(Power rankings)

[romsey31]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/4826798


DIME MAGAZINE HIT LIST
Rk Team Comment
1. Spurs
The best team in the League continues a flawless off-season. They signed Nick Van Exel as a backup to Tony Parker and as announced Thursday, San Antonio has won the Michael Finley free agent race. What can you say? How about "dynasty"?
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2. Suns
Like the Heat, this is a team that has also significantly changed from last season. While they'll still run the floor, they added some lumber in the paint with Kurt Thomas and Brian Grant — both solid additions. Losing Joe Johnson hurts, as does not landing Michael Finley. But they'll still give the Spurs a serious run.
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3. Pacers
We love the Pacers. Love them. Tough and scrappy, the Pacers fear no one. With a full lineup that boasts Sarunas Jasikevicius and an NBA-ready Danny Granger, barring some unforeseen catastrophe, they'll rep the East in the Finals.
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4. Pistons
If it ain't broke don't fix it. Somebody should've told the Miami …
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5. Heat
People will freak when they see that we have the Heat this low. They roll out strong with Flash and Shaq, but we're concerned about the team's chemistry with the all the new additions. Adding Michael Finley would help tremendously…
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6. Mavericks
They're a team in transition, but still good enough to best the majority of the League. But as Dirk continues to improve, his longtime sidekicks are dropping like flies.
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7. Cavaliers
The only Eastern Conference team to get after it more than the Bucks this summer has been the Cavs. They re-signed Z, and added Larry Hughes and Donyell Marshall — both signings designed to fill specific needs. Did we mention that they also have a cat named LeBron? Ridiculous.
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8. Rockets
We like the Derek Anderson signing, if only for the competition it will create in camp. And, as always, the question headed into camp: Has Yao Ming improved his strength and conditioning in the off-season?
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9. Nuggets
George Karl and Kiki went hard after Michael Finley, but to no avail. It looked like Spree was going to sign last week, which would help. But even if they do nab Spree, they're still a dead-eye sharpshooter away from being real contenders.
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10 Grizzlies
The Bobby Jackson/Damon Stoudamire pickups were solid. The Logo wins again.
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11 Kings
How nice of a fit is Shareef in Sac-Town? If he is solid and relatively healthy all season, the Kings could make some noise. We seriously question their toughness though. They've lost Bobby Jackson, Maurice Evans and look like they will probably lose Darius Songaila to the Bulls.
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12. Timberwolves
KG was upset about losing Sam Cassell, but deep down he knows his team will be better in the long run. Not that that puts any pressure on you now,does it Marko?
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[boutons]

try looking around before you post:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24540

[romsey31]

try looking around before you post:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24540


Sure has alot of grumpy posters on this board.

[TOP-CHERRY]

At least they didn't go all sarcastic on ya for posting something late!! :eyebrows

Inside joke, never mind...

[SpursWoman]

At least they didn't go all sarcastic on ya for posting something late!! :eyebrows

Inside joke, never mind...


:lol :lol




Sure has alot of grumpy posters on this board.


No, just a select few who make it interesting for the rest of us. :)

[Dex]

There's just been an unusual amounts of double posts going on lately. People are quick to jump on them, I guess.

In this case, the duplicate was only like 5 posts down, listed as Dime Magazines Power Rankings. If it was a snake, it woulda bit ya.

[THE X-FACTOR]

Sure has alot of grumpy posters on this board.

Give the Pacers fan some slack, remember they come from Indiana, they are kinda slow when it comes to reading and writing.

[smeagol]

At least they didn't go all sarcastic on ya for posting something late!! :eyebrows

Inside joke, never mind...
:lol

That tread was hillarious!

I presume it is a classic . . .

[Manu20]

At least they didn't go all sarcastic on ya for posting something late!! :eyebrows

Inside joke, never mind...

:lmao Classic!

[hussker]

According to Dictionry.com

Life: (n) Something that is possessed by those who have more to do than look for double posts and slam on those who do the double posting.

:)

[THE X-FACTOR]

According to Dictionry.com

Life: (n) Something that is possessed by those who have more to do than look for double posts and slam on those who do the double posting.

:)

The joke is funnier when you spell "Dictionary" right :blah :spin :lol

[hussker]

The joke is funnier when you spell "Dictionary" right :blah :spin :lol
That was the whole point...See, if you look on the REAL dictionary.com, then I would be lying... :lol

[hussker]

But then again, I would not expect a pissed-on to get it anywho and you probably get none of that either.

[hussker]

And you sure missed out on the trophy we will be earning over the next several yrs!

[romsey31]

Give the Pacers fan some slack, remember they come from Indiana, they are kinda slow when it comes to reading and writing.


I'm from Anguilla in the Caribbean, you were saying? You're just like all those other detrash fans you peice of shit. I never liked you.

[THE X-FACTOR]

I'm from Anguilla in the Caribbean, you were saying? You're just like all those other detrash fans you peice of shit. I never liked you.


I don't care where you are from and you don't have the right to call me names since you support a second rate basketball team :king

p.s. I never cared if you liked me

[SoupIsGood]

Give the Pacers fan some slack, remember they come from Indiana, they are kinda slow when it comes to reading and writing.

You are a very annoying person.

[ChumpDumper]

The joke is funnier when you spell "Dictionary" rightNo I think the other way makes it funnier -- could actually be the way he pronounces it....

[THE X-FACTOR]

You are a very annoying person.

thank you coming from a Pacers fan :)

[THE X-FACTOR]

No I think the other way makes it funnier -- could actually be the way he pronounces it....

the best part about it is he didn't mean to yet tried to cover it up :blah :lol

[romsey31]

the best part about it is he didn't mean to yet tried to cover it up :blah :lol


You wanna start correcting people and you dont know the difference between would have and would of.... :He's always over on our board talking smack like he's mr know it all.

This is the same ........who thinks rings determing how good a player is. Is Darko better than Jermaine Oneal??

THE X-FACTOR
Registered User Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 1,169

Re: Check this out

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I did not skew the stats at all, I showed every stat, games played, mpg, ppg, apg, rpg....... I was actually more surprised on how good Billups' stats are in the post season then comparing them to Parker or Tinsley's. I would of though his numbers would of sucked listening to some of you on this board like Indy Fan in MI.

[JamStone]

I think everyone who has responded to this thread is a retard ... and stupid me, that also includes me now.

[THE X-FACTOR]

This is the same ........who thinks rings determing how good a player is. Is Darko better than Jermaine Oneal??



Darko is not starter, JO is, case closed :king I think it's funny how I've heard for the past couple years how the Pacers were going to win it all and Reggie was going to get his ring :lol

[romsey31]

Darko is not starter, JO is, case closed :king I think it's funny how I've heard for the past couple years how the Pacers were going to win it all and Reggie was going to get his ring :lol


Yea its also more funny that your great Detroit team needed 6 games to beat half of our squad. Keep laughing son, the past doesnt matter now, I dont even know why I'm arguing with you, there's no prize for second place.

[ABDENOUR POWER]

Haha, you gotta love it how Pistons fans and Pacers fans hate each other just on principle. What a great rivalry, its the same thing with Pistons fans and Heat fans ... oh wait, everybody hates Heat fans! :lol

[romsey31]

Haha, you gotta love it how Pistons fans and Pacers fans hate each other just on principle. What a great rivalry, its the same with Pistons fans and Heat fans ... oh wait, everybody hates Heat fans! :lol


Heats suck, I got one word for all the Heat fans: KNICKS :lol

[ABDENOUR POWER]

:lmao

[THE X-FACTOR]

Yea its also more funny that your great Detroit team needed 6 games to beat half of our squad. Keep laughing son, the past doesnt matter now, I dont even know why I'm arguing with you, there's no prize for second place.

True, so until the Pacers win something go away, the thing is the Pacers didn't even come in second place last year, they came in third at best.

Funny? Half your squad? The Pacers had Miller, Tinsley, O'Neal, Jackson, D. Davis, Foster, Johnson, F. Jones, J. Jones, Gill, Pollard, and Croshere playing against the Pistons. I only see you missing Ron Artest, David Harrison, and John Edwards. Harrison and Edwards were left off the playoff roster. So that leaves only one player, if Artest is "half of our squad" then the Pacers are in trouble. :king

[romsey31]

Wouldnt it be funny if the Heats were the no 1 seed and NY was the 8 and NY knocked them out the playoffs again :lol

[romsey31]

True, so until the Pacers win something go away, the thing is the Pacers didn't even come in second place last year, they came in third at best.

Funny? Half your squad? The Pacers had Miller, Tinsley, O'Neal, Jackson, D. Davis, Foster, Johnson, F. Jones, J. Jones, Gill, Pollard, and Croshere playing against the Pistons. I only see you missing Ron Artest, David Harrison, and John Edwards. Harrison and Edwards were left off the playoff roster. So that leaves only one player, if Artest is "half of our squad" then the Pacers are in trouble. :king

We both saw what happened when we had out full team...you and I both know Detroit cannot beat The team that started last season, that double digit blow out in Detroit said it all.

BTW, good luck this yr, you'll need it :lol

[THE X-FACTOR]

We both saw what happened when we had out full team...you and I both know Detroit cannot beat The team that started last season, that double digit blow out in Detroit said it all.

BTW, good luck this yr, you'll need it :lol

I like how all Pacers fans base the entire season on the 9th game. Utah was 6-3 and in first place as well, are you saying that if Andrei Kirilenko had not gotten injured they would of won the Northwest? Remember the Pistons ended the season a league best 38-15 after Jan 1st even though they had a 4 game losing streak where they lost 3 of those 4 games all on the road by 3 points or less, another 3 game losing streak when Rip was out, and the Pistons rested all their starters the last game of the season and lost to the Bobcats. We both saw what happened when Detroit had a team that only went 7 deep last season, Detroit making it to the finals again said it all. :king


Luck?, I think the Pacers need more of it then the Pistons, the Pistons have been to the ECF's 4 years in a row and the finals twice. They speak through actions not words like the Pacers team and fanbase.

[romsey31]

I like how all Pacers fans base the entire season on the 9th game. Utah was 6-3 and in first place as well, are you saying that if Andrei Kirilenko had not gotten injured they would of won the Northwest? Remember the Pistons ended the season a league best 38-15 after Jan 1st even though they had a 4 game losing streak where they lost 3 of those 4 games all on the road by 3 points or less, another 3 game losing streak when Rip was out, and the Pistons rested all their starters the last game of the season and lost to the Bobcats. We both saw what happened when Detroit had a team that only went 7 deep last seaon, Detroit making it to the finals again said it all. :king


Luck?, I think the Pacers need more of it then the Pistons, the Pistons have been to the ECF's 4 years in a row and the finals twice. They speak through actions not words like the Pacers team and fanbase.

I can run off those numbers in 1998 1999 2000 , where was the Pistons then? Fucking cellar dwellers. Go head pop your shit, I ain got nothing more to say till June son.

[THE X-FACTOR]

I can run off those numbers in 1998 1999 2000 , where was the Pistons then? Fucking cellar dwellers. Go head pop your shit, I ain got nothing more to say till June son.

Wow it didn't long for you to give up and revert to immature name calling. Want to talk about the past? One question how many trips to the NBA finals and how many championships have the Pacers ever won?

[romsey31]

Wow it didn't long for you to give up and revert to immature name calling. Want to talk about the past? One question how many trips to the NBA finals and how many championships have the Pacers ever won?


Where did I call you names? You really want me to huh? Or do you want me to break down what the term cellar dwellers mean?

[THE X-FACTOR]

One question how many trips to the NBA finals and how many championships have the Pacers ever won?

One trip to the NBA finals and no NBA championships. :lol

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

We both saw what happened when we had out full team...you and I both know Detroit cannot beat The team that started last season, that double digit blow out in Detroit said it all.

BTW, good luck this yr, you'll need it :lol

You aren't serious are you?

Blowouts mean a lot, look at last year's Finals for proof...

[romsey31]

Let me show you how dumb you really are when you actually think you're smart. You say Pistons has been to the ECF 4 yrs in a row and the NBA Finals twice. So I say I can run off numbers, you say I want to bring up the past, when you were the one who actually did. I bring up facts like Pacers were among the elite in 1998 1999 2000 when Detroit were cellar dwellers you say I'm reverting to name calling because you realise I'm right and you have no reply....

Then when you finally get a grip on what Cellar dwellers mean you change the topic AGAIN and say Detroits only argument against Indy fans.....3 rings to none.

Sad....

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Let me show you how dumb you really are when you actually think you're smart. You say Pistons has been to the ECF 4 yrs in a row and the NBA Finals twice. So I say I can run off numbers, you say I want to bring up the past, when you were the one who actually did. I bring up facts like Pacers were among the elite in 1998 1999 2000 when Detroit were cellar dwellers you say I'm reverting to name calling because you realise I'm right and you have no reply....

Then when you finally get a grip on what Cellar dwellers mean you change the topic AGAIN and say Detroits only argument against Indy fans.....3 rings to none.

Sad....

I'll take cellar dwellars for a few years and then winning ANOTHER championship. Sure beats being competitive every year and winning NOTHING.

[romsey31]

I'll take cellar dwellars for a few years and then winning ANOTHER championship. Sure beats being competitive every year and winning NOTHING.


Word to the wise, avoid arguments with Detroit fans, they rant in circles.

[yeahone]

well i dont see no need argying who should fall in position 2-30 the most important thing is that we would beat any of the teams below us in the playoffs and the finals,,, hope that the next 29 teams have a lot of fun whilre the compete for second best in the league. ts just a pity that the team would come from the east.

[romsey31]

well i dont see no need argying who should fall in position 2-30 the most important thing is that we would beat any of the teams below us in the playoffs and the finals,,, hope that the next 29 teams have a lot of fun whilre the compete for second best in the league. ts just a pity that the team would come from the east.

Dont get too far ahead of your self son

[jermaine7fan]

Give the Pacers fan some slack, remember they come from Indiana, they are kinda slow when it comes to reading and writing.That was cold... I think you are confusing us with Kentucky

[jermaine7fan]

Darko is not starter, JO is, case closed :king I think it's funny how I've heard for the past couple years how the Pacers were going to win it all and Reggie was going to get his ring :lol
Donnie Walsh claimed that he will give Reggie a ring if we win in 2006...

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Donnie Walsh claimed that he will give Reggie a ring if we win in 2006...

Wouldn't that be like salting a wound?

[jermaine7fan]

True, so until the Pacers win something go away, the thing is the Pacers didn't even come in second place last year, they came in third at best.

Funny? Half your squad? The Pacers had Miller, Tinsley, O'Neal, Jackson, D. Davis, Foster, Johnson, F. Jones, J. Jones, Gill, Pollard, and Croshere playing against the Pistons. I only see you missing Ron Artest, David Harrison, and John Edwards. Harrison and Edwards were left off the playoff roster. So that leaves only one player, if Artest is "half of our squad" then the Pacers are in trouble. :king
Your squad when we met
C- Healthy Ben
PF- Healthy Rasheed
SF- Healthy Tayshaun (though quickly tiring)
SG- Slightly hampered Rip (something to do with his calf)
PG- Healthy Chauncey
Bench
Healthy McDyess
Healthy Hunter
Healthy Arroyo

Our Squad
C- Old Dale Davis
PF- One armed (left handed) Jermaine O'Neal
SF- Healthy Stephen Jackson
SG- Very Old and worn out Reggie Miller
PG- Playing for the first time in three months... and still injured Jamal Tinsley
Bench
Healthy Jeff Foster
Healthy James Jones
Healthy Anthony Johnson
Broken fingered Fred Jones
4 injuries at once Austin Croshere

That banged up team took you to six games... imagine what you will be facing this year compared to last year.

C - Foster (upgrade from playoffs)
PF - JO (upgrade from playoffs)
SF - Artest (upgrade from playoffs)
SG - Jackson (upgrade from playoffs)
PG - Tinsley (upgrade from playoffs)
Bench
Sarunas (upgraded)
Bender (upgraded)
Harrison (upgraded)
Granger (upgraded)
Fred Jones (upgraded)
Anthony Johnson (same)
Austin Croshere (upgraded)
Scott Pollard (same)
Eddie Gill (same)

your team
C - Ben (same)
PF - Rasheed (same)
Tayshaun (same)
Hamilton (barely less injured)
Billups (same)
Bench
Hunter (probably regressing some)
McDyess (same)
Arroyo (upgrade - should see more PT)
Dale Davis (probably regressing some)
Maurice Evans (upgrade)
Jason Maxiell (upgrade)
Darko (barely upgraded... still won't do shit)
Ronald Dupree (same)
Delfino (should upgrade some)

We have upgraded our spots far beyond what your team did... you will be our toughest competition outside of San Antonio... but San Antonio is the only serious threat.

[jermaine7fan]

Wouldn't that be like salting a wound?Us Pacer fans argue whether Reggie would take it or not. He is a man full of pride... but I believe Reggie would deserve one... we would not be the team we are today without him.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Us Pacer fans argue whether Reggie would take it or not. He is a man full of pride... but I believe Reggie would deserve one... we would not be the team we are today without him.

What if they won it in 2007 instead? It's retarded and rings hollow...

[THE X-FACTOR]

We both saw what happened when we had out full team...you and I both know Detroit cannot beat The team that started last season, that double digit blow out in Detroit said it all.

BTW, good luck this yr, you'll need it :lol

If the Pacers were so "great" before the brawl how did they lose at home by 34 to the Clippers in game 5th game of the season? So are you saying the Clippers were twice the team the Pistons or Pacers were? Again your arguments are weak and full of holes. You also have to remember that it was a 5 point game (79-84) half way through the fourth quarter.

[jermaine7fan]

What if they won it in 2007 instead? It's retarded and rings hollow...
2006 is the only chance... you all would have given one to Robinson if he had retired a year earlier... wouldn't you have? Oh... wait... consider David did not already win one in the '90s... would you have given him a ring in '03 if he had retired earlier that year without one?

[jermaine7fan]

If the Pacers were so "great" before the brawl how did they lose at home by 34 to the Clippers in game 5th game of the season? So are you saying the Clippers were twice the team the Pistons or Pacers were? Again your arguments are weak and full of holes. You also have to remember that it was a 5 point game (79-84) half way through the fourth quarter.Wow... I don't remember that... but everyone has a bad game now and again... that could have been the case with your Pistons in the seventh game too. But... you will still be falling this year... you have downgraded the most where it will hurt you the most... coaching.

Flip was the worst coach in the NBA last year... he did the worst considering the talent he had... You guys will still be tough this year... but your time at the very top is over.

[THE X-FACTOR]

Pacers Bench:
Sarunas (upproven in the NBA)
Bender (upproven - played a total of 74 games over the past 3 seasons)
Harrison (upproven)
Granger (upproven in the NBA)
Fred Jones (upgraded - 14 starts did help him get better)
Anthony Johnson (career year last season probably regressing some)
Austin Croshere (same)
Scott Pollard (same)
Eddie Gill (probably regressing some)

Detroit Bench:
Hunter (same)
McDyess (upgrade didn't come into his own until the playoffs)
Arroyo (upgrade - should see more PT)
Dale Davis (same)
Maurice Evans (upgrade)
Jason Maxiell (upproven)
Darko (upgrade - should see more PT)
Ronald Dupree (most likely won't make roster)
Delfino (upgrade)

[ShoogarBear]

Good God. Most consecutive posts without a Spurs fan.

[jermaine7fan]

Pacers Bench:
Sarunas (upproven in the NBA)
Bender (upproven - played a total of 74 games over the past 3 seasons)
Harrison (upproven)
Granger (upproven in the NBA)
Fred Jones (upgraded - 14 starts did help him get better)
Anthony Johnson (career year last season probably regressing some)
Austin Croshere (same)
Scott Pollard (same)
Eddie Gill (probably regressing some)

Detroit Bench:
Hunter (same)
McDyess (upgrade didn't come into his own until the playoffs)
Arroyo (upgrade - should see more PT)
Dale Davis (same)
Maurice Evans (upgrade)
Jason Maxiell (upproven)
Darko (upgrade - should see more PT)
Ronald Dupree (most likely won't make roster)
Delfino (upgrade)That is one way to look at it... I guess it is all just speculation at this stage... but I believe overall (including the starters you left out) Indiana is markedly improved over Detroit... you did not take into consideration the injury ridden Pacers as upgraded across the board due to their current health...
and we left off one of the most important aspects...
Rick Carlisle (same)
Flip Saunders (downgrade)

[THE X-FACTOR]

Flip was the worst coach in the NBA last year... he did the worst considering the talent he had... You guys will still be tough this year... but your time at the very top is over.

If Flip was the "worst coach in the NBA last year" then why did the team that fired him call him when the season ended and ask if he wanted his job back? If it's your opinion he was the worst coach then fine but it wasn't fact. How do you explain all the years Minnesota did well with no talent next to KG? They never lost in a playoff series in which they were the favored team. The year that Flip did get some talent (the year before Sprewell and Cassell went sour) he took them to the WCF's. :king

[THE X-FACTOR]

and we left off one of the most important aspects...
Rick Carlisle (same)


If Rick Carlisle stays the same that means an exit in the ECF's or before :lol

[jermaine7fan]

If Rick Carlisle stays the same that means an exit in the ECF's or before :lolRick should have won coach of the year last year for making the playoffs with a severly beaten roster... and he did phenominally in the playoffs too... you are just mad cause he could still be the Pistons coach... but instead you are stuck with Flip "run into the ground" Saunders :lol

[SoupIsGood]

Jeff and Stephen were also banged up...

[romsey31]

If Flip was the "worst coach in the NBA last year" then why did the team that fired him call him when the season ended and ask if he wanted his job back? If it's your opinion he was the worst coach then fine but it wasn't fact. How do you explain all the years Minnesota did well with no talent next to KG? They never lost in a playoff series in which they were the favored team. The year that Flip did get some talent (the year before Sprewell and Cassell went sour) he took them to the WCF's. :king


You really think you're smart dont you? With all the crap you come on here and say. Never lost when they were the favoured team? Was Detroit favoured over LA? No but they won didnt they? Flip is a terrible coach. THEY LOST 7 YRS IN A ROW in the first round !!!!

[romsey31]

If the Pacers were so "great" before the brawl how did they lose at home by 34 to the Clippers in game 5th game of the season? So are you saying the Clippers were twice the team the Pistons or Pacers were? Again your arguments are weak and full of holes. You also have to remember that it was a 5 point game (79-84) half way through the fourth quarter.

[romsey31]

If the Pacers were so "great" before the brawl how did they lose at home by 34 to the Clippers in game 5th game of the season? So are you saying the Clippers were twice the team the Pistons or Pacers were? Again your arguments are weak and full of holes. You also have to remember that it was a 5 point game (79-84) half way through the fourth quarter.

There you go again picking out what you want. How bout commenting on my other post. So what if it was a 5 point game in the 4th? What does that prove, it only makes my point stronger you got crushed when it really mattered.

[JamStone]

1. Those of you Pacer and Piston fans who are going unnecessarily going back in forth on "who's team is better on paper" do realize this is a SPURS messageboard, right?

2. Indiana's team is much improved from last year in terms of balance and shooting and depth. To deny it would be just hating.

3. Detroit has had four (4) 50 game winning season, three ECF appearances, two NBA finals appearances, and one championship over the last four years. To call them overachievers and simply state that they have been purely lucky and should have been beaten by Indiana and/or Miami is ALSO hating.

4. Rick Carlisle is a phenomenal coach. He may be a stubborn S.O.B. And, he may still need to work on his interpersonal skills with his players, but I think he's even improved on that since his Detroit years. Even as a Piston fan, I respect him a great deal.

5. Flip Saunders is far from the worst NBA coach over the last few years. Did you watch Lenny Wilkins in Toronto and New York? Did you see a New Jersey team completely give up on Byron Scott? Did you see what happened to a playoff contender with a top 5 player in Orlando under Doc Rivers? Does the name TIM FLOYD ring a bell? Ever heard of Alvin Gentry? Dan Issel getting calls from NBA franchises these days? Flip is no Rick Carlisle. He's not even in the same universe as Larry Brown. But, he is better than the WORST NBA COACH over the last few years. A statement like that shows a biased hate towards the Detroit franchise, just to hate.

6. What happens in the first third of the NBA season is markedly different than come May and June. The Pacers completely man-handled and beat up Detroit last November in the Palace, the night of the brawl. They were by far the better team. But, one regular season game, especially in the beginning of the season, does not mean one team is DEFINITELY the better team come May and June. That's just pure naive talk.

7. Healthy players in early September, two months before the season even starts is not the same as healthy players when the playoff season starts. To state that Jermaine O'Neal and Jamaal Tinsley are healthy now means nothing, because that does not guarantee that they will be healthy for the playoffs, especially with their history of injury. While Detroit has been fortunate not to have major injuries for their last two playoff runs, that is also a product of conditioning, hard work, and a training staff and strength & conditioning coach that is one of the best in all professional sports. You see, the Pistons have been beat up the last two seasons too, but not to the extent that a "charlie horse" or a "sprained ankle" or other lesser "bumps and bruises" will dehabilitate those players to the extent to severely disrupt their caliber of play. Call it want you want, but the Pistons have been healthier over the last two years for a reason. Luck is part of it, but not the only reason ...

8. It can be quite fun to "talk smack" back and forth with fans from other teams, but is the begninning of September really the time to do so? I have soooo much respect for the Indiana Pacers organization and especially what they accomplished last season. How come mutual respect is so hard to come by with sports fans these days? I'll talk as much smack as the next guy, but some of each of your respective smack is irrelevant, unfounded, unprovable, and just argumentative nonsense ...

OH YEAH ... and my dad is stronger than your dad!!

[SoupIsGood]

OH YEAH ... and my dad is stronger than your dad!!


Oh, now it is ON!! :spin

[THE X-FACTOR]

Great post JamStone, you pretty much covered it all. I like the Pacers team and franchise, I just can't stand their fans.

[romsey31]

Great post JamStone, you pretty much covered it all. I like the Pacers team and franchise, I just can't stand their fans.


They cant stand you either.

[THE X-FACTOR]

They cant stand you either.

Could it be because it is hard to hear the truth sometimes? :king

[sandman]

Great post JamStone, you pretty much covered it all. I like the Pacers team and franchise, I just can't stand their fans.


I flew up to Troy the night of Game 6 and sat in a sports bar surrounded by a great group of people who were rabidly passionate about their team. The next day at the office everyone was wearing their Pistons gear, and I got a few looks- not quite hostile, but not group-hug level either- because I had "unknowingly" packed my Spurs gear for the trip! :lol

Actually had to fly home the night of Game 7. I got a full dose of Pistons fans on the way to and at Wayne County, I got a full dose of Mavs fans at my layover in the sports bar at DFW seeing the last few minutes before the half, and a full dose of Rockets fans as I ran off the plan to the only open sports bar in Bush Intercontinental to see the final 43 seconds of the game.

I got hate from both the Mavs and Rocket fans. From Pistons fan? A grudging respect for being a very worthy advesary, for being fellow warriors. I respect that about their team and their fans.