who is biggest shlub QB ever that has won a super bowl

[Blake]

Trent?
Russ?
Brad Johnson?
Ben?
Eli?
Peyton?
Flacco?
2001 Brady?

[Brazil]

not even sure what shlub means... awkward?

[Blake]

not even sure what shlub means... awkward?

basically means that the rest if the team carried him......or won in spite of him

best example of shlubbery is Russ winning the NFC title game despite having more INTs than completions by half time.

[cantthinkofanything]

basically means that the rest if the team carried him......or won in spite of him

best example of shlubbery is Russ winning the NFC title game despite having more INTs than completions by half time.

hmmmm...do you man a schlub in the Super Bowel itself? or do you mean a QB that sucked the whole season?

For the game itself...

yep...Big Ben...Super Bowl XL. Went 9-21 I think. Seems like he barely threw for 100 yards. A couple of picks.

Putting pen to paper...around a 27 passer rating. Would be the lowest in SB history by a playcaller that still....

yep...took home the ....hmmmmm

yep...trophy

[The Gemini Method]

lol

[Brazil]

basically means that the rest if the team carried him......or won in spite of him

best example of shlubbery is Russ winning the NFC title game despite having more INTs than completions by half time.

I did no know 2001 Brady could have been in that boat tbh...

[Blake]

hmmmm...do you man a schlub in the Super Bowel itself? or do you mean a QB that sucked the whole season?

either or both.

I think Trent Dilfer is the shlub king but Russ might knock him off this year.

[spurraider21]

I did no know 2001 Brady could have been in that boat tbh...





Passing

Rushing


Rk
Year
G#
Date
Age
Tm

Opp
Result
GS
Cmp
Att
Cmp%
Yds
TD
Int
Rate
Y/A
AY/A
Att
Yds
Y/A
TD
Pts
Pnt
Yds
Y/P
Blck


1
2001
17
2002-01-19 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200201190nwe.htm)
24-169
NWE (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2001.htm)

OAK (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/2001.htm)
W 16-13 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200201190nwe.htm)
*
32
52
61.54
312
0
1
70.4
6.00
5.13
5
16
3.20
1
6
0
0

0


2
2001
18
2002-01-27 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200201270pit.htm)
24-177
NWE (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2001.htm)
@
PIT (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/2001.htm)
W 24-17 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200201270pit.htm)
*
12
18
66.67
115
0
0
84.3
6.39
6.39
2
3
1.50
0
0
0
0

0


3
2001
19
2002-02-03 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200202030nwe.htm)
24-184
NWE (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2001.htm)
N
STL (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/2001.htm)
W 20-17 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200202030nwe.htm)
*
16
27
59.26
145
1
0
86.2
5.37
6.11
1
3
3.00
0
0
0
0

0



Pittsburgh is one of the weakest teams i've ever seen make a conference championship games that year... Kordell Stewart :lol. Pats won 24-17, and they got a punt return TD and a FG block for a TD, while Stewart served up 3 picks

[Brazil]

^?

[cantthinkofanything]

either or both.

I think Trent Dilfer is the shlub king but Russ might knock him off this year.

Doug Williams (no racist).

[Aztecfan03]

^?

Brady's stats from '01. Looks like all he was then was a game manager (good completion %, low yards, ect.) He made the pro-bowl but his stats weren't impressive.

[Blake]

^?

Brady only averaged 189 passing yards a game that year. 18td/12int.

Pretty shlubby

[Brazil]

Brady only averaged 189 passing yards a game that year. 18td/12int.

Pretty shlubby

It was his first year as starter... he did quite well considering circumstances...

During the POs he played solid, on OT against the raiders he completed all his passes, only one int... injured second game, he had a legendary last 2 min in the SB..

not sure we can call that shlubby

[Brazil]

no way Pats won in spite of him

he had quite key role both in RS and SB... we are light years from Wilson and his 4 int

[Pelicans78]

PassingRushingRkYearG#DateAgeTmOppResultGSCmpAttCm p%YdsTDIntRateY/AAY/AAttYdsY/ATDPtsPntYdsY/PBlck12001172002-01-19 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200201190nwe.htm)24-169NWE (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2001.htm)OAK (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/2001.htm)W 16-13 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200201190nwe.htm)*325261.543120170.46.005.135163.2 01600022001182002-01-27 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200201270pit.htm)24-177NWE (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2001.htm)@PIT (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/2001.htm)W 24-17 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200201270pit.htm)*121866.671150084.36.396.39231.50 0000032001192002-02-03 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200202030nwe.htm)24-184NWE (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2001.htm)NSTL (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/2001.htm)W 20-17 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200202030nwe.htm)*162759.261451086.25.376.11133.00 00000Pittsburgh is one of the weakest teams i've ever seen make a conference championship games that year... Kordell Stewart :lol. Pats won 24-17, and they got a punt return TD and a FG block for a TD, while Stewart served up 3 picks

[Raven]

upsetting a 14 point favourite is being carried :lol

[spurraider21]

no way Pats won in spite of him

he had quite key role both in RS and SB... we are light years from Wilson and his 4 int
In the Oakland game they only won because of the worst call in NFL history :lol... and in the last two playoff games they were outscored by the opposing offenses. beat the Rams by 3 but had an pick-6. beat the steelers by 7 and got 14 points on defense/special teams.

wouldn't say they won despite him, but he was largely just along for the ride. Seahawks stayed in the game despite Wilson, but he did come up at the end

[spurraider21]

upsetting a 14 point favourite is being carried :lol
that means his team must have played well enough to upset a 14 point favorite. Ty Law's pick 6 + Vinatieri's heroics tbh

[Raven]

that means his team must have played well enough to upset a 14 point favorite. Ty Law's pick 6 + Vinatieri's heroics tbh

:lol

[Brazil]

In the Oakland game they only won because of the worst call in NFL history :lol... and in the last two playoff games they were outscored by the opposing offenses. beat the Rams by 3 but had an pick-6. beat the steelers by 7 and got 14 points on defense/special teams.

wouldn't say they won despite him, but he was largely just along for the ride. Seahawks stayed in the game despite Wilson, but he did come up at the end

If brady did not come up at the end against raiders and the famous 1min26 for the kick I don't know what it is...

brady was a rookie not sure what you could expect more from a rookie but whatever... dude had only one int in 3 POs games... Went 6-0 last 6 games RS and won 11 out of 14 total

:lol despite of him

[spurraider21]

If brady did not come up at the end against raiders and the famous 1min26 for the kick I don't know what it is...

brady was a rookie not sure what you could expect more from a rookie but whatever... dude had only one int in 3 POs games... Went 6-0 last 6 games RS and won 11 out of 14 total

:lol despite of him
I never said "despite of him" and yet it's the second time you've built up that strawman. If you're going to give brady credit for Vinatieri' clutch field goals in the snow, then u have to give Wilson tons of credit for the last 4 minutes + OT against green bay

[Brazil]

I never said "despite of him" and yet it's the second time you've built up that strawman. If you're going to give brady credit for Vinatieri' clutch field goals in the snow, then u have to give Wilson tons of credit for the last 4 minutes + OT against green bay

Im part of the crew giving Wilson credit for the last 4 min, he made 2/3 great plays at the end no doubt. Wilson is a great QB IMHO

you said I would not say they won despite of him which means you are not far from thinking that... Well at least this is what a french would say like he is not too far from...

[spurraider21]

Im part of the crew giving Wilson credit for the last 4 min, he made 2/3 great plays at the end no doubt. Wilson is a great QB IMHO

you said I would not say they won despite of him which means you are not far from thinking that... Well at least this is what a french would say like he is not too far from...
if the pats really felt they were winning "in spite of brady" then they would have gone back to bledsoe

[Brazil]

if the pats really felt they were winning "in spite of brady" then they would have gone back to bledsoe

We agree then.. Brady 2001 should not be part of this thread

[spurraider21]

We agree then.. Brady 2001 should not be part of this thread
the only viable options are brad johnson and trent dilfer then

[Pelicans78]

To be fair, the 2001 Pats were much better than the 2001 Raiders in the regular season especially coming into the playoffs where they had won 6 in a row. The bad weather allowed the Raiders to compete in the game who weren't very good that year. The weather was horrible and really neutralized what the Pats had done well the last few weeks of the year. Even if the Raiders won the tuck rule game, their defense wouldn't have stood a chance against the Rams offense. That game would have gotten ugly.

Pittsburgh had an outstanding defense that season and Kordell was a viable MVP candidate until he struggled the last two games of the year. That team was still 13-3 and had the second highest point differential in the league and dominated the defending Super Bowl champions Ravens in the divisional round.

[Pelicans78]

Plus, Brady didn't even play that much in the AFC Title game. He was injured earlier in the game and Bledsoe was the QB who played most of the game.

[Brazil]

the only viable options are brad johnson and trent dilfer then

:tu

[spurraider21]

stewart sucked and always sucked as a QB. he was best as "slash" when he would do everything. that season he threw 14 TD's, 11 picks, and threw 3 INT's in the AFC title game

[Silver&Black]

Brad Johnson is the answer tbh.

The Bucs won in spite of him. That defense was so damn good they would have won at least 2 Super Bowls with a mediocre QB.

[Pelicans78]

stewart sucked and always sucked as a QB. he was best as "slash" when he would do everything. that season he threw 14 TD's, 11 picks, and threw 3 INT's in the AFC title game

He had 14 TDs and 6 picks till the last two games where he struggled. He was a solid starting QB, but could never win in the AFC Title game. But they had special teams problems as well in that game against New England. He was a big reason why they were 13-3. He played really well against a good Ravens defense in the divisional round.

[Pelicans78]

Brad Johnson is the answer tbh.

The Bucs won in spite of him. That defense was so damn good they should have won at least 2 Super Bowls with a mediocre QB.

Correct. That Bucs defense was elite most seasons except when they faced Aaron Brooks in 2002 :)

[Silver&Black]

Correct. That Bucs defense was elite most seasons except when they faced Aaron Brooks in 2002 :)

:lmao Still can't believe we lost to Aaron Brooks....smh

Wasn't that the 1st game of the season that year?

[Pelicans78]

:lmao Still can't believe we lost to Aaron Brooks....smh

Wasn't that the 1st game of the season that year?

Saints beat the Bucs twice that season. The first game in the year and a game later in the year on Sunday Night. Saints had an elite offense that season with Brooks, Deuce, a beast o-line, Joe Horn, Donte Stallworth. Bucs had trouble stopping Deuce that year. Saints were 7-4 coming into that Sunday night game with the Bucs who were 9-3. Saints won, but Aaron Brooks tore his rotator cuff in that game. Saints diagnosed way too late and kept playing him even after he reaggravated it the next game at Baltimore. Saints were 9-4 going into the last 3 games against 3 horrible teams and had Jake Delhomme ready to start, but Jim Haslett stuck with Brooks who struggled mightily and the Saints lost all 3 games finishing 9-7 and missing the playoffs. Delhomme left for Carolina the following year and led them to the Super Bowl. If Haslett goes with JaKe, Saints easily win the last 3 finishing 12-4 and winning the NFC South pushing the Bucs to the Wild card where they lost in the two previous seasons. Saints fans give Brooks a lot of flack for that since they loved Delhomme who was local, but that was on Haslett and the training staff who kept clearing him. Brooks was a really good QB before his rotator cuff injury.

[spurraider21]

Aaron Brooks and the Saints had some good years... were always solid defensively and were a good running team. Had just enough passing game with Joe Horn, etc

[spurraider21]

as long as Carney wasn't missing extra points after miracle touchdowns :lol

[Silver&Black]

Saints beat the Bucs twice that season. The first game in the year and a game later in the year on Sunday Night. Saints had an elite offense that season with Brooks, Deuce, a beast o-line, Joe Horn, Donte Stallworth. Bucs had trouble stopping Deuce that year. Saints were 7-4 coming into that Sunday night game with the Bucs who were 9-3. Saints won, but Aaron Brooks tore his rotator cuff in that game. Saints diagnosed way too late and kept playing him even after he reaggravated it the next game at Baltimore. Saints were 9-4 going into the last 3 games against 3 horrible teams and had Jake Delhomme ready to start, but Jim Haslett stuck with Brooks who struggled mightily and the Saints lost all 3 games finishing 9-7 and missing the playoffs. Delhomme left for Carolina the following year and led them to the Super Bowl. If Haslett goes with JaKe, Saints easily win the last 3 finishing 12-4 and winning the NFC South pushing the Bucs to the Wild card where they lost in the two previous seasons. Saints fans give Brooks a lot of flack for that since they loved Delhomme who was local, but that was on Haslett and the training staff who kept clearing him. Brooks was a really good QB before his rotator cuff injury.

Yeah...we always had trouble with the Saints no matter which year we're talking about. I guess you can just chalk it up to being a divisional rival.

But the Saints finally got their SB. So there's that....only two teams in the NFC South to actually win something.

:lmao Falcons
:lmao Panthers

[Silver&Black]

as long as Carney wasn't missing extra points after miracle touchdowns :lol

:wow One of the most gut-wrenching ways to lose a game.

Sorry Pelicans78

kTGco82JKHo

[Pelicans78]

Yeah...we always had trouble with the Saints no matter which year we're talking about. I guess you can just chalk it up to being a divisional rival.

But the Saints finally got their SB. So there's that....only two teams in the NFC South to actually win something.

:lmao Falcons
:lmao Panthers

I rooted for those Bucs teams when Shaun King was the QB. He was a stud at Tulane with RichRod as his offensive coordinator and I followed his career when he went to Tampa. He won alot of games, but couldn't get them over the hump. I was pissed when Brad Johnson took his job, but it was the right move and I don't think Tampa would have win without Johnson.

[Pelicans78]

Aaron Brooks and the Saints had some good years... were always solid defensively and were a good running team. Had just enough passing game with Joe Horn, etc

Brooks was really good from 2000-2002, but was never the same when he tore his rotator cuff. He lost that zip he had which he needed since he wasn't good at anticipating throws. Saints fans turned on him because of Delhomme, but before his injury, he was really good. He never had a good defense after the 2000 season which had the best front four in the league and routinely mugged Kurt Warner. That 2000 team had the best d-line and best o-line in the league and were on a 6 game winning streak when they lost Ricky Williams to a broken ankle and other starters as well by the time the playoffs started. They beat the Rams in the wild card game without Williams and Joe Horn. Brooks was spectacular in that game outdueling Warner.

[Pelicans78]

as long as Carney wasn't missing extra points after miracle touchdowns :lol

I sat in my chair numb for 20 minutes after that missed extra point. That one kick eliminated the Saints from the playoffs.

[HI-FI]

i got into an argument years ago at a job where me and this puerto rican whigger were arguing Peyton vs Aaron Brooks. Yes I'm a Fivehead apologist, but this guy was literally arguing Brook was better than Manning in 2005. It was so stupid I didn't even know how to proceed. This was also after Brooks greatest play, the backwards pass. Looks like that play is deleted off YouTube but it's a must-see if you can find it.

[JoeTait75]

Brad Johnson is the answer tbh.

The Bucs won in spite of him. That defense was so damn good they would have won at least 2 Super Bowls with a mediocre QB.

Brad Johnson wasn't a great QB but he did have a career year in 2002. Dilfer is the pick for me and it isn't even close, IMO. I would think a Bucs fan would agree with that, tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

It's a tie between Struggle Wilson and Fivehead, tbh. Fivehead was carriedPERIOD

[Pelicans78]

:wow One of the most gut-wrenching ways to lose a game.

Sorry Pelicans78

kTGco82JKHo

Yeah, I was literally numb for 20 minutes. Could not move. The best pass in that play was from Deuce.

[Clipper Nation]

i got into an argument years ago at a job where me and this puerto rican whigger were arguing Peyton vs Aaron Brooks. Yes I'm a Fivehead apologist, but this guy was literally arguing Brook was better than Manning in 2005. It was so stupid I didn't even know how to proceed. This was also after Brooks greatest play, the backwards pass. Looks like that play is deleted off YouTube but it's a must-see if you can find it.
With the way Indy's defense was playing in the 2006 playoffs, even Brooks could have rung. :downspin:

[Pelicans78]

i got into an argument years ago at a job where me and this puerto rican whigger were arguing Peyton vs Aaron Brooks. Yes I'm a Fivehead apologist, but this guy was literally arguing Brook was better than Manning in 2005. It was so stupid I didn't even know how to proceed. This was also after Brooks greatest play, the backwards pass. Looks like that play is deleted off YouTube but it's a must-see if you can find it.

That was a real argument after 2005?

I could see in the early 2000s when Brooks was really good. In fact, Brooks outplayed Manning in a regular season game in the Superdome in 2001 when the Saints easily beat the Colts. Brooks was nearly flawless that game. The 2001 Colts were bad, but the Saints defense wasn't that great either. Honestly, Brooks is the 2nd best QB in Saints history behind Brees. It was unfortunate what happened to his shoulder, especially losing Delhomme the following season. Delhomme would have run Mike McCarthy's offense really well with Horn, Deuce, Stallworth, Jerome Pathon, and that o-line which was strong.

[Pelicans78]

Brad Johnson wasn't a great QB but he did have a career year in 2002. Dilfer is the pick for me and it isn't even close, IMO. I would think a Bucs fan would agree with that, tbh.

I think 2001 Dilfer was better than 2002 Johnson. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like Dilfer made alot more big plays for the Ravens than Johnson did for that Bucs team. I'm not looking at the numbers, but I'm going by memory.

Everyone forgets how good those Titans defenses were in 1999 and 2000. Fisher/Gregg Williams did their things.

[Silver&Black]

Brad Johnson wasn't a great QB but he did have a career year in 2002. Dilfer is the pick for me and it isn't even close, IMO. I would think a Bucs fan would agree with that, tbh.

The addition of Keyshawn Johnson and the emergence of Joe Jurevicius definitely helped Brad Johnson in 2002.

I'll still stick with Brad Johnson tbh....but Trent Dilfer is a viable option also.

[Avante]

This SB winning QB played 13 years. In 10 of those years he threw more INT;s than TD;s. His career completion %...50.0% His career passing rating a pathetic....65.5.

[spurraider21]

Dilfer is the easy answer

[Avante]

Dilfer is the easy answer


Nope!

[Avante]

This SB winning QB completed less than 50.0% of his passes in his career.

[Avante]

Then there are all those great QB's who never won a SB.

Johnny Unitas
Fran Tarkenton
Warren Moon
Jim Kelly
Dan Fouts
Andrew Luck
Sonny Jurgenson
Dan Marino
Boomer Esiason
Philip Rivers
Tony Romo
Ken Anderson

[spurraider21]

Doug Williams? is he the guy you're referring to?

[Avante]

Doug Williams? is he the guy you're referring to?

He's the second one.

Then we had this SB winning QB who never had a 3000 yard season or threw for 20 or more TD;s in a season.

Then we have another SB winning QB who also never had a 3000 yard season or a 20 TD season.

[spurraider21]

Plunkett never threw for 3000 yards and has 2 superbowls, and his career high was exactly 20 TD's

[Silver&Black]

He's the second one.

Then we had this SB winning QB who never had a 3000 yard season or threw for 20 or more TD;s in a season.

Then we have another SB winning QB who also never had a 3000 yard season or a 20 TD season.

Broadway Joe?

[Avante]

Plunkett never threw for 3000 yards and has 2 superbowls, and his career high was exactly 20 TD's

There are a couple SB winning QB's who never had even a 20 TD season.

[Avante]

Broadway Joe?


Nope!

[Silver&Black]

This SB winning QB played 13 years. In 10 of those years he threw more INT;s than TD;s. His career completion %...50.0% His career passing rating a pathetic....65.5.

I meant to respond to this quote.....is Broadway Joe the answer to this one?

[Avante]

I meant to respond to this quote.....is Broadway Joe the answer to this one?

BINGO~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Avante]

There have been at least three QB's who won SB's that never passed for 3000 in any season. The three I'm thinking about, two are in the HOF.

Anyone thinking......ya gotta pass, pass ya gotta pass.....knows nothing about the game. No you don't gotta pass/pass and pass. You gotta protect the ball and convert on third down. Make smart decisions and move the chains.


Bart Starr
Len Dawson

all in the Hall of Fame, didn't need to...gotta pass ya gotta pass, they proved that by winning the SB.

Jim McMahon is the other.

[spurraider21]

Namath passed for 3000+ 3 different times

[Avante]

Namath passed for 3000+ 3 different times

Yeah I know, he even had a 4000 yard season when that was unheard of. I fixed it.

[Blake]

Ah i forgot about Jim Mcshlubmahon

[Pelicans78]

That Bears team would have won with Steve Fuller as well. McMahon had alot of talent, but he was a head case and injury prone.

[Avante]

Rex Grossman
Tony Eason
Earl Morrall
Trent Dilfer
Brad Johnson
Doug Williams
Jake Delhomme

have all played in a SB.

Dan Fouts
Warren Moon
Sonny Jurgenson
Andrew Luck

Never did.

Jim McMahan
Trent Dilfer
Doug Williams

have won the SB

Jim Kelly
Fran Tarkenton
John Unitas

Never did.

So what does all that tell us?

[NFO]

So what does all that tell us?

That your a complete moron for writing all of that.

That was the easiest question you have ever asked.

[Avante]

That your a complete moron for writing all of that.

That was the easiest question you have ever asked.


Tell us all again about how Kurt Warner isn't eligable for the HOF, hahahaha!!!!

Fucking idiot!

[Brazil]

That your a complete moron for writing all of that.

That was the easiest question you have ever asked.

:lol