MJ Not only punched Kerr but also ...

[Killakobe81]

I don't normally care about this stuff, still don't tbh. I just find it interesting that Jordan did a bunch of stuff that today's stars could not get away with. IF Lebron had punched Birdman, Bosh and Chalmers because of a hard screen in practice we would talk about how mentally fragile he is. Jordan will still get praised as the "ultimate competitor". Funny how media perceptions of players shape the narrative. That is why I ignore most of their bullshit. To read the story click below. Horace apparently has gotten over his MJ butthurt reminiscing on the glory days ...

Michael Jordan was legend for going after teammates in practice — not just talking trash and playing hard, I mean physically go after them and throw punches. Steve Kerr got it once. Jud Buechler another.

“Our practices were so intense because Phil, the mastermind behind everything, would put MJ on the second team, me and Scottie would be on the first team, and being competitive like he was, man. Unreal, unreal. Of course punches got thrown, many fights. I’m just so happy that social media wasn’t (around) back then.”

“.. Typical Phil (Jackson) we run this play and Will set an illegal pick on MJ, and MJ said,’Will, don’t do that again.’ ‘Whatcha talking about’ that’s Will. MJ says alright; Phil says run it again. So naturally we run it two more times, illegal pick. MJ walks up to Will — boom. Lit him up. It was over; we grabbed Will — you’re not going to hurt MJ ...”


Thoughts?

Story (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/03/horace-grant-tells-about-the-time-michael-jordan-punched-will-perdue/)

again I dont condone fighting a team-mate, but I get it. I also dont think it makes him a bad leader or person (though he might be). Just saying that even without Twitter etc. how much MJ got away with that many would crucify other stars for. Still the GOAT but interesting stuff.

[hater]

LOL this happens everyday in the parks of our metropoly

it's just that today treehuggers took over and a player punching another would be immediatelly called animal cruelty and abuse of women at the same time. america is soft these days

[spursparker9]

:lol

Kerr, Will and others probably didn't punch back because they can't afford to lose MJ as a basketball player

[100%duncan]

But when dat nigga tyson confronted him for dicking his chick :lol

[cantthinkofanything]

Lebron would never hit anyone. He'd bow up and make a production out of it. Then the coaches would step in and order the guy not to screen again.

[hater]

Lebron would never hit anyone. He'd bow up and make a production out of it. Then the coaches would step in and order the guy not to screen again.

don't forget he'd confiscate any video evidence of it. Not him, but he'd have Nike do it for him

america is soft these days

[weebo]

I don't normally care about this stuff, still don't tbh. I just find it interesting that Jordan did a bunch of stuff that today's stars could not get away with. IF Lebron had punched Birdman, Bosh and Chalmers because of a hard screen in practice we would talk about how mentally fragile he is. Jordan will still get praised as the "ultimate competitor". Funny how media perceptions of players shape the narrative. That is why I ignore most of their bullshit. To read the story click below. Horace apparently has gotten over his MJ butthurt reminiscing on the glory days ...

Michael Jordan was legend for going after teammates in practice — not just talking trash and playing hard, I mean physically go after them and throw punches. Steve Kerr got it once. Jud Buechler another.

“Our practices were so intense because Phil, the mastermind behind everything, would put MJ on the second team, me and Scottie would be on the first team, and being competitive like he was, man. Unreal, unreal. Of course punches got thrown, many fights. I’m just so happy that social media wasn’t (around) back then.”

“.. Typical Phil (Jackson) we run this play and Will set an illegal pick on MJ, and MJ said,’Will, don’t do that again.’ ‘Whatcha talking about’ that’s Will. MJ says alright; Phil says run it again. So naturally we run it two more times, illegal pick. MJ walks up to Will — boom. Lit him up. It was over; we grabbed Will — you’re not going to hurt MJ ...”


Thoughts?

Story (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/03/horace-grant-tells-about-the-time-michael-jordan-punched-will-perdue/)

again I dont condone fighting a team-mate, but I get it. I also dont think it makes him a bad leader or person (though he might be). Just saying that even without Twitter etc. how much MJ got away with that many would crucify other stars for. Still the GOAT but interesting stuff.

I wondered if he ever tried that shit with Rodman.

[Killakobe81]

LOL this happens everyday in the parks of our metropoly

it's just that today treehuggers took over and a player punching another would be immediatelly called animal cruelty and abuse of women at the same time. america is soft these days

Of course it does happened on my HS steam. I just find the media portrayal of MJ to be interesting. What if Cousins did that? the Jailblazers had Karl's Sonics had plenty of issues similar that went public and those players were pariahs MJ is lauded for it because he won and he played the media like a fiddle. Dude is a genius sociopath tbh ... might be the smartest player ever. Maybe Magic and Lebron had higher hoops IQ and others more business sense but when you add marketing, legacy, using team-mates etc. Jordan is pure genius.

[hater]

Of course it does happened on my HS steam. I just find the media portrayal of MJ to be interesting. What if Cousins did that? the Jailblazers had Karl's Sonics had plenty of issues similar that went public and those players were pariahs MJ is lauded for it because he won and he played the media like a fiddle. Dude is a genius sociopath tbh ... might be the smartest player ever. Maybe Magic and Lebron had higher hoops IQ and others more business sense but when you add marketing, legacy, using team-mates etc. Jordan is pure genius.

again. America is soft these days as compared to yesteryear. You can't compare the same incident in both timeframes, it's not fair.

Plus with the interwebs, twezer and all the social(gay) media, you can't really compare tbh.

I mean when Tyler Perry farts in the NFL halftime, you get a million tweets about it. fucking gay

[DMC]

I don't normally care about this stuff, still don't tbh. I just find it interesting that Jordan did a bunch of stuff that today's stars could not get away with. IF Lebron had punched Birdman, Bosh and Chalmers because of a hard screen in practice we would talk about how mentally fragile he is. Jordan will still get praised as the "ultimate competitor". Funny how media perceptions of players shape the narrative. That is why I ignore most of their bullshit. To read the story click below. Horace apparently has gotten over his MJ butthurt reminiscing on the glory days ...

Michael Jordan was legend for going after teammates in practice — not just talking trash and playing hard, I mean physically go after them and throw punches. Steve Kerr got it once. Jud Buechler another.

“Our practices were so intense because Phil, the mastermind behind everything, would put MJ on the second team, me and Scottie would be on the first team, and being competitive like he was, man. Unreal, unreal. Of course punches got thrown, many fights. I’m just so happy that social media wasn’t (around) back then.”

“.. Typical Phil (Jackson) we run this play and Will set an illegal pick on MJ, and MJ said,’Will, don’t do that again.’ ‘Whatcha talking about’ that’s Will. MJ says alright; Phil says run it again. So naturally we run it two more times, illegal pick. MJ walks up to Will — boom. Lit him up. It was over; we grabbed Will — you’re not going to hurt MJ ...”


Thoughts?

Story (http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/03/horace-grant-tells-about-the-time-michael-jordan-punched-will-perdue/)

again I dont condone fighting a team-mate, but I get it. I also dont think it makes him a bad leader or person (though he might be). Just saying that even without Twitter etc. how much MJ got away with that many would crucify other stars for. Still the GOAT but interesting stuff.

And the crusade to elevate Kobe continues... Up next, Jesus was a faggot.

[Killakobe81]

again. America is soft these days as compared to yesteryear. You can't compare the same incident in both timeframes, it's not fair.

Plus with the interwebs, twezer and all the social(gay) media, you can't really compare tbh.

I mean when Tyler Perry farts in the NFL halftime, you get a million tweets about it. fucking gay

Makes some sense. But let's say Moses Malone or Kareem did that would they have gotten the pass MJ did? What about Nique? I get your point but I think very few athletes get away with what Jordan did with persona and image relatively clean.

[hater]

Makes some sense. But let's say Moses Malone or Kareem did that would they have gotten the pass MJ did? What about Nique? I get your point but I think very few athletes get away with what Jordan did with persona and image relatively clean.

huh? Latrell choked a coach and he went on to have a long fruitful career

punches are thrown in practice ALL THE TIME. Kenyon Martin dropped Nene when he first joined the Nuggets. Nobody made a fuss about it. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME

come on now

[Killakobe81]

And the crusade to elevate Kobe continues... Up next, Jesus was a faggot.

Elevate rotator cuff? What does he have to do with this? He is not as good as MJ we all know this.. I purposefully left him out of this so we wouldnt get bogged down in that but of course someone else brings him up ... Kobe has done plenty publicly to hurt his image and it's already scarred so I dont think he really applies to this convo. Reporting Mj punched team-mates does little to "elevate" Kobe because most already consider him a shitty team-mate. If anything it helps Magic, Lebron, Duncan. Who do not have that rep.

[Killakobe81]

huh? Latrell choked a coach and he went on to have a long fruitful career

punches are thrown in practice ALL THE TIME. Kenyon Martin dropped Nene when he first joined the Nuggets. Nobody made a fuss about it. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME

come on now

Sprewell and Martin DO NOT have clean personas though ... or do you not get the point?

[hater]

Sprewell and Martin DO NOT have clean personas though ... or do you not get the point?

huh? who said MJ has a clean persona? Gambler, used to fuck pornstars around his wife, connections to the mob, bad teamate. Those are all facts. What clean persona you talking about?

still doesn't make MJ worse than the average NBA nig. and still doesn't make MJ not the GOAT

[Killakobe81]

huh? who said MJ has a clean persona? Gambler, used to fuck pornstars around his wife, connections to the mob, bad teamate. Those are all facts. What clean persona you talking about?

still doesn't make MJ worse than the average NBA nig. and still doesn't make MJ not the GOAT

I already said he was the GOAT. I said relatively clean. MJ's gambling was swept under the rug by most of the media ...mostly only his haters even bring that up. and that except him gambling for hours the night before big games has nothing to do with basketball. My point was that MJ gets credit as a good leader and heck it worked he won ... but if Nique had done teh same exact thing it would of been part of the Nique is selfish not a winner lore. That was my point. My second point was that since some people already try to argue Lebron is mentally weak if he had done the same his haters would spin that as a sign of weakness when for MJ everyone consider it a sign of toughness. I am not saying either side is wrong just that it is interesting the way media spins influences the common sheep fans of the NBA or how it feeds in to the story you already want to see.

[Killakobe81]

huh? who said MJ has a clean persona? Gambler, used to fuck pornstars around his wife, connections to the mob, bad teamate. Those are all facts. What clean persona you talking about?

still doesn't make MJ worse than the average NBA nig. and still doesn't make MJ not the GOAT

You know that. the common NBa fan does not ...and again most of that is non basketball related. Punching team-mates is basketball related.

[hater]

the common NBA fan doesn't know jackshit. why you wasting your time on what the common NBA fan thinks? LOL

[100%duncan]

You shouldn't be fighting with your teammates tbh. Just saying.

[UZER]

Jordan was protected and he knew it, that's why he got away with throwing punches. His teammates never let the other guy retaliate.

A little guy, sure, but not someone bigger who could really damage MJ.

[Killakobe81]

the common NBA fan doesn't know jackshit. why you wasting your time on what the common NBA fan thinks? LOL

Like I said it is just interesting. If lets say you Swap Brady for Jordan and say Marino for Lebron in my original post. Brady would get excused even with social media as the fiery leader. Marino would get lambasted as poor leader adding ammunition to his detractors. Brady gets another example even if a poor one of his competitive spirit.

TBH, to go back at DMC for a second I guess I see why some of yall hate rotator cuff. Because he has won some examples of poor behavior gets justified as he wants to win more than anyone etc. when if another guy did it they may gets more criticism. But agin it's not about him so please dont bog it down with that ... but I get it.

[ambchang]

Jordan was, is and always will be a mentally unstable individual who continuously have to prove that he is the best at everything he does.

The way he treated his high school coach, to the way he treated Barkley and Oakley shows that he is a bully who only pick on people he thought he could pick on.

Kerr punched back btw, Jordan never pulled that on him again.

Cartwright threatened to take both his legs out , Jordan never insulted Cartwright publicly again.

Grant couldn't take it and left for Orlando.
Hopson never achieved his potential playing with Jordan and Pippen.
Kukoc ignored him and continued to be chastised while he was a Bull.

It was a toxic environment, and you know what? It was encouraged by the "Zen" master, who preferred a chaotic environment where he would come in as a good guy so that players would listen to him. It disingenuous, and it only can last so long before players are being marginalized and the team breaks apart.

[Killakobe81]

Jordan was, is and always will be a mentally unstable individual who continuously have to prove that he is the best at everything he does.

The way he treated his high school coach, to the way he treated Barkley and Oakley shows that he is a bully who only pick on people he thought he could pick on.

Kerr punched back btw, Jordan never pulled that on him again.

Cartwright threatened to take both his legs out , Jordan never insulted Cartwright publicly again.

Grant couldn't take it and left for Orlando.
Hopson never achieved his potential playing with Jordan and Pippen.
Kukoc ignored him and continued to be chastised while he was a Bull.

It was a toxic environment, and you know what? It was encouraged by the "Zen" master, who preferred a chaotic environment where he would come in as a good guy so that players would listen to him. It disingenuous, and it only can last so long before players are being marginalized and the team breaks apart.

Great points. Shaq used to say this and I didnt buy it at first thought it was an excuse for Kobe and Shaq's ego running amok (which also happened) Phil encouraged this stuff to galvanize the team but when it fails it implodes.Still a all time great coach but not sure I would enjoy that leadership style compared to Riles or Pop.

Again I dont even care about MJ's off court stuff. And of course both MJ and PJ's methods worked. So the ends justify the means. I wouldnt trade team harmony for 6 rings ...who would?

[ambchang]

Great points. Shaq used to say this and I didnt buy it at first thought it was an excuse for Kobe and Shaq's ego running amok (which also happened) Phil encouraged this stuff to galvanize the team but when it fails it implodes.Still a all time great coach but not sure I would enjoy that leadership style compared to Riles or Pop.

Again I dont even care about MJ's off court stuff. And of course both MJ and PJ's methods worked. So the ends justify the means. I wouldnt trade team harmony for 6 rings ...who would?

It works when you have a very talented player who is willing to act as a 2nd banana (Pippen, MVPau, Kobe at first), but when things go wrong, they go really wrong (Kobe and Shaq in 04).

Honestly, people pin the 12 Lakers failure on D'antoni (and Buss Jr.), but the situation could be a LOT worse with Jackson at the helm. Imagine how Dwight will react when he gets chewed out by Kobe and Jackson marginalize Dwight any further, Dwight can't even take a girl not responding to his text, he would go into depression under Jackson's style.

[DisAsTerBot]

lol punching people you know wont punch you back. real tough

[cantthinkofanything]

I already said he was the GOAT. I said relatively clean. MJ's gambling was swept under the rug by most of the media ...mostly only his haters even bring that up. and that except him gambling for hours the night before big games has nothing to do with basketball. My point was that MJ gets credit as a good leader and heck it worked he won ... but if Nique had done teh same exact thing it would of been part of the Nique is selfish not a winner lore. That was my point. My second point was that since some people already try to argue Lebron is mentally weak if he had done the same his haters would spin that as a sign of weakness when for MJ everyone consider it a sign of toughness. I am not saying either side is wrong just that it is interesting the way media spins influences the common sheep fans of the NBA or how it feeds in to the story you already want to see.

Nothing was swept under the rug. That gambling shit was front page news. But we didn't have the social medial outlets like today. Shit was the same for everybody. In fact, I'd guess that anything Jordan did had a better chance of making it to the public than anyone else BECAUSE he was Jordan. I imagine there are hundreds of athletes, actors, politicians from pre-internet days with plenty of skeletons in the closet. Just the times.

[Killakobe81]

It works when you have a very talented player who is willing to act as a 2nd banana (Pippen, MVPau, Kobe at first), but when things go wrong, they go really wrong (Kobe and Shaq in 04).

Honestly, people pin the 12 Lakers failure on D'antoni (and Buss Jr.), but the situation could be a LOT worse with Jackson at the helm. Imagine how Dwight will react when he gets chewed out by Kobe and Jackson marginalize Dwight any further, Dwight can't even take a girl not responding to his text, he would go into depression under Jackson's style.

I agree. Plus that team was never a legit contender. I didnt think Nash was as finished as he turned out but we all knew Dwight's back was in rehab and Pau was coming off a couple lackluster seasons. Phil would not of saved us. I just expected us to do better than a 8th seed. I thought #3 at best ...#4 at worst.

As for Buss Jr. Again I blame Phil for part of it. He disrespected West (but shame on buss family for allowing it and Dr. Buss was still alive) and Jerry left Jerry Mentored Mitch and I think that disrespect has put a strain on the GM/owner relationship that has never fully healed. I get why no one was fighting for PJ to return except for Jeannie. I doubt even Kobe was fully behind a PJ return ...

[Killakobe81]

Nothing was swept under the rug. That gambling shit was front page news. But we didn't have the social medial outlets like today. Shit was the same for everybody. In fact, I'd guess that anything Jordan did had a better chance of making it to the public than anyone else BECAUSE he was Jordan. I imagine there are hundreds of athletes, actors, politicians from pre-internet days with plenty of skeletons in the closet. Just the times.

A lot of MJ's stories (negative ones) did not come out despite his massive popularity until after he retired (2nd time). the gambling stuff did happen right before the first retirement. Yes it was front page news then he retired cam back and it was swept under... because everyone wanted him back. Most of the punching stories were not uncovered until after.

Again I dont mean to vilify MJ. He is far from the only great player with a huge ego and competition issues. In fact Rotator cuff copied him good and bad and in many ways is worse than MJ cuz he won less and fought (verbal) publicly with team-mates while MJ did his stuff in private (again smart). I still think and the article says the same that I am he got away with stuff that would be harder to today. But I also think even if he played today since he won 6 he would STILL get a pass in most circles.

[ambchang]

I agree. Plus that team was never a legit contender. I didnt think Nash was as finished as he turned out but we all knew Dwight's back was in rehab and Pau was coming off a couple lackluster seasons. Phil would not of saved us. I just expected us to do better than a 8th seed. I thought #3 at least ...

As for Buss Jr. Again I blame Phil for part of it. He disrespected West (but shame on buss family for allowing it and Dr. Buss was still alive) and Jerry left Jerry Mentored Mitch and I think that disrespect has put a strain on the GM/owner relationship that has never fully healed. I get why no one was fighting for PJ to return except for Jeannie. I doubt even Kobe was fully behind a PJ return ...

That team MAY not be a contender that year, but if things fall in the right places, it could potentially be a contender in 12, and will definitely be a contender in 13 when Dwight got his groove back.

The Lakers handled the entire Dwight situation as horribly as they could. That poisonous attitude from Kobe, not communicating with Dwight to see how his body is reacting, not to mention that entire Nash fiasco.

I mean, it's clear that Dwight is as sensitive as that 14 year old girl in Virgin Suicides, so talk to him, text him constantly and assure him that he is needed and loved. It's like treating .... well, a 14 year old girl.

Jackson was a jerk, just a horrible human being who put up this "zen" demeanor without applying any principles of Zen at all. The constant ref baiting, complaints to the media, dividing the locker room, the maniac-level ego.

West is the greatest Laker of all time, not in terms of being the player, but in terms of shaping the entire franchise. He was a great player, no doubt, but he was the architect for some of the greatest run for any franchise in professional sports. People make fun of Buss Jr (and often rightfully so), but not having West beside him is a huge reason the Lakers are devolving into their current turmoil.

[Brazil]

Dwight can't even take a girl not responding to his text, he would go into depression under Jackson's style.

:lol

that's why I love ST... you find pearls like that a bit everywhere

[RsxPiimp]

Jordan was his generations KG. he only went after white guys and befriended the toughest bullies of his era (Ewing, chuck and Oakley):lol

[daslicer]

Jordan was a fake tough guy considering he sucker punched Perdue and that Perdue was held back before he could do anything. Its easy to be tough when you know you can get away with anything. I remember reading a story that involved Jordan and Robert Parish. Supposedly Jordan started talking shit to Parish during practice and Parish dismissed and waved off Jordan like he was a nobody. Jordan gets angry and says to Parish "I'm going to whoop your ass." Parish calmly responds by saying "Unlike these guys your barking at I have a couple or rings and I'm not enamored with you the way they are." After that confrontation Jordan just walks away angrily.

[cantthinkofanything]

Jordan was a fake tough guy considering he sucker punched Perdue and that Perdue was held back before he could do anything. Its easy to be tough when you know you can get away with anything. I remember reading a story that involved Jordan and Robert Parish. Supposedly Jordan started talking shit to Parish during practice and Parish dismissed and waved off Jordan like he was a nobody. Jordan gets angry and says to Parish "I'm going to whoop your ass." Parish calmly responds by saying "Unlike these guys your barking at I have a couple or rings and I'm not enamored with you the way they are." After that confrontation Jordan just walks away angrily.

here's he actual quote according to Parish:



In one of his first practices with the Bulls, Parish botched one of the plays and was amused to find Jordan jawing at him just inches from his face.

“I told him, ‘I’m not as enamored with you as these other guys. I’ve got some rings too,’ ” Parish recalled. “At that point he told me, ‘I’m going to kick your ass.’ I took one step closer and said, ‘No, you really aren’t.’ After that he didn’t bother me.”

[UZER]

I agree. Plus that team was never a legit contender. I didnt think Nash was as finished as he turned out but we all knew Dwight's back was in rehab and Pau was coming off a couple lackluster seasons. Phil would not of saved us. I just expected us to do better than a 8th seed. I thought #3 at best ...#4 at worst.

As for Buss Jr. Again I blame Phil for part of it. He disrespected West (but shame on buss family for allowing it and Dr. Buss was still alive) and Jerry left Jerry Mentored Mitch and I think that disrespect has put a strain on the GM/owner relationship that has never fully healed. I get why no one was fighting for PJ to return except for Jeannie. I doubt even Kobe was fully behind a PJ return ...

Phil pulled the rope a dope with that one. Wanted no part of that job, said enough to be interpreted as interested, then acted "severely disappointed" when he wasn't contacted.

He tried the same thing with melo, but melo took the money :lol

Mayweather has taken need from Phil.

[hitmanyr2k]

Jordan was, is and always will be a mentally unstable individual who continuously have to prove that he is the best at everything he does.

The way he treated his high school coach, to the way he treated Barkley and Oakley shows that he is a bully who only pick on people he thought he could pick on.

Kerr punched back btw, Jordan never pulled that on him again.

Cartwright threatened to take both his legs out , Jordan never insulted Cartwright publicly again.

Grant couldn't take it and left for Orlando.
Hopson never achieved his potential playing with Jordan and Pippen.
Kukoc ignored him and continued to be chastised while he was a Bull.

It was a toxic environment, and you know what? It was encouraged by the "Zen" master, who preferred a chaotic environment where he would come in as a good guy so that players would listen to him. It disingenuous, and it only can last so long before players are being marginalized and the team breaks apart.

I agree with most of our points but the parts in bold didn't have shit to do with Jordan. Horace Grant left the Bulls while Jordan was whiffing at curveballs and he did so because Chicago's management was cheap and low-balled him, in particular Jerry Krause who was a cancer to the team and coaching staff. When Horace missed games during the '94 season he was actually publicly accused by Reinsdorf of faking injury and illness. Later that season the last straw for Grant was when Krause decided to stupidly name PFs he considered better than Horace in an attempt to marginalize his worth. Like Reinsdorf, Krause stated this publicly right before the playoffs started and Grant had enough. They practically pushed Horace out the door and told him not to look back. This is the main reason Grant came back the very next year with the Magic and murdered the Bulls in the '95 playoffs. The Magic players lifting Horace on their shoulders when they eliminated the Bulls was planned as a big fuck you to Jerry Krause and Reinsdorf.

Hopson never achieved his potential playing with Jordan and Pippen because Scottie was just beginning his all-star rise when Hopson was traded to Chicago and to be honest Hopson just wasn't that good lol. Kukoc was Phil's whipping boy long before Jordan came back as well, mainly because of his refusal to fight in the paint and his defense was sub-par.

[DMC]

Elevate rotator cuff? What does he have to do with this? He is not as good as MJ we all know this.. I purposefully left him out of this so we wouldnt get bogged down in that but of course someone else brings him up ... Kobe has done plenty publicly to hurt his image and it's already scarred so I dont think he really applies to this convo. Reporting Mj punched team-mates does little to "elevate" Kobe because most already consider him a shitty team-mate. If anything it helps Magic, Lebron, Duncan. Who do not have that rep.

Kobe is one RCH from being done, and after that the MJ comparison LOLs will come collapsing down upon Laker fanbase. In your heart of hearts you know you have to do what you can to diminish MJ's contributions, and you've had over 10 years to get started, odd timing tbh.

[Sean Cagney]

I wondered if he ever tried that shit with Rodman.

I seriously doubt it. I also know him and Oakley were good friends so he would not try it with him either but if they were not no way he pulls that crap.

[lefty]

Cartwright and Chief scared the ish out of Jordan

Glen Rice too, in 1997, went nose to nose with MJ, and Mike looked scared :lol

[daslicer]

Cartwright and Chief scared the ish out of Jordan

Glen Rice too, in 1997, went nose to nose with MJ, and Mike looked scared :lol

Are you referring to the '98 playoffs when talking about Glen Rice? I remember MJ and him got into it in game 5 of hornets-bulls series.

[daslicer]

Found the Rice-MJ clip. The confrontation happens at 1:32

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[UZER]

Found the Rice-MJ clip. The confrontation happens at 1:32

NHbGIQXx20U#t=94

Remember a series ending on a Jordan foul on I think Hersey Hawkins layup attempt. Jordan grabbed his wrist and stopped the layup motion right in front of the official...no call. :lol

This when refs were afraid to call fouls on him.

[daslicer]

Remember a series ending on a Jordan foul on I think Hersey Hawkins layup attempt. Jordan grabbed his wrist and stopped the layup motion right in front of the official...no call. :lol

This when refs were afraid to call fouls on him.

Yup I remember the game it was in. Bulls vs Hornets game 4 in '95. It happens at 4:49

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[lefty]

Found the Rice-MJ clip. The confrontation happens at 1:32

NHbGIQXx20U#t=94

Ah you were right its in 98

[Killakobe81]

Kobe is one RCH from being done, and after that the MJ comparison LOLs will come collapsing down upon Laker fanbase. In your heart of hearts you know you have to do what you can to diminish MJ's contributions, and you've had over 10 years to get started, odd timing tbh.

What a fucken reach ...nothing I post here could diminish MJ you give me much to much power or at least credit me with more ego than I have. I at one time despised Jordan but it had nothing to do with Kobe it was because he eclipsed Magic my all time favorite Laker. but I was a kid then. Knocking down a player to raise one is childish. MJ being greater than Magic doesnt take away from what Magic did same with Kobe or Lebron. they are great. MJ is greater. When MJ came back I couldn't still root for him but I respected him because no one could fill the void he left in the game. but i had matured then.

Kobe has already established his legacy good and bad you really need to let go of this shit, tbh. In this thread you the only asshole looking for deeper meaning. Yes Amb, of course took a shot at Kobe but he can't help himself. if you need to get it off your chest ...post about him in another thread but what I posted originally has nada to do with rotator cuff ... but you can believe whatever you want.

[poeticism707]

Of course it does happened on my HS steam. I just find the media portrayal of MJ to be interesting. What if Cousins did that? the Jailblazers had Karl's Sonics had plenty of issues similar that went public and those players were pariahs MJ is lauded for it because he won and he played the media like a fiddle. Dude is a genius sociopath tbh ... might be the smartest player ever. Maybe Magic and Lebron had higher hoops IQ and others more business sense but when you add marketing, legacy, using team-mates etc. Jordan is pure genius.


Totally agree.

I've said it a thousand times: if the internet/social media was around during Jordan's tenure, he would be hated and vilified, and he would deserve it.

Also, said a thousand times, Jordan is a million times worse than Kobe.

I wouldn't leave "MJ" alone with my dogs, not to mention relatives/children.

[ambchang]

I agree with most of our points but the parts in bold didn't have shit to do with Jordan. Horace Grant left the Bulls while Jordan was whiffing at curveballs and he did so because Chicago's management was cheap and low-balled him, in particular Jerry Krause who was a cancer to the team and coaching staff. When Horace missed games during the '94 season he was actually publicly accused by Reinsdorf of faking injury and illness. Later that season the last straw for Grant was when Krause decided to stupidly name PFs he considered better than Horace in an attempt to marginalize his worth. Like Reinsdorf, Krause stated this publicly right before the playoffs started and Grant had enough. They practically pushed Horace out the door and told him not to look back. This is the main reason Grant came back the very next year with the Magic and murdered the Bulls in the '95 playoffs. The Magic players lifting Horace on their shoulders when they eliminated the Bulls was planned as a big fuck you to Jerry Krause and Reinsdorf.

Hopson never achieved his potential playing with Jordan and Pippen because Scottie was just beginning his all-star rise when Hopson was traded to Chicago and to be honest Hopson just wasn't that good lol. Kukoc was Phil's whipping boy long before Jordan came back as well, mainly because of his refusal to fight in the paint and his defense was sub-par.

Oh, Krause definitely had a huge hand in Grant leaving the Bulls, no doubt about it. I would say it was the primary reason as well. That said, Grant always felt like he was being treated as that red-headed stepchild. He was bullied in practice and nobody stood up to him, management refused to extend his contract, low-balled him, didn't treat him with respect, and that ultimately led to him exiting. I am not saying Grant left strictly because of Jordan, but the way Jordan treated him was consistent with how he felt he was disrespected by the organization as a whole.

As for Hopson, he was decent with the Nets and Kings, low efficiency high volume shooter. He could have been a better fit in the late 90s early 00s (ironically when the league started putting in all these perimeter friendly moves because they want to create the next Jordan). He was athletic, had these long arms, but yeah, he was dumb as a rock, make poor decisions, and was mentally weak. That said, Pippen and Jordan incessantly bullied him all year, rumours had it because he plays the same position, and the two just thought he's not worthy because he suck.

As for Kukoc, Pippen and Jordan HATED him because of management, mostly Krause. Krause was going over the top about how great he is and was trying to sign him over on the Bulls, despite the fact that there is quite a bit of overlap in what he and Pippen/Jordan does. If I remember correctly, Jordan and Pippen made a point in Barcelona to show him up, and set out to publicly embarrass him in the Olympics. To make matters worse, Krause gave Kukoc a big deal at the expense of Pippen or something like that. It was just bad.

Again, lots of these issues came down from Krause, but Jordan certainly made it a lot worse.

[da_suns_fan]

MJ was super competitive but his teammates still liked him off the court.

Steve Kerr jokes about the incident to this day ("my face got in the way of his fist").

I wonder is Smush Parker thinks as fondly about Kobe Bryant.

[da_suns_fan]

Totally agree.

I've said it a thousand times: if the internet/social media was around during Jordan's tenure, he would be hated and vilified, and he would deserve it.

Also, said a thousand times, Jordan is a million times worse than Kobe.

I wouldn't leave "MJ" alone with my dogs, not to mention relatives/children.

Umm...no.

Did Jordan ever throw a teammate under the bus to police? Did Jordan claim crappy teammates cost him additional MVPs? Did Kobe have friendships with superstars on other teams the way Jordan was friends with Magic, Barkley etc?

Jordan was ultra-competitive. Kobe is a DICK.

[lefty]

Umm...no.

Did Jordan ever throw a teammate under the bus to police? Did Jordan claim crappy teammates cost him additional MVPs? Did Kobe have friendships with superstars on other teams the way Jordan was friends with Magic, Barkley etc?

Jordan was ultra-competitive. Kobe is a DICK.
lol MJ didnt give a fuck about Barkley

[RsxPiimp]

Umm...no.

Did Jordan ever throw a teammate under the bus to police? Did Jordan claim crappy teammates cost him additional MVPs? Did Kobe have friendships with superstars on other teams the way Jordan was friends with Magic, Barkley etc?

Jordan was ultra-competitive. Kobe is a DICK.

:lmao

[RsxPiimp]

Anyway, here's Purdue's side of the story



"Well there was a lot of truth to what Horace said, but what was going on was that a couple things were happening.

First of all, the second unit was kicking the first unit's butt and Michael wasn't too happy about it. And we used to do it actually quite often in practice.

Secondly, we were the scout team running some plays of the team we were going to play the next night and Johnny Bach was the defensive coach. And what we used to do was run about five high frequency plays of our opponent. Well one of them was they were going to continue to run the screen-roll to see if Michael was going to continue to try to work his way over the screen over four quarters, because they knew the guy coming off the screen was the shooter. Michael didn't want to go under, neither did Phil (Jackson) or Johnny Bach want Michael to go under. So (the opponent is) going to want to lay some wood on (Jordan), is the terminology, try to knock him off a screen and see, will you continue to do this for four quarters?

So we kept running this play and sometimes my screens were illegal, sometimes they were not. But my job was to make sure I hit him. Well one time he said, 'If you do that again I'm going to make you pay for it.' Well Johnny Bach just stood there and said, 'Run it again.'

So we ran it again, and this time i figured if I'm going to get my money's worth...I nailed him, knocked him to the ground, kind of stood over him a little bit. He stood up, popped me and before I could get him they got us and that was the end of it. He apologized later, but he got me pretty good."
There you have it.


Purdue kinda asked for it tbh

[ambchang]

I seriously doubt it. I also know him and Oakley were good friends so he would not try it with him either but if they were not no way he pulls that crap.

Nobody tried anything with Oakley. Oakley slapped Barkley in front of everyone, and Barkley didn't have the guts to go after him. He did that to Tyrone Hill as well over a bet.

Oakley was a crazy dude, and no one in the history of the league could have possibly taken him out (five bouncers with handcuffs). I would pay to watch an Oakley Willis Reed brawl.

BTW, Jordan befriended Oakley because when they were both Bulls, Jordan saw him as his personal body guard.

Then when Oakley was with the Knicks, Jordan saw the Knicks as his primary roadblock, and befriending Oakley would help in not being hit too hard when he drove to the rim.

[ohmwrecker]

Old news. Denigrating the GOAT to prop up Achilles Rotatorcuff.

[cantthinkofanything]

Umm...no.

Did Jordan ever throw a teammate under the bus to police? Did Jordan claim crappy teammates cost him additional MVPs? Did Kobe have friendships with superstars on other teams the way Jordan was friends with Magic, Barkley etc?

Jordan was ultra-competitive. Kobe is a DICK.

You forgot the raping.

[da_suns_fan]

:lmao

Magic tells a great story of playing poker at 2 in the morning with Jordan in Barcelona (they made an animated version).

How many players have great "Kobe stories"?

[da_suns_fan]

lol MJ didnt give a fuck about Barkley

Are you saying they werent frends (and probably still would be if Barkley didnt criticize Jordan as owner).

These are two guys who vacationed together, did commercials together, did Oprah interviews together etc. Pretty sure they liked each other.

[RsxPiimp]

Magic tells a great story of playing poker at 2 in the morning with Jordan in Barcelona (they made an animated version).

How many players have great "Kobe stories"?

:lol That was for camera tbh, especially from Magic. Do you also believe every bits and pieces from Jordan's come fly with me video? :lol

[da_suns_fan]

:lol That was for camera tbh, especially from Magic. Do you also believe every bits and pieces from Jordan's come fly with me video? :lol

So youre suggesting it didnt happen? Jordan didnt play poker with his Barcelona teammates to the wee hours of the morning?

[ohmwrecker]

I guarantee you those motherfuckers were playing cards.

[da_suns_fan]

There was an interview MJ did with Oprah in 96 in which she played a secret clip of Jordan and some of his bulls teammates dancing in some cheap little music video that they made. All of them were wearing goofy 80s shades. Jordan laughed and laughed at himself.

Kobe takes himself WAY too seriously to do something like that. As Smush said, Kobe wouldnt even TALK to him when he tried to bring up football etc.

Theyre different people with different personalities. Just because Jordan lost his temper from time to time doesnt mean he was a dick the way Kobe is a dick.

[da_suns_fan]

Nice little article on Kobe's feuds with various teammates:

http://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/01/08/kobe-bryant-dwight-howard-feud-shaquille-oneal

"Who was I suppose to pass it to? Chris Mihm?!!"

Classic Kobe.

[Killakobe81]

Nice little article on Kobe's feuds with various teammates:

http://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/01/08/kobe-bryant-dwight-howard-feud-shaquille-oneal

"Who was I suppose to pass it to? Chris Mihm?!!"

Classic Kobe.

Not related to OP, but thanks. We already Know Kobe is a asshole. Why does Kobe need to be brought in to every MJ related thread? He is not as good as MJ but copied MJ ... we get it. Again thanks.

[Killakobe81]

Old news. Denigrating the GOAT to prop up Achilles Rotatorcuff.

Not my intention at all. This should have nothing to do with rotator cuff, but some of you cant help yourselves ...

[ohmwrecker]

Not my intention at all. This should have nothing to do with rotator cuff, but some of you cant help yourselves ...

Sorry, man. I'm just doing my part as a Spurs fan in the NBA forum.

MJ being an asshole is nothing new though.

[Killakobe81]

LOL but Kobe's worse!!! If that is all you have to add to this thread it adds no value so please vacate. This is also not a bash MJ thread. I was just commentating on how "teflon" Jordan's persona is even til this day and that Lebron would never get that type of "pass. "

[Killakobe81]

Sorry, man. I'm just doing my part as a Spurs fan in the NBA forum.

MJ being an asshole is nothing new though.

True, Ohm. But I just find the media narrative interesting. Which is why I hate the MVP award race. not just in the NBA but in baseball as well. At least, recently baseball has done less "story" MVP's and focused more on stats such as WAR etc. I have seen Kirk Gibson and Terry Pendleton win MVP's because of great "stories". Kobe got his MVP in a very good not truly great year (for him). Nash won two and maybe deserved one. I just think the media shapes to much of our opinions on players and teams and the stats movement should help but often times just used to further agendas like the bashing of Tony upstairs.

[ohmwrecker]

True, Ohm. But I just find the media narrative interesting. Which is why I hate the MVP award race. not just in the NBA but in baseball as well. At least, recently baseball has done less "story" MVP's and focused more on stats such as WAR etc. I have seen Kirk Gibson and Terry Pendleton win MVP's because of great "stories". Kobe got his MVP in a very good not truly great year (for him). Nash won two and maybe deserved one. I just think the media shapes to much of our opinions on players and teams and the stats movement should help but often times just used to further agendas like the bashing of Tony upstairs.

MVP awards (all awards, really) are popularity contests, dog and pony shows and money chasing propaganda. I'm not saying that sometimes the most deserving player and the agenda push don't cross paths, but that's what it is... designed the push and sell the product.

[RsxPiimp]

So youre suggesting it didnt happen? Jordan didnt play poker with his Barcelona teammates to the wee hours of the morning?

I never said they didn't :lol but for people to believe that a few guys playing cards one summer automatically made them "friends" is laughable.

[RsxPiimp]

There was an interview MJ did with Oprah in 96 in which she played a secret clip of Jordan and some of his bulls teammates dancing in some cheap little music video that they made. All of them were wearing goofy 80s shades. Jordan laughed and laughed at himself.


:lol

Look man, I love MJ as a player but you can't buy into his BS as this charismatic leader that everybody adores.The overwhelming amount of evidence which wasn't made public before are now available for us to look at. Jordan, like most great players is a insufferable douchebag. I followed his stint as both GM and player in Washington and he was pretty much hated by his staff. There was always uneasiness about Jordan's arrangement with the organization. The "Flaming Faggot" incident that pretty much destroyed Kwame Brown's confidence from day one, to his constant bereavement of the other players.

[MarioSpeedwagon]

:lol

Look man, I love MJ as a player but you can't buy into his BS as this charismatic leader that everybody adores.The overwhelming amount of evidence which wasn't made public before are now available for us to look at. Jordan, like most great players is a insufferable douchebag. I followed his stint as both GM and player in Washington and he was pretty much hated by his staff. There was always uneasiness about Jordan's arrangement with the organization. The "Flaming Faggot" incident that pretty much destroyed Kwame Brown's confidence from day one, to his constant bereavement of the other players.

He could be an asshole but some people make it like yelling at teammates at all is a negative. These are grown men who barely get through college at most points..yelling, intimidation, challenging them physically is unfortunately often the most effective method of motivation. If the guys in this thread were coaches or players I'm guessing they would get tired of the "pretty please stop screwing up shit" type speeches pretty quick.

[RsxPiimp]

He could be an asshole but some people make it like yelling at teammates at all is a negative. These are grown men who barely get through college at most points..yelling, intimidation, challenging them physically is unfortunately often the most effective method of motivation. If the guys in this thread were coaches or players I'm guessing they would get tired of the "pretty please stop screwing up shit" type speeches pretty quick.

I'm in the camp of people who believes that, most people who grew in that generation scoff at these type sensationalism reported by the media. I had to react since fans of todays game paints Jordan in a different light.

[da_suns_fan]

Not related to OP, but thanks. We already Know Kobe is a asshole. Why does Kobe need to be brought in to every MJ related thread? He is not as good as MJ but copied MJ ... we get it. Again thanks.

Because the thread is suppose to be about "what if Jordan was around today would he get the same criticism leveled at players like Kobe". Someone even said Jordan was WORSE than Kobe.

But Jordan didnt have feud after feud with his teammates like Kobe did. Like I said, he was overly-competitive and had a temper but was still a like-able guy.

LOTS of players can do bad things and still be like-able. Barkely threw a dude through a glass window at a bar, spit on a fan, chased a ref through the tunnels etc. Media still loved him not because he "played in a different era" but because he was funny, genuine, exciting and had great camaraderie with teammates.

Jordan got a "pass" not because he played in a different era but because he was able to charm the media, his teammates and his fans. Watch that Oprah interview...hes got her eating out of his hand. When youre that charming, handsome, intelligent, articulate etc, NO ONE CARES if you once punched a teammate in practice.

But if you scream at the GM during practice that your teammates are soft as charmin etc in front of the media, youre not "pushing your teammates". Youre trying to embarrass them. Dont use "todays era of scrutiny" as an excuse as to why Kobe acts like an asshole every day.

[lefty]

Nice little article on Kobe's feuds with various teammates:

http://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/01/08/kobe-bryant-dwight-howard-feud-shaquille-oneal

"Who was I suppose to pass it to? Chris Mihm?!!"

Classic Kobe.

MJ about his teammates:


.."We're beating a lot of poor teams. So what? We won a lot of games last year, too. Will Horace and Bill still be playing at this level in the playoffs...Can Pip keep it up?"

Quote:
"I hate being out there with those garbagemen (http://www.textbooks.com/Why-Arent-Economics-as-Import-as-Garbagemen/9780873327770/Colander.php). They don't get you the ball."

Quote:
"They've got no idea what it's all about. The white guys, they work hard, but they don't have the talent. And the rest of them? Who knows what to expect? They're not good for much of anything."

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"I know what's gonna happen. We'll wait until the last minute and then they'll say something like they couldn't get a deal done because of the cap or somebody pulled out at the last minute. It happens here all the time. I don't know why I'm surprised every year."

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"He can't do anything with the ball. Don't give it to him." - Michael yelling at Paxson who passed the ball to Perdue

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"You ever hear of a guy, six-eleven maybe and two hundred sixty pounds, a guy big and fat like that and he can't get but two rebounds, if that many, running all over the damn court and he gets two rebounds? Big guy like that and he gets one rebound. Can't even stick his ass into people and get more than that...Big, fat, fat guy. One rebound in three games. Power forward. Maybe they should call it powerless forward." - Michael ripping Stacey King (http://www.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-products/stacey-king-minnesota-timberwolves-1994-upper-deck-autographed-card-this-item-comes-with-a-certificate-of-authenticity-from-autograph-sports-autographed.html)a new one

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"He was scared in there and panicking. He just lost it when Stockton scored." - Michael on B.J. Armstrong's mental fragility

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I'll let them stand up and take responsibility for themselves."

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"We have to do some things. We need to make some changes."

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"...I call them 'the Looney Tunes.' Physically, they were the best. Mentally, they weren't even close."

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"He's scared. He's got no heart...Nobody told me that. If I had spoken up, he wouldn't have been here."

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"I know I can recognize what to do, but I'm not sure they can."

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"It's a hell of a lot easier to make Earl Monroe look good than it is Brad Sellers."

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"I hope there's a jumpshot in there." - Michael to Stacey King (http://www.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-products/stacey-king-minnesota-timberwolves-1994-upper-deck-autographed-card-this-item-comes-with-a-certificate-of-authenticity-from-autograph-sports-autographed.html)who was walking into the locker room with a box

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"They don't need a ticket to watch you sitting on the bench. They can go to your house for that." - Michael to Charles Davis (http://stat.dealtime.com/DealFrame/DealFrame.cmp?bm=277&BEFID=63715&acode=257&code=257&aon=&crawler_id=448258&dealId=e9H50xkt3c3XOOTxf9JUMg%3D%3D&searchID=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.textbooks.com%2FBooksDescript ion.php%3FBKN%3D473018%26SBC%3DABN%26mcid%3DXCS-Shoppingdotcom-9780813337685-U%26utm_medium%3Dshoppingengine%26utm_term%3D97808 13337685U%26utm_source%3Dshoppingdotcom%26&DealName=Western%20Public%20Lands%20and%20Environm ental%20Politics%20-%20Charles%20Davis%20-%209780813337685%20-%200813337682&MerchantID=448258&HasLink=yes&category=0&AR=-1&NG=1&GR=1&ND=1&PN=1&RR=-1&ST=&MN=msnFeed&FPT=SDCF&NDS=1&NMS=1&NDP=1&MRS=&PD=164173663&brnId=2455&lnkId=8070676&Issdt=150205050325&IsFtr=0&IsSmart=0&dlprc=32.25&SKU=473018U)who was sorting through his tickets for his family and friends

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"Give me the fu*king ball." - Michael to Doug Collins who drew up a play for Dave Corzine

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"I hate when I have to read that in the papers the next day, that I couldn't do something. It wasn't my fault."

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"You're an idiot. You've screwed up every play we ever ran. You're too stupid to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you." - Michael to Horace Grant

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"If you [pass the ball to Bill Cartwright] (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/People-from-Elk-Grove-California/Source-Wikipedia/e/9781230762227), you'll never get the ball from me."

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"We're not winning because of talent. We're just beating bad teams."

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"Headache tonight, Scottie?" - Michael asks Scottie, while showing him his 2-for-16 line

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"It's probably a twelve-day (http://stat.dealtime.com/DealFrame/DealFrame.cmp?bm=271&BEFID=63715&acode=281&code=281&aon=&crawler_id=1932190&dealId=dgw3vYXANJyRsouzQX9S0w%3D%3D&searchID=&url=http%3A%2F%2F****************%2Frover%2F1%2F71 1-56844-1854-0%2F2%3Fkwid%3D1%26mtid%3D545%26crlp%3D1_240291%26 linkin_id%3D%7Blinkin_id%7D%26sortbid%3D%7Bbidamou nt%7D%26fitem%3D360807158508%26mt_id%3D545%26mpre% 3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ebay.com%252Fitm%252Flike %252F360807158508%26mid%3D503280%26sdc_id%3D%7Bsdc _id%7D&DealName=The%20Twelve-day%20Christmas%20Of%20Silverlenne%20Forest%20-%20Linquist%2C%20Katherine&MerchantID=503280&HasLink=yes&category=0&AR=-1&NG=1&GR=1&ND=1&PN=1&RR=-1&ST=&MN=msnFeed&FPT=SDCF&NDS=1&NMS=1&NDP=1&MRS=&PD=0&brnId=2455&lnkId=8070676&Issdt=150202050435&IsFtr=0&IsSmart=0&dlprc=7.4&SKU=360807158508). He needs two days to wake up." - Michael on a ten-day contract teammate

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"Five more years and I'm out of here. I'm marking these days on a calendar, like I'm in jail. I'm tired of being used by this organization, by the league, by the writers, by everyone."

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"They're not interested in winning. They just want to sell tickets, which they can do because of me. They won't make any deals to make us better. And this Kukoc thing. I hate that. They're spending all their time chasing this guy."

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"If I were a general manager, we'd be a better team." :lmao :lmao :lmao

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"Will Vanderbilt. He doesn't deserve to be named after a Big Ten school." (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Park-Ridge-Illinois/LLC-Books/e/9781157641438)- Michael on Will Perdue - AWESOME!

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"I want to prove the critics wrong...I want to see some serious moves from management, which I really haven't seen that much of yet, and I want to see more serious attitudes from my teammates this year when it comes to the playoffs. In the past, it's been more or less a joking thing, sort of a 'Well, we're here, so let's have a good time.'"..........

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"I'm sure everything will be fine if we win, but if we start losing, I'm shooting."

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"I know what I would do if I were coach. I'd determine our strengths and weaknesses and utilize them. And it's pretty clear what our strength is."

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"Your boy doesn't want to play. I'm tired of bailing his ass out." - Michael yelling at Jim Cleamons about Dennis Hopson

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"I don't know about trading a 24 year-old guy for a 34 year-old guy." - Michael questioning the Oakley trade

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"He's causing me too many turnovers." - Michael on Cartwright's inability to catch

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"Why the hell don't you ever set a pick like that in a game?" - Michael yelling at Perdue after also hitting Perdue upside his head (led to the institution of the private curtain for practices)

[daslicer]

MJ and Kobe are both sociopaths but the reason MJ was able to get away with more stuff was because his social skills were light years ahead of Kobe. MJ was better at charming and manipulating people. He knew which people to befriend to his benefit such as having Oakley as his bodyguard. If you think about it if MJ was on the Lakers he would have been able to manipulate turn the whole entire team against Shaq. Both suck as people and this is basically like debating who was the better dictator Sadaam or Kim Jung.

[Killakobe81]

Because the thread is suppose to be about "what if Jordan was around today would he get the same criticism leveled at players like Kobe". S

Not it is not. I used Lebron as my example to avoid this EXACT issue. But In addition to how amusing it is to watch the media impact on opinion of players by common fans I have gained more insight on Kobe haters so for that thank you.

But back to the topic at hand, Saying that Player x was worse doesnt change the dynamics. of my observation. Jordan is still teflon. I dont think the media climate is the only reason and I stand by that. Again plenty of other threads to disparage Rotator cuff. Yes someone else said MJ was worse I almost responded to that message saying that I dont know if true or not ...but that shouldnt matter this is about the GOAT not the carbon copy.

[Killakobe81]

MJ and Kobe are both sociopaths but the reason MJ was able to get away with more stuff was because his social skills were light years ahead of Kobe. MJ was better at charming and manipulating people. He knew which people to befriend to his benefit such as having Oakley as his bodyguard. If you think about it if MJ was on the Lakers he would have been able to manipulate turn the whole entire team against Shaq. Both suck as people and this is basically like debating who was the better dictator Sadaam or Kim Jung.

True and the more interesting take. I will ignore the overexaggerated dictator take ... If there was something else for Kobe to copy it would be that but though very smart doesnt have that gift. again Jordan was so far ahead of his time. He would be fine with today's media because he never takes controversial stands. He gives good interviews. He has an aura where he was above yet accessible to common fans. Not even Lebron has that but is much better at it than Kobe.

[Stalin]

MJ about his teammates:


.."We're beating a lot of poor teams. So what? We won a lot of games last year, too. Will Horace and Bill still be playing at this level in the playoffs...Can Pip keep it up?"

Quote:
"I hate being out there with those garbagemen (http://www.textbooks.com/Why-Arent-Economics-as-Import-as-Garbagemen/9780873327770/Colander.php). They don't get you the ball."

Quote:
"They've got no idea what it's all about. The white guys, they work hard, but they don't have the talent. And the rest of them? Who knows what to expect? They're not good for much of anything."

Quote:
"I know what's gonna happen. We'll wait until the last minute and then they'll say something like they couldn't get a deal done because of the cap or somebody pulled out at the last minute. It happens here all the time. I don't know why I'm surprised every year."

Quote:
"He can't do anything with the ball. Don't give it to him." - Michael yelling at Paxson who passed the ball to Perdue

Quote:
"You ever hear of a guy, six-eleven maybe and two hundred sixty pounds, a guy big and fat like that and he can't get but two rebounds, if that many, running all over the damn court and he gets two rebounds? Big guy like that and he gets one rebound. Can't even stick his ass into people and get more than that...Big, fat, fat guy. One rebound in three games. Power forward. Maybe they should call it powerless forward." - Michael ripping Stacey King (http://www.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-products/stacey-king-minnesota-timberwolves-1994-upper-deck-autographed-card-this-item-comes-with-a-certificate-of-authenticity-from-autograph-sports-autographed.html)a new one

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"He was scared in there and panicking. He just lost it when Stockton scored." - Michael on B.J. Armstrong's mental fragility

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I'll let them stand up and take responsibility for themselves."

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"We have to do some things. We need to make some changes."

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"...I call them 'the Looney Tunes.' Physically, they were the best. Mentally, they weren't even close."

Quote:
"He's scared. He's got no heart...Nobody told me that. If I had spoken up, he wouldn't have been here."

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"I know I can recognize what to do, but I'm not sure they can."

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"It's a hell of a lot easier to make Earl Monroe look good than it is Brad Sellers."

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"I hope there's a jumpshot in there." - Michael to Stacey King (http://www.sportsmemorabilia.com/sports-products/stacey-king-minnesota-timberwolves-1994-upper-deck-autographed-card-this-item-comes-with-a-certificate-of-authenticity-from-autograph-sports-autographed.html)who was walking into the locker room with a box

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"They don't need a ticket to watch you sitting on the bench. They can go to your house for that." - Michael to Charles Davis (http://stat.dealtime.com/DealFrame/DealFrame.cmp?bm=277&BEFID=63715&acode=257&code=257&aon=&crawler_id=448258&dealId=e9H50xkt3c3XOOTxf9JUMg%3D%3D&searchID=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.textbooks.com%2FBooksDescript ion.php%3FBKN%3D473018%26SBC%3DABN%26mcid%3DXCS-Shoppingdotcom-9780813337685-U%26utm_medium%3Dshoppingengine%26utm_term%3D97808 13337685U%26utm_source%3Dshoppingdotcom%26&DealName=Western%20Public%20Lands%20and%20Environm ental%20Politics%20-%20Charles%20Davis%20-%209780813337685%20-%200813337682&MerchantID=448258&HasLink=yes&category=0&AR=-1&NG=1&GR=1&ND=1&PN=1&RR=-1&ST=&MN=msnFeed&FPT=SDCF&NDS=1&NMS=1&NDP=1&MRS=&PD=164173663&brnId=2455&lnkId=8070676&Issdt=150205050325&IsFtr=0&IsSmart=0&dlprc=32.25&SKU=473018U)who was sorting through his tickets for his family and friends

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"Give me the fu*king ball." - Michael to Doug Collins who drew up a play for Dave Corzine

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"I hate when I have to read that in the papers the next day, that I couldn't do something. It wasn't my fault."

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"You're an idiot. You've screwed up every play we ever ran. You're too stupid to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you." - Michael to Horace Grant

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"If you [pass the ball to Bill Cartwright] (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/People-from-Elk-Grove-California/Source-Wikipedia/e/9781230762227), you'll never get the ball from me."

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"We're not winning because of talent. We're just beating bad teams."

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"Headache tonight, Scottie?" - Michael asks Scottie, while showing him his 2-for-16 line

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"It's probably a twelve-day (http://stat.dealtime.com/DealFrame/DealFrame.cmp?bm=271&BEFID=63715&acode=281&code=281&aon=&crawler_id=1932190&dealId=dgw3vYXANJyRsouzQX9S0w%3D%3D&searchID=&url=http%3A%2F%2F****************%2Frover%2F1%2F71 1-56844-1854-0%2F2%3Fkwid%3D1%26mtid%3D545%26crlp%3D1_240291%26 linkin_id%3D%7Blinkin_id%7D%26sortbid%3D%7Bbidamou nt%7D%26fitem%3D360807158508%26mt_id%3D545%26mpre% 3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ebay.com%252Fitm%252Flike %252F360807158508%26mid%3D503280%26sdc_id%3D%7Bsdc _id%7D&DealName=The%20Twelve-day%20Christmas%20Of%20Silverlenne%20Forest%20-%20Linquist%2C%20Katherine&MerchantID=503280&HasLink=yes&category=0&AR=-1&NG=1&GR=1&ND=1&PN=1&RR=-1&ST=&MN=msnFeed&FPT=SDCF&NDS=1&NMS=1&NDP=1&MRS=&PD=0&brnId=2455&lnkId=8070676&Issdt=150202050435&IsFtr=0&IsSmart=0&dlprc=7.4&SKU=360807158508). He needs two days to wake up." - Michael on a ten-day contract teammate

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"Five more years and I'm out of here. I'm marking these days on a calendar, like I'm in jail. I'm tired of being used by this organization, by the league, by the writers, by everyone."

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"They're not interested in winning. They just want to sell tickets, which they can do because of me. They won't make any deals to make us better. And this Kukoc thing. I hate that. They're spending all their time chasing this guy."

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"If I were a general manager, we'd be a better team." :lmao :lmao :lmao

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"Will Vanderbilt. He doesn't deserve to be named after a Big Ten school." (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Park-Ridge-Illinois/LLC-Books/e/9781157641438)- Michael on Will Perdue - AWESOME!

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"I want to prove the critics wrong...I want to see some serious moves from management, which I really haven't seen that much of yet, and I want to see more serious attitudes from my teammates this year when it comes to the playoffs. In the past, it's been more or less a joking thing, sort of a 'Well, we're here, so let's have a good time.'"..........

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"I'm sure everything will be fine if we win, but if we start losing, I'm shooting."

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"I know what I would do if I were coach. I'd determine our strengths and weaknesses and utilize them. And it's pretty clear what our strength is."

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"Your boy doesn't want to play. I'm tired of bailing his ass out." - Michael yelling at Jim Cleamons about Dennis Hopson

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"I don't know about trading a 24 year-old guy for a 34 year-old guy." - Michael questioning the Oakley trade

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"He's causing me too many turnovers." - Michael on Cartwright's inability to catch

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"Why the hell don't you ever set a pick like that in a game?" - Michael yelling at Perdue after also hitting Perdue upside his head (led to the institution of the private curtain for practices)






Sounds to me like the best player on the team has run out of patience with scrubs on his team. Not every guy on the team will be playing his hardest when he's already making millions. So for DK who's that competitive and hard working is intolerable to see some teammates coasting, or routinely fucking up. I'd diss them too, especially since DK then went on the court and backed it up with GOAT play.

[Budkin]

The only person who MJ backed down to was Bill Cartwright who literally threatened Jordan's career if he didn't stop talking shit about him.



http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1991-11-18/sports/9104140692_1_phil-jackson-bill-cartwright-horace-grant/2

And suddenly, plays called by Collins were being ignored as Jordan took the ball to the basket. But who could really complain, since the Bulls had started to win? Eventually, though, word got back to Cartwright. He didn`t do or say anything to anybody until late that season, when he told Jordan he needed to talk to him.

There was little small talk exchanged. ``I don`t like the things I`ve heard you say about me,`` Cartwright told Jordan.

Jordan stared at him.

``If I ever hear again that you`re telling guys not to pass me the ball,`` Cartwright continued, ``you will never play basketball again.``

[Budkin]

The only person who MJ backed down to was Bill Cartwright who literally threatened Jordan's career if he didn't stop talking shit about him.

Actually I just found a similar story about Robert Parish. LOL Jordan. Typical bully who can't take it when the tables are turned.



http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/09/the-time-robert-parish-refused-to-put-up-with-michael-jordan/

In one of his first practices with the Bulls, Parish botched one of the plays and was amused to find Jordan jawing at him just inches from his face.

“I told him, ‘I’m not as enamored with you as these other guys. I’ve got some rings too,’ ” Parish recalled. “At that point he told me, ‘I’m going to kick your ass.’ I took one step closer and said, ‘No, you really aren’t.’ After that he didn’t bother me.”

[Killakobe81]

Because the thread is suppose to be about "what if Jordan was around today would he get the same criticism leveled at players like Kobe". Someone even said Jordan was WORSE than Kobe.

But Jordan didnt have feud after feud with his teammates like Kobe did. Like I said, he was overly-competitive and had a temper but was still a like-able guy.

LOTS of players can do bad things and still be like-able. Barkely threw a dude through a glass window at a bar, spit on a fan, chased a ref through the tunnels etc. Media still loved him not because he "played in a different era" but because he was funny, genuine, exciting and had great camaraderie with teammates.

Jordan got a "pass" not because he played in a different era but because he was able to charm the media, his teammates and his fans. Watch that Oprah interview...hes got her eating out of his hand. When youre that charming, handsome, intelligent, articulate etc, NO ONE CARES if you once punched a teammate in practice.

But if you scream at the GM during practice that your teammates are soft as charmin etc in front of the media, youre not "pushing your teammates". Youre trying to embarrass them. Dont use "todays era of scrutiny" as an excuse as to why Kobe acts like an asshole every day.

1. MJ did all of that how do you think it made it in to multiple books?
2. Today's scrutiny has increased, no doubt but Lebron (nor Kobe who you are focused on) were NEVER as popular as MJ...so that is no excuse. He had more hoopla plenty of questionable acts but less negative press.

3. What?! Mj never feuded with team-mates? LOL, he openly feuded with Grant, Kukoc and Cartwright ..how old are you?
4. Just because someone is likeable doesnt excuse their behavior. Bill cosby was Tv's favorite dad. OJ was in loads of commercials and the Naked Gun movies. Not saying MJ done anything close to what those guys were accused of, but dont get how that helps your case.
5. I created this thread. I get that my handle is killakobe81 and I am a known Kobe apologist, but honestly on my two kids ... this was not about Kobe. Again how does talking about MJ's manipulation of the media help Kobe? So i can say wow he is just as BAD as Kobe? how does that help ANYTHING?

MJ still GOAT
still has 6>5,
Only blind Kobe stans think Kobe is greater.

[DMC]

Because the thread is suppose to be about "what if Jordan was around today would he get the same criticism leveled at players like Kobe". Someone even said Jordan was WORSE than Kobe.

But Jordan didnt have feud after feud with his teammates like Kobe did. Like I said, he was overly-competitive and had a temper but was still a like-able guy.

LOTS of players can do bad things and still be like-able. Barkely threw a dude through a glass window at a bar, spit on a fan, chased a ref through the tunnels etc. Media still loved him not because he "played in a different era" but because he was funny, genuine, exciting and had great camaraderie with teammates.

Jordan got a "pass" not because he played in a different era but because he was able to charm the media, his teammates and his fans. Watch that Oprah interview...hes got her eating out of his hand. When youre that charming, handsome, intelligent, articulate etc, NO ONE CARES if you once punched a teammate in practice.

But if you scream at the GM during practice that your teammates are soft as charmin etc in front of the media, youre not "pushing your teammates". Youre trying to embarrass them. Dont use "todays era of scrutiny" as an excuse as to why Kobe acts like an asshole every day.

This is true, and most of all that shit MJ said was when MJ was telling the truth. Kobe is the cancer and has been for a long time, yet he somehow thinks he's MJ and the other guys are Stacey King.

[DMC]

1. MJ did all of that how do you think it made it in to multiple books?
2. Today's scrutiny has increased, no doubt but Lebron (nor Kobe who you are focused on) were NEVER as popular as MJ...so that is no excuse. He had more hoopla plenty of questionable acts but less negative press.

3. What?! Mj never feuded with team-mates? LOL, he openly feuded with Grant, Kukoc and Cartwright ..how old are you?
4. Just because someone is likeable doesnt excuse their behavior. Bill cosby was Tv's favorite dad. OJ was in loads of commercials and the Naked Gun movies. Not saying MJ done anything close to what those guys were accused of, but dont get how that helps your case.
5. I created this thread. I get that my handle is killakobe81 and I am a known Kobe apologist, but honestly on my two kids ... this was not about Kobe. Again how does talking about MJ's manipulation of the media help Kobe? So i can say wow he is just as BAD as Kobe? how does that help ANYTHING?

MJ still GOAT
still has 6>5,
Only blind Kobe stans think Kobe is greater.

When you take that name on a Spurs forum, and then start a thread talking about how MJ was a prick right after Kobe hangs it up for the season, and you expect anyone to not think you're propping up Kobe, you're retarded. You chose the name, you did it on the Spurs website, live with the fallout.

[Stalin]

Because the thread is suppose to be about "what if Jordan was around today would he get the same criticism leveled at players like Kobe". Someone even said Jordan was WORSE than Kobe.

But Jordan didnt have feud after feud with his teammates like Kobe did. Like I said, he was overly-competitive and had a temper but was still a like-able guy.

LOTS of players can do bad things and still be like-able. Barkely threw a dude through a glass window at a bar, spit on a fan, chased a ref through the tunnels etc. Media still loved him not because he "played in a different era" but because he was funny, genuine, exciting and had great camaraderie with teammates.

Jordan got a "pass" not because he played in a different era but because he was able to charm the media, his teammates and his fans. Watch that Oprah interview...hes got her eating out of his hand. When youre that charming, handsome, intelligent, articulate etc, NO ONE CARES if you once punched a teammate in practice.

But if you scream at the GM during practice that your teammates are soft as charmin etc in front of the media, youre not "pushing your teammates". Youre trying to embarrass them. Dont use "todays era of scrutiny" as an excuse as to why Kobe acts like an asshole every day.




da_suns_fan bringing the goods

[Thread]

Because the thread is suppose to be about "what if Jordan was around today would he get the same criticism leveled at players like Kobe". Someone even said Jordan was WORSE than Kobe.

But Jordan didnt have feud after feud with his teammates like Kobe did. Like I said, he was overly-competitive and had a temper but was still a like-able guy.

LOTS of players can do bad things and still be like-able. Barkely threw a dude through a glass window at a bar, spit on a fan, chased a ref through the tunnels etc. Media still loved him not because he "played in a different era" but because he was funny, genuine, exciting and had great camaraderie with teammates.

Jordan got a "pass" not because he played in a different era but because he was able to charm the media, his teammates and his fans. Watch that Oprah interview...hes got her eating out of his hand. When youre that charming, handsome, intelligent, articulate etc, NO ONE CARES if you once punched a teammate in practice.

But if you scream at the GM during practice that your teammates are soft as charmin etc in front of the media, youre not "pushing your teammates". Youre trying to embarrass them. Dont use "todays era of scrutiny" as an excuse as to why Kobe acts like an asshole every day.

Barkley was a loser. You're short all of it because he had to be a big shot causing a dominoe fall to initiate culminating with Paxson's 3. But, we never talked about that in '93 and we ain't talked about it in the intervening 22 years, save for this old fuck. But, that's what happened. For whatever reason Barkley was given a pass then as he has since. His only punishment is having to sit on that TnT set with Smith & Daddy.

Kobe has his 5 and he took one of 'em over your dead body.........lettin' Artest put that back.

[Molotov]

^ faggot

[Thread]

^
Of course, nobody wants to hear the truth. They wants their Barkley, big, loud, & cuddly. But, I remember, daddy-O, and I'm tellin'PERIOD

[da_suns_fan]

Barkley was a loser. You're short all of it because he had to be a big shot causing a dominoe fall to initiate culminating with Paxson's 3. But, we never talked about that in '93 and we ain't talked about it in the intervening 22 years, save for this old fuck. But, that's what happened. For whatever reason Barkley was given a pass then as he has since. His only punishment is having to sit on that TnT set with Smith & Daddy.

Kobe has his 5 and he took one of 'em over your dead body.........lettin' Artest put that back.

All true. Barkley went for a steal that started the "domino effect" as you call it that led to the Paxon three and Kobe beat the Suns several times on the way to five championships.

He (Barkley) was still FUN AS HELL to cheer for and I still would love to get an autographed jersey for my office :).

[Killakobe81]

When you take that name on a Spurs forum, and then start a thread talking about how MJ was a prick right after Kobe hangs it up for the season, and you expect anyone to not think you're propping up Kobe, you're retarded. You chose the name, you did it on the Spurs website, live with the fallout.

1. Wasnt even focusing on the prick part a lot of us already knew that. The interesting part was the fact that is doesnt "stick". While Lebon is probably the closest to MJ in terms of all around dominance, gets shit on for the Decision, cramps, Delonte sticking his mon. Yes the new media outlets forums like this explain why we know more about James than Jordan but not WHY that stuff does not stick to him. Kobe is irrelevant because most of what he has done has stuck and it is obvious why.

2. I did not time this, LOL. THe story it came out when it did ... you give me to much credit. I dont sit her in between projects and think "hmm Kobe just retired let's go dig up dirt on a player that RETIRED over a decade ago!!" that will show them!!! I get this place is a troll haven but I rarely troll.In fact I have never done so with this account. Only time I did was during the backdoor sweep by OKC a few years back I got caught with an alt and I stopped. Prior to that never trolled and I havent done so since. Maybe a certain other Laker fan would do that ... I did not. And again, really what would that do to elevate Kobe? Please explain.

3. I dont give a shit what you assume. It's the NBA forum sure it's a spur site but I cannot tell you how long it's been since I created a Kobe themed thread or even really battled on his behalf. 5 changed things for me DMC.I dont even argue Kobe over duncan anymore. Yes, i occasional battle Amb on the shittiness of the current roster and the roster of the past few seasons since he pins EVERYTHING on Kobe ... but outside of that since last June most of my posts are 95% Kobe free. Im focused on the TANK!!!

You want to ignore the above because of my screen name, cheers.

[DMC]

1. Wasnt even focusing on the prick part a lot of us already knew that. The interesting part was the fact that is doesnt "stick". While Lebon is probably the closest to MJ in terms of all around dominance, gets shit on for the Decision, cramps, Delonte sticking his mon. Yes the new media outlets forums like this explain why we know more about James than Jordan but not WHY that stuff does not stick to him. Kobe is irrelevant because most of what he has done has stuck and it is obvious why.

2. I did not time this, LOL. THe story it came out when it did ... you give me to much credit. I dont sit her in between projects and think "hmm Kobe just retired let's go dig up dirt on a player that RETIRED over a decade ago!!" that will show them!!! I get this place is a troll haven but I rarely troll.In fact I have never done so with this account. Only time I did was during the backdoor sweep by OKC a few years back I got caught with an alt and I stopped. Prior to that never trolled and I havent done so since. Maybe a certain other Laker fan would do that ... I did not. And again, really what would that do to elevate Kobe? Please explain.

3. I dont give a shit what you assume. It's the NBA forum sure it's a spur site but I cannot tell you how long it's been since I created a Kobe themed thread or even really battled on his behalf. 5 changed things for me DMC.I dont even argue Kobe over duncan anymore. Yes, i occasional battle Amb on the shittiness of the current roster and the roster of the past few seasons since he pins EVERYTHING on Kobe ... but outside of that since last June most of my posts are 95% Kobe free. Im focused on the TANK!!!

You want to ignore the above because of my screen name, cheers.

None of your posts are Kobe free. It's in your name. You chose it.

[Killakobe81]

None of your posts are Kobe free. It's in your name. You chose it.

yep. Again it was my PSN, youtube and Xbox live handle ... It is still my PSN and youtube handle. I chose it over 10 years ago. Kobe already was a loved and hated player I liked that. If you noticeI stick up for most of the mast hated here: Kobe, Russ, Drose pre-injury and now Tony Parker ... my boys online just call me Killa, it stuck. seems to keep things simple. Not a master of having multiple accounts and tags that is why I sucked at trollin'. and if it bugs you to see it everytime I post for however long I stay here that is even better. :toast

[Mori Chu]

http://i54.tinypic.com/fux8nd.jpg

[Molotov]

http://i54.tinypic.com/fux8nd.jpg

[DMC]

yep. Again it was my PSN, youtube and Xbox live handle ... It is still my PSN and youtube handle. I chose it over 10 years ago. Kobe already was a loved and hated player I liked that. If you noticeI stick up for most of the mast hated here: Kobe, Russ, Drose pre-injury and now Tony Parker ... my boys online just call me Killa, it stuck. seems to keep things simple. Not a master of having multiple accounts and tags that is why I sucked at trollin'. and if it bugs you to see it everytime I post for however long I stay here that is even better. :toast

It doesn't bother me. If I named myself cocksucker and started a thread about how bad pussy is, you'd have a case against me for being biased.

[Killakobe81]

It doesn't bother me. If I named myself cocksucker and started a thread about how bad pussy is, you'd have a case against me for being biased.

Huh? funny but huh? and never said I wasnt biased. We are all biased, genius. I just said that thread wasnt about Kobe and it wasnt you just tried to make it so you and some off-brand suns fan ... even Amb stayed on topic, mostly.

[RsxPiimp]

If I named myself cocksucker and started a thread about how bad pussy is, you'd have a case against me for being biased.

:lmao

[JamStone]

Isaiah broke his hand punching Bill Lainbeer in the back of the head in a practice. It didn't really negatively impact their friendship. Might depend on the people involved and their respective personalities. Sounds like Jordan was trying to just be a bully.

[DMC]

Huh? funny but huh? and never said I wasnt biased. We are all biased, genius. I just said that thread wasnt about Kobe and it wasnt you just tried to make it so you and some off-brand suns fan ... even Amb stayed on topic, mostly.

But under it all, you're motivated to chase MJ with a stick because Kobe is at the back of the line. That's what's being said here.

[Killakobe81]

But under it all, you're motivated to chase MJ with a stick because Kobe is at the back of the line. That's what's being said here.

Nope. I like MJ. Was never a Jordan disciple as a kid, used to hate him. Loved come fly with me, though. but again once I matured took off the homer glasses he had surpassed Magic. Magic is greater than Kobe so I dont see what good chasing Mj with a stick would do. Nice story though bro.

If i wanted to elevate anyone it would be Magic, not Kobe. He was my childhood sports hero.

[Mori Chu]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/b77c6835c79472b0830cd391aef1b21e/tumblr_mg89u1p7301s24oxmo1_500.gif

[Killakobe81]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/b77c6835c79472b0830cd391aef1b21e/tumblr_mg89u1p7301s24oxmo1_500.gif

If any of the links were meant for me, I dont click them at work ... and by the time I get home, I dont care as much. PM, if you have something worthwhile ...

[Mori Chu]

https://31.media.tumblr.com/b77c6835c79472b0830cd391aef1b21e/tumblr_mg89u1p7301s24oxmo1_500.gif

[Infinite_limit]

This is why Jordan gets a pass

- Stories of beating up teammates didn't surface until after he won a 3-peat. If James brought multiple titles to Cleveland, he would be credited with physically turning the franchise into a Winner

[Stalin]

I don't see how anyone can fault nigs punching each other in the face in pursuit of victory. Just shows they are trying their hardest to win, and as a fan, I can appreciate that.