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N0 LyF3 ScRuB
02-01-2015, 04:15 PM
Which offense is the more explosive offense in GS history?

For those that are unfamiliar with Run TMC:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqzWUxtukbA


Mullin joined the Warriors in 1985, Richmond was drafted by Golden State in 1988, and Hardaway was a rookie in 1989.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_TMC#cite_note-cooper-2)They were the core of the Warriors' uptempo offense, known as "Nellie Ball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nellie_Ball)" after their coach Don Nelson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Nelson).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_TMC#cite_note-nationalpost-3)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_TMC#cite_note-4) Nelson was a Warriors vice president in 1987–88 before becoming their coach and general manager starting in 1988–89.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_TMC#cite_note-osborne-5)The Warriors led the NBA in scoring in 1989–90 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989%E2%80%9390_Golden_State_Warriors_season) in Run TMC's first season. Early on, Hardaway was not as proficient a scorer as Mullin and Richmond. In a win over the Boston Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989%E2%80%9390_Boston_Celtics_season) in the 38th game of the season, all three players surpassed 20 points in the same game for the first time. In their two seasons together, they accomplished the feat 48 times, going 30-18 in those games.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_TMC#cite_note-cooper-2)
The Warriors sold out every home game in 1990–91 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990%E2%80%9391_Golden_State_Warriors_season). In the season opener, they defeated the Denver Nuggets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990%E2%80%9391_Denver_Nuggets_season) 162–158, thehighest-scoring regulation game in NBA history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_scoring_NBA_games). Despite their scoring prowess, the Warriors were limited defensively. On February 26, 1991, they lost 131–119 to the Orlando Magic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990%E2%80%9391_Orlando_Magic_season) despite the threesome each scoring more than 30 points (the rest of the team totaled 21 points).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_TMC#cite_note-hoffman-6) Golden State finished the season 44–38, their best record in nine years, and finished second in the league in scoring (116.6). Mullin finishing eighth in scoring (25.7), Richmond 10th (23.9), and Hardaway 11th (22.9), averaging 72.5 points as the league's highest-scoring trio.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_TMC#cite_note-cooper-2)[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_TMC#cite_note-spears-7) Their combined scoring average was the second highest in NBA history for a 20-point trio, surpassed only by the 76.7 by Denver's Alex English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_English) (28.4), Kiki Vandeweghe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiki_Vandeweghe) (26.7), and Dan Issel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Issel)(21.6) in 1982–83 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982%E2%80%9383_Denver_Nuggets_season).[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_TMC#cite_note-8) The Warriors advanced to the playoffs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_NBA_Playoffs), upsetting the David Robinson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Robinson_(basketball)) and the San Antonio Spurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990%E2%80%9391_San_Antonio_Spurs_season) before losing to the Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990%E2%80%9391_Los_Angeles_Lakers_season).[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_TMC#cite_note-hoffman-6)
On November 1, 1991, Run TMC was broken up when Golden State traded Richmond and Les Jepsen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Jepsen) to the Sacramento Kings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento_Kings) for 6-foot-9-inch (2.06 m) rookie Billy Owens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Owens), whose additional height compared to Richmond was the size that Nelson believed would complete the team.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_TMC#cite_note-cooper-2)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_TMC#cite_note-hoffman-6)[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_TMC#cite_note-9) Nelson said he "was under pressure to get [the team] bigger" to improve the Warriors from a good team to a great one.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_TMC#cite_note-osborne-5) In the trio's two seasons together, the Warriors had a cumulative record of 81–83, never finished higher than fourth place in the Pacific Division (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Division_(NBA)), and won one of two playoff series.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_TMC#cite_note-cooper-2) "I’d never make that trade again," Nelson lamented.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_TMC#cite_note-osborne-5)

lefty
02-01-2015, 09:06 PM
Run TMC would cstomp those phaggots :lol

baseline bum
02-01-2015, 10:23 PM
Is this serious? This year's Warriors would mop the floor with Run TMC.

N0 LyF3 ScRuB
02-01-2015, 10:26 PM
Is this serious? This year's Warriors would mop the floor with Run TMC.
That's not the question

lefty
02-01-2015, 10:47 PM
Is this serious? This year's Warriors would mop the floor with Run TMC.
Don Nelson, Prime Tim Prime Mullin and The Rock



:lol good luck Steve Kerr

MullinFan
02-01-2015, 11:58 PM
Understanding that in the 90's the N.B.A. was a different brand of basketball. Today's modern day "Warriors" would not stand a chance with the physicality of "Classic 90's Warriors". Anybody who watched 90-91 Warriors and compared them to today's version would have a no-brainer choice...

spurraider21
02-02-2015, 05:33 AM
Run TMC would cstomp those phaggots :lol


Is this serious? This year's Warriors would mop the floor with Run TMC.
quite the consensus

Seventyniner
02-02-2015, 11:34 AM
So what's the question here? Which offense was better? Or which one is/was farther above league average given the eras in which they played?

ambchang
02-02-2015, 12:13 PM
Sarunas Marciulionus was also on that run TMC team, and he was pretty much the first guy with the Eurostep who made it to the NBA.

The TMC team was extremely fun to watch, with Hardaway and his killer crossover, the Rock with his way bullying guys with his combination of quickness and strength, then Mullin running non-stop all game to tire out his defender, then launch these crazy three pointers.

This iteration of the GSW are much more balanced, passes the ball much better, but only really have one or two creators on the team as opposed to having four high quality creators on that TMC team.

If just offense alone, the Run TMC team was better as compared to their era, and is likely the "better" offensive team. Mullin matches up with Thompson, Hardaway matches up with Curry, but there really isn't any answers for the Rock or Maciulionis.

However, that TMC team was absolutely HORRIBLE on defense, so in terms of playing a game, the current GSW team will mop the floor with the TMC team.