Who faced tougher competition in their career, Jordan, Kobe, Lebrone

[Koolaid_Man]

I would like to hear honest assessments from knowledgeable fans...meaning I want virtually ZERO input from Spur fan...you guys have the shittiest asinine takes I've ever come across...No really....


I say LeBron has had the easiest competition of the three by far. Kobe the toughest because he had to guard both MJ and Lebron. :lol


Seriously I say MJ > Kobe> and then Lebron


MJ had to deal with the Lakers, Celtics, Bad Boy Pistons, Suns, and then the fucking ghetto ass jail house Knicks :lol....

Kobe had to deal with the powerhouse teams of the 2000's the Suns, Kings, Spurs....and fucking ghetto ass blunt Blazers :lol MJ and Kobe took way more physical abuse than Lebron...this nigga gets a cramp and he's pussying out...:lol

Lebron meanwhile has been playing on Sesame Street :lol and don't give me this crap about the jump shooting Spurs team that Lebron just faced....keep in mind the Spurs went 7 games and barely won against a fucking 8th seeded Mavs team. :lol then beat the Thunder who was injured in 6...

Lebron has played in a very weak Eastern Conference his entire career that being said he probably still had the hardest finals of the 3 because of how weak his conferences were...everyone knows in the Western conference the NBA finals is really the WCF....anything after that is a freebie...that's why the Spurs giving one back is such a fucking PRIZE and a JOKE....:lmao



Conclusion MJ- Kobe - Lebron end of story and it's how they should be ranked as well.

[weebo]

Duncan

[Clipper Nation]

:lol "Contenders" with players like Reggie Miller and John Starks as top-two options
:lol The shitty Nets, Pacers and one-man Sixers in the Finals
:lol The weak 2008-10 Western Conference

It's LeBron, no contest.

[unforeseen]

:lol "Contenders" with players like Reggie Miller and John Starks as top-two options
:lol The shitty Nets, Pacers and one-man Sixers in the Finals
:lol The weak 2008-10 Western Conference

It's LeBron, no contest.

I hate Kirby as much as anyone else but I would have Kirby facing tougher competition than Lebron at this point.

[CitizenDwayne]

1. Kobe
2. Lebron
3. Michael

[ImDaNuts]

Kobe, obviously.

[Clipper Nation]

I hate Kirby as much as anyone else but I would have Kirby facing tougher competition than Lebron at this point.

Yeah, that fraud of a Nuggets team that didn't even have inbounds plays was way better than the Spurs of the last two years.

[Thebesteva]

Yeah, that fraud of a Nuggets team that didn't even have inbounds plays was way better than the Spurs of the last two years.

Yeah, because Lebron had such an easy time with the Magic of 2009 and Celtics of 2008 and 2010 :lol

[djohn2oo8]

Yeah, because Lebron had such an easy time with the Magic of 2009 and Celtics of 2008 and 2010 :lol

:lol

[Clipper Nation]

Yeah, because Lebron had such an easy time with the Magic of 2009 and Celtics of 2008 and 2010 :lol

He didn't have an MVPau, Bynum or Odom to carry him past those teams. His individual performance in the '09 Magic series was insane (he averaged something like 39 PPG on 49% shooting with 8.3 RPG and 8 APG).

[Thebesteva]

He didn't have an MVPau, Bynum or Odom to carry him past those teams. His individual performance in the '09 Magic series was insane (he averaged something like 39 PPG on 49% shooting with 8.3 RPG and 8 APG).

By now you should know, I'm not really a 'Kobe' guy. I am more of a Phil Jackson fan, I think Phil's systems are interesting and he is the true genius behind the Lakers 5 championships and the Bulls 6. It's not a coincedence Kobe and Jordan were always just monkeyballers without Phil in their lives.

With that said, I think Lebron is a great player, but he has already been clearly exposed multiple times in his career for being a mental midget. The guy is a lot like Peyton Manning, the moment things don't go his way he pouts in a corner and doesn't want any part of the team. No matter how gifted Manning and Lebron are, they will never be like Kobe and Brady who are arrogant and unlikeable assholes, but they live to thrive in championship moments.

Lebron doesn't have that ability, it's an honest criticism.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol The Fivehead comparison is terrible. LeBron has always carried his teams on his back, Fivehead was dragged kicking and screaming to his only ring by his defense, as I've explained on here many times before. Manning has been responsible for nine one-and-dones in his career. Could you imagine the backlash LeBron would get if he lost in the first round of the playoffs nine times and had an under .500 playoff record?

Also, the argument that Kirby doesn't pout when things don't go his way and "lives to thrive in championship moments" is a LakersGround-esque take. Kirby was pouting on fucking draft day about the prospect of having to carry a small-market franchise and was too much of a mental midget to handle that responsibility, plus his threats to leave in free agency, his trade demands, etc. Was 6-24 "thriving" in a championship moment? What about taking 2004 out of the case by freezing out Shaq?

I do agree that Phil carried DK and Kirby, though. Pop is the only coach I'll rank over Phil all-time.

[lefty]

Kobe tbh, he had to play against his choking

Not to mention Faber was a tough matchup

[DMC]

When someone is good their competition doesn't seem so good. It's all relative. 2004 Pistons were a beast of a team that stomped the living shit out of 4 HOFers and a HOF coach the previous year. The 2008 Celtics could have taken a lot of the "strong" 80's and 90's teams. The Shaq era Lakers, I think, would have beaten the 72 win Bulls in the Finals.

[djohn2oo8]

:lol The Fivehead comparison is terrible. LeBron has always carried his teams on his back, Fivehead was dragged kicking and screaming to his only ring by his defense, as I've explained on here many times before. Manning has been responsible for nine one-and-dones in his career. Could you imagine the backlash LeBron would get if he lost in the first round of the playoffs nine times and had an under .500 playoff record?

Also, the argument that Kirby doesn't pout when things don't go his way and "lives to thrive in championship moments" is a LakersGround-esque take. Kirby was pouting on fucking draft day about the prospect of having to carry a small-market franchise and was too much of a mental midget to handle that responsibility, plus his threats to leave in free agency, his trade demands, etc. Was 6-24 "thriving" in a championship moment? What about taking 2004 out of the case by freezing out Shaq?

I do agree that Phil carried DK and Kirby, though. Pop is the only coach I'll rank over Phil all-time.

2011 Playoffs

1st Round against Philly

LeBron's "help"

Wade - 22.2 PPG/8.4 RBS/5.2 AST
Bosh - 19.8 PPG / 9 RBS

2nd Rnd Against Boston (Who owned LeBron before)

Wade - 30.2 PPG/6.8 RBS/4.8 AST/2.0 STEALS
Bosh - 12.8 PPG/10.2 RBS

Conference Finals against Chicago

Wade - 18.8 PPG/6.4 RBS
Bosh - 23.2 PPG/7.6 RBS

Finals (Dallas)

Wade - 26.5 PPG/7 RBS/5.2 ASTS
Bosh - 18.5 PPG/7.3 RBS

2012 1st Round against Knicks

Wade - 21 PPG
Bosh - 15.PPG/7.2 Rbs

2nd Round against Indy

Wade - 26.2 PPG/5.5 RBS
Bosh injured

Conference finals against Boston
Wade - 21.4 PPG/5.7 RBS
Bosh injured

Finals

Wade - 22.6 PPG/6 RBS/5.2 AST
Bosh - 14.6/9.4 RBS

NO, LeBron has not always carried the team by himself.

[Arcadian]

As usual, you have it all backwards koolaid, you stupid faggot. I've come to expect nothing else, though.

Jordan had what, Karl Mal:lolne?

2014 Spurs > anything Kobe or MJ ever faced

[DMC]

As usual, you have it all backwards koolaid, you stupid faggot. I've come to expect nothing else, though.

Jordan had what, Karl Mal:lolne?

2014 Spurs > anything Kobe or MJ ever faced:lol

[Thebesteva]

2011 Playoffs

1st Round against Philly

LeBron's "help"

Wade - 22.2 PPG/8.4 RBS/5.2 AST
Bosh - 19.8 PPG / 9 RBS

2nd Rnd Against Boston (Who owned LeBron before)

Wade - 30.2 PPG/6.8 RBS/4.8 AST/2.0 STEALS
Bosh - 12.8 PPG/10.2 RBS

Conference Finals against Chicago

Wade - 18.8 PPG/6.4 RBS
Bosh - 23.2 PPG/7.6 RBS

Finals (Dallas)

Wade - 26.5 PPG/7 RBS/5.2 ASTS
Bosh - 18.5 PPG/7.3 RBS

2012 1st Round against Knicks

Wade - 21 PPG
Bosh - 15.PPG/7.2 Rbs

2nd Round against Indy

Wade - 26.2 PPG/5.5 RBS
Bosh injured

Conference finals against Boston
Wade - 21.4 PPG/5.7 RBS
Bosh injured

Finals

Wade - 22.6 PPG/6 RBS/5.2 AST
Bosh - 14.6/9.4 RBS

NO, LeBron has not always carried the team by himself.

This idea that Lebron carried Wade and Bosh is hilarious. Lebron was monkey jizz without Wade and Bosh, he coincedentally joins Miami and wins 2 rings and now all of a sudden he carried those two to a ring?

The harsh reality is, basketball is a team sport, no one carries anyone to shit. Even without Robert Horry on those Laker 3peat teams would have cost Shaq and Kobe everything. It's a team game.

[Clipper Nation]

Lebron was monkey jizz without Wade and Bosh

Two MVP's and dragging a lottery team to the Finals as the alpha = "monkey jizz without Wade and Bosh"?

[Infinite_limit]

Wade > James

[Thebesteva]

Two MVP's and dragging a lottery team to the Finals as the alpha = "monkey jizz without Wade and Bosh"?

That Eastern Conference was an absolute joke and of course he was swept by the Spurs in 07. The only real threat he faced that year, the Pistons were seriously injured that year after making it to back to back finals and also the ECF for about 4-5 years in a row.

[SupremeGuy]

80s Jordan > Kirby > Lebron > 90s Jordan

To be honest.

[Malik Hairston]

2011 Playoffs

1st Round against Philly

LeBron's "help"

Wade - 22.2 PPG/8.4 RBS/5.2 AST
Bosh - 19.8 PPG / 9 RBS

2nd Rnd Against Boston (Who owned LeBron before)

Wade - 30.2 PPG/6.8 RBS/4.8 AST/2.0 STEALS
Bosh - 12.8 PPG/10.2 RBS

Conference Finals against Chicago

Wade - 18.8 PPG/6.4 RBS
Bosh - 23.2 PPG/7.6 RBS

Finals (Dallas)

Wade - 26.5 PPG/7 RBS/5.2 ASTS
Bosh - 18.5 PPG/7.3 RBS

2012 1st Round against Knicks

Wade - 21 PPG
Bosh - 15.PPG/7.2 Rbs

2nd Round against Indy

Wade - 26.2 PPG/5.5 RBS
Bosh injured

Conference finals against Boston
Wade - 21.4 PPG/5.7 RBS
Bosh injured

Finals

Wade - 22.6 PPG/6 RBS/5.2 AST
Bosh - 14.6/9.4 RBS

NO, LeBron has not always carried the team by himself.

Lebron is one of 3 players in NBA history to lead a team to a title with his #2 guy averaging 16 PPG or less, and he's also one of 3 players in league history to lead his team to a title while leading every major statistical category..

As far as winning a title "without help", it's impossible, but statistically, only 1994 Olajuwon and 2003 Duncan did more with less than 2013 Lebron and won a title..

[sook]

I hate Kirby as much as anyone else but I would have Kirby facing tougher competition than Lebron at this point.

Tori is a pornstar, but that 2nd chick is just so much sexier because she looks just like that catch you find at a party on that surreal night and have mind blowing sex with you never forget. The skirt, cleavage, panty shot all in that care-free "you know you want to fuck me" face. I'll go nut off in the corner now.

[Infinite_limit]

80s Jordan > Kirby > Lebron > 90s Jordan

To be honest.
90s Jordan single handily kept 5 of the 9 (Ewing, Malone, Barkley, Stockton and Mullin) members of the Dream Team from getting a Ring. Also defeated Magic and Drexler.

That's essentially defeating 6 of the 30 greatest players of All Time (Not counting Mullin)

[Infinite_limit]

James defeated: old Spurs trio, Thunder trio (nothing but potential thus far), Pistons and Rose :p:.

Kobe defeated: Blazers/Kings, young Spurs trio, and Celtics trio.

[SupremeGuy]

90s Jordan single handily kept 5 of the 9 (Ewing, Malone, Barkley, Stockton and Mullin) members of the Dream Team from getting a Ring. Also defeated Magic and Drexler.

That's essentially defeating 6 of the 30 greatest players of All Time (Not counting Mullin)You make it sound like they were all on the same team. lol The only threat to the Bulls were the Jazz, but even then no one thought they'd actually win. Be honest with yourself, 90s Jordan was the most protected player of all time.

[Raven]

i'd say kobe, i mean he had to face at least 15 players better than him..

[LkrFan]

:lol The Fivehead comparison is terrible. LeBron has always carried his teams on his back, Fivehead was dragged kicking and screaming to his only ring by his defense, as I've explained on here many times before. Manning has been responsible for nine one-and-dones in his career. Could you imagine the backlash LeBron would get if he lost in the first round of the playoffs nine times and had an under .500 playoff record?

Also, the argument that Kirby doesn't pout when things don't go his way and "lives to thrive in championship moments" is a LakersGround-esque take. Kirby was pouting on fucking draft day about the prospect of having to carry a small-market franchise and was too much of a mental midget to handle that responsibility, plus his threats to leave in free agency, his trade demands, etc. Was 6-24 "thriving" in a championship moment? What about taking 2004 out of the case by freezing out Shaq?

I do agree that Phil carried DK and Kirby, though. Pop is the only coach I'll rank over Phil all-time.

But Phil has the deed to Pop's ass H2H (besides having 6 MORE rangs). -20 points s:loln

[LkrFan]

2011 Playoffs

1st Round against Philly

LeBron's "help"

Wade - 22.2 PPG/8.4 RBS/5.2 AST
Bosh - 19.8 PPG / 9 RBS

2nd Rnd Against Boston (Who owned LeBron before)

Wade - 30.2 PPG/6.8 RBS/4.8 AST/2.0 STEALS
Bosh - 12.8 PPG/10.2 RBS

Conference Finals against Chicago

Wade - 18.8 PPG/6.4 RBS
Bosh - 23.2 PPG/7.6 RBS

Finals (Dallas)

Wade - 26.5 PPG/7 RBS/5.2 ASTS
Bosh - 18.5 PPG/7.3 RBS

2012 1st Round against Knicks

Wade - 21 PPG
Bosh - 15.PPG/7.2 Rbs

2nd Round against Indy

Wade - 26.2 PPG/5.5 RBS
Bosh injured

Conference finals against Boston
Wade - 21.4 PPG/5.7 RBS
Bosh injured

Finals

Wade - 22.6 PPG/6 RBS/5.2 AST
Bosh - 14.6/9.4 RBS

NO, LeBron has not always carried the team by himself.

:lolWNED - :downspin: this shiiiiiiiiiiit Clipper Nation

[LkrFan]

Yeah, because Lebron had such an easy time with the Magic of 2009 and Celtics of 2008 and 2010 :lol

:lmao

[LkrFan]

When someone is good their competition doesn't seem so good. It's all relative. 2004 Pistons were a beast of a team that stomped the living shit out of 4 HOFers and a HOF coach the previous year. The 2008 Celtics could have taken a lot of the "strong" 80's and 90's teams. The Shaq era Lakers, I think, would have beaten the 72 win Bulls in the Finals.Disagree with the bolded.

1) Shaq/Kobe would've had Rambis or some other fucktard on the sidelines - NOT Phillip Jackson

2) That 72-10 team lost those 10 games by a TOTAL of 10 points - that's INSANE

3) That 72-10 team had 1st team All NBA defenders at 3 positions in Pippen, Rodman, and Jordan plus 7'2" Luc Longley clogging the lane. They were a defensive juggernaut.

4) Only two teams that might beat them in a best of 7 were the '87 Lakers or '86 Celtics

So don't be pulling shit out ya ass like that. Shaq/Kobe couldn't get past Utah without Phil (the team MJ owned in the Finals). -15 AARP points, you old coot. :lol

[LkrFan]

That Eastern Conference was an absolute joke and of course he was swept by the Spurs in 07. The only real threat he faced that year, the Pistons were seriously injured that year after making it to back to back finals and also the ECF for about 4-5 years in a row.

:corn:

[JohnnyMax]

Unfair

Kobe was in the more difficult conference

[Koolaid_Man]

James defeated: old Spurs trio, Thunder trio (nothing but potential thus far), Pistons and Rose :p:.

Kobe defeated: Blazers/Kings, young Spurs trio, and Celtics trio.

Anyone that can honestly say that Lebron had it harder than Kobe or that Kobe had it harder than MJ are either morons or just started watching basketball.

The 2000's where a prime Kobe played was an absolute muthafucker. The conference was loaded for many years from top to bottom. For example the Spurs won a title and the very next year in 2000 they were eliminated by the Suns in the 1st round.....

Everyone was also scared Shitless to face ShaqKobe.....sure Shaq was a beast but the Spurs could neutralize him. The problem was two-fold ...and Pop would always say it....the problem was that teams had to double Shaq but they also had to double Kobe...leaving a prime Kobe in a one on one situation was like giving Steve Kerr or John Paxson a free throw....that's how tough a cover he was.

All those teams the Chris Webber lead Kings, the almost 60 win loaded Blazers, the fucking Sun's, the prime Spurs led by Tammy Tits, and the almost 60 win Jazz teams, and tough Sonics squad. You routinley had 6-8 teams in the West over 50 win teams whereas in the East it was only 2 or 3 teams like Miami, NY, and Indiana.

This is the same reason I agree with Barkley on analytics. Most of it is bullshit because it doesnt factor strength of schedule and toughness of opponents. Lebron had it easy very easy and so most if his stats and accomplishments are empty and pretty much meaningless to me......just how I see it....dude will never be in the class of MJ and Kobe...i dont care what yall say....:lmao

[LnGrrrR]

Tori is a pornstar, but that 2nd chick is just so much sexier because she looks just like that catch you find at a party on that surreal night and have mind blowing sex with you never forget. The skirt, cleavage, panty shot all in that care-free "you know you want to fuck me" face. I'll go nut off in the corner now.

cosigned

[Venti Quattro]

Kobe

:lmao Eastern Conference

[Venti Quattro]

Yeah, because Lebron had such an easy time with the Magic of 2009 and Celtics of 2008 and 2010 :lol

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/KobeDunking.png

[Koolaid_Man]

He didn't have an MVPau, Bynum or Odom to carry him past those teams. His individual performance in the '09 Magic series was insane (he averaged something like 39 PPG on 49% shooting with 8.3 RPG and 8 APG).

For people like you that just started watching basketball here's a good reminder of just how tough and good a prime Kobe was....watch it and weep....lol dude would have mopped the floor with a prime Lebron

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[Venti Quattro]

For people like you that just started watching basketball here's a good reminder of just how tough and good a prime Kobe was....watch it and weep....lol dude would have mopped the floor with a prime Lebron

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QWdsVQN_BE

[Koolaid_Man]

He was past his prime here but I love watching this one against a great defensive Boston team...

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[Venti Quattro]

He was past his prime here but I love watching this one against a great defensive Boston team...

2012 was the last of his prime arc, after losing to OKC, but that's just me. Maybe it was 2011 after losing to Dallas, but he wasn't past his prime in 2010.

[Koolaid_Man]

Here's another good one against a ton of tough covers past prime though....so not as applicable

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[Koolaid_Man]

2012 was the last of his prime arc, after losing to OKC, but that's just me. Maybe it was 2011 after losing to Dallas, but he wasn't past his prime in 2010.


Once a player hit 30 I say they're past....

[Koolaid_Man]

Kobe needed that Finals win against Boston though....his legacy would have been hurt had he dropped two to Boston when Magic beat them

[Venti Quattro]

Kobe needed that Finals win against Boston though....his legacy would have been hurt had he dropped two to Boston when Magic beat them

And the Lakers would be 2-10 against Boston. Lol that would hurt.

[unforeseen]

Tori is a pornstar, but that 2nd chick is just so much sexier because she looks just like that catch you find at a party on that surreal night and have mind blowing sex with you never forget. The skirt, cleavage, panty shot all in that care-free "you know you want to fuck me" face. I'll go nut off in the corner now.

WTF? :lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

LeBron didn't lift his game against the mavs in the finals, let alone the b2b years against the spurs in the finals

dunno whether LeBron face better competition, he played against bullshit in the east and cakewalk into the finals

as for Kirby...u cant compare him to alphas who carried their teams, coatriders need to be mention along the lines with 2nd bananas

[TDMVPDPOY]

as for Jordan 72-10...lol padding wins against expansion teams and pathetic easts, the bulls roster was stacked compared to the other teams in the east

look at how many teams that could've beated that record but chose to slow it down to get ready for the playoffs...