Bruce Bowen: Top 5 Defenders

[coachmac87]

1. DeAndre Jordan
2. Jimmy Butler
3.Tyson Chandler
4. Hasaan Whiteside
5. Nerlens Noel


Is somebody missing on this list??

Discuss

[SupremeGuy]

Is this your list or Bowen's? Link to article where he named names?

[Cry Havoc]

Jordan being #1 automatically makes this list highly suspect. Whiteside as #4? He's got to do it for more than 2 weeks to be considered a great defender.

[K...]

No Kawhi or green. I suppose not everyone can be a blind homer like Sean eliut, but he's gotta recognize the best backcourt defense in the league.

[rmt]

Bowen doesn't want to go anywhere near Kwahi. I was going to say that Leonard hasn't played enough but Whiteside - lol.

[FkLA]

Leonard is the best perimeter defender in the league.

[apalisoc_9]

Bowen is just salty that in 4 years Kawhi is higher than him now in spurs all time :lol

Old faggots :lol

Bogut, Gasol, Both Danny and Draymond, Kawhi are really the best defenders in the league.

[Darius Bieber]

This list is terrible..

[Obstructed_View]

That's an ESPN list for sure.

[MarCowMar]

The big kid from Utah should be on there.

[coachmac87]

No Anthony Davis? No LeBron James? No Kawhi Leonard? No Tony Allen?

Bowen really sucks as an analyst tbh...

[Obstructed_View]

No Anthony Davis? No LeBron James? No Kawhi Leonard? No Tony Allen?

Bowen really sucks as an analyst tbh...

He's gotten way better. He's gone from "crawl under the couch and hide" to "just change the channel" to "just ignore the segment" in just a few years.

Again, I really think he's being told what to say in exchange for a job.

[Leetonidas]

Well, he does work for ESPN now unfortunately. That or he didn't wanna sound like a homer

[DJR210]

This list is terrible..

[cjw]

If Jimmy Butler were really #2 in the league defensively, we swung and missed trading Hill for Kawhi and then drafting CoJo one spot ahead of Butler.

But that's simply not the case.

[milkyway21]

Bowen seemed hesitant to recognize Duncan last season about the possibility of a DPOY, not surprising if he did not include Kawhi this time.. :lol

[Sean Cagney]

This list is terrible..

^^^^^

[Ice009]

If that is Bruce's list and he wasn't influenced in any way, then I have no idea what he's thinking.

[FlAVaK]

source: http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/03/04/tweet-of-the-night-rudy-gobert-shows-a-list-of-top-5-defenders-from-espn-members/

Bowen:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_Nt4P4VIAEeIOt.png:small

Broussard:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_Ntlw8UsAIImwT.png:small

[FkLA]

Wow, that moron Broussard's list is way better than Bruce's.

Just goes to show that former players, even smart ones like Bruce, don't necessarily make good analysts.

[aal04]

Wow, that moron Broussard's list is way better than Bruce's.

Just goes to show that former players, even smart ones like Bruce, don't necessarily make good analysts.

Pretty sure mvp Kwame brown has something to say about that

[boutons_deux]

Bruce has never been shy about running his mouth for the sake of it.

[TheGreatYacht]

DeAndre Jordan is the league leader in Rebounds, 14.5 per game, which is expected when you have a PF who can't rebound to save his life and a chucker like Crawford. He also averages 2.3 blocks... But other than that he's a TERRIBLE post defender. His opponent's FG% at the rim is 49.3% :lol Davis & Ibaka are 1A and 1B

Jimmy Butler's defense took a step down this season. He's even took the blame for the Bulls' defensive struggles. Kawhi should've been in this spot IMO

Tyson Chandler? Has no reason to be in this discussion.

Whiteside's per 36 numbers are crazy (16.4rpg, 4.0bpg) & I've noticed Centers usually have below average games against him.

Nerlens Noel is 6th in Blocks and 8th in steals, but the dude is a horrible rebounder. His opponent fg% at this rim is 45.8%, which is better than Timmy's.

[rasuo214]

DeAndre Jordan #1? What's up with all these analysts thinking he's a top defender when he isn't even top 5 among big men. Ibaka, Timmy, Davis, Bogut are the elite this season, then you got guys like Noel, Gasol, Hibbert then the guys who still have a little more to prove like Whiteside and Gobert (strictly based on this season they deserve to be in the conversation).

Bowen's list is disgraceful, Butler has been average at best this season, Chandler is washed up. You could make a case for Whiteside, Noel eh I'd say there are better defenders (as I listed above).


Broussard's list at least has some elite defenders on there (Davis, Kawhi, Allen).

[100%duncan]

Antiquated

[DMC]

Different types of defenders deserve different categories. Rim protectors vs perimeter guys vs situational defense. Bruce was a perimeter and situational defender, David was a rim protector. Overall it's defense, sure, but why does defense get ignored so much in the NBA and in basketball in general? You hear "great 3pt shooter" and "finishes well around the rim" and "points in the paint" but then they lump all defense into one category.

[G-Dawgg]

Kawhi Leonard is easily the best defensive perimeter player in the NBA. He creates so much havoc when defending off the ball that teams often avoid passing the ball anywhere near him. His on ball defense is stifling AND he is such an excellent defensive rebounder from the sf position. Best defensive perimeter player in the game.

[Boomersgold]

Terrible list.
1. Draymond Green
2. Andrew Bogut
3. Tim Duncan
4. Jimmy Butler (before his injury)
5. Joakim Noah

[Horse]

I don't see anyone changing the game the way Kawhi has been on D.

[apalisoc_9]

man my nigga Bogut not getting enough credit and draymond too..

Kawhi is the best defender in the league..Lol at anthony davis and Demonkey Jordan.

[apalisoc_9]

Bogut or Green should be DPOY favourites this year IMO...Jordan winning it is like Camby winning it.

[look_at_g_shred]

Bogut or Green should be DPOY favourites this year IMO...Jordan winning it is like Camby winning it.
Which green?

[spurraider21]

Antiquated
:lol

[spurraider21]

We need to see Gobert, Davis, and Antetokounmpo in the same frontcourt

[apalisoc_9]

Draymond

[Wildcat67]

That's an ESPN list for sure.

Yep it's not about an accurate list it's more about creating hype and page clicks where needed.

[look_at_g_shred]

jimmy butler is highly overrated

[dabom]

jimmy butler is highly overrated

Dude sucks compared to Kawhi. And Kawhi can bring it during the playoffs.

[look_at_g_shred]

Dude sucks compared to Kawhi. And Kawhi can bring it during the playoffs.
Yup for sure!! And what has butler done in the playoffs??

[dabom]

Yup for sure!! And what has butler done in the playoffs??

Nothing really. Choker if you ask me.

[testies]

Bowen seemed hesitant to recognize Duncan last season about the possibility of a DPOY, not surprising if he did not include Kawhi this time.. :lol

Thats because he was no where near DPOY

[KL2]

Things like this is why I don't take NBA players' opinions seriously, or most pro athlete's opinions in general. You realize how little they know about their own sport, it's crazy, most fans know more than these guys.

Basketball is a business, and just like the world of business, you move up by sucking up, who you know, who is your friend, it's definitely not the best and brightest.

[SpurPadre]

Bowen's just toeing the company line of hating the Spurs and yes, I know Beadle and Bayless are vocal Spurs fans on the payroll but they're paid for their theatrics while Bowen is paid to lend "credible" (in ESPN's eyes) NBA information and opinions.

[hooperflash]

Any chance he suits up for Game 2? :lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Any chance he suits up for Game 2? :lol
:lmao

I wish

[hooperflash]

:lmao

I wish

CP3 Killer, tbh.

[313]

Dude sucks compared to Kawhi. And Kawhi can bring it during the playoffs.

Lol

[TheGreatYacht]

CP3 Killer, tbh.
I know smh! People that never saw him just judge him off the #'s and how many passes he cherry picked *cough*

Notice how we never really had Spur killers back in his day? Then you look at now... Ellis, Tyreke, Shved, etc

[TheGreatYacht]

Dude sucks compared to Kawhi. And Kawhi can bring it during the playoffs.
Lol

[hooperflash]

I know smh! People that never saw him just judge him off the #'s and how many passes he cherry picked *cough*

Notice how we never really had Spur killers back in his day? Then you look at now... Ellis, Tyreke, Shved, etc

Bowen woulda stuffed Ray Allen's corner three into his skull, tbh. Loved watching their rivalry over the years. Allen always known as the cool cat in his career , just couldn't help but get agitated by Bruce though.

[TheGreatYacht]

Bowen woulda stuffed Ray Allen's corner three into his skull, tbh. Loved watching their rivalry over the years. Allen always known as the cool cat in his career , just couldn't help but get agitated by Bruce though.
Oh fuck yeah :lol Only bad thing for Bruce this series would've been Crawford's kick out that he does when he shoots threes.

This looks pixelated as hell, but you could see how much of a gamer Bruce was :tu


http://youtu.be/RmI4r1XviVI

[hooperflash]

Oh fuck yeah :lol Only bad thing for Bruce this series would've been Crawford's kick out that he does when he shoots threes.

This looks pixelated as hell, but you could see how much of gamer Bruce was :tu

I always thought CP3 went for the sack for first with his right arm and Bruce retaliated in his own way, he really knew how to get into his opponent's mind. That's why his jersey is hanging proudly in the rafters.

[TheGreatYacht]

I always thought CP3 went for the sack for first with his right arm and Bruce retaliated in his own way, he really knew how to get into his opponent's mind. That's why his jersey is hanging proudly in the rafters.
:toast Grittiest competitor since Oakley


http://youtu.be/KubRIzcLIA4

[hater]

miss Bowen. and Spurs miss him

Makes Matt Barnes look like a retarded short bus rider IMO (no offense to the present)

he was one Forward not afraid of contact or confrontations

[hater]

I always thought CP3 went for the sack for first with his right arm and Bruce retaliated in his own way, he really knew how to get into his opponent's mind. That's why his jersey is hanging proudly in the rafters.

Allen is the kind of pussy that would call fouls in a pickup game and eventually get piasy and take his ball home midgame.

CP3 is similar except CP3 is a basketball genius.

Still Bowen would get under both skins the same way. Bumping and grinding for 48 minutes.

[hitmanyr2k]

Jordan being #1 automatically makes this list highly suspect. Whiteside as #4? He's got to do it for more than 2 weeks to be considered a great defender.

I don't know about that. From the way Jordan had the Spurs players shaking in their boots and throwing up weak shit in the paint in Game 1 I would say he made his defensive presence felt.

[Skull-1]

Any chance he suits up for Game 2? :lol


:lmao

I wish

We could use him!

[Skull-1]

:toast Grittiest competitor since Oakley


http://youtu.be/KubRIzcLIA4


Mr. Potatohead is still my all-time favorite Spur.

[Skull-1]

Bowen woulda stuffed Ray Allen's corner three into his skull, tbh. Loved watching their rivalry over the years. Allen always known as the cool cat in his career , just couldn't help but get agitated by Bruce though.


Exactly.

[TheGreatYacht]

Mr. Potatohead is still my all-time favorite Spur.
Top 3 for me bruh :tu He would've never let this happen


http://youtu.be/qplSB3SU0OE

[dabom]

Any chance he suits up for Game 2? :lol

You going to suck his dick when he gets us another championship? :lmao

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Kawhi is the league's top defender. Bruce accidentally used his 2013 notes on Chandler.

[hooperflash]

You going to suck his dick when he gets us another championship? :lmao

Do you know something we don't? Please share.

[TheGreatYacht]

Bowen would've made that free throw in 6.

[DMC]

What makes people think someone with great talent in a certain area is qualified to judge great talent?

Mike pretty much shot that one right in the ass from the get-go.

[dabom]

Do you know something we don't? Please share.

Just what I said faggot. :lmao

[hooperflash]

Just what I said faggot. :lmao

You're implying that Bruce Bowen is going to play for us again? Watch out TSpence.

[Skull-1]

Top 3 for me bruh :tu He would've never let this happen


http://youtu.be/qplSB3SU0OE


Damn right. He was part of the Big Four. It was always the Big Four. When he left we declined horribly. It took Leonard to bring us some defensive respect back, and he is still no Bowen as a defender.

[TheGreatYacht]

Damn right. He was part of the Big Four. It was always the Big Four. When he left we declined horribly. It took Leonard to bring us some defensive respect back, and he is still no Bowen as a defender.
Yeah Pop realized that when he saw that offense doesn't win championships from 2009-2011. I'm not sure PATFO saw Kawhi turning out so good, tbh.. They probably just needed a defensive first wing. It's always been the Big four

[cd98]

I think Bowen, in his prime, was a better defender than Kawhi is now. At least in terms of contesting the shot and making his opponent shoot a low shooting percentage. Kawhi is much better at playing the passing lanes, though, and unlike Bowen, he can score on the other end.

[dabom]

Kawhi is already better. Plus he rebounds and steals. That's still part of defense.

[dabom]

If we had bruce for the first game, we'd lose by more.

[cd98]

Kawhi is already better. Plus he rebounds and steals. That's still part of defense.

I agree that he generates turnovers better than Bruce. But in terms of challenging shots and holding players to low shooting percentages, Bruce is better so far. Seems like guys going against Kawhi can still score okay, but he is likely to get a steal or two against them. When we can plug him on a Clipper and he totally shuts that Clipper down, then you'll know he's near Bruce Bowen levels as far as challenging shots.

[DarrinS]

Bowen would've made that free throw in 6.

The salt is strong with this one

[DarrinS]

No KL, no 5. It's that simple.

[dabom]

I agree that he generates turnovers better than Bruce. But in terms of challenging shots and holding players to low shooting percentages, Bruce is better so far. Seems like guys going against Kawhi can still score okay, but he is likely to get a steal or two against them. When we can plug him on a Clipper and he totally shuts that Clipper down, then you'll know he's near Bruce Bowen levels as far as challenging shots.

You act like no one went off on him before in his prime. He also had prime tim fucking duncan back there. Kawhi has a slower version than him. PnRs is duncans weakness nowadays. Kawhi is asked to do more and he does defensively.

[RD2191]

No KL, no 5. It's that simple.

[cd98]

You act like no one went off on him before in his prime. He also had prime tim fucking duncan back there. Kawhi has a slower version than him. PnRs is duncans weakness nowadays. Kawhi is asked to do more and he does defensively.

I don't remember people going off on Bowen very often. Certainly there were players that took a ton of shots and were able to score a lot of points, but on terrible shooting percentages. Bowen was a great defender, don't know why some people get so touchy about Kawhi. Kawhi is a great, young player. He is one of the best at generating turnovers. Bowen never really generated turnovers. He just forced players to take bad shots. Kawhi is a different kind of defender. I don't see him forcing bad shots, just attacking players' dribbles or passing lanes. I'd like to see him do a better job of forcing players into tough shots, but he's still young and learning other players' tendencies. Bruce had a black book on every great offensive player; he knew how to counter them. Kawhi's still developing that. He's still a top notch defender, but I don't see him as on the level of Bruce just yet in terms of forcing bad shots. Just my opinion.

[N0 LyF3 ScRuB]

No Bruce, no 2-3-4.

[Malik Hairston]

Bowen was a great player in the 2000s, one of my favorites of all-time, although I admit he wouldn't be nearly as great in today's league that puts more of an emphasis on talent/skill, and less on physicality.

I wonder what Kawhi would look like with prime Duncan or prime Alonzo Mourning behind him:wow

[Malik Hairston]

Bruce has the mental edge, of course..he was one of the dirtiest players of all-time, and he got in opponent's heads as well as anybody has in decades, tbh:lol..

I remember a game where Vince Carter was completely destroying him, had like 45 points mid-way through the 3rd, but Bruce undercut him or something, and Carter went crazy and got ejected:lol..

[TheGreatYacht]

No Bruce, no 2-3-4.

[DarrinS]

The post about Bowen not missing a free throw is hilarious, as different teams (most notably the Mavs) employed a hack-a-Bowen strategy from time to time. Long time fans would know this.


Not hating on Bruce. One of my all time favorite players, tbh.

[Malik Hairston]

It's a shame how Pop ended Bowen's tenure, too, tbh:lol..choosing Finley over him at every chance, reminds me of Beli-Green today..

One of the best SpursTalk threads IIRC was at peak-Finley hate when we found out this nigga had the audacity to ask for a trade:lmao..

[Skull-1]

You act like no one went off on him before in his prime. He also had prime tim fucking duncan back there. Kawhi has a slower version than him. PnRs is duncans weakness nowadays. Kawhi is asked to do more and he does defensively.


Fast Tim, Slow Tim, Young Tim, Old Tim.....didn't matter, doesn't matter. Bowen was through pure tenacity and lightning fast reflexes ALWAYS in the pocket of the guy he was defending. Dude was a complete pest. He truly neutralized the opposition's best player night in and night out. We don't have that now, although Leonard did a good job on James last Finals.

[Skull-1]

No KL, no 5. It's that simple.

No Bruce no 2, 3, and 4. And without Bruce...nothing until Leonard came along. Spurs need to remember defense. Without it we have no rings.

[DPG21920]

This year (no specific order):

Kawhi
Gobert
Whiteside
Draymond
Bogut

Honorable mention to: Duncan/Danny/Tony Allen/Marc Gasol

Solid Year: Jordan

Still under the radar, but solid defensive year: Bradley, MKG & Noel

[hater]

No KL, no 5. It's that simple.

No Splitter, no 5

No Diaw, no 5

No Green, no 5

No Patty, no 5

should I keep going?

[dabom]

No Splitter, no 5

No Diaw, no 5

No Green, no 5

No Patty, no 5

should I keep going?

At least you haven't said enrique.

Honorable mention to the ball boy too.

[hater]

At least you haven't said enrique.

Honorable mention to the ball boy too.

Duncan and MVParker are obvious IMO

[RD2191]

No Kawhi no 5. Simple as that.

[hater]

No Splitter, no 5

No Diaw, no 5

No Green, no 5

No Patty, no 5

should I keep going?

[RD2191]

No Kawhi no 5. Simple as that.

[hater]

No Splitter, no 5

No Diaw, no 5

No Green, no 5

No Patty, no 5

should I keep going??????????

[RD2191]

No Kawhi no 5. Simple as that.
http://footbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/kawhi-leonard-stats-vs-lebron-june-2014.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CPYEit4.jpg

[RD2191]

http://i.imgur.com/IU8YzkE.png

[hater]

DALLAS – Tiago Splitter did all he could to help the Spurs in game three against the Dallas Mavericks.

Splitter recorded a double-double (14 points and 13 rebounds); he added three assists and most of all he helped contain Mavericks forward Dirk Nowitzki, who finished with 18 points.

Nowitzki has yet to score 20 or more points after three games against the Spurs and is averaging only 15.0 points on 39.1 percent shooting.

[RD2191]

We talking about the finals you scrub.

[RD2191]

http://footbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/kawhi-leonard-stats-vs-lebron-june-2014.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CPYEit4.jpg

[RD2191]

http://i.imgur.com/IU8YzkE.png

[hater]

We talking about the finals you scrub.

because playoffs start at the finals :rolleyes

[RD2191]

because playoffs start at the finals :rolleyes
Never said that.

[spurraider21]

http://footbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/kawhi-leonard-stats-vs-lebron-june-2014.jpg
i love this graphic too, but didn't lebron average 28 ppg on 57% shooting :lol

[dabom]

i love this graphic too, but didn't lebron average 28 ppg on 57% shooting :lol

Did you watch the fucking games faggot? He scored mostly off of switches and PnRs. He scored most of his points down 20. His efficiency was way down early in the games. I swear it's like faggots keep repeating the same shtick.

[spurraider21]

Did you watch the fucking games faggot? He scored mostly off of switches and PnRs. He scored most of his points down 20. His efficiency was way down early in the games. I swear it's like faggots keep repeating the same shtick.
:lmao 9-17 in game 1
:lmao 14-22 in game 2

both of those were close the whole way through... and he was on fire early in game 5

[dabom]

:lmao 9-17 in game 1
:lmao 14-22 in game 2

both of those were close the whole way through... and he was on fire early in game 5

Nigga needs to drop this. He got FMVP and the fans acknowledged it. His teammates don't give a fuck tbh. Maybe 1 but who cares. :lmao

[spurraider21]

Nigga needs to drop this. He got FMVP and the fans acknowledged it. His teammates don't give a fuck tbh. Maybe 1 but who cares. :lmao
kawhi deserved finals MVP and he got it. that has nothing to do with what i'm saying though

[DarrinS]

No Splitter, no 5

No Diaw, no 5

No Green, no 5

No Patty, no 5

should I keep going?


Where's Tony? :lmao


But, maybe our best player (on both ends of the floor) is only as good as Keith Van Horn. :rolleyes

GTFO

[DarrinS]

But but but but Bruce would've made that FT in 6. :cry

[RD2191]

kawhi deserved finals MVP and he got it. that has nothing to do with what i'm saying though
What are you saying? Kawhi is the best Lebron defender in the NBA.

[TheGreatYacht]

Bowen would've made that free throw in 6.

[RD2191]

http://footbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/kawhi-leonard-stats-vs-lebron-june-2014.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CPYEit4.jpg

[spurraider21]

http://footbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/kawhi-leonard-stats-vs-lebron-june-2014.jpg


i love this graphic too, but didn't lebron average 28 ppg on 57% shooting :lol

[RD2191]

http://thrivesports.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Kawhi-Leonard.jpg

[TheGreatYacht]

i love this graphic too, but didn't lebron average 28 ppg on 57% shooting :lol

[RD2191]

http://thrivesports.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Kawhi-Leonard.jpg

[dabom]

http://thrivesports.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Kawhi-Leonard.jpg

[spurraider21]

robdiaz2191 i'm trying to have a conversation, whats up


i love this graphic too, but didn't lebron average 28 ppg on 57% shooting :lol

[RD2191]

http://footbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/kawhi-leonard-stats-vs-lebron-june-2014.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CPYEit4.jpg

[TheGreatYacht]

Cedric Maxwell career stats (considered the worst FMVP of all time):
12.5ppg, 6.3rpg, 2.2apg

Matrix 2.0.1 career stats:
12.3ppg, 6.1rpg, 1.8apg

[lefty]

http://footbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/kawhi-leonard-stats-vs-lebron-june-2014.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CPYEit4.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/IU8YzkE.png

[TheGreatYacht]

Cedric Maxwell career stats (considered the worst FMVP of all time):
12.5ppg, 6.3rpg, 2.2apg

Matrix 2.0.1 career stats:
12.3ppg, 6.1rpg, 1.8apg

[KL2]

Help defense, post defense, perimeter defense, ball denial, playing the passing lanes, proper shot contests, etc.

The Heat have their system set up around Lebron, kind of like the Spurs with Parker, as much people want to talk about being the #1 option being difficult, you also have an entire team trying to get your game going.

Every time Leonard denied Lebron proper post position, denied the ball, forced him out on the perimeter, forced him to dribble late into the shot clock it fucked the Heat's offense. Each time the Heat were trying their hardest to get this guy going, and couldn't.

Lebron's points came in short bursts, on switches, difficult shots, loose balls, jumpers, turnovers, down 20.

The biggest thing was Leonard guarding him 1v1, most teams must swarm him with every man, breaks the team's defense. Guarding him 1v1 doesn't allow him to draw nearly as many doubles, and that is huge. They're running their entire offense through him, it's incredibly difficult defending him 1v1, almost impossible, Leonard made that series hell for him, the stats do not reflect his performance at all. Only idiots that don't know what they're looking at will think Lebron had his way lmao.

[RD2191]

Help defense, post defense, perimeter defense, ball denial, playing the passing lanes, proper shot contests, etc.

The Heat have their system set up around Lebron, kind of like the Spurs with Parker, as much people want to talk about being the #1 option being difficult, you also have an entire team trying to get your game going.

Every time Leonard denied Lebron proper post position, denied the ball, forced him out on the perimeter, forced him to dribble late into the shot clock it fucked the Heat's offense. Each time the Heat were trying their hardest to get this guy going, and couldn't.

Lebron's points came in short bursts, on switches, difficult shots, loose balls, jumpers, turnovers, down 20.

The biggest thing was Leonard guarding him 1v1, most teams must swarm him with every man, breaks the team's defense. Guarding him 1v1 doesn't allow him to draw nearly as many doubles, and that is huge. They're running their entire offense through him, it's incredibly difficult defending him 1v1, almost impossible, Leonard made that series hell for him, the stats do not reflect his performance at all. Only idiots that don't know what they're looking at will think Lebron had his way lmao.
Shut it down. Let's go home.

[spurraider21]

Shut it down. Let's go home.
why can't we talk man... we used to be cool :cry

[dabom]

Help defense, post defense, perimeter defense, ball denial, playing the passing lanes, proper shot contests, etc.

The Heat have their system set up around Lebron, kind of like the Spurs with Parker, as much people want to talk about being the #1 option being difficult, you also have an entire team trying to get your game going.

Every time Leonard denied Lebron proper post position, denied the ball, forced him out on the perimeter, forced him to dribble late into the shot clock it fucked the Heat's offense. Each time the Heat were trying their hardest to get this guy going, and couldn't.

Lebron's points came in short bursts, on switches, difficult shots, loose balls, jumpers, turnovers, down 20.

The biggest thing was Leonard guarding him 1v1, most teams must swarm him with every man, breaks the team's defense. Guarding him 1v1 doesn't allow him to draw nearly as many doubles, and that is huge. They're running their entire offense through him, it's incredibly difficult defending him 1v1, almost impossible, Leonard made that series hell for him, the stats do not reflect his performance at all. Only idiots that don't know what they're looking at will think Lebron had his way lmao.

Be specific.

[RD2191]

why can't we talk man... we used to be cool :cry
This was a long time coming...Lmao jk. All gay Lmao. What up nigga? Why you player hating on Kawhi? Tbh.

[spurraider21]

This was a long time coming...Lmao jk. All gay Lmao. What up nigga? Why you player hating on Kawhi? Tbh.
i'm not. i even said he was deserving of fMVP. why can't we have an objective conversation without spamming graphics tho

[RD2191]

i'm not. i even said he was deserving of fMVP. why can't we have an objective conversation without spamming graphics tho
Because tgy is a faggot, tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

Because tgy is a faggot, tbh.
You do it when someone gets you shook, faggot

[RD2191]

You do it when someone gets you shook, faggot
Lmao. Shook? Kawhi shitted all over lbj. The proof is there.

[RD2191]

Help defense, post defense, perimeter defense, ball denial, playing the passing lanes, proper shot contests, etc.

The Heat have their system set up around Lebron, kind of like the Spurs with Parker, as much people want to talk about being the #1 option being difficult, you also have an entire team trying to get your game going.

Every time Leonard denied Lebron proper post position, denied the ball, forced him out on the perimeter, forced him to dribble late into the shot clock it fucked the Heat's offense. Each time the Heat were trying their hardest to get this guy going, and couldn't.

Lebron's points came in short bursts, on switches, difficult shots, loose balls, jumpers, turnovers, down 20.

The biggest thing was Leonard guarding him 1v1, most teams must swarm him with every man, breaks the team's defense. Guarding him 1v1 doesn't allow him to draw nearly as many doubles, and that is huge. They're running their entire offense through him, it's incredibly difficult defending him 1v1, almost impossible, Leonard made that series hell for him, the stats do not reflect his performance at all. Only idiots that don't know what they're looking at will think Lebron had his way lmao.
Eat shit TheGreatYacht

[spurraider21]

Lmao. Shook? Kawhi shitted all over lbj. The proof is there.
the spurs shit on the heat tbh...

in games 3-5, kawhi basically matched lebron blow for blow... and that spelled doom for miami. no way they were beating the spurs if lebron and kawhi had equal production

[spurraider21]

http://i.gyazo.com/6285fa8dd96facb4825f8b294d9fc038.png

http://i.gyazo.com/470f7ec09531c7181f4e48539b214249.png

http://i.gyazo.com/e52a394f0c6c87d38e2d8ca080517ac9.png

[TheGreatYacht]

Lmao. Shook? Kawhi shitted all over lbj. The proof is there.
What the fuck are you talking about? Everyone stopped their guy except for Gerald Wallace Jr. Look at his assignment's #s

[TheGreatYacht]

http://i.gyazo.com/6285fa8dd96facb4825f8b294d9fc038.png

http://i.gyazo.com/470f7ec09531c7181f4e48539b214249.png

http://i.gyazo.com/e52a394f0c6c87d38e2d8ca080517ac9.png
Jimmy Buckets, damn

[spurraider21]

Jimmy Buckets, damn
to be fair, that was like 3 years ago when the bulls were at their peak, and were the league's highest ranked team defense.

though butler wasn't as good an offensive player then as he is now

[TheGreatYacht]

to be fair, that was like 3 years ago when the bulls were at their peak, and were the league's highest ranked team defense.

though butler wasn't as good an offensive player then as he is now
Yeah, true. But then again he also had Boozer :lol

44MPG... Thibs doesn't learn

[RD2191]

Help defense, post defense, perimeter defense, ball denial, playing the passing lanes, proper shot contests, etc.

The Heat have their system set up around Lebron, kind of like the Spurs with Parker, as much people want to talk about being the #1 option being difficult, you also have an entire team trying to get your game going.

Every time Leonard denied Lebron proper post position, denied the ball, forced him out on the perimeter, forced him to dribble late into the shot clock it fucked the Heat's offense. Each time the Heat were trying their hardest to get this guy going, and couldn't.

Lebron's points came in short bursts, on switches, difficult shots, loose balls, jumpers, turnovers, down 20.

The biggest thing was Leonard guarding him 1v1, most teams must swarm him with every man, breaks the team's defense. Guarding him 1v1 doesn't allow him to draw nearly as many doubles, and that is huge. They're running their entire offense through him, it's incredibly difficult defending him 1v1, almost impossible, Leonard made that series hell for him, the stats do not reflect his performance at all. Only idiots that don't know what they're looking at will think Lebron had his way lmao.

[hitmanyr2k]

http://i.imgur.com/IU8YzkE.png

Eh, that graphic is a bit skewed since they're including Pippen's Finals stats past his prime years. During the first 3 peat he was practically a walking triple-double in the Finals. During the 2nd 3peat his body began to break down year after year due to the mileage of deep playoff runs every year and his stats took a hit.

1st 3 peat

1991 - 20.8 ppg (45.3 FG%), 9.4 rpg, 6.6 apg, 2.4 spg, 1 bpg

1992 - 20.8 ppg (48.4 FG%), 8.3 rpg, 7.7 apg, 1.5 spg, 0.7 bpg

1993 - 21.2 ppg (44 FG%), 9.2 rpg, 7.7 apg, 2.0 spg, 1 bpg