Harden

[RsxPiimp]

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[GuerillaBlack]

Cool.

[RsxPiimp]

CN doing work on Realgm :lmao

[DMC]

Need to do it like boxing.

"He's got 39 points, 18 of those coming by way of the free throw"

[Jenks]

Need a new allstate commercial with Joey Crawford and his twin brother Jimmy Crawford

[djohn2oo8]

CN doing work on Realgm :lmao

He has a RealGM account? :lol

[Splits]

Need a new allstate commercial with Joey Crawford and his twin brother Jimmy Crawford

:lol

[RsxPiimp]

He has a RealGM account? :lol

Yeah, he's the thread starter :lol

[FkLA]

tbf he's a pretty relentless slasher that purposely exposes the ball and does get hacked regularly. It's not like he's a jump shooter like KD.

Shit won't work in the postseason against elite defenders/defenses though. I don't think his chokejob in the Finals vs the Heatles was a coincidence.

[djohn2oo8]

Yeah, he's the thread starter :lol

Wow :lol

[100%duncan]

:lmao :lmao That's why this guy will always be a fucking joke to the eyes of many

[Clipper Nation]

:lol People accusing me of being trolls on completely different sites now, it's getting ridiculous.

And the fact that people think someone so dependent on the officiating is deserving of MVP is a joke.

[RsxPiimp]

#HireTroyWeaver • #HireZeljkoObradovic. Clipper/Kings/#1 Lebron fan in Real GM. Come on brah, that was a dead give away tbh :lol

[DMC]

For his career Harden has just over 7 FTA pg. Jordan had 8.2 and spent a few years above 10. Harden is at 9.8. Let's not revise history so that the greats didn't get to the line an inordinate amount of times.

Close to 25% of Mike's total points were from the FT line.

[Clipper Nation]

#HireTroyWeaver • #HireZeljkoObradovic. Clipper/Kings/#1 Lebron fan in Real GM. Come on brah, that was a dead give away tbh :lol

So an LA fan rooting for LA teams is your "proof"? Wow, I guess I'm pretty much every LA fan on RealGM, then.

I've now been accused of being Harlem, DoK, mid, and 90% of RealGM :lol

[100%duncan]

For his career Harden has just over 7 FTA pg. Jordan had 8.2 and spent a few years above 10. Harden is at 9.8. Let's not revise history so that the greats didn't get to the line an inordinate amount of times.

Close to 25% of Mike's total points were from the FT line.

But he didn't falter in the playoffs repeatedly and won 2 3peats.

[djohn2oo8]

But he didn't falter in the playoffs repeatedly and won 2 3peats.

Uh yes Jordan did falter in the playoffs repeatedly early in his career.

[DMC]

But he didn't falter in the playoffs repeatedly and won 2 3peats.

So then say Harden hasn't won 2 3peats. The issue was the FTs, not the team's success.

[100%duncan]

So then say Harden hasn't won 2 3peats. The issue was the FTs, not the team's success.

The issue was that you compared the arguably GOAT to a playoff choker...

[Killakobe81]

For his career Harden has just over 7 FTA pg. Jordan had 8.2 and spent a few years above 10. Harden is at 9.8. Let's not revise history so that the greats didn't get to the line an inordinate amount of times.

Close to 25% of Mike's total points were from the FT line.

Mj got calls no doubt about it ... and game was more physical then too ...
However MJ was a iphone 6 (or Galaxy 5) vs. a bunch of RIM blackberries. When you see MJ especially from mid 80's to early 90's no one outside of nique and maybe Drexler are in his class as an athlete. Crazy thing about Harden he is nothing like MJ, Lebron or even Westbrook. He is like a cross /hybrid between Paul Pierce, Grant Hill (post-injury) and Gilbert Arenas (prime) and the flop era Manu. he is not strongest fastest or quickest but you cant stop him from getting where he wants. And he does exaggerate fouls and plays to contact. Not his fault refs bite on dat shit ...

[DMC]

Mj got calls no doubt about it ... and game was more physical then too ...
However MJ was a iphone 6 (or Galaxy 5) vs. a bunch of RIM blackberries. When you see MJ especially from mid 80's to early 90's no one outside of nique and maybe Drexler are in his class as an athlete. Crazy thing about Harden he is nothing like MJ, Lebron or even Westbrook. He is like a cross /hybrid between Paul Pierce, Grant Hill (post-injury) and Gilbert Arenas (prime) and the flop era Manu. he is not strongest fastest or quickest but you cant stop him from getting where he wants. And he does exaggerate fouls and plays to contact. Not his fault refs bite on dat shit ...

That's all fine and good but the point remains, Harden isn't getting to the line more than other superstars have. No one has argued that Harden is anywhere near Jordan or other superstars of the past. Why are you guys moving goalposts? The numbers are there.

Each player plays in the era in which they were drafted. They play under those rules with that officiating. Whatever gets the player to the line more often is what needs to be investigated. The players themselves have only tapped into it.

Granted, Harden probably gets a higher percentage of his points from the line than others have, but that's also because he doesn't score as often away from it as they did. When it stops producing they'll stop using it. I don't think it will translate to a ring. In Mike's highest FTA years I think he tapped out before the Finals. What it says is that a team is too reliant on one guy getting to the line.

[DMC]

1984–85 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984%E2%80%9385_Chicago_Bulls_season)
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7th
Central
3rd
38
44
.463
21
Lost First Round (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_NBA_Playoffs) (Bucks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984%E2%80%9385_Milwaukee_Bucks_season)) 3–1[32] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-41)
Michael Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan)
(ROY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Rookie_of_the_Year_Award))[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-Bulls_History-8)
Kevin Loughery


1985–86 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985%E2%80%9386_Chicago_Bulls_season)
Eastern
8th
Central
4th
30
52
.366
27
Lost First Round (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_NBA_Playoffs) (Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985%E2%80%9386_Boston_Celtics_season)) 3–0[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-42)
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Stan Albeck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Albeck)


1986–87 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986%E2%80%9387_Chicago_Bulls_season)
Eastern
8th
Central
5th
40
42
.488
17
Lost First Round (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_NBA_Playoffs) (Celtics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986%E2%80%9387_Boston_Celtics_season)) 3–0[34] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-43)
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Doug Collins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Collins_(basketball))


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Eastern
3rd
Central
2nd[j] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-45)
50
32
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4
Won First Round (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_NBA_Playoffs) (Cavaliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987%E2%80%9388_Cleveland_Cavaliers_season)) 3–2
Lost Conference Semifinals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_NBA_Playoffs) (Pistons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987%E2%80%9388_Detroit_Pistons_season)) 4–1[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-46)
Michael Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan)
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Jerry Krause (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Krause) (EOY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Executive_of_the_Year_Award))
Doug Collins


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6th
Central
5th
47
35
.573
16
Won First Round (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_NBA_Playoffs) (Cavaliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988%E2%80%9389_Cleveland_Cavaliers_season)) 3–2
Won Conference Semifinals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_NBA_Playoffs) (Knicks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988%E2%80%9389_New_York_Knicks_season)) 4–2
Lost Conference Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_NBA_Playoffs) (Pistons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988%E2%80%9389_Detroit_Pistons_season)) 4–2[37] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-47)
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Doug Collins


1989–90 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989%E2%80%9390_Chicago_Bulls_season)
Eastern
3rd
Central
2nd
55
27
.671
4
Won First Round (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_NBA_Playoffs) (Bucks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989%E2%80%9390_Milwaukee_Bucks_season)) 3–1
Won Conference Semifinals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_NBA_Playoffs) (76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989%E2%80%9390_Philadelphia_76ers_season)) 4–1
Lost Conference Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_NBA_Playoffs) (Pistons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989%E2%80%9390_Detroit_Pistons_season)) 4–3[38] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-48)
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Phil Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Jackson)


1990–91 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990%E2%80%9391_Chicago_Bulls_season)
Eastern
1st
Central
1st
61
21
.744
—
Won First Round (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_NBA_Playoffs) (Knicks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990%E2%80%9391_New_York_Knicks_season)) 3–0
Won Conference Semifinals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_NBA_Playoffs) (76ers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990%E2%80%9391_Philadelphia_76ers_season)) 4–1
Won Conference Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_NBA_Playoffs) (Pistons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990%E2%80%9391_Detroit_Pistons_season)) 4–0
Won NBA Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_NBA_Finals) (Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990%E2%80%9391_Los_Angeles_Lakers_season)) 4–1[39] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-49)
Michael Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan)
(MVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Most_Valuable_Player_Award), FMVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_NBA_Finals_Most_Valuable_Player_Award ))[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-Bulls_History-8)
Phil Jackson


1991–92 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991%E2%80%9392_Chicago_Bulls_season)
Eastern
1st
Central
1st
67
15
.817
—
Won First Round (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_NBA_Playoffs) (Heat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991%E2%80%9392_Miami_Heat_season)) 3–0
Won Conference Semifinals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_NBA_Playoffs) (Knicks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991%E2%80%9392_New_York_Knicks_season)) 4–3
Won Conference Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_NBA_Playoffs) (Cavaliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991%E2%80%9392_Cleveland_Cavaliers_season)) 4–2
Won NBA Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_NBA_Finals) (Trail Blazers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991%E2%80%9392_Portland_Trail_Blazers_season)) 4–2[40] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-50)
Michael Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan)
(MVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Most_Valuable_Player_Award), FMVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_NBA_Finals_Most_Valuable_Player_Award ))[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-Bulls_History-8)
Phil Jackson


1992–93 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992%E2%80%9393_Chicago_Bulls_season)
Eastern
2nd
Central
1st
57
25
.695
—
Won First Round (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_NBA_Playoffs) (Hawks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992%E2%80%9393_Atlanta_Hawks_season)) 3–0
Won Conference Semifinals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_NBA_Playoffs) (Cavaliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992%E2%80%9393_Cleveland_Cavaliers_season)) 4–0
Won Conference Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_NBA_Playoffs) (Knicks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992%E2%80%9393_New_York_Knicks_season)) 4–2
Won NBA Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_NBA_Finals) (Suns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992%E2%80%9393_Phoenix_Suns_season)) 4–2[41] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-51)
Michael Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan)
(FMVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_NBA_Finals_Most_Valuable_Player_Award ))[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-Bulls_History-8)
Phil Jackson


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3rd
Central
2nd
55
27
.671
2
Won First Round (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_NBA_Playoffs) (Cavaliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993%E2%80%9394_Cleveland_Cavaliers_season)) 3–0
Lost Conference Semifinals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_NBA_Playoffs) (Knicks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993%E2%80%9394_New_York_Knicks_season)) 4–3[42] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-52)
Scottie Pippen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottie_Pippen)
(AMVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star_Game_Most_Valuable_Player_Award))[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-Bulls_History-8)
Phil Jackson


1994–95 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994%E2%80%9395_Chicago_Bulls_season)
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5th
Central
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47
35
.573
5
Won First Round (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_NBA_Playoffs) (Hornets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994%E2%80%9395_Charlotte_Hornets_season)) 3–1
Lost Conference Semifinals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_NBA_Playoffs) (Magic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994%E2%80%9395_Orlando_Magic_season)) 4–2[43] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-53)
—
Phil Jackson


1995–96 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995%E2%80%9396_Chicago_Bulls_season)
Eastern
1st
Central
1st
72
10
.878
—
Won First Round (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_NBA_Playoffs) (Heat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995%E2%80%9396_Miami_Heat_season)) 3–0
Won Conference Semifinals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_NBA_Playoffs) (Knicks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995%E2%80%9396_New_York_Knicks_season)) 4–1
Won Conference Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_NBA_Playoffs) (Magic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995%E2%80%9396_Orlando_Magic_season)) 4–0
Won NBA Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_NBA_Finals) (SuperSonics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995%E2%80%9396_Seattle_SuperSonics_season)) 4–2[44] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-54)
Michael Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan)
(MVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Most_Valuable_Player_Award), FMVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_NBA_Finals_Most_Valuable_Player_Award ), AMVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star_Game_Most_Valuable_Player_Award))
Phil Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Jackson) (COY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Coach_of_the_Year_Award))
Jerry Krause (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Krause) (EOY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Executive_of_the_Year_Award))
Toni Kukoč (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toni_Kuko%C4%8D) (SIX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Sixth_Man_of_the_Year_Award))
[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-Bulls_History-8)[45] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-Retired-55)
Phil Jackson


1996–97 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996%E2%80%9397_Chicago_Bulls_season)
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1st
Central
1st
69
13
.841
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Won First Round (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_NBA_Playoffs) (Bullets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996%E2%80%9397_Washington_Bullets_season)) 3–0
Won Conference Semifinals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_NBA_Playoffs) (Hawks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996%E2%80%9397_Atlanta_Hawks_season)) 4–1
Won Conference Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_NBA_Playoffs) (Heat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996%E2%80%9397_Miami_Heat_season)) 4–1
Won NBA Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_NBA_Finals) (Jazz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996%E2%80%9397_Utah_Jazz_season)) 4–2[46] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-56)
Michael Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan)
(FMVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_NBA_Finals_Most_Valuable_Player_Award ))[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-Bulls_History-8)
Phil Jackson


1997–98 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997%E2%80%9398_Chicago_Bulls_season)
Eastern
1st
Central
1st
62
20
.756
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Won First Round (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_NBA_Playoffs) (Nets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997%E2%80%9398_New_Jersey_Nets_season)) 3–0
Won Conference Semifinals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_NBA_Playoffs) (Hornets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997%E2%80%9398_Charlotte_Hornets_season)) 4–1
Won Conference Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_NBA_Playoffs) (Pacers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997%E2%80%9398_Indiana_Pacers_season)) 4–3
Won NBA Finals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_NBA_Finals) (Jazz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997%E2%80%9398_Utah_Jazz_season)) 4–2[47] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-57)
Michael Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jordan)
(MVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Most_Valuable_Player_Award), FMVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Russell_NBA_Finals_Most_Valuable_Player_Award ), AMVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_All-Star_Game_Most_Valuable_Player_Award))[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chicago_Bulls_seasons#cite_note-Bulls_History-8)
Phil Jackson



Just as a reference. I hear too often people talk about how the team was almost as good without Mike. They weren't. Some also seem to think Mike never missed a ring, he did. Still some think the Bulls had one real good season and the rest were struggles. You can see that they were right up there about 4 times.

[Killakobe81]

That's all fine and good but the point remains, Harden isn't getting to the line more than other superstars have. No one has argued that Harden is anywhere near Jordan or other superstars of the past. Why are you guys moving goalposts? The numbers are there.

Each player plays in the era in which they were drafted. They play under those rules with that officiating. Whatever gets the player to the line more often is what needs to be investigated. The players themselves have only tapped into it.

Granted, Harden probably gets a higher percentage of his points from the line than others have, but that's also because he doesn't score as often away from it as they did. When it stops producing they'll stop using it. I don't think it will translate to a ring. In Mike's highest FTA years I think he tapped out before the Finals. What it says is that a team is too reliant on one guy getting to the line.

Again I dont disagree and think he is being smart by taking advantage of the current refs. All superstars get calls . And even if I was iffy on him being one before this year (now he is a legit MVP candidate) he definitely gets treated like one if he is not one ...