Wayne Ellington

[midnightpulp]

Lakers got a nice upgrade at the starting SG spot with this guy. 17ppg on 52% over his last 5 games.

Could hurt their tanking efforts.

[Malik Hairston]

You can hate Kobe and all, but Swaggy C is a much worse player and cancer IMO..

[StrengthAndHonor]

You can hate Kobe and all, but Swaggy C is a much worse player and cancer IMO..
Never thought that was possible but Swaggy's assist to shot ratio is about to hit historic records.

[Splits]

You can hate Kobe and all, but Swaggy C is a much worse player and cancer IMO..

WTF are you talking about?

http://i.imgur.com/yWuWx3i.png



http://i.imgur.com/GSWdtj4.png

Phaggy "shoe house" P is a horrible basketball player, but he's been a net-positive on the court while Kirby has been a massive net-negative.

[ElNono]

You can hate Kobe and all, but Swaggy C is a much worse player and cancer IMO..

Not than current Kobe... over Kobe's career, I would agree.

[Malik Hairston]

WTF are you talking about?

http://i.imgur.com/yWuWx3i.png



http://i.imgur.com/GSWdtj4.png

Phaggy "shoe house" P is a horrible basketball player, but he's been a net-positive on the court while Kirby has been a massive net-negative.

Those numbers aren't adjusted for teammates..

Kobe's RAPM is much better than Swaggy C's this season..

[Splits]

Those numbers aren't adjusted for teammates..

Kobe's RAPM is much better than Swaggy C's this season..

Sample size is PLENTY big enough to compensate for lineups.

It would be one thing if they were within an acceptable margin of error, like +/- 5 pts. But Phaggy is beasting him on a 17pt differential, you can't ignore that.

[spurraider21]

Those numbers aren't adjusted for teammates..

Kobe's RAPM is much better than Swaggy C's this season..
i'll bite. what's the C for? knowing you, my top guess is coon

[Malik Hairston]

Sample size is PLENTY big enough to compensate for lineups.

It would be one thing if they were within an acceptable margin of error, like +/- 5 pts. But Phaggy is beasting him on a 17pt differential, you can't ignore that.

That's irrelevant, those are unadjusted numbers, which are heavily flawed..it doesn't compensate for lineups:lol..

Kobe has been one of the worst players in the league this season, but so has Swaggy..

[Malik Hairston]

i'll bite. what's the C for? knowing you, my top guess is coon

Really?

[spurraider21]

Really?
Really.

[Malik Hairston]

Really.

Black man dating a woman that has created a career from mocking Black culture..

[midnightpulp]

That's irrelevant, those are unadjusted numbers, which are heavily flawed..it doesn't compensate for lineups:lol..

Kobe has been one of the worst players in the league this season, but so has Swaggy..

Is ESPN's RPM essentially the equivalent to RaPM?

It has Swaggy at -1.13 and Kobe at -2.31.

[Splits]

Is ESPN's RPM essentially the equivalent to RaPM?

It has Swaggy at -1.13 and Kobe at -2.31.

:cry no it's not adjusted :cry

[midnightpulp]

:cry no it's not adjusted :cry

I believe it is:


RPM stats are provided by Jeremias Engelmann in consultation with Steve Ilardi. RPM is based on Engelmann's xRAPM (Regularized Adjusted Plus-Minus). Play-by-play data provided by Basketball-Reference.com.

[Malik Hairston]

Is ESPN's RPM essentially the equivalent to RaPM?

It has Swaggy at -1.13 and Kobe at -2.31.

http://www.gotbuckets.com/2014/04/14/a-brief-comparison-of-gotbuckets-rapm-results-to-espn-rpm-results/

[Splits]

Kirby played with the same teammates against the same opponents as Phaggy

If you look at their on/off metrics, Phaggy is a minor positive and Kobe is a major negative

But Harlem has to reach to backup his "Kobe is top 10" schtick, so he plays the "RAPM" card without producing any evidence of where he is getting his numbers

His agenda is pretty clear

Until he produces the maths, he's full of shit and just on another one of his bullshit trolling schticks

:cry who is the worst starting PG in the past 50 years Enrique or Rose :cry

[Splits]

http://www.gotbuckets.com/2014/04/14/a-brief-comparison-of-gotbuckets-rapm-results-to-espn-rpm-results/

Ok, so you've provided the "definition"

Where are the numbers?

[Malik Hairston]

:lol what the hell? I just said Kobe has been one of the worst players in the league, this season..

How does outplaying Swaggy C change that?

[Splits]

:lol what the hell? I just said Kobe has been one of the worst players in the league, this season..

How does outplaying Swaggy C change that?


Ok, so you've provided the "definition"

Where are the numbers?

[Malik Hairston]

Oh wait, fail, tbh:lol..I was looking at the wrong link..

They have virtually the same RAPM, this season, but Kobe is still superior, as he has way more possessions and minutes..

[Malik Hairston]

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/RAPM_2015.html

[midnightpulp]

http://www.gotbuckets.com/2014/04/14/a-brief-comparison-of-gotbuckets-rapm-results-to-espn-rpm-results/

Any sites have this year's 2014-15 RAPM numbers?

[midnightpulp]

Any sites have this year's 2014-15 RAPM numbers?

N/M, saw your reply above.

[Malik Hairston]

Young -0.6 approx 3000 possessions
Kobe -0.8 approx 4500 possessions

Young 15.5 PER
Kobe 17.5 PER

Young -0.2 VORP
Kobe 1.6 VORP

[Splits]

Oh wait, fail, tbh:lol..I was looking at the wrong link..

They have virtually the same RAPM, this season, but Kobe is still superior, as he has way more possessions and minutes..

:cry but they're adjusted, why do possessions and minutes matter :cry

Players that have a better RAPM than Kobe, but worse than Phaggy (according to your link)

Derrick Rose
Joel Freeland
Robert Covington
Ed Davis
Austin Daye
Nate Robinson
Thaddeus Young
Nikola Vucevic
Bismack Biyombo
Shelvin Mack
Quincy Pondexter
Clint Capela
Larry Drew
C.J. Wilcox
Lucas Nogueira
Kalin Lucas
Nick Johnson
Kyle Singler
Gary Harris
Andre Dawkins
Russ Smith
Jason Terry
Troy Daniels
Jabari Parker
Jeremy Lin
Nate Wolters


:lmao just go to sleep fool

[Malik Hairston]

:cry but they're adjusted, why do possessions and minutes matter :cry

Players that have a better RAPM than Kobe, but worse than Phaggy (according to your link)

Derrick Rose
Joel Freeland
Robert Covington
Ed Davis
Austin Daye
Nate Robinson
Thaddeus Young
Nikola Vucevic
Bismack Biyombo
Shelvin Mack
Quincy Pondexter
Clint Capela
Larry Drew
C.J. Wilcox
Lucas Nogueira
Kalin Lucas
Nick Johnson
Kyle Singler
Gary Harris
Andre Dawkins
Russ Smith
Jason Terry
Troy Daniels
Jabari Parker
Jeremy Lin
Nate Wolters


:lmao just go to sleep fool

You clearly need to look into the meaning of these numbers:lol..

RAPM is supposed to compare players with:

1- Similar possession numbers
2- Combined with other advanced metrics(usage rates and volume metrics), players with similar roles to each other

Kobe has played approximately 1500 possessions more than Young..makes a huge difference..

[Splits]

Young -0.6 approx 3000 possessions
Kobe -0.8 approx 4500 possessions

Young 15.5 PER
Kobe 17.5 PER

Young -0.2 VORP
Kobe 1.6 VORP

:lol PER

We can all cherry-pick adv mets

Young: 0.74 WS/48
Kirby: .005 WS/48

Young: 1.2 WS
Kirby: 0.1 WS

Young: 1.2 OWS
Kirby: -0.4 OWS (team worst :lmao)

[Malik Hairston]

If you're going to ignore context and sample sizes, then Hassan Whiteside is the 2nd best big man in the league, according to most advanced metrics:lol..

[Malik Hairston]

:lol PER

We can all cherry-pick adv mets

Young: 0.74 WS/48
Kirby: .005 WS/48

Young: 1.2 WS
Kirby: 0.1 WS

Young: 1.2 OWS
Kirby: -0.4 OWS (team worst :lmao)

Win Shares is a weak stat, as I've been saying for years..you can throw it in as an add-on, that's fine, but like offensive/defensive rating, it should just be a throw-in, peripheral stat, not your main argument(really easy to poke holes in it)..

PER is a good box score stat to evaluate individual performance, which is the only thing both Kobe and Nick Young are aiming for..

[Splits]

Win Shares is a weak stat, as I've been saying for years..you can throw it in as an add-on, that's fine, but like offensive/defensive rating, it should just be a throw-in, peripheral stat, not your main argument(really easy to poke holes in it)..

PER is a good box score stat to evaluate individual performance, which is the only thing both Kobe and Nick Young are aiming for..

RAPM is so far ahead of the adv stat times that the only link available on the entire interwebs is some appspot.com 1999 Lotus-123 bullshit spreadsheet :lmao

Nigga can't even upgrade to Excel 2005 :lol

[spurraider21]

RAPM is so far ahead of the adv stat times that the only link available on the entire interwebs is some appspot.com 1999 Lotus-123 bullshit spreadsheet :lmao

Nigga can't even upgrade to Excel 2005 :lol
:lol

[Splits]

:lol

Who can keep with technology when you're :cry so deep into the numbers :cry

[ambchang]

Win Shares is a weak stat, as I've been saying for years..you can throw it in as an add-on, that's fine, but like offensive/defensive rating, it should just be a throw-in, peripheral stat, not your main argument(really easy to poke holes in it)..

PER is a good box score stat to evaluate individual performance, which is the only thing both Kobe and Nick Young are aiming for..

PER is a summary of basic stats using random weights that has no true bearing of how well a player contributes to a game.

While WS has its flaws, it's a much better representation of how well a player helps his team win (which at the end is all you want) than RAPM, which is really covered in fuzzy math and unknown normalizations.

RAPM is also prone to overrating/underrating a player based on the strength of the bench. If a player is replaced by Eric Bledsoe, he is going to look a lot worse than another player replaced by Austin Rivers. Not to mention that the number of possessions argument indicates Kawhi > Lebron, and stat also says Draymond Green > Klay Thompson, not mention Amir Johnson is some superstar level player.

[DMC]

Black man dating a woman that has created a career from mocking Black culture..
What better way to retaliate than anal penetration?

[Red Hawk #21]

RAPM is so far ahead of the adv stat times that the only link available on the entire interwebs is some appspot.com 1999 Lotus-123 bullshit spreadsheet :lmao

Nigga can't even upgrade to Excel 2005 :lol

:rollin