Common Core's Communist Programming Exposed: Chinese Immigrant Speaks Out

[m>s]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AXMmYMyyU0

[ChumpDumper]

lol infowars

[m>s]

this woman's firsthand account of her life back in china is pretty interesting though, you can feel the raw emotion she speaks from the heart

[Nero5]

Yawn! One person's account is hardly representative of a country. It would be like saying a yokel from the mountains of Vermont knows about Texas.

[m>s]

She lived under communism and is pointing out the parallels between their school system and today's common core

[Wild Cobra]

Of course there are parallels. That's why we want to schools to only teach math, reading, and other such materials and stop teaching things of agenda.

[ChumpDumper]

She lived under communism and is pointing out the parallels between their school system and today's common coreWhat does she say are the parallels?

[m>s]

It's about a 20 minute video there are a lot of them. You should watch if you're interested.

[boutons_deux]

the US states developed Common Core but it's the same as communist schooling! :lol you fricking Nazis, deeply and widely educated! :lol

[velik_m]

As someone who was schooled both in democracy and communism, the schools in democracy are way easier. Today's kids don't know how easy they have it...

[Blake]

Rofllllllll infowars

Op is a retarded shill

[m>s]

As someone who was schooled both in democracy and communism, the schools in democracy are way easier. Today's kids don't know how easy they have it...
That's basically what she was saying, the curriculum was harder but they were politically brainwashed and encouraged to tattle on their parents and neighbors, and although the scores were high they were like robots and couldn't think critically. She went on to talk about China bacing zero nobel prizes compared to america for this reason. America is doing it all wrong because the kids are genetically inferior and the curriculum is still too easy and ain't got shit on China.

[ChumpDumper]

So it's nothing like China at all.

[m>s]

it's very much like china's education system just a little more dumbed down. it is federalized, centralized from the top down education written by the central government telling them what to teach and indocrinate our children with. they are not saying that the founding fathers were bad and telling children to go home and record whats in their parents medicine cabinets? there are actually a lot of parallels if you actually cared to know what the woman had to say. her story is worth listening to because shes lived in both worlds.

http://fox13now.com/2014/10/23/parent-says-school-assignment-to-take-inventory-of-medicine-cabinet-invaded-privacy/

[m>s]

Rofllllllll infowars

Op is a retarded shill
if you weren't homo you would watch just becuase of leanne RACKadoo

[ChumpDumper]

it's very much like china's education system just a little more dumbed down. it is federalized, centralized from the top down education written by the central government telling them what to teach and indocrinate our children with. they are not saying that the founding fathers were bad and telling children to go home and record whats in their parents medicine cabinets? there are actually a lot of parallels if you actually cared to know what the woman had to say. her story is worth listening to because shes lived in both worlds.

http://fox13now.com/2014/10/23/parent-says-school-assignment-to-take-inventory-of-medicine-cabinet-invaded-privacy/Did the federal government order that medicine cabinet assignment?

Yes or no.

[RandomGuy]

it's very much like china's education system just a little more dumbed down. it is federalized, centralized from the top down education written by the central government telling them what to teach and indocrinate our children with. they are not saying that the founding fathers were bad and telling children to go home and record whats in their parents medicine cabinets? there are actually a lot of parallels if you actually cared to know what the woman had to say. her story is worth listening to because shes lived in both worlds.

http://fox13now.com/2014/10/23/parent-says-school-assignment-to-take-inventory-of-medicine-cabinet-invaded-privacy/

The Chinese educational system is really almost nothing like the US educational system. I have personally seen the results in the classmates I had in grad school. Horrible at critical thinking.

Common core is built around it.

Little wonder someone like you would find it so alien. :lmao

[Blake]

if you weren't homo you would watch just becuase of leanne RACKadoo

thanks but no thanks on your invitation to watch Infoporns.

Try inviting gtown over for your party instead.

[RandomGuy]

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[RandomGuy]

Not knowing much, a quick search:

http://www.corestandards.org/about-the-standards/development-process/


Development Process

The state-led effort to develop the Common Core State Standards was launched in 2009 by state leaders, including governors and state commissioners of education from 48 states, two territories and the District of Columbia, through their membership in the National Governors Association Center for Best Practices (NGA Center) and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO). State school chiefs and governors recognized the value of consistent, real-world learning goals and launched this effort to ensure all students, regardless of where they live, are graduating high school prepared for college, career, and life.

The standards are informed by:

The best state standards already in existence
The experience of teachers, content experts, states, and leading thinkers
Feedback from the public

Don't really know much about Common Core, and sadly, Lilly can't, or won't tell you about it:

http://www.lily4liberty.com/thoughts-on-common-core.html


fter I woke up one day realizing my whole life was a lie and I could never change China from a society ruled by men to a society ruled by law, I decided to leave China for America. Before I left for America to pursue a master’s degree, my Communist boss made me sign a paper to promise to return to my job after my graduate study or my file would be returned back to my hometown, Chengdu, in Sichuan Province. I was a law school assistant professor at Fudan University in Shanghai at that time, which is one of the top Chinese universities. Sending my file back to my hometown meant that I would lose my legal career forever and have a black spot in my file which would make it very hard to get another good job. I had to sign it in order for my employer to release me so I could apply for my passport with their consent papers. Even though I finally broke free from this tracking system by coming to America, I still feel sometimes that I am haunted by my secret file, which neither I nor my parents ever saw. When I did not return after my master's degree, I bet the file went back to my hometown, Chengdu, and it might be somewhere in a local security or police office today. Some immigrants from tyranny countries are afraid of speaking up in this country, I totally understand. But I cannot live in fear and I feel it is my duty as a new citizen of this country to tell the truth. I am so worried that "Common Core" will be used by the government and corporations for "data mining” of our children.

Some people are pushing for the education system to be like China because Chinese children score high on tests. In fact, Chinese children do not have much life besides studying and test taking. They do very well on tests because they are trained as test machines but they are miserable and stressed out. They are not taught to be independent thinkers. They are trained to follow and conform. They have too much homework every day, and they have to study very hard for long hours. They do not have much time for other activities such as sports, art, community service, etc. Many students become near sighted and have to wear glasses at a young age. Some become sleep deprived and depressed; their parents worry about their health but have very little control.

High school students are even more stressed out due to the once-a-year college entrance exams (three full-day nationwide exams), because if you do not pass them to attend college, your life is supposed to be ruined, you are a loser in society, you cannot get a good job to make decent wages, your family and friends will look down on you. Many of them take extra classes outside of school on the weekday evenings or over the weekends because of the pressure to perform and go to college. There are many cases of abuse and corruption in this huge industry of testing preparations. The working class parents have to save a high percentage of their income to spend on their children’s education. It is not uncommon for some high school students to commit suicide before or after the college entrance exams. If your child has a special educational need or is a late bloomer, you are out of luck. They will be left behind. The very rich today in China just send their kids to private schools and buy their way out, or send their kids overseas to study in college.

I do not understand why some people in America want our school education system to be more like China, unless the government wants us to become like China so everyone can be controlled and tracked. Some might think Common Core sounds wonderful, our children will be “global citizens”, “college ready” and “career ready”, but it still reminds me of the Communist Core I went through. A big and powerful government always has reasons and excuses for using force to make people do what they want, but in the end, it is always the ruling class and their cronies that benefit from these mandates, not the people.

She spends most of her time blathering about what happens in China, but can't seem to "connect the dots" to actually compare the Common Core to the Chinese system.

The problem with claiming this is a "top down" thing forced on the states, is that the states were the ones pushing for some standards.

[RandomGuy]

It's about a 20 minute video there are a lot of them. You should watch if you're interested.

Watched it.

She didn't say there were any parallels, and provided almost no evidence of such.

http://memeguy.com/photos/images/oh-the-irony-8234.jpg

You are using the statements and criticism of a woman who is a product of an educational system that discouraged critical thinking, and who obviously does not have any critical thinking skills, to vilify a set of educational standards... because she says they discourage critical thinking? Really...? Really...?

Seriously going to wear out the lmao smiley, sheesh.

I am, though, less interested in making someone foolish look foolish, than in getting to the bottom of something.

http://www.corestandards.org/read-the-standards/

There is a link to the standards. Maybe you can be a bit more specific as to what and how they are bad or whatever it is you want to claim they are.

Get cracking, oh chumpion of critical thinking.

[Wild Cobra]

It's about a 20 minute video there are a lot of them. You should watch if you're interested.

What idiot thinks we all have nothing better to do, than watch 25+ minutes of someone else's favorite topic? If there is a point to be made, please explain it and give a pinpointed time to start watching it.

[m>s]

What idiot thinks we all have nothing better to do, than watch 25+ minutes of someone else's favorite topic? If there is a point to be made, please explain it and give a pinpointed time to start watching it.
aren't you the guy who has some sort of complex about working as some technician and not actually in the field of science? funny you throw around the idiot word.

[Wild Cobra]

As someone who was schooled both in democracy and communism, the schools in democracy are way easier. Today's kids don't know how easy they have it...
I agree, but it isn't because of democracy vs. communism. It's because we have too many liberal pussies in society. There is no good punishment, children are no longer held back in grades as they once were, etc. Policies have taken away almost all means of proper teaching.

Our high school graduates are probably no better educated than a 7th grader of the 50's.

Progressive policies are far from progressive!

[Blake]

What idiot thinks we all have nothing better to do, than watch 25+ minutes of someone else's favorite topic? If there is a point to be made, please explain it and give a pinpointed time to start watching it.

lol coming from this guy

[m>s]

"progress" doesn't mean the nation moving forward and improving to these people. it means x amount of black students passing, x amount of hispanic students getting into such and such college, etc. merits, knowledge, learning, all be damned. it's social justice

http://cdn.themetapicture.com/media/funny-equality-justice-baseball-fence.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

aren't you the guy who has some sort of complex about working as some technician and not actually in the field of science? funny you throw around the idiot word.
I understand. You are just resentful that you are.

Why the general time of 20 minutes? How about a specific time please.

Maybe you have nothing better to do than watch 25 minutes of material someone else posts, but that's 25 minutes of my life I'll never get back.

If you had an ounce of common sense, you would point out a specific time index that has good relevance.

[Wild Cobra]

"progress" doesn't mean the nation moving forward and improving to these people. it means x amount of black students passing, x amount of hispanic students getting into such and such college, etc. merits, knowledge, learning, all be damned.

Like I said. Pussy liberal agendas.

[Blake]

I agree, but it isn't because of democracy vs. communism. It's because we have too many liberal pussies in society. There is no good punishment, children are no longer held back in grades as they once were, etc. Policies have taken away almost all means of proper teaching.

Our high school graduates are probably no better educated than a 7th grader of the 50's.

Progressive policies are far from progressive!

I like how you put our educational short comings on liberal pussies. It reminds us all how unobjective you are.....worth not responding to other than with a lolsmh.

[m>s]

the entire interview was great and offered a different perspective, although i realize that most here prefer their liberal echo chamber. i would point out the time frame between 1 minute and 25 minutes. it isn't like you had anything better to do anyway, you're on spurstalk political forum.

[Blake]

Like I said. Pussy liberal agendas.

You mean like No Child Left Behind?

[m>s]

You mean like No Child Left Behind?
george pussybush and all the rhino's are liberal as far as i'm concerned.

[Blake]

the entire interview was great and offered a different perspective, although i realize that most here prefer their liberal echo chamber. i would point out the time frame between 1 minute and 25 minutes. it isn't like you had anything better to do anyway, you're on spurstalk political forum.

Infowars is usually explosive diarrhea. Not worth the click.

[Blake]

george pussybush and all the rhino's are liberal as far as i'm concerned.

wc won't see it that way I'm betting.

[m>s]

you're as closed-minded as those damn religious patriot took mur jerbs!! types

[m>s]

dems range from extreme progressives to moderately liberal and republicans (with the exception of very few) range from moderately liberal to slightly liberal or centrist in this country. hell even "esteemed" reagan was a centrist, he pandered to both sides depending on the issue. lets not forget who is responsible for the first amnesty.

[Blake]

you're as closed-minded as those damn religious patriot took mur jerbs!! types

I closed my mind to infowars after I found Alex Jones to be a loud mouthed 9/11 conspiracy hack that looked to make an easy buck off of simpleton followers like you.

[Blake]

dems range from extreme progressives to moderately liberal and republicans (with the exception of very few) range from moderately liberal to slightly liberal or centrist in this country. hell even "esteemed" reagan was a centrist, he pandered to both sides depending on the issue. lets not forget who is responsible for the first amnesty.

Digging your feet in the sand and aligning yourself with or against a party is as close minded as it gets.

[m>s]

I closed my mind to infowars after I found Alex Jones to be a loud mouthed 9/11 conspiracy hack that looked to make an easy buck off of simpleton followers like you.
he's never gotten a dime of mine, he's good to get information on things that the mainstream media isn't talking about every now and then nothing more. lefty's always think when they hear alex jones that you're some bot that hangs on his every word and buys his filters. i do realize that some of his followers are like that. i mostly get my political news from 4chan.org/pol and 8chan though

[Blake]

he's never gotten a dime of mine, he's good to get information on things that the mainstream media isn't talking about every now and then nothing more. lefty's always think when they hear alex jones that you're some bot that hangs on his every word and buys his filters. i do realize that some of his followers are like that. i mostly get my political news from 4chan.org/pol and 8chan though

He's got you pushing his videos which include pushing his merchandise.

I'm sure he thanks you.

[Blake]

Lol Infowars

http://www.snopes.com/info/news/sandyhoax.asp

[Blake]

Lol Infowars

http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/femacoffins.asp

[Blake]

Lol Alex Jones

http://www.texasmonthly.com/daily-post/conspiracy-theory-alex-jones-actually-legendary-long-dead-texas-comedian-bill-hicks

[RandomGuy]

Man, this thread is comedy gold. Going in my subscriptions.

[RandomGuy]

he's never gotten a dime of mine, he's good to get information on things that the mainstream media isn't talking about every now and then nothing more. lefty's always think when they hear alex jones that you're some bot that hangs on his every word and buys his filters. i do realize that some of his followers are like that. i mostly get my political news from 4chan.org/pol and 8chan though

He has gotten plenty of dimes from you. Every time you watch his videos or click on his websites, he gets paid, by his advertisers.

About the only unique thing about his website is the conspiracy color to everything that passes through it, no matter how ultimately innocuous or false.

[RandomGuy]

dems range from extreme progressives to moderately liberal and republicans (with the exception of very few) range from moderately liberal to slightly liberal or centrist in this country. hell even "esteemed" reagan was a centrist, he pandered to both sides depending on the issue. lets not forget who is responsible for the first amnesty.

Eyup.

I have a couple of pretty decent coworkers whose parents benefited from that amnesty. Points out to me why we need another one, tbh.

[RandomGuy]

the entire interview was great and offered a different perspective, although i realize that most here prefer their liberal echo chamber. i would point out the time frame between 1 minute and 25 minutes. it isn't like you had anything better to do anyway, you're on spurstalk political forum.

Listen fuckwit, it didn't say any fucking thing about the common core, it was one woman ranting about how bad the cultural revolution was, that's about it.

I even gave you the link to the common core standards and asked you to tell me exactly what was so bad about it, and you are too lazy to even do that.

Given that the subject of the OP was someone bemoaning "programming" from educational standards that discourage critical thinking, that is fucking hilariously inept.

[TeyshaBlue]

Listen fuckwit, it didn't say any fucking thing about the common core, it was one woman ranting about how bad the cultural revolution was, that's about it.

I even gave you the link to the common core standards and asked you to tell me exactly what was so bad about it, and you are too lazy to even do that.

Given that the subject of the OP was someone bemoaning "programming" from educational standards that discourage critical thinking, that is fucking hilariously inept.
Let me know when you're ready to talk common core.....Ive a few HSOs on that particular boondoggle.

[RandomGuy]

Let me know when you're ready to talk common core.....Ive a few HSOs on that particular boondoggle.

Be happy to admit I know little about it, but that is easy to remedy. Feel free to help me out. Good or bad, I have no real opinion as of yet, although given the caliber of morons railing against some of it, I can't say I am impressed by the criticisms so far.

[Nbadan]

The problem with the American education system has more to do with its one-size-fits-all mentality, not because of common core....

[Nbadan]

Be happy to admit I know little about it, but that is easy to remedy. Feel free to help me out. Good or bad, I have no real opinion as of yet, although given the caliber of morons railing against some of it, I can't say I am impressed by the criticisms so far.

common core sets up common learning standards at each grade level....so that any student can move from one part of the country, state, or city, to another and not miss a beat..

[TeyshaBlue]

Common core epitomizes one-size-fits-all.

[boutons_deux]

Common core epitomizes one-size-fits-all.

don't be a coward, speak up with your alternative

[Nbadan]

Common core epitomizes one-size-fits-all.

That would be no child left behind.....common core merely sets up common standards, not how they should be taught....

[TeyshaBlue]

I have thought long and hard about the Common Core standards.

I have decided that I cannot support them.

In this post, I will explain why.

I have long advocated for voluntary national standards, believing that it would be helpful to states and districts to have general guidelines about what students should know and be able to do as they progress through school.

Such standards, I believe, should be voluntary, not imposed by the federal government; before implemented widely, they should be thoroughly tested to see how they work in real classrooms; and they should be free of any mandates that tell teachers how to teach because there are many ways to be a good teacher, not just one. I envision standards not as a demand for compliance by teachers, but as an aspiration defining what states and districts are expected to do. They should serve as a promise that schools will provide all students the opportunity and resources to learn reading and mathematics, the sciences, the arts, history, literature, civics, geography, and physical education, taught by well-qualified teachers, in schools led by experienced and competent educators.

​For the past two years, I have steadfastly insisted that I was neither for nor against the Common Core standards. I was agnostic. I wanted to see how they worked in practice. I wanted to know, based on evidence, whether or not they improve education and whether they reduce or increase the achievement gaps among different racial and ethnic groups.

After much deliberation, I have come to the conclusion that I can’t wait five or ten years to find out whether test scores go up or down, whether or not schools improve, and whether the kids now far behind are worse off than they are today.

I have come to the conclusion that the Common Core standards effort is fundamentally flawed by the process with which they have been foisted upon the nation.

The Common Core standards have been adopted in 46 states and the District of Columbia without any field test. They are being imposed on the children of this nation despite the fact that no one has any idea how they will affect students, teachers, or schools. We are a nation of guinea pigs, almost all trying an unknown new program at the same time.

Maybe the standards will be great. Maybe they will be a disaster. Maybe they will improve achievement. Maybe they will widen the achievement gaps between haves and have-nots. Maybe they will cause the children who now struggle to give up altogether. Would the Federal Drug Administration approve the use of a drug with no trials, no concern for possible harm or unintended consequences?

President Obama and Secretary Duncan often say that the Common Core standards were developed by the states and voluntarily adopted by them. This is not true.

They were developed by an organization called Achieve and the National Governors Association, both of which were generously funded by the Gates Foundation. There was minimal public engagement in the development of the Common Core. Their creation was neither grassroots nor did it emanate from the states.

​In fact, it was well understood by states that they would not be eligible for Race to the Top funding ($4.35 billion) unless they adopted the Common Core standards. Federal law prohibits the U.S. Department of Education from prescribing any curriculum, but in this case the Department figured out a clever way to evade the letter of the law. Forty-six states and the District of Columbia signed on, not because the Common Core standards were better than their own, but because they wanted a share of the federal cash. In some cases, the Common Core standards really were better than the state standards, but in Massachusetts, for example, the state standards were superior and well tested but were ditched anyway and replaced with the Common Core. The former Texas State Commissioner of Education, Robert Scott, has stated for the record that he was urged to adopt the Common Core standards before they were written.

The flap over fiction vs. informational text further undermined my confidence in the standards. There is no reason for national standards to tell teachers what percentage of their time should be devoted to literature or information. Both can develop the ability to think critically. The claim that the writers of the standards picked their arbitrary ratios because NAEP has similar ratios makes no sense. NAEP gives specifications to test-developers, not to classroom teachers.

I must say too that it was offensive when Joel Klein and Condoleeza Rice issued a report declaring that our nation’s public schools were so terrible that they were a “very grave threat to our national security.” Their antidote to this allegedly desperate situation: the untried Common Core standards plus charters and vouchers.

Another reason I cannot support the Common Core standards is that I am worried that they will cause a precipitous decline in test scores, based on arbitrary cut scores, and this will have a disparate impact on students who are English language learners, students with disabilities, and students who are poor and low-performing. A principal in the Mid-West told me that his school piloted the Common Core assessments and the failure rate rocketed upwards, especially among the students with the highest needs. He said the exams looked like AP exams and were beyond the reach of many students.

When Kentucky piloted the Common Core, proficiency rates dropped by 30 percent. The Chancellor of the New York Board of Regents has already warned that the state should expect a sharp drop in test scores.

What is the purpose of raising the bar so high that many more students fail?

Rick Hess opined that reformers were confident that the Common Core would cause so much dissatisfaction among suburban parents that they would flee their public schools and embrace the reformers’ ideas (charters and vouchers). Rick was appropriately doubtful that suburban parents could be frightened so easily.

Jeb Bush, at a conference of business leaders, confidently predicted that the high failure rates sure to be caused by Common Core would bring about “a rude awakening.” Why so much glee at the prospect of higher failure rates?.

I recently asked a friend who is a strong supporter of the standards why he was so confident that the standards would succeed, absent any real-world validation. His answer: “People I trust say so.” That’s not good enough for me.

Now that David Coleman, the architect of the Common Core standards, has become president of the College Board, we can expect that the SAT will be aligned to the standards. No one will escape their reach, whether they attend public or private school.

Is there not something unseemly about placing the fate and the future of American education in the hands of one man?

I hope for the sake of the nation that the Common Core standards are great and wonderful. I wish they were voluntary, not mandatory. I wish we knew more about how they will affect our most vulnerable students.

But since I do not know the answer to any of the questions that trouble me, I cannot support the Common Core standards.

I will continue to watch and listen. While I cannot support the Common Core standards, I will remain open to new evidence. If the standards help kids, I will say so. If they hurt them, I will say so. I will listen to their advocates and to their critics.

I will encourage my allies to think critically about the standards, to pay attention to how they affect students, and to insist, at least, that they do no harm.
dianeravitch.net/2013/02/26/why-i-cannot-support-the-common-core-standards/

[TeyshaBlue]

That would be no child left behind.....common core merely sets up common standards, not how they should be taught....

Common core defines the curriculum. Not much else you can do when you're straight jacketed by design.

[Nbadan]

Staying with something, even though results show it's not working is stupid too...not saying that common core will cure the nation's education system, not at all, but it replaces a system that hasn't worked for decades...

[Nbadan]

Common core defines the curriculum. Not much else you can do when you're straight jacketed by design.

Well, these are minimum standards....it's up to local school districts if they decide they want to push the envelope of standards...

[Nbadan]

Ultimately though, my feeling is that magnet schools are the way to go...

[m>s]

I have thought long and hard about the Common Core standards.

I have decided that I cannot support them.

In this post, I will explain why.

I have long advocated for voluntary national standards, believing that it would be helpful to states and districts to have general guidelines about what students should know and be able to do as they progress through school.

Such standards, I believe, should be voluntary, not imposed by the federal government; before implemented widely, they should be thoroughly tested to see how they work in real classrooms; and they should be free of any mandates that tell teachers how to teach because there are many ways to be a good teacher, not just one. I envision standards not as a demand for compliance by teachers, but as an aspiration defining what states and districts are expected to do. They should serve as a promise that schools will provide all students the opportunity and resources to learn reading and mathematics, the sciences, the arts, history, literature, civics, geography, and physical education, taught by well-qualified teachers, in schools led by experienced and competent educators.

​For the past two years, I have steadfastly insisted that I was neither for nor against the Common Core standards. I was agnostic. I wanted to see how they worked in practice. I wanted to know, based on evidence, whether or not they improve education and whether they reduce or increase the achievement gaps among different racial and ethnic groups.

After much deliberation, I have come to the conclusion that I can’t wait five or ten years to find out whether test scores go up or down, whether or not schools improve, and whether the kids now far behind are worse off than they are today.

I have come to the conclusion that the Common Core standards effort is fundamentally flawed by the process with which they have been foisted upon the nation.

The Common Core standards have been adopted in 46 states and the District of Columbia without any field test. They are being imposed on the children of this nation despite the fact that no one has any idea how they will affect students, teachers, or schools. We are a nation of guinea pigs, almost all trying an unknown new program at the same time.

Maybe the standards will be great. Maybe they will be a disaster. Maybe they will improve achievement. Maybe they will widen the achievement gaps between haves and have-nots. Maybe they will cause the children who now struggle to give up altogether. Would the Federal Drug Administration approve the use of a drug with no trials, no concern for possible harm or unintended consequences?

President Obama and Secretary Duncan often say that the Common Core standards were developed by the states and voluntarily adopted by them. This is not true.

They were developed by an organization called Achieve and the National Governors Association, both of which were generously funded by the Gates Foundation. There was minimal public engagement in the development of the Common Core. Their creation was neither grassroots nor did it emanate from the states.

​In fact, it was well understood by states that they would not be eligible for Race to the Top funding ($4.35 billion) unless they adopted the Common Core standards. Federal law prohibits the U.S. Department of Education from prescribing any curriculum, but in this case the Department figured out a clever way to evade the letter of the law. Forty-six states and the District of Columbia signed on, not because the Common Core standards were better than their own, but because they wanted a share of the federal cash. In some cases, the Common Core standards really were better than the state standards, but in Massachusetts, for example, the state standards were superior and well tested but were ditched anyway and replaced with the Common Core. The former Texas State Commissioner of Education, Robert Scott, has stated for the record that he was urged to adopt the Common Core standards before they were written.

The flap over fiction vs. informational text further undermined my confidence in the standards. There is no reason for national standards to tell teachers what percentage of their time should be devoted to literature or information. Both can develop the ability to think critically. The claim that the writers of the standards picked their arbitrary ratios because NAEP has similar ratios makes no sense. NAEP gives specifications to test-developers, not to classroom teachers.

I must say too that it was offensive when Joel Klein and Condoleeza Rice issued a report declaring that our nation’s public schools were so terrible that they were a “very grave threat to our national security.” Their antidote to this allegedly desperate situation: the untried Common Core standards plus charters and vouchers.

Another reason I cannot support the Common Core standards is that I am worried that they will cause a precipitous decline in test scores, based on arbitrary cut scores, and this will have a disparate impact on students who are English language learners, students with disabilities, and students who are poor and low-performing. A principal in the Mid-West told me that his school piloted the Common Core assessments and the failure rate rocketed upwards, especially among the students with the highest needs. He said the exams looked like AP exams and were beyond the reach of many students.

When Kentucky piloted the Common Core, proficiency rates dropped by 30 percent. The Chancellor of the New York Board of Regents has already warned that the state should expect a sharp drop in test scores.

What is the purpose of raising the bar so high that many more students fail?

Rick Hess opined that reformers were confident that the Common Core would cause so much dissatisfaction among suburban parents that they would flee their public schools and embrace the reformers’ ideas (charters and vouchers). Rick was appropriately doubtful that suburban parents could be frightened so easily.

Jeb Bush, at a conference of business leaders, confidently predicted that the high failure rates sure to be caused by Common Core would bring about “a rude awakening.” Why so much glee at the prospect of higher failure rates?.

I recently asked a friend who is a strong supporter of the standards why he was so confident that the standards would succeed, absent any real-world validation. His answer: “People I trust say so.” That’s not good enough for me.

Now that David Coleman, the architect of the Common Core standards, has become president of the College Board, we can expect that the SAT will be aligned to the standards. No one will escape their reach, whether they attend public or private school.

Is there not something unseemly about placing the fate and the future of American education in the hands of one man?

I hope for the sake of the nation that the Common Core standards are great and wonderful. I wish they were voluntary, not mandatory. I wish we knew more about how they will affect our most vulnerable students.

But since I do not know the answer to any of the questions that trouble me, I cannot support the Common Core standards.

I will continue to watch and listen. While I cannot support the Common Core standards, I will remain open to new evidence. If the standards help kids, I will say so. If they hurt them, I will say so. I will listen to their advocates and to their critics.

I will encourage my allies to think critically about the standards, to pay attention to how they affect students, and to insist, at least, that they do no harm.
dianeravitch.net/2013/02/26/why-i-cannot-support-the-common-core-standards/
are you Diane ravitch?

[boutons_deux]

What CC subjects would you allow the anti-govt secessionists drop and still give their students the OPPORTUNITY to meet CC's level of knowledge and competence?

"For grades K-8, grade-by-grade standards exist in English language arts/literacy and mathematics.

For grades 9-12, the standards are grouped into grade bands of 9-10 grade standards and 11-12 grade standards.While the standards set grade-specific goals, they do not define how the standards should be taught or which materials should be used to support students.

States and districts recognize that there will need to be a range of supports in place to ensure that all students, including those with special needs and English language learners, can master the standards. It is up to the states to define the full range of supports appropriate for these students.

No set of grade-specific standards can fully reflect the great variety of abilities, needs, learning rates, and achievement levels of students in any given classroom.

( aka ONE SIZE FITS ALL! :lol )

Importantly, the standards provide clear signposts along the way to the goal of college and career readiness for all students."

http://www.corestandards.org/read-the-standards/

http://www.corestandards.org/ELA-Literacy/

http://www.corestandards.org/Math/

That's really, really fundamental, general stuff, IF one isn't a Repug/redneck/conservative/Christian absolutely, vehemently, Confederate-ly BIASED and REVOLTING against anything and everything from the Federal govt (and contrary to the Fox/Repug LIES and HATE, CC is not FROM the Feds).

Do you allow total curriculum freewheeling at the district level, at the school level?, or do you let a state FORCE TOP-DOWN standards and curriculum on all schools in its state?

eg, in already-bottom-of-the-education-pile, high-dumb-teacher-churn TX' case, it's clear SBOE is peopled by Christian supremacist, anti-science, anti-education Taliban and right-wing anti-historical extremists with a fucked up PRAVDA AGENDA of indoctrination, not general education.

Scott Walker "teacher" qualification: "teachers don't need formal education, teachers can be people who had a career doin sumpin"

[boutons_deux]

All this redstate/VRWC/Repug/Fox/Christian BULLSHIT about Common Core is REALLY their strategy of destroying public education and teacher unions as source of Dem funding, so taxpayer $Ts are distributed to for-profit private schools.

Note that non-profit charters are often housed in taxpayer-funded facilities, others lease facilities from for-profit landlords, and outsource the bulk of their operations to for-profit contractors.

iow, "non-profit" charter school is a LIE.

You People are really, really intent on fucking up the country for profit.

[TeyshaBlue]

are you Diane ravitch?
Did you miss the link at the end?

lol UTA

[TeyshaBlue]

All this redstate/VRWC/Repug/Fox/Christian BULLSHIT about Common Core is REALLY their strategy of destroying public education and teacher unions as source of Dem funding, so taxpayer $Ts are distributed to for-profit private schools.

Note that non-profit charters are often housed in taxpayer-funded facilities, others lease facilities from for-profit landlords, and outsource the bulk of their operations to for-profit contractors.

iow, "non-profit" charter school is a LIE.

You People are really, really intent on fucking up the country for profit.

Youre a fucking loon. Do you not remember the last thread about this? Of course not.
:lol

[TeyshaBlue]

Ultimately though, my feeling is that magnet schools are the way to go...

This.

[m>s]

Did you miss the link at the end?

lol UTA


Nice edit homie

[TeyshaBlue]

There from the beginning, UTA.

[angrydude]

It's ironic that advocates of Common Core say it's designed to improve education so we can compete with those damn smart asian kids.

You want to know how those asians got so good at math and science?

They memorize hardcore. So much so that their creativity is stunted. Basically the complete opposite of common core.

[RandomGuy]

I have thought long and hard about the Common Core standards.

I have decided that I cannot support them.

In this post, I will explain why.

I have long advocated for voluntary national standards, believing that it would be helpful to states and districts to have general guidelines about what students should know and be able to do as they progress through school.

Such standards, I believe, should be voluntary, not imposed by the federal government; before implemented widely, they should be thoroughly tested to see how they work in real classrooms; and they should be free of any mandates that tell teachers how to teach because there are many ways to be a good teacher, not just one. I envision standards not as a demand for compliance by teachers, but as an aspiration defining what states and districts are expected to do. They should serve as a promise that schools will provide all students the opportunity and resources to learn reading and mathematics, the sciences, the arts, history, literature, civics, geography, and physical education, taught by well-qualified teachers, in schools led by experienced and competent educators.

​For the past two years, I have steadfastly insisted that I was neither for nor against the Common Core standards. I was agnostic. I wanted to see how they worked in practice. I wanted to know, based on evidence, whether or not they improve education and whether they reduce or increase the achievement gaps among different racial and ethnic groups.

After much deliberation, I have come to the conclusion that I can’t wait five or ten years to find out whether test scores go up or down, whether or not schools improve, and whether the kids now far behind are worse off than they are today.

I have come to the conclusion that the Common Core standards effort is fundamentally flawed by the process with which they have been foisted upon the nation.

The Common Core standards have been adopted in 46 states and the District of Columbia without any field test. They are being imposed on the children of this nation despite the fact that no one has any idea how they will affect students, teachers, or schools. We are a nation of guinea pigs, almost all trying an unknown new program at the same time.

Maybe the standards will be great. Maybe they will be a disaster. Maybe they will improve achievement. Maybe they will widen the achievement gaps between haves and have-nots. Maybe they will cause the children who now struggle to give up altogether. Would the Federal Drug Administration approve the use of a drug with no trials, no concern for possible harm or unintended consequences?

President Obama and Secretary Duncan often say that the Common Core standards were developed by the states and voluntarily adopted by them. This is not true.

They were developed by an organization called Achieve and the National Governors Association, both of which were generously funded by the Gates Foundation. There was minimal public engagement in the development of the Common Core. Their creation was neither grassroots nor did it emanate from the states.

​In fact, it was well understood by states that they would not be eligible for Race to the Top funding ($4.35 billion) unless they adopted the Common Core standards. Federal law prohibits the U.S. Department of Education from prescribing any curriculum, but in this case the Department figured out a clever way to evade the letter of the law. Forty-six states and the District of Columbia signed on, not because the Common Core standards were better than their own, but because they wanted a share of the federal cash. In some cases, the Common Core standards really were better than the state standards, but in Massachusetts, for example, the state standards were superior and well tested but were ditched anyway and replaced with the Common Core. The former Texas State Commissioner of Education, Robert Scott, has stated for the record that he was urged to adopt the Common Core standards before they were written.

The flap over fiction vs. informational text further undermined my confidence in the standards. There is no reason for national standards to tell teachers what percentage of their time should be devoted to literature or information. Both can develop the ability to think critically. The claim that the writers of the standards picked their arbitrary ratios because NAEP has similar ratios makes no sense. NAEP gives specifications to test-developers, not to classroom teachers.

I must say too that it was offensive when Joel Klein and Condoleeza Rice issued a report declaring that our nation’s public schools were so terrible that they were a “very grave threat to our national security.” Their antidote to this allegedly desperate situation: the untried Common Core standards plus charters and vouchers.

Another reason I cannot support the Common Core standards is that I am worried that they will cause a precipitous decline in test scores, based on arbitrary cut scores, and this will have a disparate impact on students who are English language learners, students with disabilities, and students who are poor and low-performing. A principal in the Mid-West told me that his school piloted the Common Core assessments and the failure rate rocketed upwards, especially among the students with the highest needs. He said the exams looked like AP exams and were beyond the reach of many students.

When Kentucky piloted the Common Core, proficiency rates dropped by 30 percent. The Chancellor of the New York Board of Regents has already warned that the state should expect a sharp drop in test scores.

What is the purpose of raising the bar so high that many more students fail?

Rick Hess opined that reformers were confident that the Common Core would cause so much dissatisfaction among suburban parents that they would flee their public schools and embrace the reformers’ ideas (charters and vouchers). Rick was appropriately doubtful that suburban parents could be frightened so easily.

Jeb Bush, at a conference of business leaders, confidently predicted that the high failure rates sure to be caused by Common Core would bring about “a rude awakening.” Why so much glee at the prospect of higher failure rates?.

I recently asked a friend who is a strong supporter of the standards why he was so confident that the standards would succeed, absent any real-world validation. His answer: “People I trust say so.” That’s not good enough for me.

Now that David Coleman, the architect of the Common Core standards, has become president of the College Board, we can expect that the SAT will be aligned to the standards. No one will escape their reach, whether they attend public or private school.

Is there not something unseemly about placing the fate and the future of American education in the hands of one man?

I hope for the sake of the nation that the Common Core standards are great and wonderful. I wish they were voluntary, not mandatory. I wish we knew more about how they will affect our most vulnerable students.

But since I do not know the answer to any of the questions that trouble me, I cannot support the Common Core standards.

I will continue to watch and listen. While I cannot support the Common Core standards, I will remain open to new evidence. If the standards help kids, I will say so. If they hurt them, I will say so. I will listen to their advocates and to their critics.

I will encourage my allies to think critically about the standards, to pay attention to how they affect students, and to insist, at least, that they do no harm.
dianeravitch.net/2013/02/26/why-i-cannot-support-the-common-core-standards/

For half a second there, I thought this was your work, until I saw the link at the bottom. Heh, you should set off long passages with quotes or links.

[RandomGuy]

Staying with something, even though results show it's not working is stupid too...not saying that common core will cure the nation's education system, not at all, but it replaces a system that hasn't worked for decades...

What if what was in place, was better than the standards of the Common Core? T.B.s posted bit said that was the case in at least one state.

On balance it was a well-written critique, unlike the twit in the OP's rambling about the cultural revolution.

[TeyshaBlue]

For half a second there, I thought this was your work, until I saw the link at the bottom. Heh, you should set off long passages with quotes or links.

I was on my phone. Im just damn lucky the link made it to the same thread. :lol

[RandomGuy]

I was on my phone. Im just damn lucky the link made it to the same thread. :lol

It was a good article though. Thanks, I did feel a bit better informed about the whole thing after reading it, and it didn't come off as a mindless polemic.

[boutons_deux]

"fundamentally flawed by the process with which they have been foisted upon the nation."

CC flawed by foisting? what does "foisting" have to with tainting the content and objectives of CC?

CC is optional, not FOISTED, as seen by retrograde, anti-education red states refusing to adopt them because right-wingers ideology keeps them stupid, ignorant, anti-education,anti-intellectual, anti-science.

"no one has any idea how they will affect students, teachers, or schools." really?

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2012/12/04/common-core-standards-early-results-from-kentucky-are-in

http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_quick.asp?i=1093

http://edex.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/publication/pdfs/FORINS%20FutureShock%20ReportHR_8.pdf

"There was minimal public engagement in the development of the Common Core."

The "public" aren't professional educators, teachers, and are a problem because 10Ms of them want to destroy public education, and 10Ms of them are ignorant Jaywalkers, and REALLY intense about blocking anything that expects to them to get smart.

The biggest problem I see with CC is that its HUGE transformation was expected to occur without adequate time and preparation of teachers, lesson plans, books, etc.

I usually a fan of Ravitch, but I think she's screwed up on trashing CC, eg, she's generally against the charter school scam.

[Nbadan]

What if what was in place, was better than the standards of the Common Core? T.B.s posted bit said that was the case in at least one state.

On balance it was a well-written critique, unlike the twit in the OP's rambling about the cultural revolution.

No one is making states follow common core....Texas doesn't....changes don't happen in education overnight....people expect quick results but for changes to really take effect could take a decade or two...then we will know if common core has been effective....again, I suspect that curriculum standards are only part of the problem in public education...we need to find a way to shift kids who want to learn away from kids who don't want to learn and use up tons of resources....that is why I favor stem schools and magnet schools....