaMychal Green" the list is sorted by the "Net" value, so the question is, why the heck did you put "Leonard" first instead of "Patty"?

[romain.star]

:cry but but those stats don't matter because that would means Bonner > Enrique :cry <---- this is what Enrique fans and others will say..


Good work Ringo :tu

No one seems to notice but according to those stats, Parker is a better player than Daye :lol

[jARS mEsH sEt]

From "Patty" all the way down to "JaMychal Green" the list is sorted by the "Net" value, so the question is, why the heck did you put "Leonard" first instead of "Patty"?

Because HarlemHeat complimented him and this is his way of paying homage to HH's apalisoc_9 schtick :lmao

[FkLA]

Last season, Parker's on court number was +6.6. This year it's -2.2. Do you think he has dropped off that much, or is some of it attributable to playing with nagging injuries and not being in shape due to missing games? Honest question...

Also, I'll point out that Patty is usually paired with Manu, who the last two seasons has had a higher on court number than Danny Green, who is more often paired with Parker. This platooning makes sense to me because Mills is a great shooter, but not a pure PG, and Manu plays the PG role as much or more than Patty. I like Mills a lot, but his on court number benefits from this situation.

Again, before the standard calls of "player fan" or "mainstream fan" start rolling in, I'll say for the hundredth time that I think Parker is past his peak, and that Kawhi is the best player on the team. But I do think that some people are so eager to say that Parker is completely done that they scour the stats looking for proof and ignore any sensible view that would contradict it.

Bro find me one metric, just one that suggests Enrique is a good player. You act like posters have to look deep or cherrypick to prove how big of a POS hes been.

There is literally nothing that supports your 'sensible' view.

[Mr Bones]

Bro find me one metric, just one that suggests Enrique is a good player. You act like posters have to look deep or cherrypick to prove how big of a POS hes been.

There is literally nothing that supports your 'sensible' view.

His on court # last season was +6.6, and the Spurs demolished the Miami Heat in the finals with him playing 35 mpg.

[FkLA]

The defensive numbers for Enrique and Belli are fucking disgusting. That's what pisses me off the most...whatever these pussies are doing offensively (which isn't much) they're giving back and then some on the other end.

[FkLA]

His on court # last season was +6.6, and the Spurs demolished the Miami Heat in the finals with him playing 35 mpg.

We're not in last season moron. Everything that has been said about him this season is true and backed up by any metric you can find. Until he proves otherwise he seems done.

[Mr Bones]

The defensive numbers for Enrique and Belli are fucking disgusting. That's what pisses me off the most...whatever these pussies are doing offensively (which isn't much) they're giving back and then some on the other end.


According to your interpretation of the metrics, Coach Popovich did a terrible job with player rotations in the playoffs... and yet they won the title in extraordinarily convincing fashion. How did that happen?

[Mr Bones]

We're not in last season moron. Everything that has been said about him this season is true and backed up by any metric you can find. Until he proves otherwise he seems done.

parker has been playing hurt, is not 100%, and is not in shape yet. I've said that over and over again. Stats from a player who isn't 100% are naturally not indicative of his possible 100% effectiveness. It's not that hard to understand.

[Mr Bones]

Leonard's numbers in the beginning of the year (when he had the lingering eye issue) were less impressive than his later numbers... his stats were down because he wasn't 100%.

[FkLA]

According to your interpretation of the metrics, Coach Popovich did a terrible job with player rotations in the playoffs... and yet they won the title in extraordinarily convincing fashion. How did that happen?

How do you even get that from my interpretation? You realize these numbers have nothing to do with last year's run, right? Stop trying to use last year's run to try to disprove these numbers, fanboy.

[FkLA]

parker has been playing hurt, is not 100%, and is not in shape yet. I've said that over and over again. Stats from a player who isn't 100% are naturally not indicative of his possible 100% effectiveness. It's not that hard to understand.

He took a month off and has been back for like 8-10 games. At what point will the injury/shape card not be valid?

[Diego20]

He took a month off and has been back for like 8-10 games. At what point will the injury/shape card not be valid?

You should give up on answering him tbh, no point.

TP is not injured but Enrique fans will keep saying he's injured..

[Mr Bones]

He took a month off and has been back for like 8-10 games. At what point will the injury/shape card not be valid?

He had a strained hamstring, so your phrasing it as "he took a month off" is pretty disingenuous. He didn't play or work out for a month, so he's still getting in shape. Did you watch the last game? Did you see when Pop went to Tony on the bench and asked if he felt ok? He's been doing that frequently. Of course they're not going to advertise the fact that he's less than 100%. Why won't you answer the question about Parker playing 35 mpg against the Heat and the team gelling so well?

[Mr Bones]

Why am I not surprised that the best offensive 5 is Kawhi, Manu, Boris, Danny and Patty

:lol

Timmy and Parker stagnates the offense..



Basketball is more than offense. They're the Spurs, not the '05 Suns.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM

[FkLA]

He had a strained hamstring, so your phrasing it as "he took a month off" is pretty disingenuous. He didn't play or work out for a month, so he's still getting in shape. Did you watch the last game? Did you see when Pop went to Tony on the bench and asked if he felt ok? He's been doing that frequently. Of course they're not going to advertise the fact that he's less than 100%. Why won't you answer the question about Parker playing 35 mpg against the Heat and the team gelling so well?

It was a mild hamstring strain. Literally a day to day injury, but if you want to be in denial and blame Enrique's decline on that then go right ahead. Doesnt make sense that arguably the most conservative franchise would play an injured player heavy minutes but whatever helps you sleep at night brah.

I have no idea why you keep up bringing last year? Last year isn't going to make this year's Enrique a good player.


Basketball is more than offense. They're the Spurs, not the '05 Suns.
http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM

Who's the worst Spur in DRPM?

[Mr Bones]

I have no idea why you keep up bringing last year? Last year isn't going to make this year's Enrique a good player.



Who's the worst Spur in DRPM?


I bring up last year because I think the idea that Parker could play 35 mpg against Miami in June '14 and be effective but be completely useless in January '15 seems very unlikely.

I agree Parker's not a good defender. I've never argued that.

[FkLA]

I bring up last year because I think the idea that Parker could play 35 mpg against Miami in June '14 and be effective but be completely useless in January '15 seems very unlikely.

I agree Parker's not a good defender. I've never argued that.

Well until he actually plays like a starting PG this year there's no reason for you to be a shield for him. The criticism he is receiving is well deserved.

[Hoops Czar]

This thread only exists because of Parker's struggles.

[Mr Bones]

Well until he actually plays like a starting PG this year there's no reason for you to be a shield for him. The criticism he is receiving is well deserved.

I'm not a "shield." I'm trying to talk about basketball objectively, and it seems to me that many people here are over-reacting emotionally to Tony's subpar year so far by saying he shouldn't play at all. What would you do if you were Pop-- not play him at all?

[BillMc]

Cheers to the OP for posting these. Really interesting to see it laid out like this. :bobo

[boutons_deux]

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[Hoops Czar]

Updated On-Off numbers for the Spurs. Positive impact players in black. Negative impact in red.

Leonard:

http://s5.postimg.org/gybo8rnvb/Leonard.png

Patty:

http://s5.postimg.org/u6fnfgas7/Patty.png



Apparently, They're in no particular order. You just wanted to make this thread about Kiwi.

[dabom]

Kawhi took a shit on lebron on national tv. Hoops stays saltier than a hobo's nuTs.

[Johnny RIngo]

This thread only exists because of Parker's struggles.

I never once mentioned Parker in this thread. The On-Off numbers were recently updated so I felt like posting the data for my fellow Spurstalk members. This discussion is about ALL the Spurs players. Unfortunately, there are certain player fans(Mr Bones) that keep shitting up these threads with inane rants about Tony Parker for some reason.

[Boomersgold]

So why is Mills getting only 6 minutes a game?

[Johnny RIngo]

So why is Mills getting only 6 minutes a game?

Pop trying not to damage a certain French point guard's fragile ego. Makes me respect Patty even more - he's always cheering his teammates whether he plays 3 mins or 30 mins.

[superbigtime]

parker has been playing hurt, is not 100%, and is not in shape yet. I've said that over and over again. Stats from a player who isn't 100% are naturally not indicative of his possible 100% effectiveness. It's not that hard to understand.