Elite player question concerning the Kingslayer and Paul George

[$pursDynasty]

Not a war thread just an honest question over the last three years (before his preseason injury) Paul George was a 'consensus' top 10 player in the league, heck some would say top five or just outside of it. Was this a media creation seeing that the Pacers were the closest thing to competition that the Heat had in the East during their run, and they were trying to build up a narrative? Young ascending stud able to take on LBJ or was he truly that good? I ask because KL has shown me can check LBJ just as well if not better than PG ever has. Sure PG has a higher scoring average but he would since he has to carry an offensively challenged Pacer team while KL does not have to 'carry' the Spurs on offense. I heard on San Antonio radio last week the topic, is KL a top 10 player? The consensus was no but is the gap between KL and PG that great? Or is PG not a top 10 player either (meaning never was) and was just a media creation to create conversation. For me they seem to be very similar players, PG's game on offense is more developed but to me that seems more a result of opportunity than ability. To me there is no real gap in talent so for me if KL isn't a top 10 talent in this league and I am not saying that he is, then Paul George isn't either. Just looking for some objective agendaless opinions on the topic. I just recall PG being the next big thing but KL definitely not being top 10, and I don't see that big of a difference between them then again it might be a matter of out of sight, out of mind and I am forgetting how good PG was.

[100%duncan]

George had the hype while Kawhi lived up to it.

[hater]

truth is Leroids usually struggles vs. above average SFs.

Butler, Matrix 1.0, Matrix 2.0, George, etc, etc.

[K...]

Paul George had eastern conference hype: more tv appearances, easier post season competition.

He and kawhi are probably the same. Before kawhi went hard on LeBron it was Paul George who was the supposed LeBron stopper.

I don't know, back when George was allegedly top 10 kawhi was still unproven. But if be pretty certain that 5 and the lack of growth by George (on account of leg amputation) puts kawhi ahead. But both are 10-20

[Chinook]

George is closer to Green than Leonard in regards to his rivalry with Lebron. Paul and Danny are both friends with James, while Leonard seems like a more traditional rival. I don't think Danny's friendship hurts his ability to guard Lebron (it probably enhances it), but it does seem to hamper Paul.

[apalisoc_9]

I love Kawhi and obviously he is better than George.

But George is not all hype. Far from it. The dude is legit.

[$pursDynasty]

I love Kawhi and obviously he is better than George.

But George is not all hype. Far from it. The dude is legit.
wasn't questioning if PG is legit I think KL is the truth and is in the same league as PG so he is too, just more about the narrative that one is all that, and the other isn't when they appear similar.

[100%duncan]

I love Kawhi and obviously he is better than George.

But George is not all hype. Far from it. The dude is legit.

http://media.giphy.com/media/13qDpW3ZVVLQD6/giphy.gif

[SpursFan86]

I'd take pre-All Star break Paul George from last year over Kawhi this year tbh. He sort of fell off as the season went on though.

I think they're pretty close in terms of their impact. PG is a better scorer/ball-handler/offensive player in general, but Kawhi is a better rebounder and defender.

[hitmanyr2k]

I'd take pre-All Star break Paul George from last year over Kawhi this year tbh. He sort of fell off as the season went on though.

I think they're pretty close in terms of their impact. PG is a better scorer/ball-handler/offensive player in general, but Kawhi is a better rebounder and defender.

You could predict Paul George falling off last year because all the guy did was shoot long jumpers which was all well and good when they're falling but when the threes and longs twos stopped falling PG had nothing to fall back on. His slashing game is mediocre, midrange game is almost non-existent and he has no post game. I've never found him that impressive. He's a good perimeter defender but unlike Kawhi can get abused on the low block.

[100%duncan]

I'd take pre-All Star break Paul George from last year over Kawhi this year tbh. He sort of fell off as the season went on though.

I think they're pretty close in terms of their impact. PG is a better scorer/ball-handler/offensive player in general, but Kawhi is a better rebounder and defender.

I'll take Kawhi in the Finals last year than any type of player George will ever be tbh

[SpursFan86]

I'll take Kawhi in the Finals last year than any type of player George will ever be tbh

I mean if you want to use a 3 game sample size as your basis for judging players, go ahead.

[apalisoc_9]

obviously Kawhi is one of the best young Finals performer ever..

I mean I won't be able to name more than 5 current players with Kawhi's playoff dominance.

:lol

[apalisoc_9]

I mean if you want to use a 3 game sample size as your basis for judging players, go ahead.

Kawhi has been a monster in the last three years in the post season. Thanks for becoming a spurs fan last year bro..

Spurs need new fans for business.

[hater]

Matrix 1.0 > MATRIX 2.0 > Stumpy

[100%duncan]

I mean if you want to use a 3 game sample size as your basis for judging players, go ahead.

And what's your sample size for George, the regular season? :lol

[spurs10]

Interesting thought. I think of it being a bit apples and oranges specifically because of the offensive roles being so different.

I enjoy seeing Kawhi developing his offensive bag of tricks, but not many plays were run for him last year. That make his outstanding Finals performance all the more incredible. Hope PG is able to return from that accident....the worst I can remember seeing with the exception of that college kid around the same time.

[100%duncan]

That injury was the worst that could happen to him and to the league. East would have been so much more interesting. Imagine with the emergence of the Hawks, newly formed Cavs, and the Pacers gunning for that championship.

[spurs10]

That injury was the worst that could happen to him and to the league. East would have been so much more interesting. Imagine with the emergence of the Hawks, newly formed Cavs, and the Pacers gunning for that championship. :toast

[Clipper Nation]

I like Paul George, but the LeBron-hating media overrated him a bit because they were rooting for anyone to beat Miami :lol

[$pursDynasty]

I like Paul George, but the LeBron-hating media overrated him a bit because they were rooting for anyone to beat Miami :lol
I would say Lebron centric b/c for every Skip Bayless that is unrealistically critical there is another that on their knees servicing the 'king'. There are legions of both types.

[TheGreatYacht]

Matrix 1.0 > MATRIX 2.0 > Stumpy
This, tbh :lol

[SpursFan86]

And what's your sample size for George, the regular season? :lol

Paul George put up 19/7.5/5 in the 2013 playoffs, and 22/7.5/3.5 in last year's playoffs. He's shown that he can play well in the playoffs too.

[RD2191]

lol @ all the faggots in this thread. Kawhi owns lebron.

[dabom]

lol @ all the faggots in this thread. Kawhi owns lebron.

PG is a playoff choker 2 years in a row. :lmao

[RD2191]

PG is a playoff choker 2 years in a row. :lmao
these fags must of been watching a different playoffs than us.

[dabom]

these fags must of been watching a different playoffs than us.

I wake up to this shit. :lmao

[Hoops Czar]

I wake up to this shit. :lmao

It's 4PM Est time, 3PM CST (10 PM Riga time) and you just woke up?

[dabom]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201306030MIA.html 7 points :lmao game 7 pacers out
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201405300MIA.html scores 29 but after been blown out by like 30 the whole game. :lmao game 6 pacers out

[dabom]

It's 4PM Est time, 3PM CST (10 PM Riga time) and you just woke up?

You got a problem? :hat

[RD2191]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201306030MIA.html 7 points :lmao game 7 pacers out
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201405300MIA.html scores 29 but after been blown out by like 30 the whole game. :lmao
:lolthe great shit is obviously a lebron fan. i dont know how any spur fan can even agree with faggot. kawhi finals mvp tho:hat

[r0drig0lac]

Both are on the same level, PG is better playmaker, Kawhi to defend better, the rest is a draw

[dabom]

:lolthe great shit is obviously a lebron fan. i dont know how any spur fan can even agree with faggot. kawhi finals mvp tho:hat

Agreed man. PG13 needs to prove he is at kawhi's level first. :lol

[RD2191]

Has anyone not seen PGs shooting percentage? Kawhi could easily average 22 ppg if he bricked and shot as much as PG.

[RD2191]

PGs shooting percentage in the playoffs
.303
.389
..430
.438

Kawhi
.500
.545
.510

[dabom]

PGs shooting percentage in the playoffs
.303
.389
..430
.438

Kawhi
.500
.545
.510

:lmao

[dabom]

Shut this thread down. No more to see here. :lmao

[RD2191]

Shut this thread down. No more to see here. :lmao
these fucks are retarded. but kawhi doesn't drop 20 per game, well no shit, first of all it's the spurs who share the ball more than anyone, 2nd of all parker hero balls a shitload and used to ignore kawhi. kawhi would easily average 20 or more per game if he was the first option.

[dabom]

All hell yeah.

[K...]

lol @ all the faggots in this thread. Kawhi owns lebron.

Point out the fsggpts plz. You may lack reading comprehension. This was a discussion about pg and kl. Not sure what you read.
Then you and dabom proceeded to hand job each other. Must be nice to have forum friends. Looks like the only fsghots appeared one you and Dabom showed up.



Ps can I be your forum friends?

[dabom]

Point out the fsggpts plz. You may lack reading comprehension. This was a discussion about pg and kl. Not sure what you read.
Then you and dabom proceeded to hand job each other. Must be nice to have forum friends. Looks like the only fsghots appeared one you and Dabom showed up.



Ps can I be your forum friends?

No you cant. lol

[K...]

Seriously though, what gave you and rob the idea to misread read the thread and proceed to rebut a non existent argument? Maybe I'm wrong but you each look very dumb.

[dabom]

Seriously though, what gave you and rob the idea to misread read the thread and proceed to rebut a non existent argument? Maybe I'm wrong but you each look very dumb.

I say what I want. :lol

[dabom]

First of all this is a kawhi and pg comparison thread. I simply called out everyone for not calling out PG as a playoff choker.

[RD2191]

Point out the fsggpts plz. You may lack reading comprehension. This was a discussion about pg and kl. Not sure what you read.
Then you and dabom proceeded to hand job each other. Must be nice to have forum friends. Looks like the only fsghots appeared one you and Dabom showed up.



Ps can I be your forum friends?
Was I not discussing PG and KL?

[RD2191]

And no you can't be our friend.:wakeup

[apalisoc_9]

And no you can't be our friend.:wakeup

:lmao

Robdiaz is easily one of the best posters in this site tbh.

[RD2191]

:lmao

Robdiaz is easily one of the best posters in this site tbh.
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/db/db10103aef5ed40fee8f3b422810bf58d5b0649441dd93c4ae 2dfc207ee9a2ba.jpg

[tholdren]

I never thought george was that good. And even though I think kl is not a max I would take him over george. George has the ppg hype. Kawhi has the FMVP hype. I'd take Bruce bowen or prime manu at g/f than either of those 2 boners.

[tholdren]

Has anyone not seen PGs shooting percentage? Kawhi could easily average 22 ppg if he bricked and shot as much as PG.
PG 1st option kl 4th. PG is a better offensive player and kl defensive but neither would ring as the best player on team

[RD2191]

PG 1st option kl 4th. PG is a better offensive player and kl defensive but neither would ring as the best player on team
That's not what I'm saying. I'm simply talking ppg here. And it's up for debate seeing as Kawhi has never been the go to go guy on a team like PG is. Time will tell.

[K...]

lol @ all the faggots in this thread. Kawhi owns lebron.

Point them out. I'll grant you hater and tgy who else?

[rasuo214]

PPG is so overrated, yea if you take 17 shots a game you should be averaging 20+ ppg. No one on the Spurs is shooting more than 13 times a game so obviously they aren't going to average as much.


As far as PG goes he was a top 25 player, not sure what he'll be when he returns. Kawhi is easily top 15-20.

[Clipper Nation]

Point out the fsggpts plz.

^ Faggot #1

[Hoops Czar]

Malik needs to get in here and regulate his crew. Every thread they touch turns to shit.

[K...]

^ Faggot #1

Good call, at least by the time you showed up this thread had already shit the bed. Anyway kawhi > paul George >>>>>>>> LeBron

[still.focused]

George plays in a larger market, in a state that breathes bball and is better on offense than Kawhi
Its easier to sell the offense to the casual fans than it is the grunt & dirty work on defense that KL does
PG does get the benefit of some hype but its none of his doing.
That boy can hoop

[xellos88330]

Leonard to me gets the nod. I might have my Spurs glasses on, but I really am trying to be unbiased.

I give the nod to Leonard because I believe he is the superior defender. I think PG has more offensive skill than Leonard, but Leonard seems to be smarter with his shot selection.

[313]

I'd take pre-All Star break Paul George from last year over Kawhi this year tbh. He sort of fell off as the season went on though.

I think they're pretty close in terms of their impact. PG is a better scorer/ball-handler/offensive player in general, but Kawhi is a better rebounder and defender.

It was less of a fall off, and more of a regression to the mean. He was hot to start the season, but his longs twos weren't going to fall forever. Also teams adjusted to his game since he was only offensive threat on the pacers.

[$pursDynasty]

Just revisiting this thread for a minute. I originally wrote it before Kiwi's DPOY season. Heading into next season, how is Kiwi viewed league wide not just the ST universe? Where does Paul George rate in relation to him (assuming health)? I think both are top 15 but I feel the hierarchy has changed. LBJ, KD, AD, Steph, Westbrook, Harden, Blake, CP3, maybe LMA are the only ones I think might be consistently rated higher than the Kingslayer and PG13 but do they fall right there after those players or are players like John Wall, Gordon Hayward or DeRoazen considered better prospects? Max player isn't a good barometer of value since some max players aren't average and some are still underpaid Is Kiwi now considered top 15 and is PG now in that area since before the injury some would have you believe PG was top 5?