Tony Parker's scoring production in the postseason

[JohnnyMax]

Parker's scoring production has increased in the postseason in 12 of his 13 playoff runs:

2001-02 - Regular Sesason: 9.2/4.3 | Playoffs 15.5/4.0 (+6.3)
2002-03 - Regular Sesason: 15.5/5.3 | Playoffs 14.7/3.5 (-0.8)
2003-04 - Regular Sesason: 14.7/5.5 | Playoffs 18.4/7.0 (+3.7)
2004-05 - Regular Sesason: 16.6/6.1 | Playoffs 17.2/4.3 (+0.6)
2005-06 - Regular Sesason: 18.9/5.8 | Playoffs 21.1/3.8 (+2.2)
2006-07 - Regular Sesason: 18.6/5.5 | Playoffs 20.8/5.8 (+2.2)
2007-08 - Regular Sesason: 18.8/6.0 | Playoffs 22.4/6.1 (+3.6)
2008-09 - Regular Sesason: 22.0/6.9 | Playoffs 28.6/6.8 (+6.6)
2009-10 - Regular Sesason: 16.0/5.7 | Playoffs 17.3/5.4 (+1.3)
2010-11 - Regular Sesason: 17.5/6.6 | Playoffs 19.7/5.2 (+2.2)
2011-12 - Regular Sesason: 18.3/7.7 | Playoffs 20.1/6.8 (+1.8)
2012-13 - Regular Sesason: 20.3/7.6 | Playoffs 20.6/7.0 (+0.3)
2013-14 - Regular Sesason: 16.7/5.7 | Playoffs 17.4/4.8 (+0.7)

...whereas a guy like Duncan's scoring decreased in the postseason in '98, '04, & '11 (3 out of his 16 playoff runs). I think there are people on this board that think that Parker actually scores less in the playoffs than in the regular season. Just like there are people who think he actually hasn't led our team in scoring the past 3 regular seasons and playoffs, which of course resulted in 3 trips to the WCF, 2 trips to the Finals, and 1 NBA Championship (along with having a top 3 regular season record those years, 2 of them being #1).

[ElNono]

I would think Per 36 would be a better indicator, since his minutes increase quite a bit for the playoffs... haven't looked at what those numbers look like, but my recollection is that Tony has always been fairly steady until last season, tbh

[Johnny RIngo]

Efficiency:

.550 TS% - regular season
.518 TS% - post season

[K...]

Efficiency:

.550 TS% - regular season
.518 TS% - post season

Is that the stat that includes assists and FT's? Yeah that one is not Tony's best at. but it's ok if you think thats the best. It's not like Tony has stopped the Spurs from winning too many titles. His streak of ruining us from 2008 to 2013 was pretty impressive though

[ducks]

spurs get alot of hockey assist but those do not help tp's assist

[ducks]

duncan is a big guy and in a half court game his stats should be better

[SASdynasty!]

spurs get alot of hockey assist but those do not help tp's assist

Yep

[ducks]

when was the last time you heard an opposing team say you stop duncan you stop the spurs
heard last year you stop tp you stop the engine of the spurs
game plans were to stop tp not duncan

[TheGreatYacht]

MVParker, Alpha :tu

[Clipper Nation]

Efficiency:

.550 TS% - regular season
.518 TS% - post season

[K...]

you can have those stats...I'm taking 4 time champ, 1 FMVP.

[itzsoweezee]

you can have those stats...I'm taking 4 time champ, 1 FMVP.

You're truly a moron.

[K...]

such bitterness. When did Parker hurt you?

[K...]

You're truly a moron.

Here, let me earn your respect:

Efficiency:

.550 TS% - regular season
.518 TS% - post season

[TheGreatYacht]

You're truly a moron.
This man's a cock sucker

[Perry Mason]

TS% is the last refuge of the Kobe fan. Free throws are just too mercurial and ref-based to ever be considered a key stat for winning. Especially in the playoffs, where calls are harder to get. In the 4th quarter of a tight game, I would much rather have a better finisher than a player that is better at putting his head down and bull charging the basket looking for a call.

See James Harden's whining about the recent Grizz game. Half of his game is hunching over like a chimp swinging his arms into others to troll for a call. Sometimes the refs just aren't going to give it to him.

[jag]

http://i.imgur.com/A3qMXEM.jpg

[Diego20]

http://i.imgur.com/A3qMXEM.jpg

Why are you talking about Manu? This an Enrique thread, and we all know Manu sucked in the 2013 finals..

Enrique tard :lmao

[jag]

Why are you talking about Manu? This an Enrique thread, and we all know Manu sucked in the 2013 finals..

Enrique tard :lmao

Manu didn't just suck, you retarded argie. Manu was the #1 reason for the Spurs not winning that championship. This thread slowly turned into a discussion about playoff failure. I figured we should talk about the biggest failure of them all.

[Diego20]

http://i.imgur.com/A3qMXEM.jpg


TP 2013 finals:

Game 2 : 5-14 FG , 5 turnovers , -27

Game 6: 6-23 FG

Game 7: 3-12 FG, 2 turnovers , -4


TP Last two games of the 2013 finals: 9-35 :lmao - TP in losses 21-65 FG :lmao - 32% FG in losses :lmao

Manu last two games of the 2013 finals 8-17

[jag]

TP 2013 finals:

Game 2 : 5-14 FG , 5 turnovers , -27

Game 6: 6-23 FG

Game 7: 3-12 FG, 2 turnovers , -4


TP Last two games of the 2013 finals: 9-35 :lmao

Manu last two games of the 2013 finals 8-17

:lol and in Game 6, Manu still had more turnovers (8) than Tony did during the three games you posted.

:lol too stupid to remember that Tony played that entire series hurt (after the first game) and still managed to carry Manu's worthless ass for 5 games.

[romain.star]

TP 2013 finals:

Game 2 : 5-14 FG , 5 turnovers , -27

Game 6: 6-23 FG

Game 7: 3-12 FG, 2 turnovers , -4


TP Last two games of the 2013 finals: 9-35 :lmao

Manu last two games of the 2013 finals 8-17

So... you are a Spur fan who finds it :lmao (--> hilarious) when a player from your favorite team shoots 9-35 during NBA Finals

Does that make any sense?

[Diego20]

:lol and in Game 6, Manu still had more turnovers (8) than Tony did during the three games you posted.

:lol too stupid to remember that Tony played that entire series hurt (after the first game) and still managed to carry Manu's worthless ass for 5 games.


6-23 FG is almost as bad if not worse than 8 turnovers.

oh boy here we go again with the injury excuses..

21-65 FG in Losses :lmao

[jag]

He's a manu fan, not a Spurs fan. It's the only way to explain the level of retardation that would allow someone to overlook Manu's performance during the 2013 Finals.

[Diego20]

So... you are a Spur fan who finds it :lmao (--> hilarious) when a player from your favorite team shoots 9-35 during NBA Finals

Does that make any sense?

I'm laughing at jag who is a Parker tard that thinks Manu was the only reason we lost the 2013 finals.

[Diego20]

He's a manu fan, not a Spurs fan. It's the only way to explain the level of retardation that would allow someone to overlook Manu's performance during the 2013 Finals.

You are a Parker fan, that explains all..

6-23 game 6
3-12 game 7

21-65 in losses..

[jag]

6-23 FG is almost as bad if not worse than 8 turnovers.



In one game? Just stop, son. stop

[jag]

You are a Parker fan, that explains all..



I'm actually a Spurs fan. I'm just not full blown retarded.

[Diego20]

In one game? Just stop, son. stop

Go find someone else that had 6-23 in a NBA final game, just stop, stop.

and 21-65 in losses.

[Dex]

I'm not jumping on the TP Bashing Bandwagon here, but I'll play devil's advocate for a moment.

Most reasonable Spurs fans will acknowledge that Parker raises his scoring in the playoffs, as evidenced. The problem is that raising your scoring doesn't always equate to raising your game. Look at ol' Chuckbrook who has put up 43 points per game for the last 4 games en route to 2-2 record.

The problem with Parker is that his efficiency drops considerably in the playoffs, but he still tries to put the team on his back and lead them in scoring. This results in taking more shots at a worse clip, and it's debatable that is a detriment to the team as a whole.

Parker's Field Goal Percentage, regular season vs. playoffs:

Season FG% Playoff FG%
2001-02 0.419 0.456
2002-03 0.464 0.403
2003-04 0.447 0.429
2004-05 0.482 0.454
2005-06 0.548 0.460
2006-07 0.520 0.480
2007-08 0.494 0.497
2008-09 0.506 0.546
2009-10 0.487 0.474
2010-11 0.519 0.462
2011-12 0.480 0.453
2012-13 0.522 0.458
2013-14 0.499 0.486
Career - 0.493 0.463

Only three seasons has Parker shot a better percentage in the playoffs than the regular season: his rookie year (02), and 08-09 when he was at his peak. Otherwise, his playoff FG% has been significantly lower pretty much across the board. Of course, part of this can be credited to the fact that defenses buckle down in the playoffs, the lane closes, and as others have stated, many teams game plan against Tony specifically as the "head of the snake". These things will inevitably lead to lower percentages, but the fact that these percentages correspond with high scoring numbers equates to one thing: Tony is forcing more shots.

I appreciate Tony wanting to be a star and a leader for this team. But I also recognize that when he was forced to take a backseat on the scoring role due to injury last postseason and became more of a facilitator, the Spurs became one of the most beautiful basketball teams the world has seen. When he is healthy, Tony can be a great scorer, but the question for him has always been, and remains to be, where to find the balance.

[TheGreatYacht]

He's a manu fan, not a Spurs fan. It's the only way to explain the level of retardation that would allow someone to overlook Manu's performance during the 2013 Finals.
Just ignore Clipper Nation's Alt. It kills her when you pay no attention :lol

[SASdynasty!]

Go find someone else that had 6-23 in a NBA final game, just stop, stop.

Here are a dozen Finals performances that were worse:

Russell Westbrook: 4/20 (6/21/12)
Chris Bosh: 4/16 (6/2/11)
Kobe Bryant: 6/24 (6/17/10)
Tim Duncan: 4/15 (6/14/07)
Lebron James: 4/16 (6/7/07)
Jason Kidd: 4/17 (6/4/03)
Kobe Bryant: 4/20 (6/16/00)
Reggie Miller: 1/16 (6/7/00)
Scottie Pippen: 2/16 (6/12/98)
Michael Jordan: 5/19 (6/16/96)
John Starks: 2/18 (6/22/94)
Magic Johnson: 4/15 (6/16/88)

There are dozens of other guys that did it...I'm just giving you the superstars that did...and a bunch of these guys did it multiple times.

[SASdynasty!]

I'm not jumping on the TP Bashing Bandwagon here, but I'll play devil's advocate for a moment.

Most reasonable Spurs fans will acknowledge that Parker raises his scoring in the playoffs, as evidenced. The problem is that raising your scoring doesn't always equate to raising your game. Look at ol' Chuckbrook who has put up 43 points per game for the last 4 games en route to 2-2 record.

The problem with Parker is that his efficiency drops considerably in the playoffs, but he still tries to put the team on his back and lead them in scoring. This results in taking more shots at a worse clip, and it's debatable that is a detriment to the team as a whole.

Parker's Field Goal Percentage, regular season vs. playoffs:

Season FG% Playoff FG%
2001-02 0.419 0.456
2002-03 0.464 0.403
2003-04 0.447 0.429
2004-05 0.482 0.454
2005-06 0.548 0.460
2006-07 0.520 0.480
2007-08 0.494 0.497
2008-09 0.506 0.546
2009-10 0.487 0.474
2010-11 0.519 0.462
2011-12 0.480 0.453
2012-13 0.522 0.458
2013-14 0.499 0.486
Career - 0.493 0.463

Only three seasons has Parker shot a better percentage in the playoffs than the regular season: his rookie year (02), and 08-09 when he was at his peak. Otherwise, his playoff FG% has been significantly lower pretty much across the board. Of course, part of this can be credited to the fact that defenses buckle down in the playoffs, the lane closes, and as others have stated, many teams game plan against Tony specifically as the "head of the snake". These things will inevitably lead to lower percentages, but the fact that these percentages correspond with high scoring numbers equates to one thing: Tony is forcing more shots.

I appreciate Tony wanting to be a star and a leader for this team. But I also recognize that when he was forced to take a backseat on the scoring role due to injury last postseason and became more of a facilitator, the Spurs became one of the most beautiful basketball teams the world has seen. When he is healthy, Tony can be a great scorer, but the question for him has always been, and remains to be, where to find the balance.
I agree with this post for the most part, except for where you said he was forced to take a backseat on the scoring role. If you mean that he scored less than he has in some playoff runs of his, yes. But he still led the team in scoring in the regular season, postseason, and Finals. There may not have been as big of a gap between his scoring and the rest of the team's as there was in the 2 years prior, but it's not like he took a backseat as in someone else actually scored more than him.

[Diego20]

Here are a dozen Finals performances that were worse:

Russell Westbrook: 4/20 (6/21/12)
Chris Bosh: 4/16 (6/2/11)
Kobe Bryant: 6/24 (6/17/10)
Tim Duncan: 4/15 (6/14/07)
Lebron James: 4/16 (6/7/07)
Jason Kidd: 4/17 (6/4/03)
Kobe Bryant: 4/20 (6/16/00)
Reggie Miller: 1/16 (6/7/00)
Scottie Pippen: 2/16 (6/12/98)
Michael Jordan: 5/19 (6/16/96)
John Starks: 2/18 (6/22/94)
Magic Johnson: 4/15 (6/16/88)

There are dozens of other guys that did it...I'm just giving you the superstars that did...and a bunch of these guys did it multiple times.

Only Kobe shot above 23 shots though.

What about 9-35 in the last two games? 21-65 FG in losses?

[Diego20]

Just ignore Clipper Nation's Alt. It kills her when you pay no attention :lol

Clippers is from Argentina?

Must be the only Clippers fan Argie..

[lefty]

:lol Enrique tards getting obliterated

[SASdynasty!]

Only Kobe shot above 23 shots though.

What about 9-35 in the last two games? 21-65 FG in losses?
Hey, if 19 pts, 8 ast, with 0 turnovers, including one of the most clutch sequences in Finals history is a terrible Parker performance, then I'm not sure what else to say. Yah, he had a bad shooting night...and made up for it with a game-tying 3, a steal on the next play, and a go-ahead bucket with under a minute left.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPxEmxKf0Dc

[DAF86]

Manu's fuckups on the 2013 finals are greatly overrated or maybe not, maybe they are correctly rated but their fuckups mask the fuckups of other two Spurs that were just as costly as his. Pop's decisions (mainly not playing Boris enough) and Parker's dissapearing act in games 6 and 7.

[SASdynasty!]

Manu's fuckups on the 2013 finals are greatly overrated or maybe not, maybe they are correctly rated but their fuckups mask the fuckups of other two Spurs that were just as costly as his. Pop's decisions (mainly not playing Boris enough) and Parker's dissapearing act in games 6 and 7.
Yah, but let's please keep Game 6 in perspective. Let's not act like Manu didn't disappear on a MUCH greater scale:

Game 6
Tony Parker: 19 pts, 8 ast, 0 TO, +8 overall
Manu Ginobili: 9 pts, 3 ast, 8 TO, -21 overall

Along with Manu going 1/5 for 5 pts and -22 in Game 4.
Or Manu going for 7 pts in Game 3.
Or Manu going 2/6 for 5 pts and 3 TOs and -23 in Game 2.

Let's please not compare Parker and Ginobili's 2013 Finals...Manu "disappeared" for 4 games in that series and literally put up more points as Parker ONE time.

[DAF86]

Yah, but let's please keep Game 6 in perspective. Let's not act like Manu didn't disappear on a MUCH greater scale:

Game 6
Tony Parker: 19 pts, 8 ast, 0 TO, +8 overall
Manu Ginobili: 9 pts, 3 ast, 8 TO, -21 overall

What bothers me most about Tony that game was how he started chucking up double digits at the end of the 3rd/start of the 4th. He was gunning for that finals MVP and let the Heat back in the game.

[MateoNeygro]

wtf is with this board? Why does everyone have to hate on either Manu or Parker? Can you not root for both? I mean jesus-fucking-christ, it's getting so old. The Spurs need them both and I sincerely hope that they both play well every game. Sure I get frustrated but I sure as hell don't get on this board to bash one or the other. I honestly don't understand this new breed of "fan". If you are a Spur I'm a fan. If they play poorly I criticize a little but I move on. Both have played incredibly well and both have sucked ass. It's human.

[SASdynasty!]

What bothers me most about Tony that game was how he started chucking up double digits at the end of the 3rd/start of the 4th. He was gunning for that finals MVP and let the Heat back in the game.
I love revisionist history. In the last 2 minutes of the 3rd quarter, Parker went 1/3 (the last shot being at the buzzer) and drew a charge...his only misses coming after Allen hits him in the face. Then, he WASN'T EVEN IN THE GAME to start the 4th quarter...he didn't even come in until 5 almost 5 minutes into the 4th, when the Spurs 10 point lead (when Parker left at the end of the third) was cut down to 3. Parker's FIRST SHOT in the 4th quarter came with 3:33 left in the game. Parker went 2/4 in the 4th for 5 points (the tying 3 and the go-ahead 2).

[DAF86]

I love revisionist history. In the last 2 minutes of the 3rd quarter, Parker went 1/3 (the last shot being at the buzzer) and drew a charge...his only misses coming after Allen hits him in the face. Then, he WASN'T EVEN IN THE GAME to start the 4th quarter...he didn't even come in until 5 almost 5 minutes into the 4th, when the Spurs 10 point lead (when Parker left at the end of the third) was cut down to 3. Parker's FIRST SHOT in the 4th quarter came with 3:33 left in the game. Parker went 2/4 in the 4th for 5 points (the tying 3 and the go-ahead 2).

http://espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=400467338&period=3

Parker went 1 of 5 to end the 3rd but that's not the whole story, I remember vividly screaming at the TV for Parker to stop chucking and continuing with the ball movement that got us there.

[SASdynasty!]

wtf is with this board? Why does everyone have to hate on either Manu or Parker? Can you not root for both? I mean jesus-fucking-christ, it's getting so old. The Spurs need them both and I sincerely hope that they both play well every game. Sure I get frustrated but I sure as hell don't get on this board to bash one or the other. I honestly don't understand this new breed of "fan". If you are a Spur I'm a fan. If they play poorly I criticize a little but I move on. Both have played incredibly well and both have sucked ass. It's human.
It's just a response to the ridiculous Parker bashing and baseless accusations that I've been seeing for like 2 years on this thread (just got approved to post like yesterday). I'm in complete agreement with you that they are both great players and have both had bad series, but when people just make things up like "Parker was gunning for FMVP at the beginning of the 4th quarter in G6" when he wasn't even in the game, it gets ridiculous and begs to be corrected. Just go buy the game on iTunes or whatever if you haven't seen it in a while so you can watch it again... Then sometimes people try to lay all the blame on one player and the only way to show them how silly that is is to simply point out another player that was much worse. It's not that Manu isn't great...he is, and he's been a huge part of the titles...but each player carries weight and Ginobili happened to have his only career 8-TO game that day. Parker had one of his worst shooting performances in the playoffs that day. Duncan went 0-5 for 0 pts in the 4th quarter and overtime, which is very unlike him to close out a championship. Danny Green went 1-7 and Gary Neal went 2-7 that day. Pop made what in hindsight looks like a coaching mistake in not having your best rebounder in at the end of regulation or not calling timeout at the end of overtime to run a play to win the championship, which led to us not even getting a shot at the rim. Lots of mistakes to point to, so I'm with you...it definitely doesn't all fall on one player or on Pop. Losing is a team effort, just like winning.

[SASdynasty!]

Duncan went 0-4 in a 5 minute stretch in the 4TH quarter...was he gunning for FMVP as well?

[ElNono]

I'm not jumping on the TP Bashing Bandwagon here, but I'll play devil's advocate for a moment.

Most reasonable Spurs fans will acknowledge that Parker raises his scoring in the playoffs, as evidenced. The problem is that raising your scoring doesn't always equate to raising your game. Look at ol' Chuckbrook who has put up 43 points per game for the last 4 games en route to 2-2 record.

The problem with Parker is that his efficiency drops considerably in the playoffs, but he still tries to put the team on his back and lead them in scoring. This results in taking more shots at a worse clip, and it's debatable that is a detriment to the team as a whole.

Parker's Field Goal Percentage, regular season vs. playoffs:

Season FG% Playoff FG%
2001-02 0.419 0.456
2002-03 0.464 0.403
2003-04 0.447 0.429
2004-05 0.482 0.454
2005-06 0.548 0.460
2006-07 0.520 0.480
2007-08 0.494 0.497
2008-09 0.506 0.546
2009-10 0.487 0.474
2010-11 0.519 0.462
2011-12 0.480 0.453
2012-13 0.522 0.458
2013-14 0.499 0.486
Career - 0.493 0.463

Only three seasons has Parker shot a better percentage in the playoffs than the regular season: his rookie year (02), and 08-09 when he was at his peak. Otherwise, his playoff FG% has been significantly lower pretty much across the board. Of course, part of this can be credited to the fact that defenses buckle down in the playoffs, the lane closes, and as others have stated, many teams game plan against Tony specifically as the "head of the snake". These things will inevitably lead to lower percentages, but the fact that these percentages correspond with high scoring numbers equates to one thing: Tony is forcing more shots.

I appreciate Tony wanting to be a star and a leader for this team. But I also recognize that when he was forced to take a backseat on the scoring role due to injury last postseason and became more of a facilitator, the Spurs became one of the most beautiful basketball teams the world has seen. When he is healthy, Tony can be a great scorer, but the question for him has always been, and remains to be, where to find the balance.

Example of a Manutard hater here... you forget that Tony was injured most of those times.

Now let's talk about RIP Manu 2009-2013...

[DAF86]

Duncan went 0-4 in a 5 minute stretch in the 4TH quarter...was he gunning for FMVP as well?

Nope, that's why you watch the games.

[ElNono]

Anybody remembers if Manu pulled the injury excuse for the 2013 Finals, tbh?

[Cry Havoc]

wtf is with this board? Why does everyone have to hate on either Manu or Parker? Can you not root for both? I mean jesus-fucking-christ, it's getting so old. The Spurs need them both and I sincerely hope that they both play well every game. Sure I get frustrated but I sure as hell don't get on this board to bash one or the other. I honestly don't understand this new breed of "fan". If you are a Spur I'm a fan. If they play poorly I criticize a little but I move on. Both have played incredibly well and both have sucked ass. It's human.

Because people think it's edgy to act like 12 year olds and troll the forum. Period. Sure there are SOME fans who don't particularly care for Manu, and some who actually don't like Parker. But most are either trying to stroke their epeen on a basketball forum, or aren't actually Spurs fans.

[SASdynasty!]

Nope, that's why you watch the games.
Convenient that that doesn't apply there.

[SASdynasty!]

Anybody remembers if Manu pulled the injury excuse for the 2013 Finals, tbh?
I guess that was the redeeming aspect of the series for him?

[Diego20]

Yah, but let's please keep Game 6 in perspective. Let's not act like Manu didn't disappear on a MUCH greater scale:

Game 6
Tony Parker: 19 pts, 8 ast, 0 TO, +8 overall
Manu Ginobili: 9 pts, 3 ast, 8 TO, -21 overall

Along with Manu going 1/5 for 5 pts and -22 in Game 4.
Or Manu going for 7 pts in Game 3.
Or Manu going 2/6 for 5 pts and 3 TOs and -23 in Game 2.

Let's please not compare Parker and Ginobili's 2013 Finals...Manu "disappeared" for 4 games in that series and literally put up more points as Parker ONE time.

Oh fck, I didn't see this user has only 15 posts.

Must be jag or another Enrique tard with an alt account..

[SASdynasty!]

Oh fck, I didn't see this user has only 15 posts.

Must be jag or another Enrique tard with a new account..
Nope, been on NBA Forum for the past 7 years...been trying to get on this one for the past 2 but no response from mods...and that coming from someone with <1000? Not exactly a veteran yourself...

[Diego20]

Nope, been on NBA Forum for the past 7 years...been trying to get on this one for the past 2 but no response from mods...and that coming from someone with <1000? Not exactly a veteran yourself...

You just entered the forum and you are already bashing on Manu and sucking TP's cock? Sure you been waiting for the last 2 years..

:lmao

[ElNono]

I guess that was the redeeming aspect of the series for him?

Nah, the 2014 playoffs were.

[FkLA]

What bothers me most about Tony that game was how he started chucking up double digits at the end of the 3rd/start of the 4th. He was gunning for that finals MVP and let the Heat back in the game.

And he tried it again in '14. Don't know why it's so hard for some people to admit that he loves bathing in self glory. Even Horry, who's actually been inside that locker room, has said that about him.

[Diego20]

Hey, if 19 pts, 8 ast, with 0 turnovers, including one of the most clutch sequences in Finals history is a terrible Parker performance, then I'm not sure what else to say. Yah, he had a bad shooting night...and made up for it with a game-tying 3, a steal on the next play, and a go-ahead bucket with under a minute left.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPxEmxKf0Dc

Yes, terrible perfomance, 6-23 is REALLY BAD. You can just suck the entire game and make the last 4 points, you gotta play well THE ENTIRE GAME.

[hater]

Anybody remembers if Manu pulled the injury excuse for the 2013 Finals, tbh?

Evita went farther than that. he blamed his struggles to having too much beef in his diet. :lmao

[Dex]

Example of a Manutard hater here... you forget that Tony was injured most of those times.

Now let's talk about RIP Manu 2009-2013...

:lol I didn't even mention Manu.

[ElNono]

Evita went farther than that. he blamed his struggles to having too much beef in his diet. :lmao

link? IIRC, the whole diet thing was in the summer after the Finals?

[SASdynasty!]

You just entered the forum and you are already bashing on Manu and sucking TP's cock? Sure you been waiting for the last 2 years..

:lmao
Nope, just been a fan of the Spurs long enough to know who's a FMVP, 6x All-Star, 4x All-NBA and who's a 6th man (one of the best ones of all time, IMO). And it's pretty obvious from watching this board for 2 years, that it's heavily titled against TP, even to the point of saying that the All-Time Playoff-Scoring-Leading PG "underperforms" in the playoffs.

[Diego20]

Evita went farther than that. he blamed his struggles to having too much beef in his diet. :lmao

At least Manu said he played bad, unlike the French oh and he pulled out injury excuse too. TP should explain us why he dissapeared last two games..

[ElNono]

:lol I didn't even mention Manu.

Doesn't matter, you posted TP hate...

Let me remind you, Manutard: RIP GINO 2009-2013 :lmao

:lol

[FkLA]

Yah, he had a bad shooting night...and made up for it with a game-tying 3, a steal on the next play, and a go-ahead bucket with under a minute left.

:lol That's not how it works, especially if the team loses. Chances are if he has a decent shooting night the Spurs have more room for error in the closing minutes. Same goes for Manu if he keeps his TOs under five.

[ElNono]

Y'all pretend to know anything about basketball, but you don't know how a hurt hammy affects shooting. You don't have the same lift, the pain alone can make you chuck a shot or 3... look at Westbrook, he's been probably playing injured all his career, tbh...

[hater]

At least Manu said he played bad, unlike the French oh and he pulled out injury excuse too. TP should explain us why he dissapeared last two games..

no he didn't. he was in denial all along.

he said he played "eh, so-so" (mas o menos) :rolleyes

[Diego20]

no he didn't. he was in denial all along.

he said he played "eh, so-so" (mas o menos) :rolleyes

Did TP explain why he dissapeared last two games?

[FkLA]

At least Manu said he played bad, unlike the French oh and he pulled out injury excuse too. TP should explain us why he dissapeared last two games..

The mild hammy strain is still bothering him this year too. :cry

Its hilarious with that guy. It couldn't be that it had something to do with LeBron being on him or that the Heat in general were a great defensive team. Nope Enrique is god...the only way he'll struggle is due to injuries and nothing else. Fucking Kobe Jr tbh.

[SASdynasty!]

Did TP explain why he dissapeared last two games?
Just so we're clear, 29 pts & 12 ast for +4 overall is disappearing, correct?

[ElNono]

Did TP explain why he dissapeared last two games?

He doesn't have to explain anything. Did he explain what he meant when he said the Spurs were not championship material anymore? Did he explain why he sexted Erin Barry?

There's nothing to explain and a reporter like JMcDonalds doesn't have the balls to ask, tbh.

[Diego20]

Just so we're clear, 29 pts & 12 ast for +4 overall is disappearing, correct?

29 points in 35 shots is pretty bad if not AWFUL. And 10 points out of 29 were from the free throw point line.

Enrique tard :lmao

[hater]

Just so we're clear, 29 pts & 12 ast for +4 overall is disappearing, correct?

:lmao short bus

[Diego20]

:lmao short bus

29 points in 35 shots is pretty bad if not AWFUL. And 10 points out of 29 were from the free throw point line.

Enrique tard :lmao

[hater]

29 points in 35 shots is pretty bad if not AWFUL. And 10 points out of 29 were from the free throw point line.

Enrique tard :lmao


:lmao short bus

[SASdynasty!]

29 points in 35 shots is pretty bad if not AWFUL. And 10 points out of 29 were from the free throw point line.

Enrique tard :lmao
Yes, it is bad...but AWFUL is:

26 pts, 12 ast COMBINED in Games 2, 3, 4, & 6 for Ginobili. ... oh, and 14 TOs.

[hater]

:lol short bus

http://static.gamesradar.com/images/mb/GamesRadar/us/Features/2010/09/Satisfying%20uppercuts/0139--article_image.jpg

[Arcadian]

Nevermind all this talk about Manu and Parker. Nevermind Pop's mistakes. I'll always remember the 2013 Finals as the time when Miami got extremely lucky - luck on a magnitude never seen before - to "win" the worst championship of all time. The 2013 championship should have the biggest * of any.

They needed a random bounce of the ball after Lebron's desperate heave at the end of game 6 to set up Allen's shot. They needed critical missed free throws from multiple Spurs players.

I'll never forget the look on Lebron's face when he was in desperation mode in game 6. He was fucking dead. Dead and scared for his basketball life. And he got bailed out by luck. Fucking bastard.

In 2014, he got what was comin' to him.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Nope, just been a fan of the Spurs long enough to know who's a FMVP, 6x All-Star, 4x All-NBA and who's a 6th man (one of the best ones of all time, IMO). And it's pretty obvious from watching this board for 2 years, that it's heavily titled against TP, even to the point of saying that the All-Time Playoff-Scoring-Leading PG "underperforms" in the playoffs.
Confirmed retard ^

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

Yes, it is bad...but AWFUL is:

26 pts, 12 ast COMBINED in Games 2, 3, 4, & 6 for Ginobili. ... oh, and 14 TOs.
How about we use every playoff performance in Spurs history and compare them two?

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

:lol That's not how it works, especially if the team loses. Chances are if he has a decent shooting night the Spurs have more room for error in the closing minutes. Same goes for Manu if he keeps his TOs under five.
Another confirmed retard^

[MateoNeygro]

It's just a response to the ridiculous Parker bashing and baseless accusations that I've been seeing for like 2 years on this thread (just got approved to post like yesterday). I'm in complete agreement with you that they are both great players and have both had bad series, but when people just make things up like "Parker was gunning for FMVP at the beginning of the 4th quarter in G6" when he wasn't even in the game, it gets ridiculous and begs to be corrected. Just go buy the game on iTunes or whatever if you haven't seen it in a while so you can watch it again... Then sometimes people try to lay all the blame on one player and the only way to show them how silly that is is to simply point out another player that was much worse. It's not that Manu isn't great...he is, and he's been a huge part of the titles...but each player carries weight and Ginobili happened to have his only career 8-TO game that day. Parker had one of his worst shooting performances in the playoffs that day. Duncan went 0-5 for 0 pts in the 4th quarter and overtime, which is very unlike him to close out a championship. Danny Green went 1-7 and Gary Neal went 2-7 that day. Pop made what in hindsight looks like a coaching mistake in not having your best rebounder in at the end of regulation or not calling timeout at the end of overtime to run a play to win the championship, which led to us not even getting a shot at the rim. Lots of mistakes to point to, so I'm with you...it definitely doesn't all fall on one player or on Pop. Losing is a team effort, just like winning.

Exactly it's a team game. Something the Spurs have done very well for over a decade with these same two apparently "polarizing" players (manu and tony). I highly doubt Tony went out there trying to win a fucking FMVP. He was trying to help our team win. People that try and deduct any person's motives from a game of basketball is dumb. Tony and Manu have both been great team players their whole career (Erin Barry withstanding). Team first guys, that's why they've had so much success. They lost by ONE FUCKING REBOUND. If that Allen 3 never happened and we won the chip it would be a moot point.

[TheGreatYacht]

They're both proven playoff performers, tbh. :tu

[Brunodf]

Raw stats fans :dizzy

[KL2]

Parker's scoring production has increased in the postseason in 12 of his 13 playoff runs:

2001-02 - Regular Sesason: 9.2/4.3 | Playoffs 15.5/4.0 (+6.3)
2002-03 - Regular Sesason: 15.5/5.3 | Playoffs 14.7/3.5 (-0.8)
2003-04 - Regular Sesason: 14.7/5.5 | Playoffs 18.4/7.0 (+3.7)
2004-05 - Regular Sesason: 16.6/6.1 | Playoffs 17.2/4.3 (+0.6)
2005-06 - Regular Sesason: 18.9/5.8 | Playoffs 21.1/3.8 (+2.2)
2006-07 - Regular Sesason: 18.6/5.5 | Playoffs 20.8/5.8 (+2.2)
2007-08 - Regular Sesason: 18.8/6.0 | Playoffs 22.4/6.1 (+3.6)
2008-09 - Regular Sesason: 22.0/6.9 | Playoffs 28.6/6.8 (+6.6)
2009-10 - Regular Sesason: 16.0/5.7 | Playoffs 17.3/5.4 (+1.3)
2010-11 - Regular Sesason: 17.5/6.6 | Playoffs 19.7/5.2 (+2.2)
2011-12 - Regular Sesason: 18.3/7.7 | Playoffs 20.1/6.8 (+1.8)
2012-13 - Regular Sesason: 20.3/7.6 | Playoffs 20.6/7.0 (+0.3)
2013-14 - Regular Sesason: 16.7/5.7 | Playoffs 17.4/4.8 (+0.7)

...whereas a guy like Duncan's scoring decreased in the postseason in '98, '04, & '11 (3 out of his 16 playoff runs). I think there are people on this board that think that Parker actually scores less in the playoffs than in the regular season. Just like there are people who think he actually hasn't led our team in scoring the past 3 regular seasons and playoffs, which of course resulted in 3 trips to the WCF, 2 trips to the Finals, and 1 NBA Championship (along with having a top 3 regular season record those years, 2 of them being #1).


I fully believe Parker does not have an extra gear, and that is what you're not accounting for.

Ask yourself, how many of those regular season games have been blow outs? A ton, Parker usually did most of his damage early, easily scoring 14 points or so in the 1st half. By then the game is over, less Parker oriented offense, Parker picking up a few buckets here and there, plays limited minutes, a much more limited role in the offense.

If you think about it, if Parker truly wanted to, he could've continued that 1st half performance, his scoring average would be pretty sick. It's obvious how easy the game used to come to him in the regular season.

BUT

The regular season is not the playoffs.

Parker is playing at the same level he was in the RS, his averages are very much the same, but this time he's not in cruise control, he's trying his absolute hardest, his entire team is geared towards helping him all 4 quarters. Many things that were working during the regular season aren't working in the playoffs.

RS=easy mode
Playoffs=Hard mode

That's the way I view it...

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

I don't really understand what FKLA is arguing. Parker is a FMVP and played outstanding in 13. He's past his prime, and that's partly because he's running constantly during the offense and was for years. All those screens he had to run off wore him out. But he's still a good player..

[SpursFan86]

I'm not about to read through this entire thread because I already know it's probably filled with shit takes of people trolling Parker/Manu/Kawhi, but there's really no denying that Parker has been an underwhelming playoff performer compared to how he does in the regular season. Obviously some dropoff is normal (playing harder teams in playoffs --> harder to do well), but Parker's dropoff is substantial.

Manu is a much better playoff performer and I find a hard time believing how any Spurs fan who has actually watched the team over the past decade and a half would disagree with that.