Red Auerbach

[100%duncan]

does he deserve to be in the G.O.A.T list?

[lefty]

Somewhat yes

[ElNono]

Somewhat yes

yes or not, faggot

[100%duncan]

yes or not, faggot

:lol

[Thebesteva]

He won during an era where you could smoke on the sidelines FFS

http://s3.amazonaws.com/filepicker-images-rapgenius/qhfRXcQTAyGgtJb71Iw9_RedAuerbach_original_display_ image%20(1).jpg

[lefty]

yes or not, faggot
:lol

[Arcadian]

Yep. I think of Red and Russell as an old-fashioned analogue of Pop and Duncan.

Red:Russell::Pop: Duncan

[RD2191]

yes or not, faggot
Rekt

[100%duncan]

Yep. I think of Red and Russell as an old-fashioned analogue of Pop and Duncan.

Red:Russell::Pop:Duncan

I think that's an insult to the guys in Texas imho

[lefty]

Malik Hairston :

"My grandmother could have coached a team to a title in the 60's :lmao"

[Thebesteva]

Malik Hairston (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18403) :

"My grandmother could have coached a team to a title in the 60's :lmao"

http://texashideout.tripod.com/scatman.jpg

[DMC]

One of the GOATs is pointless if you don't know how many GOATs there are. You're either the GOAT or you aren't. He's not, but he's up there.

[apalisoc_9]

He contributed a lot to basketball so yeah..

but even an high school coach knows more about ball than 60's guys..

Check out how they would utilize their players in the 60's and 70's...:lol

[ezau]

Elgin Baylor not being able to dribble with his left hand :lol

[spurraider21]

Malik Hairston (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18403) :

"My grandmother could have coached a team to a title in the 60's :lmao"
if you really want to make it accurate, throw in the word "antiquated" a few times tbh

[scanry]

He contributed a lot to basketball so yeah..

but even an high school coach knows more about ball than 60's guys..

Check out how they would utilize their players in the 60's and 70's...:lol

That's evolution tbh.

[lefty]

Elgin Baylor not being able to dribble with his left hand :lol:lol


if you really want to make it accurate, throw in the word "antiquated" a few times tbh
dammit

[Pelicans78]

Yes he is.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol There was like three other teams in the league during Auerbach's glory days. No, he's not one of the GOATs.

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What a disingenuous & bitter fuck though. As phony as a $3 bill. & cheap too, but, Media took care of him whenever the proverbial shit would hit the old Oscillator.

+ he could dish it, but, he could not take it.

[Cry Havoc]

What a disingenuous & bitter fuck though. As phony as a $3 bill. & cheap too, but, Media took care of him whenever the proverbial shit would hit the old Oscillator.

+ he could dish it, but, he could not take it.

You jes mad that the Lakeshow has to play 2nd fiddle.

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You jes mad that the Lakeshow has to play 2nd fiddle.

No. Because once we broke thru in '85 I discovered that instead of being genuine royalty, or, something special, he was just like everybody else:::could dish it, but, could not take it. Once we backed '85 with '87 it more or less killed that old man. All those fuckin' years we took it like a trooper, played the doormat as issued. Never bitched, took our medicine in the fine traditions, and then we was on top it killed him and his people.

[SupremeGuy]

He won during an era where you could smoke on the sidelines FFS

http://s3.amazonaws.com/filepicker-images-rapgenius/qhfRXcQTAyGgtJb71Iw9_RedAuerbach_original_display_ image%20(1).jpgThat's pretty fucking boss, tbh.

[DMC]

What a disingenuous & bitter fuck though. As phony as a $3 bill. & cheap too, but, Media took care of him whenever the proverbial shit would hit the old Oscillator.

+ he could dish it, but, he could not take it.

But he sure took you to the woodshed repeatedly, like a molesting father.

[DMC]

No. Because once we broke thru in '85 I discovered that instead of being genuine royalty, or, something special, he was just like everybody else:::could dish it, but, could not take it. Once we backed '85 with '87 it more or less killed that old man. All those fuckin' years we took it like a trooper, played the doormat as issued. Never bitched, took our medicine in the fine traditions, and then we was on top it killed him and his people.

Wait, so when the lakers win 2 years apart, they "backed". When the Spurs do it, they failed to defend their title. You're a two faced shit, Dale. Dish it, can't take it... you and Red, hand in hand.

[Cry Havoc]

Wait, so when the lakers win 2 years apart, they "backed". When the Spurs do it, they failed to defend their title. You're a two faced shit, Dale. Dish it, can't take it... you and Red, hand in hand.

http://vansunsportsblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/lapierre-woo.gif

[Malik Hairston]

Malik Hairston (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18403) :

"My grandmother could have coached a team to a title in the 60's :lmao"

:lmao my grandmothers never watched basketball, but my dog probably could have coached those teams, tbh..

[cd021]

If its coach + GM or President duties then Pat Reily.

He kind of had a perfect situation

-10 teams

-No Free Agency

-Keeper teams (players played for the same team until they were traded or retired)

that team was stacked with HOFers. It would have been difficult to not have success with those teams in that situation.

Later on:

-Drafted Bird

-He stole Perish and Mchale via a trade that helped them win 3 chips.

[DMC]

Guys thinking a team is some blister packed product a coach is handed... that's naive.

Great coaches have almost everything to do with the success of the team/franchise.

Guys living with mom, who can't finish Jr college in 5 years commenting on how easy Red had it... hilarious.

[RsxPiimp]

Guys thinking a team is some blister packed product a coach is handed... that's naive.

Great coaches have almost everything to do with the success of the team/franchise.

Guys living with mom, who can't finish Jr college in 5 years commenting on how easy Red had it... hilarious.
DMC you my white nigga

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Later on:

-Drafted Bird

The NBA changed the rule for him, then after he got Bird they changed the rule back.

[ambchang]

Auerbach made some significant progress in the league:
- Played players based on ability, not race. He's not the first one to do it, but he was the first one to have great success doing it
- Utilized Bill Russell's defense and outlet passes as the foundation for 11 titles
- Took advantage of Cousy's speed and ball handling to run fast breaks
- Built super teams by drafting smartly and developing specialized roles for his players
- Had great floor spacing by using outside shooters

Ultimately, the greatest coaches leave a mark on the league
- Daly emphasized the defensive aspect of the game
- Pop with the unconventional way of forcing players to the middle and taking advantage of the twin towers, integrating the motion offense, resting players and monitoring minutes
- Don Nelson with his unconventional lineups (that really led to nothing, but it was groundbreaking)
- Larry Brown and the way the offensive spacing was perfect, where screens were used precisely
- Pat Riley and his motivational tactics
- Phil Jackson and his ability to steal advanced concepts from Tex Winter and calls it his own
- Jack Ramsey and his emphasis on fitness
- Rudy T with that inside out offense taking advantage of Hakeem and shooters (copied by Lakers and Spurs, but he was ultimately a one-trick pony though).

Auerbach certainly belowed to the GOAT coaches list - Pop, Daly and Auerbach are my top 3, Riley and Jackson are the greatest rah rah guys, Brown the best X and O guy, and Nelson is the best alchemist.

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^I'm just grateful he lived long to bear witness 9 June 1985.

[ambchang]

^I'm just grateful he lived long to bear witness 9 June 1985.

Not long enough to see the Lakers tie it up though.

At this rate, nobody on this board would live long enough to see the Lakers have a .500 record vs. the Celtics in the Finals.

:lol 9-3

[Killakobe81]

Auerbach made some significant progress in the league:
- Played players based on ability, not race. He's not the first one to do it, but he was the first one to have great success doing it
- Utilized Bill Russell's defense and outlet passes as the foundation for 11 titles
- Took advantage of Cousy's speed and ball handling to run fast breaks
- Built super teams by drafting smartly and developing specialized roles for his players
- Had great floor spacing by using outside shooters

Ultimately, the greatest coaches leave a mark on the league
- Daly emphasized the defensive aspect of the game
- Pop with the unconventional way of forcing players to the middle and taking advantage of the twin towers, integrating the motion offense, resting players and monitoring minutes
- Don Nelson with his unconventional lineups (that really led to nothing, but it was groundbreaking)
- Larry Brown and the way the offensive spacing was perfect, where screens were used precisely
- Pat Riley and his motivational tactics
- Phil Jackson and his ability to steal advanced concepts from Tex Winter and calls it his own
- Jack Ramsey and his emphasis on fitness
- Rudy T with that inside out offense taking advantage of Hakeem and shooters (copied by Lakers and Spurs, but he was ultimately a one-trick pony though).

Auerbach certainly belowed to the GOAT coaches list - Pop, Daly and Auerbach are my top 3, Riley and Jackson are the greatest rah rah guys, Brown the best X and O guy, and Nelson is the best alchemist.

I like Daly but that is a bit high Riles or Phil deserves that spot. I do love the stole from Tex and called it his own shot though, funny stuff. Only in spurstalk.

DMC had the greatest line a few spots above yours. The older I get the more I vlue coaching. When I first started coaching or even as a kid I to believed that Anyone could win with Jordan, Bird, Shaq, Magic etc. But after watching these so called innovative coaches of the modern era Only Pop, RC, and believe it or not spo are the only coaches truly worth a shit and really Pop is from the era before this. I think Bud and Kerr can join that group but I need to see more. Doc, Vogel, Tibbs are solid but overrated tbh. And the rest are pretty shitty overall. I may have missed a coach here and there but I would take Red or Daly's corpse over the lot of 'em

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Not long enough to see the Lakers tie it up though.

At this rate, nobody on this board would live long enough to see the Lakers have a .500 record vs. the Celtics in the Finals.

:lol 9-3

Still, watching Stockton & Heinsohn face the music 9 June 1985 in MA. was sublime. You'd a thought somebody died.

tee, hee.

[ambchang]

Still, watching Stockton & Heinsohn face the music 9 June 1985 in MA. was sublime. You'd a thought somebody died.

tee, hee.

After the Lakers died 8 times.

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After the Lakers died 8 times.

True, but, that day, 9 June 1985 they died and they ain't ever gotten over it. They had to take it that day. & they had nary other choice.

[baseline bum]

- Pop with the unconventional way of forcing players to the middle and taking advantage of the twin towers, integrating the motion offense, resting players and monitoring minutes


???

Pop's entire defensive philosophy in the twin tower days was to deny middle penetration at any cost.

[ambchang]

???

Pop's entire defensive philosophy in the twin tower days was to deny middle penetration at any cost.

I meant forcing the players to the baseline. Away from the middle. My fault.

[ambchang]

True, but, that day, 9 June 1985 they died and they ain't ever gotten over it. They had to take it that day. & they had nary other choice.

June 17, 2008 disagree.

[Kool Bob Love]

Homie made a living beating the shit outta the lakers. Bless his heart.


http://youtu.be/UzJvC8US2g0

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June 17, 2008 disagree.

Didn't eradicate '85.

[ambchang]

Didn't eradicate '85.

85 sure didn't eradicate the previous 8.

[DMC]

85 sure didn't eradicate the previous 8.
No no NO you cannot re-use his reasoning. He gets to use it. It's his shit. Get your own shit.

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85 sure didn't eradicate the previous 8.

True, but it happened.

[Thread]

It's his shit. Get your own shit.

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[ambchang]

True, but it happened.

And so did 59, 62, 63, 65, 66, 68, 69, 84, and 08.

I mean, 3-9 vs. the Celtics in the Finals. Has any other franchise lost that many times to another franchise in the playoffs (let alone the finals)? This is total domination.

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And so did 59, 62, 63, 65, 66, 68, 69, 84, and 08.

I mean, 3-9 vs. the Celtics in the Finals. Has any other franchise lost that many times to another franchise in the playoffs (let alone the finals)? This is total domination.

Absolutely. But, 9 June 1985 we busted their hole on MA. soil. You'd a thought somebody died. tee, hee.

[ambchang]

Absolutely. But, 9 June 1985 we busted their hole on MA. soil. You'd a thought somebody died. tee, hee.

It's like that for every loser in the Finals.

[Brazil]

Guys thinking a team is some blister packed product a coach is handed... that's naive.

Great coaches have almost everything to do with the success of the team/franchise.

Guys living with mom, who can't finish Jr college in 5 years commenting on how easy Red had it... hilarious.

this tbh

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It's like that for every loser in the Finals.

But, they were CBS's' announcers, not Most and supposed unbiased...tee, hee.

[ambchang]

But, they were CBS's' announcers, not Most and supposed unbiased...tee, hee.

Acting like ESPN hasn't been propping up the lakers for the entire 00's.

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Acting like ESPN hasn't been propping up the lakers for the entire 00's.

You got no room. Aside from me nobody uttered a peep about 6.

[ambchang]

You got no room. Aside from me nobody uttered a peep about 6.

Are you kidding? That Ray allen shot got played more than any other play the last two years.

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Are you kidding? That Ray allen shot got played more than any other play the last two years.

That's the Ray Allen end. He didn't get that via osmosis.

[ambchang]

That's the Ray Allen end. He didn't get that via osmosis.

It highlights the failure of the Spurs to close that game in 6.

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It highlights the failure of the Spurs to close that game in 6.

That was Amy Duncan, daddy.

[ambchang]

That was Amy Duncan, daddy.

Amy took 11 and 12 away as duncan was playing like crap those two seasons. She has nothing to do with 13 as duncan just beasted that year and through the playoffs.

We know Faber cost the lakers the 04 title though.

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Amy took 11 and 12 away as duncan was playing like crap those two seasons. She has nothing to do with 13 as duncan just beasted that year and through the playoffs.

We know Faber cost the lakers the 04 title though.

Your's was in the case. In there. Madison Avenue was selling your shit on the TV.

He shoulda gave the her money when she asked. But, like you fellows say,,,he had the prenup.

tee, hee.

[ambchang]

Your's was in the case. In there. Madison Avenue was selling your shit on the TV.

He shoulda gave the her money when she asked. But, like you fellows say,,,he had the prenup.

tee, hee.

Unless you want to say amy had anything to do with the Spurs not getting the rebound with duncan off the court or Allen hitting that three, your entire argument falls apart.

Explain in detail, preferably in sequence how amy led to the Spurs losing in 13, and specifically the finals.

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Unless you want to say amy had anything to do with the Spurs not getting the rebound with duncan off the court or Allen hitting that three, your entire argument falls apart.

Explain in detail, preferably in sequence how amy led to the Spurs losing in 13, and specifically the finals.

She demanded A. a divorce & B. her money. C. Tim got his back up & his pre nup outta the Safe Deposit Box and threw it in her face. D. She went to the Media. E. Spurs Championship Gear hit the airwaves. E. Battier broke his hole. F. I pulled the Lazy Boy Handle. G. Kobe: 5 the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4.

Let us proceed...

[ambchang]

She demanded A. a divorce & B. her money. C. Tim got his back up & his pre nup outta the Safe Deposit Box and threw it in her face. D. She went to the Media. E. Spurs Championship Gear hit the airwaves. E. Battier broke his hole. F. I pulled the Lazy Boy Handle. G. Kobe: 5 the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4.

Let us proceed...

But those are just things that happened in sequence. The Spurs had the championship "in the bag" before the Allen 3. Duncan was sitting on the bench and Allen nailed the three, how was that related to Amy?

Duncan had a monster game in both Games 6 and 7, she also filed for divorce well before those games, and the Spurs still went up 3-2 in the series before then.

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But those are just things that happened in sequence. The Spurs had the championship "in the bag" before the Allen 3. Duncan was sitting on the bench and Allen nailed the three, how was that related to Amy?

Bottom line:::if they were still hitched your three peat would be imminent.

[ambchang]

Bottom line:::if they were still hitched your three peat would be imminent.

I disagree. Duncan was horrible when they were hitched and played phenomenal once she filed the divorce.

You have it reversed.

[100%duncan]

I disagree. Duncan was horrible when they were hitched and played phenomenal once she filed the divorce.

You have it reversed.

Leave it to that old fart who wasn't here to take the shit the whole summer.

[Kool Bob Love]

Bottom line:::if they were still hitched your three peat would be imminent.

Promises, promises.

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I disagree. Duncan was horrible when they were hitched and played phenomenal once she filed the divorce.

You have it reversed.

tee, hee.

[Thread]

Promises, promises.

I'm a trend setter.

I set trends.

[Expert]

Bottom line:::if they were still hitched your three peat would be imminent.
Before the divorce there was no hope of a ring. Now you're talking 3peat. 2008 - 2012, nothing. Divorce happens, b2b Finals and a ring. You do the math.

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Before the divorce there was no hope of a ring. Now you're talking 3peat. 2008 - 2012, nothing. Divorce happens, b2b Finals and a ring. You do the math.

You got 1 in the fuckin' winds because of that divorce, dad. They were sellin' your ring wampum on the fuckin' television. And you're gonna argue with me?

[ambchang]

tee, hee.

Apology accepted.