That Kawhi-led team though... [Archive]

ThaBigFundamental21

02-01-2015, 02:20 PM

The Spurs took 30 three point shots!!! A that is too many. B they made 10. Boris Diaw played awful D on Griffin. He is out of shape and slow. This isn't the Diaw that did great when tasked with guarding LeBron in the finals the past two years. This is fat, lazy, disinterested Diaw.

The Spurs aren't consistently scoring in the paint. Leonard is the only guy who can consistently get to the rim when he needs to. Parker and Manu seem to be struggling more than ever in the paint for the obvious reasons. Duncan started the year well, But looks gassed. If the Spurs can start scoring in the paint, the Offense will come alive. Obviously the perimeter will open up. The Spurs need open 3 ball looks. Not off the dribble 3's. That's not our teams strength.

Then there is our passing. All year the passing has been awful. It's been sloppy, it's been behind guys making cuts, passes have been at each others feet. The turnovers are alarming. Its ugly lazy basketball. Its a lack of concentration. And it shows indifference, the team isn't willi g to committ to 48 minutes of good basketball a night.

The Defense is ugly too. We are consistently getting beat off the dribble on the perimeter. We are content to get lost in traffic coming off screens. There is no real hustle to stick to our man. Guys are having to compensate for others and as a result they gut pulled out of position leading to easy buckets at the basket or a wide open 3.

Imo probably 2/3 of what we are seeing is poor effort and or being content. The other 1/3 is age creeping up. And tbh, the getting old part doesn't worry me nearly as much as the disinterest...

The Spurs have a lot of issues right now. ..

Clipper Nation

02-01-2015, 02:39 PM

That was actually an Enrique-led team, tbh. Frizzle with the bads yet again.

TheGreatYacht

02-02-2015, 09:58 AM

24 points (8-18)

Lose to the Clips (for the first time time in a couple years) by 20.
0 assists smh

cjw

02-02-2015, 10:18 AM

Boris Diaw played awful D on Griffin. He is out of shape and slow. This isn't the Diaw that did great when tasked with guarding LeBron in the finals the past two years. This is fat, lazy, disinterested Diaw.

This was the biggest issue to me in the game. Even when Griffin was out of the game or someone else was switched onto him, Diaw had trouble guarding Hawes (laughing stock around NBA this year). Problem with Diaw is he's not a guy you can put on the shelf and rest - he'll balloon a pound per day.

100%duncan

02-02-2015, 10:27 AM

So Kawhi scored 24 and then gets the blame for the team's lackluster performance besides his and Danny's.

Cats :lmao

Dex

02-02-2015, 10:37 AM

Non-issue.

ego

02-02-2015, 01:13 PM

Leonard scores 24 but only 5 REB ; -20 +/- and 0 AS !! super leader !!!

timtonymanu

02-02-2015, 02:14 PM

:lol no lyf3 scrub

TheGreatYacht

02-08-2015, 09:25 PM

5/17 :lmao
1 assist :lmao
-23 :lmao

loveforthegame

02-08-2015, 09:26 PM

Yeah his teammates really shot the ball well.

Clipper Nation

02-08-2015, 09:27 PM

4-13, -22, overdribbling all night and outplayed by fat fuck Lowry.

That Enrique-led team though...

hater

02-08-2015, 09:27 PM

He was turrble

lefty

02-08-2015, 09:28 PM

Turrible Turrible

TheGreatYacht

02-08-2015, 09:28 PM

"Enrique-led team" :lol
Role player leading the team in shots and TO's :lol

dabom

02-08-2015, 09:28 PM

Kinda hard to go positive when pop plays tony with kawhi all the time as to help enrique tbh.

loveforthegame

02-08-2015, 09:29 PM

Duncan 3-14
Green 2-9
Parker 4-13
Manu 3-13

Leonard was far from good but let's not act like he was the only one to shoot poorly.

hater

02-08-2015, 09:34 PM

Duncan 3-14
Green 2-9
Parker 4-13
Manu 3-13

Leonard was far from good but let's not act like he was the only one to shoot poorly.

Sure but he's supposed to be our leader and MVP :lol

Clipper Nation

02-08-2015, 09:36 PM

Sure but he's supposed to be our leader and MVP :lol

I thought "MVParker" was the team leader?

TheGreatYacht

02-08-2015, 09:38 PM

Give Kawhi more shots :cry

wildchild

02-08-2015, 09:52 PM

Damn...the kid had a really bad shooting night but all guys were horrible, too.

The best two plays of Leonard were when he was attacking the rim against DeRozan, instead of that the rest of the game he was shooting over the two Johnson and missed a lot of wide 3's and stupid bunnies...

This team needed the kid to attack the rim more and shoot less tonight but we didn't see any of that.

Leonard should have opportunities to score but Pop/the team need to put him in position to succeed offensively...We all know he isn't a true three point shooter, why they think he is?

hater

02-08-2015, 09:53 PM

so basically Kawhi needs to be spoonfed every game to be our MVP? :lol

:lol most babied "mvp" in NBA history

loveforthegame

02-08-2015, 09:56 PM

Not spoon fed but putting him in a position of strength is just common sense. Every team does that but the Spurs.

dabom

02-08-2015, 09:57 PM

Not spoon fed but putting him in a position of strength is just common sense. Every team does that but the Spurs.

It's like the fucking team doesn't know how to re-post kawhi.

Hoops Czar

02-08-2015, 09:57 PM

Duncan 3-14
Green 2-9
Parker 4-13
Manu 3-13

Leonard was far from good but let's not act like he was the only one to shoot poorly.

How Ironic is this statement. When Leonard's shots are falling but, TP'S aren't, it's all Parker's fault. However, When Leonard's shots aren't falling, his backers are quick to point out his teammates struggles.

wildchild

02-08-2015, 09:58 PM

so basically Kawhi needs to be spoonfed every game to be our MVP? :lol

:lol most babied "mvp" in NBA history

Basically he needs the ball where he is great, not behind the arc to shoot desperate 3's with 2 seconds remaining

hater

02-08-2015, 09:59 PM

Not spoon fed but putting him in a position of strength is just common sense. Every team does that but the Spurs.

role players require to be put in a position of strength.

MVPs put themselves in that position.

TheGreatYacht

02-08-2015, 09:59 PM

How Ironic is this statement. When Leonard's shots are falling but, TP'S aren't, it's all Parker's fault. However, When Leonard's shots aren't falling, his backers are quick to point out his teammates struggles.
Logic isn't welcomed here, sir

TheGreatYacht

02-08-2015, 10:00 PM

role players require to be put in a position of strength.

MVPs put themselves in that position.
/thread

wildchild

02-08-2015, 10:01 PM

role players require to be put in a position of strength.

MVPs put themselves in that position.

Oh yeah...because Jordan was an amazing three point shooter at 23 years old...

TheGreatYacht

02-08-2015, 10:03 PM

Jordan attacked the paint, not bail his mismatches out with pull-up twos...

wildchild

02-08-2015, 10:06 PM

What's wrong with these guys here...

Why they expect Leonard can hit those 3's? He was 18% in college, and yes, he has done a great job to improve but he's not a three point shooter.

timtonymanu

02-08-2015, 10:07 PM

Leonard definitely sucked tonight and deserves criticism, but he hasn't looked consistently bad like other players on the team.

:lol player fans

Clipper Nation

02-08-2015, 10:09 PM

Enriquesuckers blowing their load over one game in which their mancrush played even worse :lol

Hoops Czar

02-08-2015, 10:11 PM

Since Leonard's return 7-3, 2-3 vs current playoff teams. I guess Leonard wasn't the quick fix after all.

dabom

02-08-2015, 10:17 PM

Since Leonard's return 7-3, 2-3 vs current playoff teams. I guess Leonard wasn't the quick fix after all.

What was our winning % vs playoff teams this time of the year last year? Fuck off retard. :lmao

DMC

02-08-2015, 10:55 PM

KL is not going to lead the Spurs. He just won't. He'll be a good player, but he'll never be the guy.

DMC

02-08-2015, 10:55 PM

Since Leonard's return 7-3, 2-3 vs current playoff teams. I guess Leonard wasn't the quick fix after all.
Oh no, Leonard was the primary reason. When I said otherwise all the little GNSFaggots jumped on it like someone raped their mothers.

wildchild

02-08-2015, 11:10 PM

KL is not going to lead the Spurs. He just won't. He'll be a good player, but he'll never be the guy.

He was leading the team in some nice wins last playoffs and this season.

And we don't have a lot of good options over him, so better for the Spurs he can be that guy.

wildchild

02-08-2015, 11:11 PM

Oh no, Leonard was the primary reason.

Finally a good take. You're right. He was.

DMC

02-08-2015, 11:17 PM

He was leading the team in some nice wins last playoffs and this season.

And we don't have a lot of good options over him, so better for the Spurs he can be that guy.

Here comes the KL apologist who must get paged every time his name is mentioned on the forum. There's a difference between "has led" and "will lead". Being the leading scorer during a game isn't the same as leading the team. It's just not. If KL was the leading scorer night in and night out, and pulled down double digit rebound and defended as well as he does now, that might change, but he would have to be more connected mentally than he is. He's a loner, won't be a leader on any NBA team.

dabom

02-08-2015, 11:23 PM

Here comes the KL apologist who must get paged every time his name is mentioned on the forum. There's a difference between "has led" and "will lead". Being the leading scorer during a game isn't the same as leading the team. It's just not. If KL was the leading scorer night in and night out, and pulled down double digit rebound and defended as well as he does now, that might change, but he would have to be more connected mentally than he is. He's a loner, won't be a leader on any NBA team.

The system doesn't revolve around him though and he is playing with cancer players. Getting the most shots up isn't the same as if the offense ran through him. When are fucking retards going to understand this?

TheGreatYacht

02-08-2015, 11:26 PM

The system doesn't revolve around him though and he is playing with cancer players. Getting the most shots up isn't the same as if the offense ran through him. When are fucking retards going to understand this?
You posted under the wrong username faggot :lol

dabom

02-08-2015, 11:27 PM

You posted under the wrong username faggot :lol

I only have one you fucking retard.

dabom

02-08-2015, 11:28 PM

:lmao incognito cavs fan. :lmao

Hoops Czar

02-08-2015, 11:34 PM

Here comes the KL apologist who must get paged every time his name is mentioned on the forum. There's a difference between "has led" and "will lead". Being the leading scorer during a game isn't the same as leading the team. It's just not. If KL was the leading scorer night in and night out, and pulled down double digit rebound and defended as well as he does now, that might change, but he would have to be more connected mentally than he is. He's a loner, won't be a leader on any NBA team.

Most important thing for the future success of the franchise, post Duncan era, will be to surround the wall flower with good solid all-around talent because if he has to take on the responsibility of being THAT guy, the Spurs will be a lottery team.

wildchild

02-08-2015, 11:47 PM

Here comes the KL apologist who must get paged every time his name is mentioned on the forum.
It seems like you have a problem with this... I should be worried about? I'm not entirely sure...

If KL was the leading scorer night in and night out, and pulled down double digit rebound and defended as well as he does now, that might change, but he would have to be more connected mentally than he is. He's a loner, won't be a leader on any NBA team.

When the kid will get the touches that all top SF in the league have, when he will have the playing time all young SF in the league have, when he won't get 9 attempts-less a game or playing 20 minutes-less a game, he will probably be the leading scorer every night.

But agree with you, the leading scorer isn't the leader of a team. A player can carry the offense but it doesn't mean he's carrying the team.
And maybe Leonard is too young to be the spiritual leader on a team with Tim and Manu still playing. They are the real leaders even if they aren't the scoring leaders.

TheGreatYacht

02-08-2015, 11:48 PM

Are we going to keep calling this dude "the future" on his 5th year as well?

wildchild

02-08-2015, 11:53 PM

He's the present and the future of this team in his 4th year pro-23 years old.

apalisoc_9

02-08-2015, 11:58 PM

The spurs now are extremely reliant on Leonard's offensive production..:lol

It's not a good thing though because you need other players to step up but it's pretty darn clear when he's having a bad offensive game the spurs lose.

Clipper Nation

02-09-2015, 12:16 AM

Why is it that this thread gets to stay but the mods will delete any thread that offends the Enriquesuckers?

dabom

02-09-2015, 12:19 AM

I guess we can only say nice things about enrique or something.

TheGreatYacht

02-09-2015, 12:25 AM

:lol short bus can't tell the difference between 1 Kawhi thread & 500 Enrique threads

http://youtu.be/glkQwKA5_PU

Here, this may help :rollin

DMC

02-09-2015, 12:26 AM

DMC

02-09-2015, 12:27 AM

He's the present and the future of this team in his 4th year pro-23 years old.
And you're a present and future idiot to think that.

DMC

02-09-2015, 12:31 AM

It seems like you have a problem with this... I should be worried about? I'm not entirely sure...

When the kid will get the touches that all top SF in the league have, when he will have the playing time all young SF in the league have, when he won't get 9 attempts-less a game or playing 20 minutes-less a game, he will probably be the leading scorer every night.

But agree with you, the leading scorer isn't the leader of a team. A player can carry the offense but it doesn't mean he's carrying the team.
And maybe Leonard is too young to be the spiritual leader on a team with Tim and Manu still playing. They are the real leaders even if they aren't the scoring leaders.

He's not too young to be the leader, he's too introverted. We think Tim is an introvert, but that's Tim's hook. It's not Leonard's hook. Leonard is a true introvert. Talented kid, but the league has a few talented kids and they aren't leaders and neither is Leonard. It's not his fault, he's not that guy. He does well because the team has so many weapons and KL gets to float around and do his thing. When the team starts to go to him on set plays, he won't be as productive. We saw the same thing happen to Blair, and to an extent, Gary Neal. Leonard is heads and shoulders above both guys, but he's still not the leader of the Spurs nor the face of the franchise. He's not marketable enough.

dabom

02-09-2015, 12:35 AM

Wait, the lot here were saying it does revolve around him, that he's the straw that stirs the drink.

He is the best offensive force on the spurs but is played as 3rd fiddle to tony and duncan. He forces it and it is always a high percentage shot.
The thing is, if the offense set multiple picks, post ISO and re-post ups his efficiency and numbers would be through the roof.
The team doesn't even know how to do any of these things and that's on the team not kawhi. Kawhi is the person that makes this team go though.
The team went from retiring and first round busts to a consistent championship caliber team when kawhi joined the spurs.

dabom

02-09-2015, 12:37 AM

He's not too young to be the leader, he's too introverted. We think Tim is an introvert, but that's Tim's hook. It's not Leonard's hook. Leonard is a true introvert. Talented kid, but the league has a few talented kids and they aren't leaders and neither is Leonard. It's not his fault, he's not that guy. He does well because the team has so many weapons and KL gets to float around and do his thing. When the team starts to go to him on set plays, he won't be as productive. We saw the same thing happen to Blair, and to an extent, Gary Neal. Leonard is heads and shoulders above both guys, but he's still not the leader of the Spurs nor the face of the franchise. He's not marketable enough.

Why the fuck is kawhi going to try to be the leader when we have Tim Fucking Duncan? I can already see you trying to take digs when there isn't any.
Marketable? Do we even do that? WTF does that have to do with anything?

DMC

02-09-2015, 12:38 AM

He is the best offensive force on the spurs but is played as 3rd fiddle to tony and duncan. He forces it and it is always a high percentage shot.
The thing is, if the offense set multiple picks, post ISO and re-post ups his efficiency and numbers would be through the roof.
The team doesn't even know how to do any of these things and that's on the team not kawhi. Kawhi is the person that makes this team go though.
The team went from retiring and first round busts to a consistent championship caliber team when kawhi joined the spurs.

There are other factors that many people, including you it seems, like to ignore.

1. Spurs won 60 games prior to KL's arrival
2. Spurs were beneficiaries of meeting injured teams in the playoffs over the past two years.
3. Spurs themselves were injured when they lost in the 1st round to Memphis with the best record.

Let's not pretend KL turned the team around. I like him just fine, not blaming him for anything. He's just not what you guys are making him out to be.

dabom

02-09-2015, 12:38 AM

:lol short bus can't tell the difference between 1 Kawhi thread & 500 Enrique threads

http://youtu.be/glkQwKA5_PU

Here, this may help :rollin

We know you aren't a spurs fans but atleast stick to your schtick. Can't be calling your "hero" enrique now.

DMC

02-09-2015, 12:41 AM

Why the fuck is kawhi going to try to be the leader when we have Tim Fucking Duncan? I can already see you trying to take digs when there isn't any.
Marketable? Do we even do that? WTF does that have to do with anything?

Yeah all teams do that. Go to their website and find out who is the "face of the franchise". It has a lot to do with everything. KL doesn't have the mental acuity to be a leader of the Spurs, unless the Spurs are a middle of the pack team. Hell, Cousins is the leader in Sacramento.

I have no idea what you're disagreeing with. Either he's the leader or he's not. If he's not, and you accept that, we agree. He won't be the leader in the future either. When he can torch guys in the regular season instead of being on par with Danny Green and Patty Mills, we can discuss it again.

apalisoc_9

02-09-2015, 12:47 AM

dabom

02-09-2015, 12:48 AM

There are other factors that many people, including you it seems, like to ignore.

1. Spurs won 60 games prior to KL's arrival
2. Spurs were beneficiaries of meeting injured teams in the playoffs over the past two years.
3. Spurs themselves were injured when they lost in the 1st round to Memphis with the best record.

Let's not pretend KL turned the team around. I like him just fine, not blaming him for anything. He's just not what you guys are making him out to be.

I remember everyone calling the spurs paper tigers or regular season champs around 2009 and after that for a while. This team wasn't going to win any championships even when they were winning winning 60plus in the regular season.
You think OKC beats us last year or the year b4 healthy? The refs single handily beat us in 2012. I even remember westbrook hitting the top of kawhis head and he loses the ball out of bounds and they call it out of bounds on us. We were fucked b4 we even played them. The refs weren't going to make OKC win again. We are way better than OKC when the refs aren't biased and that includes 2012. If this team can't win on the road agaisnt the grizz with a still performing manu, we just weren't fucking good tbh. Kawhi pretty much has been the most consistent playoff performer next to duncan. Kawhi is 23 and he just won the FMVP award. You are a fucking joke when you keep putting kawhi down like that.

DMC

02-09-2015, 12:49 AM

I'm not sure why DMC is so obsessed with Kawhi being a leader..kawhi is not a leader nor a social media type of guy...I don't think that's ever going to change..but you don't need to be a leader to be the best player in the team..Heck, reality is that Tim was never "the" leader. It was DROB and then it transitioned to ginobili.

Best player on a team that has balanced scoring doesn't make you the future of the franchise. Also, he's not the best player on the team. That would be one of the big 3, namely the biggest one.

dabom

02-09-2015, 12:51 AM

Please kawhi be the leader. Be marketable. :lmao

TheGreatYacht

02-09-2015, 12:51 AM

DMC

02-09-2015, 12:52 AM

I remember everyone calling the spurs paper tigers or regular season champs around 2009 and after that for a while. This team wasn't going to win any championships even when they were winning winning 60plus in the regular season.
You think OKC beats us last year or the year b4 healthy?

Yes. I think they have a much better chance if they are healthy. Hell, we could have lost to Dallas.

We didn't play them the year before however, Memphis took them out because they were not healthy.

Even in the Finals this year, the Heat were leading in SA until James cramped up when mysteriously the AC system shut down. There are some extenuating circumstances that lead to the outcomes of most seasons. The Spurs have been on both sides, but seem to be on the rosey side more than the shitty side. Just look at the teams they've faced in the playoffs over the past couple seasons and the injuries those teams were dealing with.

The refs single handily beat us in 2012. I even remember westbrook hitting the top of kawhis head and he loses the ball out of bounds and they call it out of bounds on us. We were fucked b4 we even played them. The refs weren't going to make OKC win again. We are way better than OKC when the refs aren't biased and that includes 2012. If this team can't win on the road agaisnt the grizz with a still performing manu, we just weren't fucking good tbh. Kawhi pretty much has been the most consistent playoff performer next to duncan. Kawhi is 23 and he just won the FMVP award. You are a fucking joke when you keep putting kawhi down like that.
The refs didn't backdoor sweep us.

DMC

02-09-2015, 12:53 AM

Please kawhi be the leader. Be marketable. :lmao
Typical gnsf low IQ remark.

TheGreatYacht

02-09-2015, 12:54 AM

Give Kawhi more shots :cry
No, you have to spoon feed him open shots :cry
He's not a leader :cry
But we still call him the Present and Future :cry
There's no way he doesn't make the All Star team this time :cry

DMC

02-09-2015, 12:55 AM

wildchild

02-09-2015, 12:55 AM

And you're a present and future idiot to think that.

Oh...I'm an idiot...well, nobody bumped this thread after all his good performances this season.

So I rather to be an idiot to think that than an arrogant guy who thinks he's the owner of the absolute truth and Leonard can't lead a team next years.

dabom

02-09-2015, 12:56 AM

Yes. I think they have a much better chance if they are healthy. Hell, we could have lost to Dallas.

We didn't play them the year before however, Memphis took them out because they were not healthy.

Even in the Finals this year, the Heat were leading in SA until James cramped up when mysteriously the AC system shut down. There are some extenuating circumstances that lead to the outcomes of most seasons. The Spurs have been on both sides, but seem to be on the rosey side more than the shitty side. Just look at the teams they've faced in the playoffs over the past couple seasons and the injuries those teams were dealing with.

The refs didn't backdoor sweep us.

Why is it that ST people say a whole lot of nothing. Kawhi pretty much came in here like a wrecking ball. :lol Making the spurs relevant again. :lolI'm starting to believe kawhi has become the best player on the spurs. Today I change my placement of Duncan and Kawhi as the best players on the spurs ranking. Kawhi has become the best player on the spurs. It's official. Apal you can make a new thread about that my friend. :lol

DMC

02-09-2015, 12:57 AM

Oh...I'm an idiot...

We agree.

well, nobody bumped this thread after all his good performances this season.

So I rather to be an idiot to think that than an arrogant guy who thinks he's the owner of the absolute truth and Leonard can't lead a team next years.

No one is saying he hasn't had good performances. Just saying the Spurs have deeper issues than whether or not KL is playing.

DMC

02-09-2015, 12:58 AM

Why is it that ST people say a whole lot of nothing. Kawhi pretty much came in here like a wrecking ball. :lol Making the spurs relevant again. :lolI'm starting to believe kawhi has become the best player on the spurs. Today I change my placement of Duncan and Kawhi as the best players on the spurs ranking. Kawhi has become the best player on the spurs. It's official. Apal you can make a new thread about that my friend. :lol

That's what you'd think if you only saw the results of the playoffs instead of keeping up with what's really happening. If you think one guy who doesn't score many points and never gets a play called for him turned the team around from a paper tiger to a juggernaut, you're one of the dumbest motherfuckers here and that's quite an accomplishment.

dabom

02-09-2015, 12:59 AM

Typical gnsf low IQ remark.

That's what you fucking said. :lmao

Hoops Czar

02-09-2015, 01:00 AM

Leonard doesn't have to be a vocal leader but, he does have to lead by example. :lol I think TD has done that every year of his career. Not surprised to see Leonard's offensive efficiency dropping with his usage rate at an all-time high.

apalisoc_9

02-09-2015, 01:00 AM

How is the guy who is the leading scorer on the team and the best defender on the team not the best player...

:lol

That's not even the point you're trying to make though..You're trying to say kawhi will never be a leader and that's the main reason why he will never carry the team..

That's just bogus...A team needs a leader but it doesn't have to be the best player..

Mills would make a good leader in the future...I have no doubt about that.

Heck the Hawks, Grizzlies this year don't have natural leaders..:lol

wildchild

02-09-2015, 01:00 AM

He's not too young to be the leader, he's too introverted. We think Tim is an introvert, but that's Tim's hook. It's not Leonard's hook. Leonard is a true introvert. Talented kid, but the league has a few talented kids and they aren't leaders and neither is Leonard. It's not his fault, he's not that guy. He does well because the team has so many weapons and KL gets to float around and do his thing. When the team starts to go to him on set plays, he won't be as productive. We saw the same thing happen to Blair, and to an extent, Gary Neal. Leonard is heads and shoulders above both guys, but he's still not the leader of the Spurs nor the face of the franchise. He's not marketable enough.

Compare Leonard with Blair/Neal-type player...It can't be a worse take than this...

TheGreatYacht

02-09-2015, 01:01 AM

Hawks and Grizzlies pass the ball :lol

KawhISOs :lol

ElNono

02-09-2015, 01:03 AM

Kid is getting maxed out by dem Spurs at season's end... if you don't think he's worthy, you should probably stop with the :lol and move onto the :cry

apalisoc_9

02-09-2015, 01:03 AM

This is Kawhi's first year where he's getting playcalls..With him being out close to 20 games, yet they're 9-3 with his return.

Give the Kid a chance and see if he can lead by example..He's by far the most consistent performer in the team, I'd say that's leading by example.

Hoops Czar

02-09-2015, 01:03 AM

Compare Leonard with Blair/Neal-type player...It can't be a worse take than this...

Your reading comprehension is abysmal.

wildchild

02-09-2015, 01:04 AM

No one is saying he hasn't had good performances. Just saying the Spurs have deeper issues than whether or not KL is playing.

No, you're saying you have a crystal ball and he can't lead a team next seasons.

apalisoc_9

02-09-2015, 01:06 AM

The spurs weren't even using Leonard before his injury..Only since his return have they used him religiously on the offensive end..He's usage rate has finally raised to a point where he's seeing the ball on a consistent basis and it all started in his return..They're 9-3 with him having a high usage rate. :lol..

dabom

02-09-2015, 01:06 AM

That's what you'd think if you only saw the results of the playoffs instead of keeping up with what's really happening. If you think one guy who doesn't score many points and never gets a play called for him turned the team around from a paper tiger to a juggernaut, you're one of the dumbest motherfuckers here and that's quite an accomplishment.

Kawhi has 7.2 WS these last 3 playoffs and Duncan has 7.5 WS. Manu has 4.5 WS and tony has 4.9 WS.

The biggest factor in the spurs being relevant again was the addition of 20 year old kawhi leonard. If you don't think so "you're one of the dumbest motherfuckers here and that's quite an accomplishment."

Congrats DMC, you're a faggot.

TheGreatYacht

02-09-2015, 01:09 AM

dabom

02-09-2015, 01:10 AM

TheGreatYacht

02-09-2015, 01:13 AM

Kawhi Leonard vs Chicago, -27 (worst on the team + tied with Mills for most FGA)
Kawhi Leonard vs LAC, -20 (worst on the team + most FGA)
Kawhi Leonard vs Toronto, -23 (worst on the team + most FGA)

wildchild

02-09-2015, 01:13 AM

Where were these guys after his Blazers-OKC-Miami playoffs performances?

Where were these guys after every good Leonard 's performances this season?

Where will be these guys after next Leonard's great game this season?

Kid is getting maxed out by dem Spurs at season's end... if you don't think he's worthy, you should probably stop with the :lol and move onto the :cry

Like I've said before we don't have better options over him, so try to stay optimistic about his development next seasons instead of :lol after a one bad shooting nigth.

dabom

02-09-2015, 01:14 AM

Kawhi Leonard vs Chicago, -27 (worst on the team + tied with Mills for most FGA)
Kawhi Leonard vs LAC, -20 (worst on the team + most FGA)
Kawhi Leonard vs Toronto, -23 (worst on the team + most FGA)

KL with the Finals MVP against lebron. :lol

TheGreatYacht

02-09-2015, 01:16 AM

"Our slow footed SF can't guard Durant, let's try Green on him" - Greg :lol

dabom

02-09-2015, 01:17 AM

"Our slow footed SF can't guard Durant, let's try Green on him" - Greg :lol

More like, westbrook is going off on enrique, lets try danny, fuck too slow, ok put kawhi. Checkmate. :lmao

DMC

02-09-2015, 01:17 AM

That's what you fucking said. :lmao
No it's not. I never asked KL to be either, simply said he's not. Use more emoticons, it nullifies your shitty takes.

dabom

02-09-2015, 01:19 AM

No it's not. I never asked KL to be either, simply said he's not. Use more emoticons, it nullifies your shitty takes.

Still a faggot. :lmao

N0 LyF3 ScRuB

02-09-2015, 01:19 AM

No it's not. I never asked KL to be either, simply said he's not. Use more emoticons, it nullifies your shitty takes.
:lol headshot. This dude is such a fucking retard.

wildchild

02-09-2015, 01:19 AM

People talking about +/- when Matt Bonner is the King of +/- most games...

ElNono

02-09-2015, 01:19 AM

Like I've said before he don't have better options over him, so try to stay optimistic about his development next seasons instead of :lol after a one bad shooting nigth.

The thing with Kiwi is that he's young and has upside... obviously, every contract is a gamble, but when you're paying younger legs you have bigger, better odds that it will eventually pay off... it's not like we're throwing a max 3 year extension to a guy on the wrong side of 30...

DMC

02-09-2015, 01:20 AM

Kawhi has 7.2 WS these last 3 playoffs and Duncan has 7.5 WS. Manu has 4.5 WS and tony has 4.9 WS.

The biggest factor in the spurs being relevant again was the addition of 20 year old kawhi leonard. If you don't think so "you're one of the dumbest motherfuckers here and that's quite an accomplishment."

Congrats DMC, you're a faggot.

Ergo Tim is better than Leonard, ergo Leonard isn't the best player on the team. Parker also has a Finals MVP. Does that make him the face of the franchise? Obviously not, since Pop said KL will be and Tony isn't even close to retirement age.

dabom

02-09-2015, 01:20 AM

:lol headshot. This dude is such a fucking retard.

No alts this time?

Hoops Czar

02-09-2015, 01:20 AM

We're 9-3 with him back :cry

Okay. So they've beat Portland and managed to win a bunch of close games against lottery teams :lol I wonder what happened against actual playoff teams... Chicago, LAC, Toronto.

8-3, 2 (Milluakee, Portland)-3(LAC, Toronto, Chicago) vs playoff teams. It's pretty obvious the same problems that plagued the Spurs pre-Leonard's injury still exist. If this isn't proof of TP's importance and getting him back on track, then, I don't know what is. It would help if Green and Splitter could play more consistent on both ends of the floor as well.

TheGreatYacht

02-09-2015, 01:20 AM

"Come on Kawhi, they're putting Lewis on you... Step up faggot. Forget about the Big 3, we know they'll show up. Abuse Rashard like you did Miller last year" - Greg :lol

DMC

02-09-2015, 01:21 AM

The thing with Kiwi is that he's young and has upside... obviously, every contract is a gamble, but when you're paying younger legs you have bigger, better odds that it will eventually pay off... it's not like we're throwing a max 3 year extension to a guy on the wrong side of 30...

Spurs don't know who's going to be available in the summer or what their salary will look like since Tim and/or Manu could retire. The Spurs could go for a bigger name. I think they resign him, but they rarely overpay someone (Jefferson notwithstanding).

dabom

02-09-2015, 01:23 AM

Ergo Tim is better than Leonard, ergo Leonard isn't the best player on the team. Parker also has a Finals MVP. Does that make him the face of the franchise? Obviously not, since Pop said KL will be and Tony isn't even close to retirement age.

We aren't talking about who the best player is. We were talking about the difference between paper champs and perennial contender. The addition of Kawhi made us juggernauts. You're the one that fails to see that.

DMC

02-09-2015, 01:23 AM

People talking about +/- when Matt Bonner is the King of +/- most games...
Yeah that's not a "red" herring.

N0 LyF3 ScRuB

02-09-2015, 01:23 AM

We aren't talking about who the best player is. We were talking about the difference between paper champs and perennial contender. The addition of Kawhi made us juggernauts. You're the one that fails to see that.

Truth be told we just needed someone to hold it down on defense. He's our Bruce Bowen. Not our elite players (big 3)

DMC

02-09-2015, 01:24 AM

We aren't talking about who the best player is. We were talking about the difference between paper champs and perennial contender. The addition of Kawhi made us juggernauts. You're the one that fails to see that.

You haven't done anything to show KL made that difference. Instead you've posted a bunch of carbon copy shitty takes and emoticons sucking Leonard off without knowing shit about the game. What are you, 15?

Hoops Czar

02-09-2015, 01:24 AM

People talking about +/- when Matt Bonner is the King of +/- most games...

You probably don't realize just how ironic this post is.

dabom

02-09-2015, 01:25 AM

"Come on Kawhi, they're putting Lewis on you... Step up faggot. Forget about the Big 3, we know they'll show up. Abuse Rashard like you did Miller last year" - Greg :lol

:lmao

ElNono

02-09-2015, 01:26 AM

Spurs don't know who's going to be available in the summer or what their salary will look like since Tim and/or Manu could retire. The Spurs could go for a bigger name. I think they resign him, but they rarely overpay someone (Jefferson notwithstanding).

They will max Kawhi... I have zero doubts about it. They'll try to be cheap, have Mike Monroe pen a story about Kawhi's injury history to avoid other teams offering the max, but Kawhi will get the offer and the Spurs will match.

After that, it will depend on what Tim and Manu do and how much money they want if they want to come back.

apalisoc_9

02-09-2015, 01:26 AM

The thing with Kiwi is that he's young and has upside... obviously, every contract is a gamble, but when you're paying younger legs you have bigger, better odds that it will eventually pay off... it's not like we're throwing a max 3 year extension to a guy on the wrong side of 30...

:lmao

Seriously, Kawhi has been one of the most consistent players in the last 4 years and he has consistently improved on all aspects of his game..

They have the 2nd best record in the west after kawhi's return..

Those are facts.

TheGreatYacht

02-09-2015, 01:27 AM

8-3, 2 (Milluakee, Portland)-3(LAC, Toronto, Chicago) vs playoff teams. It's pretty obvious the same problems that plagued the Spurs pre-Leonard's injury still exist. If this isn't proof of TP's importance and getting him back on track, then, I don't know what is. It would help if Green and Splitter could play more consistent on both ends of the floor as well.
They'll never realize it. Anyone that has access to cable television and watches the games knows that this Kawhi-centered offense is utter trash. Plain and simple. Leonard is just another cog on Pop's system... Parker is the head of the snake and if he plays well it opens up opportunities for everyone else (look at Green being left open vs Miami)

Don't mind these faggots, tbh.

dabom

02-09-2015, 01:28 AM

You haven't done anything to show KL made that difference. Instead you've posted a bunch of carbon copy shitty takes and emoticons sucking Leonard off without knowing shit about the game. What are you, 15?

KL is playing at superstar levels alongside Tim Fucking Duncan while Manu and Tony take turns shitting the bed. Please explain what was the difference between 2009,2010,2011 playoffs and 2012,2013,2014 playoffs. enlighten me faggot.

dabom

02-09-2015, 01:29 AM

TheGreatYacht

02-09-2015, 01:30 AM

Manu has been doing a great job with the bench as of late, but for some reason Pop keeps insisting in adding Kawhi to that lineup and it ruins their momentum... He already sucked the blood out of the starters, don't ruin the Foreign Legion..

ElNono

02-09-2015, 01:31 AM

Seriously, Kawhi has been one of the most consistent players in the last 4 years and he has consistently improved on all aspects of his game..

They have the 2nd best record in the west after kawhi's return..

Those are facts.

His offense still needs a lot of work, there's no doubt in my mind about it. He's not a natural, and while he's improved, he still has a lot of work ahead of him.

But for the Spurs he's been crucial because our perimeter defense has been shit since Bowen left and because the SF position is one of the most stacked in the NBA, so you have to have a solid SF to match up, at least defensively. He's also an incredible rebounder, which was another hole the team had due to TD's decline.

dabom

02-09-2015, 01:31 AM

Truth be told we just needed someone to hold it down on defense. He's our Bruce Bowen. Not our elite players (big 3)

Fucking elnono wouldn't even fucking agree with your shitty take tbh.

wildchild

02-09-2015, 01:31 AM

when you're paying younger legs you have bigger, better odds that it will eventually pay off... it's not like we're throwing a max 3 year extension to a guy on the wrong side of 30...

Love the subtle posts

DMC

02-09-2015, 01:32 AM

They will max Kawhi... I have zero doubts about it. They'll try to be cheap, have Mike Monroe pen a story about Kawhi's injury history to avoid other teams offering the max, but Kawhi will get the offer and the Spurs will match.

After that, it will depend on what Tim and Manu do and how much money they want if they want to come back.

The contract structure could be as important as the amount. KL might not want to take a chance at 5 years of missing the playoffs with a small market team if he can go to LA or some larger market where he can showcase his talent and guarantee him more money down the road. So if a team offers him a PTO after 2, it might go a long way.

dabom

02-09-2015, 01:35 AM

Bruce bowen has 6.3 WS in his 10 playoff years and in 120 games compared to kawhis 7.3 WS in 3 years and 58 games. Kawhi is not bruce bowen and we can start talking about how he already surpassed him by a wide margin.

DMC

02-09-2015, 01:35 AM

KL is playing at superstar levels alongside Tim Fucking Duncan while Manu and Tony take turns shitting the bed. Please explain what was the difference between 2009,2010,2011 playoffs and 2012,2013,2014 playoffs. enlighten me faggot.

Neither is playing at superstar levels. Tim is playing great, but superstar level is more than either Tim or KL are doing right now.

You have to go over each year and take it individually to know what changed. The Spurs don't play themselves.

ElNono

02-09-2015, 01:37 AM

The contract structure could be as important as the amount. KL might not want to take a chance at 5 years of missing the playoffs with a small market team if he can go to LA or some larger market where he can showcase his talent and guarantee him more money down the road. So if a team offers him a PTO after 2, it might go a long way.

Well, he needs to find a team that will offer such a deal. I'm also sure his agent will be talking about "job security" and "guaranteed contract" and "taking care of his family", while crunching numbers on his commission on the computer behind him.

But you're not entirely wrong. I started a thread not that long ago about that. I think 99% of the time the player will follow the money, especially on his first deal. But Kawhi is an unknown up to an extent, and a player that has enjoyed the limelight already, so if he's more interested about his long-term career, it could get interesting.

dabom

02-09-2015, 01:39 AM

Neither is playing at superstar levels. Tim is playing great, but superstar level is more than either Tim or KL are doing right now.

You have to go over each year and take it individually to know what changed. The Spurs don't play themselves.

Clearly in denial. :lmao

wildchild

02-09-2015, 01:39 AM

They'll try to be cheap, have Mike Monroe pen a story about Kawhi's injury history to avoid other teams offering the max...

I remember that Buck Harvey tried so hard last year with his "Kawhi's agent" article but without success...:D

apalisoc_9

02-09-2015, 01:40 AM

His offense still needs a lot of work, there's no doubt in my mind about it. He's not a natural, and while he's improved, he still has a lot of work ahead of him.

But for the Spurs he's been crucial because our perimeter defense has been shit since Bowen left and because the SF position is one of the most stacked in the NBA, so you have to have a solid SF to match up, at least defensively. He's also an incredible rebounder, which was another hole the team had due to TD's decline.

oh for sure, but part of it really is how they utilize him..He's still freestyler out there though so it's really hard to gauge his overall offensive capability...sure he takes the most shots, but it's also because he plays the most minutes...

His PnR needs work and his lateral drive are the two main things he needs to work on..Once that's done, he's pretty much a complete player.

We don't even know if he's already good at those two things since Pop has him taking shots on the post and out of a kick out drive...

apalisoc_9

02-09-2015, 01:42 AM

Lebron, AD, and KD are the only superstars in the league...

Westbrook has superstar talent as well...

The others are all just star players...

ElNono

02-09-2015, 01:42 AM

I remember that Buck Harvey tried so hard last year with his "Kawhi's agent" article but without success...:D

Oh yeah, it was Buck. There's always a hitman available when the company needs one.

DMC

02-09-2015, 01:45 AM

Clearly in denial. :lmao

The bane of this forum is you player loving faggots who's loving eyes never seen the truths. You think in terms of black and white, because you're functionally retarded children.

dabom

02-09-2015, 01:47 AM

The bane of this forum is you player loving faggots who's loving eyes never seen the truths. You think in terms of black and white, because you're functionally retarded children.

I just tell it how I see it. Sorry the truth hurts.

ElNono

02-09-2015, 01:49 AM

oh for sure, but part of it really is how they utilize him..He's still freestyler out there though so it's really hard to gauge his overall offensive capability...sure he takes the most shots, but it's also because he plays the most minutes...

His PnR needs work and his lateral drive are the two main things he needs to work on..Once that's done, he's pretty much a complete player.

We don't even know if he's already good at those two things since Pop has him taking shots on the post and out of a kick out drive...

It really isn't. Kawhi doesn't really have a defined role offensively outside of the postup and catch and shoot 3 this year, simply because we have better players to do other things. There's at least 3-4 better players that can run a pick and roll better than Kawhi right now, so why have him run it? His passing and understanding of the game has to improve a lot. He finds himself trying to force the issue a lot, and while his shooting has improved leaps and bounds since college, he's still isn't a terribly confident shooter like other scorers in the league.

All that said, he's young, I think he understand his limitations. To Pop's credit, he's taken it easy with Kawhi, only incrementing his offensive load gradually. That's the best way to learn. Not having the pressure every night to go out there and being who you're not (yet). Given time, his best offensive game will come around.

dabom

02-09-2015, 01:52 AM

apalisoc_9

02-09-2015, 01:57 AM

It really isn't. Kawhi doesn't really have a defined role offensively outside of the postup and catch and shoot 3 this year, simply because we have better players to do other things. There's at least 3-4 better players that can run a pick and roll better than Kawhi right now, so why have him run it? His passing and understanding of the game has to improve a lot. He finds himself trying to force the issue a lot, and while his shooting has improved leaps and bounds since college, he's still isn't a terribly confident shooter like other scorers in the league.

All that said, he's young, I think he understand his limitations. To Pop's credit, he's taken it easy with Kawhi, only incrementing his offensive load gradually. That's the best way to learn. Not having the pressure every night to go out there and being who you're not (yet). Given time, his best offensive game will come around.

That's my point..I'm simply trying to argue against the IDEA that he will NEVER be the guy..The reality is that, we don't know if he can or if he can't..because we've never tried. I'm not advocating a total change in system, even though I know it's inevitable..Pop probably knows this and that's why he's been feeding Kawhi in the last 11 games.

We don't really know Kawhi's maximum potential at this point...Which makes it even more scary because at his current state he's already playing at an all-star level.

apalisoc_9

02-09-2015, 01:58 AM

It can only get better at this point for him..

Teams are going to give him the max with that mentality

ElNono

02-09-2015, 02:01 AM

But can kawhi be a leader, and is he marketable? Asking the serious questions here.

He got Pop's stamp of approval. For all we know, they'll try.

dabom

02-09-2015, 02:02 AM

It can only get better at this point for him..

Teams are going to give him the max with that mentality

Someone that sees the big picture. Kawhi looks amazing on offense and we havent even properly tried to untap that potential.

The spurs are giving him the max and he very well deserves it.

ElNono

02-09-2015, 02:02 AM

That's my point..I'm simply trying to argue against the IDEA that he will NEVER be the guy..The reality is that, we don't know if he can or if he can't..because we've never tried. I'm not advocating a total change in system, even though I know it's inevitable..Pop probably knows this and that's why he's been feeding Kawhi in the last 11 games.

We don't really know Kawhi's maximum potential at this point...Which makes it even more scary because at his current state he's already playing at an all-star level.

The potential is certainly there, especially for a kid you already know that has shined at the brightest stage. Like I said earlier, every contract is a gamble, but if you're gonna bet, might as well bet on the young, promising kid.

apalisoc_9

02-09-2015, 02:03 AM

Not to mention Kawhi is a badass winner..

He is the perfect example of elevating once game when it the matters the most.

He's one of those guys whose game improve significantly in the playoffs..

Hard to find guys like that in the NBA.

wildchild

02-09-2015, 02:04 AM

There's at least 3-4 better players that can run a pick and roll better than Kawhi right now, so why have him run it? ...His passing and understanding of the game has to improve a lot.

Because we need to develop him? Why he can't do that with safe/huge margin for error in easy wins instead of play only 20 minutes those games.

Because 2 of those players who used to be better than him running the pick are playing bad?

However, he has improved a lot his playmaker skills, he's passing the ball really welll this season, maybe better than some of those guys.

wildchild

02-09-2015, 02:21 AM

He's not the present and the future, he's not and he won't be the best player on this team? Better lets his game talk for him.

After last game..
http://i.imgur.com/k32nN4Yl.jpg

A few games ago...
http://i.imgur.com/6lrG6r3l.jpg

And after those good 6 games, he scored 19.25 points in the last four games.

Damn...he's playing bad?

apalisoc_9

02-09-2015, 02:23 AM

Leonard is the best player in the team and I don't know why that so hard to accept..

Duncan has been awful defensively in the last 20 games..Are people watching games?

How is possible for a player leads the team in scoring and is the best defender to not be the best player in the team?

wildchild

02-09-2015, 02:32 AM

Leonard is the best player in the team and I don't know why that so hard to accept...Are people watching games?

Well, you know...they're trolling Kawhi just because they can't talk about the bad performances of another guys on the team...

They keep hot this thread to hide that, just like Pop did last WCF and Finals when he sat Tony, to hide him.

ElNono

02-09-2015, 03:37 AM

Because we need to develop him? Why he can't do that with safe/huge margin for error in easy wins instead of play only 20 minutes those games.

Because 2 of those players who used to be better than him running the pick are playing bad?

However, he has improved a lot his playmaker skills, he's passing the ball really welll this season, maybe better than some of those guys.

He is being developed. He's got a couple of plays called for him last season (alley-oop play, designated shooter on some Hammer sets). This season the post ups. It's a process where he has the luxury not to have to shoulder all the responsibility and can take baby steps without getting out of his comfort zone. The Spurs also run a lot of highly choreographed motion, and that's a equal opportunity offense, where he can get some more points up on the board.

I disagree about playmaking. While he has improved, he's still fairly raw, and the Spurs need to facilitate a lot to him until he figure where the lines are on dribble penetration, etc. But that's not uncommon. There's very few players that are naturals when it comes to court vision, shooting, above average passing and understanding of the game (I'm talking each individual skill, not all of them together) at his age. He's clearly not a natural offensive guy, but he's learning.

cd021

02-09-2015, 05:51 AM

The contract structure could be as important as the amount. KL might not want to take a chance at 5 years of missing the playoffs with a small market team if he can go to LA or some larger market where he can showcase his talent and guarantee him more money down the road. So if a team offers him a PTO after 2, it might go a long way.

I think the Spurs are still the best option over a team like the Lakers, Knicks or 76ers. The Clippers and Warriors are obviously capped out and the Nets are train wreck doused in lighter fluid. So those 3 are really the only big market teams with cap space next season.

The Spurs are closer to being a playoff team even without Duncan and Ginobili than any of those 3 teams with Kawhi. He could make more money if he becomes a star in a bigger market with off the court endorsements but [i would assume] it would be hard for him to leave $90 million guaranteed on the table, especially with his recent history of getting injured fairly frequently.

Brazil

02-09-2015, 06:34 AM

Why is it that this thread gets to stay but the mods will delete any thread that offends the Enriquesuckers?

not sure why a Clipper fan is that interested by the Spurs tbh...

:lmao

buffon

Brazil

02-09-2015, 06:36 AM

Heck, reality is that Tim was never "the" leader. It was DROB and then it transitioned to ginobili.

dat take tho

I'd be curious to read your arguments on this one :lol

Brazil

02-09-2015, 06:40 AM

Not sure what this thread is about...

It's quite random but at the end

Kawhi is Spurs best player and it's not even close
He is getting a max extension
This team is Tim's team untill he retires

what else ?

Killakobe81

02-09-2015, 09:45 AM

Lebron, AD, and KD are the only superstars in the league...

Westbrook has superstar talent as well...

The others are all just star players...

I have been saying this since the start of last year. Harden, Griffin, Paul and few others are high level all-stars but true franchise superstars are the guys you named.

hater

02-09-2015, 09:52 AM

there are about 4 tiers of top players at the moment:

TIER 1: Lebron, KD, AD

TIER 2: Curry, Gasol Jr, Harden

TIER 3: Lowry, Wall, Rose, ZBo, Lillard, Aldridge, Ellis, C3P0, Kyrie, Chimp

TIER 4: Horford, Teague, Gasol Sr, Love, Thompson, Conley, Dirk, Griffiths, , Duncan, Kawhi

Hope is that Kawhi will be in Tier 3 by year's end but not the case at the moment.

not to mention hope is that MVParker will recover form his injuries to be back to at least tier 3 as well.

$pursDynasty

02-09-2015, 11:35 AM

spurraider21

02-09-2015, 12:40 PM

:lmao Rose

DMC

02-09-2015, 12:48 PM

I just tell it how I see it. Sorry the truth hurts.
When you're cross-eyed and retarded, how you see it doesn't match reality.

DMC

02-09-2015, 12:50 PM

I think the Spurs are still the best option over a team like the Lakers, Knicks or 76ers. The Clippers and Warriors are obviously capped out and the Nets are train wreck doused in lighter fluid. So those 3 are really the only big market teams with cap space next season.

The Spurs are closer to being a playoff team even without Duncan and Ginobili than any of those 3 teams with Kawhi. He could make more money if he becomes a star in a bigger market with off the court endorsements but [i would assume] it would be hard for him to leave $90 million guaranteed on the table, especially with his recent history of getting injured fairly frequently.
It's hard to know his best option when you don't know his goals.

dabom

02-09-2015, 01:19 PM

It's hard to know his best option when you don't know his goals.

So he's going to the lakers then? Cool thnxs. :lol

hater

02-09-2015, 01:29 PM

I would put LAldridge on tier 2 as well and above Gasol Jr, I don't think Love is even tier 4, and MVParker is tier 4 (this year) but the jury is still out on if he can still ascend higher than that.

manigah.jsp

DMC

02-11-2015, 09:07 PM

Not going to win without KL doing better tbh

spurraider21

02-11-2015, 09:12 PM

he needs to be more patient and become part of the offense. instead, when he gets the ball, he immediately looks to post/iso

much better when he gets the ball on the move and drives to the rim

DMC

02-11-2015, 10:41 PM

wildchild

02-11-2015, 10:58 PM

he needs to be more patient and become part of the offense. instead, when he gets the ball, he immediately looks to post/iso

much better when he gets the ball on the move and drives to the rim

He knows he's a nightmare when driving to the rim, Pop knows he's good, too. They don't need to improve that area of his game.
But the team need to develop his post game because we don't have another guard/wing who can do it and Kawhi playing in the post last playoffs was a favorable matchup, a nice offensive option.

This season he's working to improve his moves and needs the reps even if they look ugly.

However, it's funny to watch, but the last two games he didn't score from post up plays but he's still getting the double team like tonight. Not bad at all.

DMC

02-11-2015, 10:59 PM

He knows he's a nightmare when driving to the rim, Pop knows he's good, too. They don't need to improve that area of his game.
But the team need to develop his post game because we don't have another guard/wing to can do it and Kawhi playing in the post last playoffs was a favorable mismatch, a nice offensive option.

This season he's working to improve his moves and needs the reps even if they look ugly.

However, it's funny to watch, but the last two games he didn't score from post up plays but he's still getting the double team like tonight. Not bad at all.
No, he's the best post player in the game. He's already a superstar, people just don't realize it.

wildchild

02-11-2015, 11:10 PM

No, he's the best post player in the game. He's already a superstar, people just don't realize it.

We all know that, but Pop tried to hide the gem until the summer. Now after two bad shooting games the Spurs are going to trade him. In order to get the attention of many teams in the league, better let the world to know his star caliber Pop!

Clipper Nation

02-12-2015, 12:44 AM

not sure why a Clipper fan is that interested by the Spurs tbh...

:lmao

buffon
I'm a big fan of Kawhi and Duncan and I watch the Spurs more than any other Western team besides the Clippers, tbh. :toast

Brazil

02-12-2015, 06:44 AM

I'm a big fan of Kawhi and Duncan and I watch the Spurs more than any other Western team besides the Clippers, tbh. :toast

yup nothing to do with the fact you are a spur fan troll... my bad :bobo

hater

02-12-2015, 10:59 AM

I'm a big fan of Kawhi and Duncan and I watch the Spurs more than any other Western team besides the Clippers, tbh. :toast

fuck yo OKC and Clips troll

Leetonidas

02-12-2015, 11:36 AM

not sure why a Clipper fan is that interested by the Spurs tbh...

:lmao

buffon

When your team has two of the biggest faggots in the NBA on it (Tom Rivers and Choke Paul) it's no surprise you'd wanna watch a team like SA tbh. I think CN would agree

Chinook

02-12-2015, 11:58 AM

Wings posting up is going to be a pretty terrible form of offense unless the Spurs get bigs who can really space the floor. It should be used in cases of mismatch only. It's one thing for Leonard for refuse to pass in the post (he's not terrible at this, actually, but he's not yet a consistent playmaker); it's another for him to bring the ball up the court and dribble into the post. That type of ball-hogging would make Anthony blush.

I simply don't think Kawhi being a top option is going to be conducive the team's offensive success. Very few teams are post-heavy now, and that's really the only offensive skill in which Kawhi is elite. He'd fit in best as a garbage man like he was his first two years, only now he can shoot better.

DMC

05-14-2015, 02:08 AM

Oh yeah Kawhi was a beast. What was I thinking.

wildchild

05-14-2015, 08:15 AM

Oh yeah Kawhi was a beast.

Agreed. He was a beast and improved many areas of his game this year. Amazing performance playing through injury-plagued season :tu.

TheGreatYacht

05-14-2015, 12:39 PM

Lol

TheGreatYacht

05-14-2015, 06:39 PM

Matt Barnes lmao

DMC

06-18-2018, 12:48 PM