Kawhi's place on the all-time greats list

[spursfaninla]

Kawhi is the best player on the spurs this year. Although he does not have the offensive numbers for the casual fan to "eye test" him as a franchise player, he is a top 10 player in the league per RPM, due to his being an elite defensive player and a good offensive player.

Even so, I don't think he belongs in the discussion of all-time greats, not by a long shot.

To be in the all-time discussion, he needs to be the top player (or so) in the league at least for a few years.

He simply does not have enough success to be in the discussion by consideration of individual accomplishments (All-stars, league MVP, stats), or team success (# championships as clearly best player, even if you count last year).

I mean, he already has an FMVP, and he is young so who knows where he goes in the future. IMO, he is clearly a top 10 player and the best player on the spurs, but all-time great? Today? No way. We have Tim, Kobe, and Shaq as recent all-time greats from the 2000's, and Kawhi is not in the same statosphere as those guys in terms of accomplishments to date.

So, what can we take from this:


Leonard is an all time great player. One thing Great players do after things like these is bounce back..You saw what happened last year..He won FMVP.

Deluded?
Kidding?
Irrational?
I really want to understand how someone could say this and be serious. Lets level set. Who actually agrees with nut-hugger? I want to see people defend that and pass the laugh test.

I am posting this because I can't take someone seriously if they are going to say things like this. I am trying to see if there is anything redeeming about the content of the poster's posts. Anything other than comedy value as reason to not block at this point.

[Cry Havoc]

He's 23.

[Clipper Nation]

OP is a faggot.

[apalisoc_9]

I said he was going to be one of the best players in the league when he was averaging 7PPG.

Me saying Leonard is an all time great is a prediction....

Actually when he wins his 2nd FMVP..He will be considered an ALL time great. Top 30.

You won't be able to name me more than 10 players who have won b2b FMVP.

and I am telling you now Leonard will win his 2nd FMVP just like when I told you guys he is going to be a star in this league when you guys were still doubting the kid in his rookie year.

[dabom]

Mania is a fagot tbH
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[spursfaninla]

Very mature with elementary school name calling.

As for the rest, back peddle all you want you used the present tens, is all time Great.

Just because he kawhi exceeded my expectations does not mean I doubted him. I'm really glad he has become a force in the league and I hope he stays a spur for life. I think he is close enough to a franchise player to build around.

[apalisoc_9]

Leonard is a franchise player..thinking otherwise is stupid and mainstream.

[boutons_deux]

He's 23. I'll wait a few years before rating him.

[apalisoc_9]

Doesn't matter if he is 23 or 33..

He is already a great player...

[spursfaninla]

Since you back-pedaled off of "all time great," my work is done.

[apalisoc_9]

you'd have to be a retard to assume Leonard as an All time great the age of 23...

But Leonard will be An all time great by the end of the season with his 2nd FMVP..Book it.

[TheGreatYacht]

ClipperNation is an All-First Team faggot

[tholdren]

No, op is right. Best of all time. Hands down

[SASdynasty!]

He just needs to get more touches and work on his offense to be considered that. Consider this: people are saying Parker's having a terrible season and yet Kawhi is averaging just 0.8 PPG more and on worse shooting this year.

[LakerHater]

http://i62.tinypic.com/10r8diw.jpg

[The Reckoning]

wow way too soon wtf

[Kool Bob Love]

Not even a top 5 Spur. Srs.

[Silver&Black]

He's 23.


He's 23. I'll wait a few years before rating him.

Basically this....

[TXstbobcat]

He is the future of the Spurs organization and one of the best defensive players in the NBA.

[pgardn]

Leonard is a franchise player..thinking otherwise is stupid and mainstream.

Oh yeah.

Its cool to be a gadfly. Look it up.

If you think KL is going to be an alltime great then post exactly that Ya damn banana nut cake.

[milkyway21]

All-time great ?


Isn't it TOO EARLY for anybody to talk about Kawhi being in that category???
He has not lead the team to greatness by himself yet..that is, without the legendary all-time winning trio. :)
He has to win first at least a regular MVP, a DPOY, or a lead in the regular season scoring voted to the All-Star games or mayve win an ASG MVP ...to get the attention.
Too early to tell..

I doubt if Michael Jordan consider himself as great when he was just starting in rhe NBA.

Let's just get back to earth. Back to reality.


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[pgardn]

All-time great ?


Isn't it TOO EARLY for anybody to talk about Kawhi being in that category???
He has not lead the team to greatness by himself yet..that is, without the legendary all-time winning trio. :)


Let's just get back to earth. Back to reality.


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You drive a hard bargain asking for a reality check.

[look_at_g_shred]

I'll wait till I know he's a 'Spur for life'

[TrainOfThought5]

Better thread wouldve been where does he rank as an all time Spur great.

[apalisoc_9]

Better thread wouldve been where does he rank as an all time Spur great.

top 4 behind Manu, David and Tim.

[Clipper Nation]

ClipperNation is an All-First Team faggot
:lol JoeYacht on a Saturday night:

576891253079552000

[Silver&Black]

top 4 behind Manu, David and Tim.

Dude your anti-TP agenda is laughable....

:lmao 4th year player > Best PG in franchise history


BTW....I'm a huge Leonard supporter. I hope we give the guy the max and he stays a Spur for life....and I hope he can somehow become the greatest Spur of all time (even above Timmy). But to say that he is already more accomplished than TP is fucking laughable.

[apalisoc_9]

Mr steal yo girl :lol

[dabom]

Lol

[SASdynasty!]

All-time great ?


Isn't it TOO EARLY for anybody to talk about Kawhi being in that category???
He has not lead the team to greatness by himself yet..that is, without the legendary all-time winning trio. :)
He has to win first at least a regular MVP, a DPOY, or a lead in the regular season scoring voted to the All-Star games or mayve win an ASG MVP ...to get the attention.
Too early to tell..

I doubt if Michael Jordan consider himself as great when he was just starting in rhe NBA.

Let's just get back to earth. Back to reality.


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Lol, 0x All-Star = All-time NBA great

[spurraider21]

Leonard is a franchise player..thinking otherwise is stupid and mainstream.
if you're saying "everybody should think leonard is a franchise player"... then that would make the Leonard = franchise player argument mainstream

[TheGreatYacht]

Mr steal yo girl :lol
Mr can't pull girls on Tinder :lol

[tholdren]

top 4 behind Manu, David and Tim.

Jesus christ. I hate spurs fans from the first ring on. They suck and know zero franchise players or history.
Can we get this queer banned

[Blackjack]

How do people keep on dismissing Gervin? One of the greatest scorers of all-time, team was always in the playoffs and a threat with him as the Franchise player. It's hard for me to say that Manu or Tony rank above him. But so many do so without hesitation.

Guess it's just the age of the fans and the time he played.

[DMC]

Kawhi is the best player on the spurs this year. Although he does not have the offensive numbers for the casual fan to "eye test" him as a franchise player, he is a top 10 player in the league per RPM, due to his being an elite defensive player and a good offensive player.

Even so, I don't think he belongs in the discussion of all-time greats, not by a long shot.

To be in the all-time discussion, he needs to be the top player (or so) in the league at least for a few years.

He simply does not have enough success to be in the discussion by consideration of individual accomplishments (All-stars, league MVP, stats), or team success (# championships as clearly best player, even if you count last year).

I mean, he already has an FMVP, and he is young so who knows where he goes in the future. IMO, he is clearly a top 10 player and the best player on the spurs, but all-time great? Today? No way. We have Tim, Kobe, and Shaq as recent all-time greats from the 2000's, and Kawhi is not in the same statosphere as those guys in terms of accomplishments to date.

So, what can we take from this:



Deluded?
Kidding?
Irrational?
I really want to understand how someone could say this and be serious. Lets level set. Who actually agrees with nut-hugger? I want to see people defend that and pass the laugh test.

I am posting this because I can't take someone seriously if they are going to say things like this. I am trying to see if there is anything redeeming about the content of the poster's posts. Anything other than comedy value as reason to not block at this point.
It's called trolling.

[peacemaker885]

He's the best weve got. Doesn't matter where he places in hhistory.

[ducks]

someone here predicted he would leave the spurs after this year he will bolt
will not even be top 5 if he bolts with the spurs

[apalisoc_9]

someone here predicted he would leave the spurs after this year he will bolt
will not even be top 5 if he bolts with the spurs

100+ in 5 or he is out tbh.

[K...]

100+ in 5 or he is out tbh.

It's restricted free agency. He can't dictate the contract. The market does. He'll get the max. I just think you're ignoring the an amount of control he has.

People again, assume the spurs have some sort of magic momentum. Once the big three retire we're a small market with a single all star. If kawhi can succeed there, he can succeed in every nba offense. Leaving the spurs maybe exactly what needs to happen if he wants to be a .hof player

[Sean Cagney]

It's restricted free agency. He can't dictate the contract. The market does. He'll get the max. I just think you're ignoring the an amount of control he has.

People again, assume the spurs have some sort of magic momentum. Once the big three retire we're a small market with a single all star. If kawhi can succeed there, he can succeed in every nba offense. Leaving the spurs maybe exactly what needs to happen if he wants to be a .hof playerUnless he asks them not to I feel they match the max contract offer to keep him. He is worth it.