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Thebesteva
02-09-2015, 07:11 AM
As of 2015:

- They are anticipating 10 billion humans on earth in our life time, this is not a healthy growth, this is an infection of this planet. I wish it weren't true, I wish it was just crazy hippie talk, but there simply ARE NOT enough resources for all these people.

- The water depletion in the country is HUGE, especially here in CA, water prices are sky high. They called it 10 years ago and said water prices in CA will sky rocket by 2020 but instead it is already a head ache by 2014. The lack of rain is not helping.

- The food supply of the ocean is depleting, though it is hard to predict, they believe by 2040 the ocean will no longer be able to produce enough food for supply. Anyone who thinks these are crazy theories is completely oblivious to whats going on in this planet. They can't farm raise fish because they require anchovies, anchovies numbers are seriously depleted. Nothing is sanctioned, governments fund boats to go out and scoop up the ocean with nets big enough to fit 13 airplanes.

- The quality of our foods is deteriorating in order to keep up with the demand. Most of you are well aware of this problem

- Antibiotic resistance is growing, they are running out of ways to defeat bacterial infections and sepsis is a common occurrence at this point. Bugs like E coli and salmonella are becoming more and more resistant through our feedlot animals and antibiotics are not able to defeat them anymore

- There isn't enough land, water, and acreage to support all these humans. Farm animals and crops require more land-> more water-> More problems

My point is not to create an end of the world or doomsday like thread. But the problem is this idea that the fate of the world rests on if global warming is true or not has distracted us from MAJOR problems. There needs to be some solution and soon, this is NOT something that will dramatically affect us in our life time but the fate of our species has dramatically fallen because we keep thinking about our life time and not the life time of 1000's of years from now.

It's sad to say this, but the guy from the Matrix was right. Human beings are not mammals from an ecological stand point, we just use up resources, there is no equilibrium.

DarrinS
02-09-2015, 07:22 AM
Smh

CosmicCowboy
02-09-2015, 07:31 AM
The historical answer to overbalance is a good plague.

boutons_deux
02-09-2015, 07:50 AM
The historical answer to overbalance is a good plague.

mass extinctions have been much more due to climatic changes than viral/microbial plagues. Even Europe's Black Death didn't approach the kill level of climatic extinctions.

CosmicCowboy
02-09-2015, 08:10 AM
mass extinctions have been much more due to climatic changes than viral/microbial plagues. Even Europe's Black Death didn't approach the kill level of climatic extinctions.

:lmao

There have been no negative climatic effects on homo sapien populations to date.

boutons_deux
02-09-2015, 08:25 AM
:lmao

There have been no negative climatic effects on homo sapien populations to date.

really, you don't think the ice ages killed of some humans?

1000s if not 10Ks of Americans, all ages, have died from BigCorp polluted air.

CosmicCowboy
02-09-2015, 08:44 AM
really, you don't think the ice ages killed of some humans?

1000s if not 10Ks of Americans, all ages, have died from BigCorp polluted air.

I believe by definition those ice age homo sapiens would have been killed by weather and not climate change.

cantthinkofanything
02-09-2015, 08:47 AM
this thread has great potential to go racial

boutons_deux
02-09-2015, 08:49 AM
I believe by definition those ice age homo sapiens would have been killed by weather and not climate change.

:lol, fucking stupid response to bitch slapping

frigid weather of a day(s) killed humans, but those 1000s of frigid "weather days" were in the context 1000s of years of Ice Age climate

CosmicCowboy
02-09-2015, 08:51 AM
If anything 'climate change" benefited humans when global temperatures started rising 12,000 years ago.

CosmicCowboy
02-09-2015, 08:52 AM
:lol, fucking stupid response to bitch slapping

frigid weather of a day(s) killed humans, but those 1000s of frigid "weather days" were in the context 1000s of years of Ice Age climate

gee...so did man cause the ice age too? Guess I missed that one.

DarrinS
02-09-2015, 08:53 AM
mass extinctions have been much more due to climatic changes than viral/microbial plagues. Even Europe's Black Death didn't approach the kill level of climatic extinctions.

:lmao

boutons_deux
02-09-2015, 08:54 AM
gee...so did man cause the ice age too? Guess I missed that one.

ask non-silly questions, you might get answers

boutons_deux
02-09-2015, 08:59 AM
:lmao

your riposte is devastating. I'm humbled

CosmicCowboy
02-09-2015, 09:02 AM
ask non-silly questions, you might get answers

Are you claiming that man hasn't benefited from climate change?

DarrinS
02-09-2015, 10:11 AM
your riposte is devastating. I'm humbled

Well, if you are talking about comets, asteroids, and supervolcanos, then you may have a point. None of those are caused by humans, however.

boutons_deux
02-09-2015, 10:24 AM
Well, if you are talking about comets, asteroids, and supervolcanos, then you may have a point. None of those are caused by humans, however.

those, if big enough, all cause long-term climate change, massive species extinction, as can the Ice Ages.

We are now in the anthropocene, where the planet's health, livability, sustainability (y'all right wingers just hate that word, right?) are being significantly degraded, including accelerated species extinction, by man.

iow, pollution of air, land, water from BigCorp is shitting in our beds. Thanks, BigCorp!

CosmicCowboy
02-09-2015, 10:30 AM
Boo, you conveniently dodged my question. Are you saying man hasn't benefited from climate change?

boutons_deux
02-09-2015, 10:40 AM
Boo, you conveniently dodged my question. Are you saying man hasn't benefited from climate change?

fucking stupid question.

Of course the "favorable", moderate climate since the last Ice Age, and esp in the last 10K years when man moved to agriculture and domesticated animals, has benefited man.

and the current, upcoming unfavorable, immoderate GLOBAL WARMING is, will be to man's detriment.

CosmicCowboy
02-09-2015, 10:47 AM
fucking stupid question.

Of course the "favorable", moderate climate since the last Ice Age, and esp in the last 10K years when man moved to agriculture and domesticated animals, has benefited man.

and the current, upcoming unfavorable, immoderate GLOBAL WARMING is, will be to man's detriment.

So the ocean level rising 325 feet was a good thing, right? And it did that without mans help, right?

boutons_deux
02-09-2015, 10:59 AM
So the ocean level rising 325 feet was a good thing, right? And it did that without mans help, right?

keep making stupid points and asking silly questions.

CosmicCowboy
02-09-2015, 11:08 AM
keep making stupid points and asking silly questions.

i love how points you are too big of a pussy to admit are "stupid points and questions."

Thebesteva
02-09-2015, 03:38 PM
This thread isnt about climate change, I literally said climate change is always the debate you guys get sucked into FFS

SnakeBoy
02-09-2015, 03:44 PM
Thought this was going to be a Spurs thread.

boutons_deux
02-09-2015, 03:49 PM
This thread isnt about climate change, I literally said climate change is always the debate you guys get sucked into FFS


your points about water, food scarcity, population growth are all intimately related to global warming, and you left out the problem of rising sea levels displacing Ms of people, destroying 100s of cities, villages, also directly related to global warming.

the quality of industrial, factory food has, so far, nothing to do with trying to keep up with population growth, but the decades-long BigCorp need in keep increasing profits.