Game Thread - Spurs at Mavs - Tuesday, March 24 - 7:00 CST - another Spurs W

[spurtech09]

eh just not spurs night.....a lot of open shots not going in

[ElNono]

I think Pop mailed it in for tomorrow night?

[ironman2886]

Manu can't hit the 3 ball tonight... good looks
No one on the Spurs can.

[cjw]

Just delete the entire game tape save for that Kawhi sequence in the first where he ripped the ball out in open court, took down an offensive board over two guys and then hit a runner.

[r0drig0lac]

Friday comes the revenge

[crc21209]

Wide open shots and cant make shit. Fuck. I hope the Spurs blow these fucks out by 20+ on Friday..

[spursparker9]

Need to avoid GSW bracket tbh.

6 or 7 seed is safe. Don't accidentally get the 5 seed

[rasuo214]

Awful shooting, poor ball movement, sloppy defense. Hopefully they can regroup for tomorrow, I doubt Pop will bring in the starters unless something drastic happens and at this point he should take out Manu.

[ironman2886]

Can't win when Duncan, Parker and Ginobili all play like shit. Kawhi didn't do much better.

[spurtech09]

even though the mavs are winning im still not afraid of the mavs......

[Malik Hairston]

Amazing turnaround after such a dominant 1st quarter, tbh..amazing..

[bklynspursfan]

splitter was really good, yet he hasnt played much. wtf. ive never seen diaw and bonner play together

[SpurSwag]

This is such an annoying loss

[spurtech09]

aleast put some doubt in the mavs by catching up

[RD2191]

Amazing turnaround after such a dominant 1st quarter, tbh..amazing..
check out my 3rd qtr thread tbh

[CGD]

Wide open shots just not falling tonight.

[AlexJones]

Amazing turnaround after such a dominant 1st quarter, tbh..amazing..

Thanks for Parker boys

[Fireball]

Cliff jumpers. Team just blew out a much better team than Dallas. When shots aren't falling, it can look ugly as entire offense is out of ... in the end Atlanta does not have much motivation right now ... so we beat an EC team, but WC playoff teams are dominating us ... all of them

[spurtech09]

spurs can make it close....just don't give up

[HI-FI]

I think Pop mailed it in for tomorrow night?
Feels that way. Mavs treating it like the playoffs. If Pop keeps Parker on the bench then a comeback is possible.

[spurtech09]

lol flop

[ironman2886]

Carlisle with exact same defensive strategy. Gonna make Spurs drive.

[SpurPadre]

Cliff jumpers. Team just blew out a much better team than Dallas. When shots aren't falling, it can look ugly as entire offense is out of whack.

Unrelated but Rondo is pretty awful.

We don't have HCA, only one team seeded lower than 4 has ever won the title, and other teams ahead of us have an easier schedule than us the rest of the way. Meanwhile, we're losing to inferior team's like the Knicks in March, while choking games against elite teams. There's a pretty good reason to be worried.

[spurtech09]

Didn't know Splitter was that strong lol

[Darius Bieber]

We don't have HCA, only one team seeded lower than 4 gas ever won the title, and other teams ahead of us have an easier schedule than us the rest of the way. Meanwhile, we're losing to inferior team's like the Knicks in March, while choking games against elite teams. There's a pretty good reason to be worried.

[beirmeistr]

please leave tp on the bench, let him rest for westbrook

[Fireball]

We don't have HCA, only one team seeded lower than 4 has ever won the title, and other teams ahead of us have an easier schedule than us the rest of the way. Meanwhile, we're losing to inferior team's like the Knicks in March, while choking games against elite teams. There's a pretty good reason to be worried. absolutel agree here ...

[Malik Hairston]

in the end Atlanta does not have much motivation right now ... so we beat an EC team, but WC playoff teams are dominating us ... all of them

Atlanta was also playing their 1st game back home after a 6-game road trip..teams generally play poorly on their 1st game back after a road trip, so that win is a little skewed..

[Ditty]

Shoot the damn ball Kawhi!

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

I hope everyone on Dallas dies. Definitely my most hated team in the NBA.

[tholdren]

Fuck you splitter

[SpurPadre]

That said, I'm not cliffjumping. I just have the proper level of concern.

[Robz4000]

:lol that call

[Budkin]

Man we are lucky as shit we won Game 7 last year against these guys.

[UZER]

:lol Harris is always hitting 3s And jumpers against the Spurs...all the way back to 06.

Dude can't hit shit until he plays against SA.

[beirmeistr]

I hope everyone on Dallas dies. Definitely my most hated team in the NBA.

they will, eventually

[Budkin]

Spurs got full of themselves after the Hawks game and then the 1st quarter. Thought they would just coast the rest of the game.

[timtonymanu]

We don't have HCA, only one team seeded lower than 4 has ever won the title, and other teams ahead of us have an easier schedule than us the rest of the way. Meanwhile, we're losing to inferior team's like the Knicks in March, while choking games against elite teams. There's a pretty good reason to be worried.

The Spurs are just inconsistent. They still aren't anywhere near where they need to be, though. Patty and Tony being the biggest concerns

[SASdynasty!]

check out my 3rd qtr thread tbh
:bobo

[Sean Cagney]

Man we are lucky as shit we won Game 7 last year against these guys.

They blew them out game 7, was not close. Why do you say that exactly?

Last years Spurs were better though, no doubt about it at all. This team is frustrating this year and all over the place, no consistency at all.
The Spurs are just inconsistent. They still aren't anywhere near where they need to be, though. Patty and Tony being the biggest concerns

I agree 100% and yes that is a huge concern. 13 games left and they still look like this? One game they appear to be back or even two or so, then they go and do this after a big 1st Q. Very frustrating team to watch this year, period.

[Malik Hairston]

That said, I'm not cliffjumping. I just have the proper level of concern.

It's not really cliff-jumping this year, tbh..

People were absolutely cliff-jumping the past 2 years when they were concerned, as this team did look dominant during the regular season and didn't have too much mileage on them..it was foolish to doubt them, as I said many times..

This year, considering all the mileage from the past 2 years + the fact that they're still playing inconsistent basketball in March, there's no reason to believe the Spurs are anything more than a wildcard contender(meaning, if everything comes together in time, they can contend), it's not cliff-jumping IMO..

[Budkin]

:lol Harris is always hitting 3s And jumpers against the Spurs...all the way back to 06.

Dude can't hit shit until he plays against SA.

The sad part is that this is the first time we played them all year with a full team and they annihilate us.

[spurtech09]

patty final making a shot

[SASdynasty!]

I'm done defending Parker...

[ElNono]

Paddy!

[NASpurs]

I'll gladly take the loss if it means Patty gets his rhythm back.

[spurtech09]

ok whats the deal with these calls

[SASdynasty!]

I'm done defending Parker...
...until next game.

[Budkin]

They blew them out game 7, was not close. Why do you say that exactly?

Last years Spurs were better though, no doubt about it at all. This team is frustrating this year and all over the place, no consistency at all.

I just mean they gave us everything they had. Yes I know we were much better last year.

[Budkin]

I'll gladly take the loss if it means Patty gets his rhythm back.

This tbh.

[Splits]

Ellis continuing to shit all over Kawhi

[Sean Cagney]

It's not really cliff-jumping this year, tbh..

People were absolutely cliff-jumping the past 2 years when they were concerned, as this team did look dominant during the regular season and didn't have too much mileage on them..it was foolish to doubt them, as I said many times..

This year, considering all the mileage from the past 2 years + the fact that they're still playing inconsistent basketball in March, there's no reason to believe the Spurs are anything more than a wildcard contender(meaning, if everything comes together in time, they can contend), it's not cliff-jumping IMO..
This is dead on 100% accurate. Nobody is cliff jumping it's just the fact it's this late in the year and they still are playing like this with 13 games left. This is reality at this point, no if ands or butts about it.

[spurtech09]

a lot of open shots for the spurs

[timtonymanu]

That said, I'm not cliffjumping. I just have the proper level of concern.

Not invalid to be right now. This doesn't look like a contender out there. Don't know if it's just bored or Father Time.

[ironman2886]

Nope. Mills still isn't back.

[Darius Bieber]

Ellis with 34... God, the Spurs suck.

[spurtech09]

Ellis continuing to shit all over Kawhi can't do everything

[beirmeistr]

im sick of that little thug

[TXstbobcat]

Verde333333333333

[Ditty]

I know pop doesn't want to show his cards against Dallas just in case we play then in the playoffs but it's pretty ridiculous to see Monta destroy Leonard over and over again.

[spurtech09]

these refs man

[Johnny RIngo]

...until next game.

Probably should wait until Friday. He's playing Westbrook tomorrow night who's made a career of shitting on poor Tony

[Southwest Texas Fan]

Mavericks getting all the calls in their favor.

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

Dirk blowing the refs before the game.

[Darius Bieber]

I know pop doesn't want to show his cards against Dallas just in case we play then in the playoffs but it's pretty ridiculous to see Monta destroy Leonard over and over again.

If Pop did show all his "cards" during last season's playoffs against Dallas, then he is a shitty coach.

[spursparker9]

I'm done defending Parker...

Enrique gonna get annihilated by MVP westbrook tml tbh

[timtonymanu]

Only Leonard, Green, and Tiago before this Dallas performance look playoff ready. The rest of the team still looks out of rhythm.

[beirmeistr]

I know pop doesn't want to show his cards against Dallas just in case we play then in the playoffs but it's pretty ridiculous to see Monta destroy Leonard over and over again.

what cards?

[spurraider21]

mills is terrible

[Budkin]

Goddamn, outscored by 24 since the 1st.

[spurtech09]

that's what im talking about....don't give up.....

[Darius Bieber]

that's what im talking about....don't give up.....

This game is over. All the Spurs are doing now is risking injury.

[ironman2886]

Mills, stop stepping up. Jesus Christ. Attempt a three, MFer

[Ditty]

what cards?

Green on Ellis.

[Rob123]

This fucking guy can't make a ft when it counts

[SpurPadre]

Kawhi missing crunch time fts per par

[Southwest Texas Fan]

Damn Kawhi.

[spurtech09]

see if you keep trying to see results

[loveforthegame]

Leonard. :tu

[NASpurs]

Buttholes are puckering

[hitmanyr2k]

The Mavs are trying their best to choke this game. The Spurs just haven't made wide open shots this quarter.

[TXstbobcat]

Leonard is going to to it all himself this game

[timtonymanu]

:cry buh buh Leonard isn't better than the Big 3

[Robz4000]

Superstar play by Kawhi

[AlexJones]

wow big dick move

[spurtech09]

people here in SP need to stop crying lol....

[Capt Bringdown]

Mills at 38% this season. I don't know if we can afford to keep him on the court.

[AlexJones]

Give Chandler Parsons the fucking ball.. jesus christ.

[tholdren]

Splitter sucks ass

[Malik Hairston]

Green has killed the Mavs' offense on 3 straight possessions, tbh..

Maybe Pop shouldn't have sat him for the first fucking 8 minutes of the quarter:lol..

[NASpurs]

:lmao Pop's always so late with his fucking adjustments. Seriously Green on Ellis now with 4 minutes left in the game?

[spurtech09]

The Mavs are trying their best to choke this game. The Spurs just haven't made wide open shots this quarter.it cause the mavs are not that good

[LakerHater]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA6ErxFXIAAPoeQ.jpg:large

[ironman2886]

:lmao Pop's always so late with his fucking adjustments. Seriously Green on Ellis now with 4 minutes left in the game?
Yep. Didn't he do that last year?

[DarrinS]

:lmao Pop's always so late with his fucking adjustments. Seriously Green on Ellis now with 4 minutes left in the game?

No kidding.

[Fireball]

Mills at 38% this season. I don't know if we can afford to keep him on the court. what are we gonna do? Joseph only seems to bring it as a starter ...

[spurtech09]

don't care if the spurs win just keep pushing

[spurtech09]

wide open

[RD2191]

crofl. comeback with parker on the bench. shocking.

[NASpurs]

UGH BOBO damnit :pctoss:

[Darius Bieber]

That's game. Gonna be tired for the OKC game.

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

I'm done with Diaw. What has he done this season?

[loveforthegame]

Ellis just blew by Green.

[spurtech09]

danny is on fire

[timtonymanu]

Ugh Diaw's useless fat ass

[TXstbobcat]

Verde3333333333

[loveforthegame]

Verde 3.

[spurtech09]

lol refs with the bailout call

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

Spurs gotta play 5 on 8.

[Southwest Texas Fan]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA6ErxFXIAAPoeQ.jpg:large

:lmao

[hitmanyr2k]

For fuck's sake. All you have to do is fall down after a shot these days and it's an automatic foul.

[Darius Bieber]

faggot ass Parsons. Sometimes I wish Bowen was back just to fuck up faggots like Ellis and Parsons.

[KaiRMD1]

Parsons kept one thing from his houston rockets days I see, the flop after the shot.

[HI-FI]

Officiating has been dogshit for the most part. Pop must've realized it from the start.

[loveforthegame]

Parsons just falling down and refs are going for it. :td

[SASdynasty!]

crofl. comeback with parker on the bench. shocking.
Aka statpadding

[Malik Hairston]

:lol so many whistles on offensive flops in this quarter, tbh..

[ironman2886]

I'm done with Diaw. What has he done this season?
Not a damn thing. He regressed big time. Only worried about him and Patty for playoffs.

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

Adam Silver is a bitch. NBA refs are becoming bigger and bigger pussies everyday. I miss basketball, I don't like refball.

[Southwest Texas Fan]

Is Joey Crawford referring again?

[spurtech09]

well atleast the spurs kept pushing......refs stuck it up again

[SASdynasty!]

Lol Monta destroying us

[NASpurs]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA6ErxFXIAAPoeQ.jpg:large

:lol shit went downhill after that first quarter... once Pop met up with that faggot

[Budkin]

I'm done with Diaw. What has he done this season?

He won his ring and got fat and lazy again.

[timtonymanu]

If the Spurs don't bring this Mavs intensity tomorrow, I will officially write them off as contenders.

[spurtech09]

The Mavs are still weak

[Darius Bieber]

Faggot ass Mavs fouling on a layup with 2 seconds left.

[spurtech09]

:lol shit went downhill after that first quarter... once Pop met up with that faggotAre you serious bro

[KaiRMD1]

Jeff Ayres, the sure sign we are going to lose

[cantthinkofanything]

Awful.

[Southwest Texas Fan]

He won his ring and got fat and lazy again.

If that guy had the competitors mentality he'd be scary.

[ElNono]

tough loss due to the great start... this team needs to remember they can't coast for quarters on end...

[Johnny RIngo]

This season:

$3 mil - Kawhi's salary
$13 mil - Tony's salary

One of 'em is the best player on the team and top ten in the league in overall impact. The other looks like a role player on most nights and has trouble defending D-Leaguers.

Blows my mind that Spurs were hesitant to give Kawhi the max but rushed to give Enrique that ridiculous $45 mil extension

[SpurPadre]

Hate playing a team on the road after their coach calls them out. 9/10 it results in a loss.

[Ditty]

Well I predicted the Spurs to lose this game. So annoying to see Monta go off and Poo not make any adjustments with Green on him. Hope we show up tomorrow.

[crc21209]

So who wants to bet Monta goes like 10-25 on Friday? :lol

[Perry Mason]

People can hate on TP. But with him as the number one option for the last 3 years, look at the Spurs' offense and record. And with Kawhi as the offensive centerpiece? See this season. I can't believe people are so blind and ungrateful. I hope your families shit on you when age limits you and makes you infirm. See if you can take what you dish. Father Time catches up with us all.

oh and this team is going nowhere this postseason. It was a nice run. Got 5 so I don't care.

[Spurs21Fan4Ever]

Cut Diaw this offseason. He used to care.

[Budkin]

We just don't have it this year. Never been able to fully turn the corner.

[Darius Bieber]

Mavs are off until Friday against the Spurs. Mavs by 30 and OKC by 40, Memphis by 50.

[apalisoc_9]

Pop really likes to purposely lose these games..

[BillMc]

Hate playing a team on the road after their coach calls them out. 9/10 it results in a loss.

Truth

[Capt Bringdown]

Pop's game plan against the Mavs: "OK guys, let's play scared."

[Mikeanaro]

People can hate on TP. But with him as the number one option for the last 3 years, look at the Spurs' offense and record. And with Kawhi as the offensive centerpiece? See this season. I can't believe people are so blind and ungrateful. I hope your families shit on you when age limits you and makes you infirm. See if you can take what you dish. Father Time catches up with us all.

oh and this team is going nowhere this postseason. It was a nice run. Got 5 so I don't care.
If you dont care and this team is going nowhere, whats wrong with being blind and disgraful... HOMO!

[timtonymanu]

tough loss due to the great start... this team needs to remember they can't coast for quarters on end...

How many times are they gonna learn though? I know its just the regular season but they can't be a low seed heading into the playoffs especially with how subpar they've been on the road this season. they need to get into rhythm. Pop's rotations and coaching this year isn't helping as well.

[Darius Bieber]

Spurs need to win 6 out of the last 9 games to make it to 50... Playing against the Mavs, Thunder (2x), Grizzlies, Heat, Magic, Nuggets, Warriors, and Rockets..... LOL never gonna happen. 50 win streak ends now.

[cantthinkofanything]

People can hate on TP. But with him as the number one option for the last 3 years, look at the Spurs' offense and record. And with Kawhi as the offensive centerpiece? See this season. I can't believe people are so blind and ungrateful. I hope your families shit on you when age limits you and makes you infirm. See if you can take what you dish. Father Time catches up with us all.oh and this team is going nowhere this postseason. It was a nice run. Got 5 so I don't care.This made me lol. Crazy ass reaction.

[crc21209]

Truth

Exactly. Saw this shit coming. Fuck Carlisle too, out of all times to rip into his team, he did it right before they played the Spurs at home, of course. My buddy from Dallas said media there has been shitting all over Ellis on talk TV and radio, so you know he was gonna come out guns blazing too. :td

[timtonymanu]

People can hate on TP. But with him as the number one option for the last 3 years, look at the Spurs' offense and record. And with Kawhi as the offensive centerpiece? See this season. I can't believe people are so blind and ungrateful. I hope your families shit on you when age limits you and makes you infirm. See if you can take what you dish. Father Time catches up with us all.

oh and this team is going nowhere this postseason. It was a nice run. Got 5 so I don't care.

Shut up, you old, Enrique loving faggot.

Those 2012-2013 titles he gave us really mean something.

[hitmanyr2k]

How many times are they gonna learn though? I know its just the regular season but they can't be a low seed heading into the playoffs especially with how subpar they've been on the road this season. they need to get into rhythm. Pop's rotations and coaching this year isn't helping as well.

What's with his continued love affair with Matt Bonner? I don't get it. What does Bonner actually contribute in a game these days besides supposedly spacing the floor?

[ironman2886]

If the Spurs don't bring this Mavs intensity tomorrow, I will officially write them off as contenders.
I agree. Pop needs to solidify the rotation, and give the big three and Kawhi a swift kick in the ass. Trickle down to the bench.

[timtonymanu]

Exactly. Saw this shit coming. Fuck Carlisle too, out of all times to rip into his team, he did it right before they played the Spurs at home, of course. My buddy from Dallas said media there has been shitting all over Ellis on talk TV and radio, so you know he was gonna come out guns blazing too. :td

No excuse for our guys to play like shit though especially with the start they had. If the Spurs are serious about repeating, they would get this win regardless.

[ElNono]

People can hate on TP. But with him as the number one option for the last 3 years, look at the Spurs' offense and record. And with Kawhi as the offensive centerpiece? See this season. I can't believe people are so blind and ungrateful. I hope your families shit on you when age limits you and makes you infirm. See if you can take what you dish. Father Time catches up with us all.

oh and this team is going nowhere this postseason. It was a nice run. Got 5 so I don't care.

typical player-fan reaction, smh... you could've said all that without having to take a knock on Kawhi, tbh...

[timtonymanu]

typical player-fan reaction, smh... you could've said all that without having to take a knock on Kawhi, tbh...

Yep a disgraceful and embarrassing post.

[RD2191]

Yep a disgraceful and embarrassing post.

[SpurPadre]

Seeing how easily Irving and now Monte have gone off on us, and how TP isn't getting any back-up PG help, is very disturbing. I can see Curry averaging 40 ppg against us in the playoffs.

[Darius Bieber]

Yep a disgraceful and embarrassing post.

[Clipper Nation]

Yep a disgraceful and embarrassing post.

[gameFACE]

Ricky calls out the Mavs. They play at home. Spurs got fat after the Hawks win. Spurs lose. Predictable.

[Malik Hairston]

Yep a disgraceful and embarrassing post.

[Harry Callahan]

Mavs and their fans acting like its the playoffs.Jesus Christ.

Mav fans are ignorant douchebags in many cases.

ISO chuck it monkeyball will translate into a short playoff for the Mavericks.

The Spurs had a chance to put the Mavericks away and just farted around in the second quarter.

I am sick of the retard Monta Ellis palming the ball EVERY time he makes a move. It's a joke.

Dallas basically tries to slap a team together year after year and was lucky enough not to fail once - of course it helped that Manu Ginobili broke his elbow that year.

Mavies are frauds really.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Yep a disgraceful and embarrassing post.

[DMC]

It's crazy how he's gone from the best post player in the league to one of the worst. He also can't hit an outside shot consistently anymore... :/
He's had spotty stretches before, as far back as the Finals in 2005 in game 4. He's still very important to the team, he's not causing problems. Errors needs to go. I give Tony the benefit of the doubt because he's paid his dues time and again, but Tony isn't the Tony we need him to be.

The truth of the matter is that this team is a system run team. There is no great individual talent. It's as if the team is one player, and when that one player isn't feeling right, he doesn't play well. Some other teams that play more isoball, those guys can have someone step up and carry the load on offense while the rest of the team struggles, because it's not hard for 4 guys to stand around and watch. The Spurs motion offense is predicated on every single player on the floor doing what they are supposed to be doing, when they are supposed to be doing it, every time down the floor. It's not happening, so it makes good players look poor since there are not that many "better best" moments on offense. On defense, I see a couple guys cranking it up and the rest just mailing it in. I saw KL make a brilliant move to keep Ellis from going around a pick, forcing him down the lane. Tim and Boris just stepped out of his way and watched him run right by. Don't want to risk fouling him. The help defense wasn't there, to say the least.

You'd hope a team like that doesn't just take nights off when they're not on a b2b, but it looked like they were doing that tonight. They just lost interest once the Mavs got up by 10 or so.

If a song plays out, then a career in something as mundane as basketball must also play out eventually. Even great music plays out, you get tired of it. You cannot watch the same movie countless times. You cannot play the game of basketball forever and be just as enthusiastic about it as you were in the beginning, at least if you have a high IQ. Low IQ types seem to remain just as focused putting the same nut on the same bolt for 35 years, never once questioning what came before or after their station. Tim isn't one of those. He cannot be that interested in playing still. Interested in the team, sure. Interested in basketball, perhaps. Interested in earning money, absolutely, but interested in playing like it's important every single night? Probably not. He'll never say that though, nor will any of them except Pop. Pop will say that the game grows tiresome.

Maybe it's time for new blood on the throne.

[Johnny RIngo]

typical player-fan reaction, smh... you could've said all that without having to take a knock on Kawhi, tbh...

Well, he's no longer making basketball analogies to Obamacare so it's an improvement from his usual garbage.

[Sean Cagney]

I just mean they gave us everything they had. Yes I know we were much better last year.

Oh okay and I agree fully with you there.

[SASdynasty!]

People can hate on TP. But with him as the number one option for the last 3 years, look at the Spurs' offense and record. And with Kawhi as the offensive centerpiece? See this season. I can't believe people are so blind and ungrateful. I hope your families shit on you when age limits you and makes you infirm. See if you can take what you dish. Father Time catches up with us all.

oh and this team is going nowhere this postseason. It was a nice run. Got 5 so I don't care.
/thread

[Harry Callahan]

So who wants to bet Monta goes like 10-25 on Friday? :lol

Monta is a punk. He was bitching about having Chandler Parsons making $17M per year and he makes $8M. When Jim Carrey calls them out as selfish dogs, Monta Ellis plays like a selfish dog.

The Mavericks will go nowhere. This was a game of desperation where their coach called them out and the Spurs played it like one of 82.

[Perry Mason]

typical player-fan reaction, smh... you could've said all that without having to take a knock on Kawhi, tbh...


I have never been a "player-fan", whatever that is. El Nono I can't believe you are becoming one of Harlem's butt-boys. How sad. The "knock" on Kawhi is 100% accurate. He is not consistent on offense. Pop agrees and has said so. So....believe you or Pop?

[SASdynasty!]

I have never been a "player-fan", whatever that is. El Nono I can't believe you are becoming one of Harlem's butt-boys. How sad. The "knock" on Kawhi is 100% accurate. He is not consistent on offense. Pop agrees and has said so. So....believe you or Pop?
You know a true player fan by the guys who make threads simply to bring down one player (to prop up their guy). Defending a player is one thing, but constantly ragging on a guy (especially one who's been playing great lately) is another level of insecurity.

[ElNono]

I have never been a "player-fan", whatever that is. El Nono I can't believe you are becoming one of Harlem's butt-boys. How sad. The "knock" on Kawhi is 100% accurate. He is not consistent on offense. Pop agrees and has said so. So....believe you or Pop?

"Not consistent" is not the same that taking a swipe at him. And no, he's not been the centerpiece on offense, he's not even top 3 in FGA for the Spurs this season. He's been by far our best defender all season long, covering a lot for those old asses that you referred to in your post. He has a bigger role and he's learning.

I agree with the hating being stupid, but you don't need to drag other players down to back it up. When Tony plays well, I've been first in line to praise him. When he plays bad, like tonight, well, some people will certainly bring it up...

[ElNono]

Actually, this whole 'Tony hate' meme is nothing, nada compared to the vitriol over Gino after the 2013 Finals...

The playoffs are around the corner, and I believe in Tony. I think if his speed is there, he can be effective.

[DarrinS]

Actually, this whole 'Tony hate' meme is nothing, nada compared to the vitriol over Gino after the 2013 Finals...


True

[313]

Actually, this whole 'Tony hate' meme is nothing, nada compared to the vitriol over Gino after the 2013 Finals...
1.) The Tony hate has been way worse. It is literally the only topic discussed here anymore.
2.) Tony didn't singe-handedly cost us a championship.

[SASdynasty!]

"Not consistent" is not the same that taking a swipe at him. And no, he's not been the centerpiece on offense, he's not even top 3 in FGA for the Spurs this season. He's been by far our best defender all season long, covering a lot for those old asses that you referred to in your post. He has a bigger role and he's learning.

I agree with the hating being stupid, but you don't need to drag other players down to back it up. When Tony plays well, I've been first in line to praise him. When he plays bad, like tonight, well, some people will certainly bring it up...
Lol

[SASdynasty!]

1.) The Tony hate has been way worse. It is literally the only topic discussed here anymore.
2.) Tony didn't singe-handedly cost us a championship.
Nuked

[DarrinS]

Opposing PG's having career or season best games against us is getting old.

[ElNono]

1.) The Tony has been way worse. It is literally the only topic discussed here anymore.
2.) Tony didn't singe-handedly cost us a championship.

1.) False. Until after the 2015 WCF, there as not a single game thread without posters bitching at Gino (esp after any kind of turnover).
2.) Debatable (see: 2012).

But the reality is that the Spurs always expect more from Gino than Tony in the playoffs, so it's somewhat understandable.

[Johnny RIngo]

Opposing PG's having career or season best games against us is getting old.

Well the idea is to hide your shitty defender on a scrub on the opposing team. Unfortunately, D-Leaguers like Galloway still manage to go off regardless. Parker's defense is that bad this season. I can understand if he was conserving his energy for offense but he's not exactly lighting it up on the other end either

[ElNono]

Lol

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232598
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245165&p=7860234&viewfull=1#post7860234

Nuked, next

[Johnny RIngo]

1.) The Tony hate has been way worse. It is literally the only topic discussed here anymore.
2.) Tony didn't singe-handedly cost us a championship.

2004, 2006, 2013 all apply to Tony imo. He had some horrible series against the Lakers, Mavs, and Heat.

[DarrinS]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232598
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245165&p=7860234&viewfull=1#post7860234

Nuked, next

:lol

[ElNono]

Heck I discussed Gino with Johnny RIngo a ton during Manu's struggling seasons...

[313]

2004, 2006, 2013 all apply to Tony imo. He had some horrible series against the Lakers, Mavs, and Heat.
I'll give you the Lakers series in 2004. He had two bad games in the Dallas series(2006, right), but he also had games where he scored 33, 27, and 24 respectively. 24 being in the elimination we lost.

2013
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/bdV0XsrWl8g/hqdefault.jpg

[313]

But the reality is that the Spurs always expect more from Gino than Tony in the playoffs, so it's somewhat understandable.
:lol

But no, the hate for Manu was not as extreme. Yes, we referred to him as turnobli and such, but every thread wasn't "this is why Manu Ginobili is bad and should be benched/traded". When he started playing well, he was given his props too. With Tony, even when he plays well he's still bashed or given backhanded compliments.

[ElNono]

I'll give you the Lakers series in 2004. He had two bad games in the Dallas series(2006, right), but he also had games where he scored 33, 27, and 24 respectively. 24 being in the elimination we lost.

It never is on one player. This has been debated to death. You can count Hedo in 2004 being a choker too. Manu in 2013 was putrid, despite his great game 5 and solid game 7, but the Spurs collectively sunk: Danny couldn't hit a 3 anymore, Tony was hurt/couldn't score... People say Sefolosha on Tony turned the 2012 series, but Danny again couldn't hit for shit in that series... you can go on an on...

[ElNono]

:lol

But no, the hate for Manu was not as extreme. Yes, we referred to him as turnobli and such, but every thread wasn't "this is why Manu Ginobili is bad and should be benched/traded". When he started playing well, he was given his props too. With Tony, even when he plays well he's still bashed or given backhanded compliments.

People wanted him to sign for the vet minimum and he was insulted up and down when he took his current $7m deal, which in hindsight was an absolute bargain...

[313]

fwiw I'm not a parker stan. I defended Manu when he was struggling as well.

I've never seen a fan base that hated their players so much. I thought it was a nationality thing(frenchies vs argentines) when I first started posting here, but now I don't know..

I don't live in SA but I assume most fans aren't as divided

[ElNono]

fwiw I'm not a parker stan. I defended Manu when he was struggling as well.

I've never seen a fan base that hated their players so much. I thought it was a nationality thing(frenchies vs argentines) when I first started posting here, but now I don't know..

I don't live in SA but I assume most fans aren't as divided

There's a lot of garbage schticks going on in here too, tbh...

[SASdynasty!]

fwiw I'm not a parker stan. I defended Manu when he was struggling as well.

I've never seen a fan base that hated their players so much. I thought it was a nationality thing(frenchies vs argentines) when I first started posting here, but now I don't know..

I don't live in SA but I assume most fans aren't as divided
I live here and generally the fan base loves Tony. It's just a few guys here that need to denigrate him to prop up other players (namely Kawhi). It's similar with a few on NBA Forum, but they do it to prop up Duncan's legacy (as if it doesn't speak for itself). Duncan is still a top-5 All-time player regardless of what Parker has accomplished. Kawhi is still one of the best players in the game (probably the best peremiter defender) and has almost unlimited potential.

[TDfan2007]

He's had spotty stretches before, as far back as the Finals in 2005 in game 4. He's still very important to the team, he's not causing problems. Errors needs to go. I give Tony the benefit of the doubt because he's paid his dues time and again, but Tony isn't the Tony we need him to be.

The truth of the matter is that this team is a system run team. There is no great individual talent. It's as if the team is one player, and when that one player isn't feeling right, he doesn't play well. Some other teams that play more isoball, those guys can have someone step up and carry the load on offense while the rest of the team struggles, because it's not hard for 4 guys to stand around and watch. The Spurs motion offense is predicated on every single player on the floor doing what they are supposed to be doing, when they are supposed to be doing it, every time down the floor. It's not happening, so it makes good players look poor since there are not that many "better best" moments on offense. On defense, I see a couple guys cranking it up and the rest just mailing it in. I saw KL make a brilliant move to keep Ellis from going around a pick, forcing him down the lane. Tim and Boris just stepped out of his way and watched him run right by. Don't want to risk fouling him. The help defense wasn't there, to say the least.

You'd hope a team like that doesn't just take nights off when they're not on a b2b, but it looked like they were doing that tonight. They just lost interest once the Mavs got up by 10 or so.

If a song plays out, then a career in something as mundane as basketball must also play out eventually. Even great music plays out, you get tired of it. You cannot watch the same movie countless times. You cannot play the game of basketball forever and be just as enthusiastic about it as you were in the beginning, at least if you have a high IQ. Low IQ types seem to remain just as focused putting the same nut on the same bolt for 35 years, never once questioning what came before or after their station. Tim isn't one of those. He cannot be that interested in playing still. Interested in the team, sure. Interested in basketball, perhaps. Interested in earning money, absolutely, but interested in playing like it's important every single night? Probably not. He'll never say that though, nor will any of them except Pop. Pop will say that the game grows tiresome.

Maybe it's time for new blood on the throne.

He's still really good, but noticeably slower and less springy than last season. Not sure if we can survive the playoffs without Tim playing at least like he did last season.

And as for Timmy and the team's fire, I do believe that they've lost a bit of interest in the regular season. That's the only explanation for the roller coaster ride this season. Even when healthy, we can't seem to keep a consistent level of effort and focus out there on the court. You see it in bursts, where the ball is humming, guys are where they need to be, and shots go from "good to great." Then, inexplicably, they stop and start throwing the ball all over the place, jacking up rushed outside shots, and not giving a shit defensively. Very Jekyll an Hyde ball from our guys this year, and it's been frustrating, but I'm still trying to treasure every moment knowing that it's probably over after this year.

[Malik Hairston]

He's still really good, but noticeably slower and less springy than last season. Not sure if we can survive the playoffs without Tim playing at least like he did last season.

And as for Timmy and the team's fire, I do believe that they've lost a bit of interest in the regular season. That's the only explanation for the roller coaster ride this season. Even when healthy, we can't seem to keep a consistent level of effort and focus out there on the court. You see it in bursts, where the ball is humming, guys are where they need to be, and shots go from "good to great." Then, inexplicably, they stop and start throwing the ball all over the place, jacking up rushed outside shots, and not giving a shit defensively. Very Jekyll an Hyde ball from our guys this year, and it's been frustrating, but I'm still trying to treasure every moment knowing that it's probably over after this year.

It's tough to gauge whether Duncan is worn out from the November/December ball when Leonard/Parker/Splitter/Mills were out, too, tbh..he carried a massive load during that stretch(along with Manu and Green), it was statistically the most difficult scheduling in NBA history IIRC(December)..

[Sean Cagney]

Only Leonard, Green, and Tiago before this Dallas performance look playoff ready. The rest of the team still looks out of rhythm.

Tim has been very consistent this year, the rest I agree on fully. This team is still a ways off and there is 13 games left.

[DMC]

Perhaps, but they have the ability to run through everyone if they care to. It's the caring to that matters. It's not like Tim doesn't want to rebound, or like he doesn't want his shots to fall. It's like they need to return to individual performance measuring instead of hiding in the group. Guys find excuses for losing. Tonight everyone went all heroball after they got behind. Marco couldn't find anyone, had Manu wide open and took the shot anyhow (hit it but still, not the best look) then they'd have stretches where it was hot potato and no one would shoot. That's fine if it translates to ball movement later, but it didn't. Someone has to step up on defense in order to get the offense going.

Then again, the Mavs just brought it.

[rasuo214]

Hypothetical scenarios and subsequent ST reactions:

Parker goes 2/8 with 3 assists (win or loss) - "Parker sucks"
Parker goes 6/7 for 15 and 5 assists for win - "Spurs are so much better when Parker isn't shooting a lot"
Parker goes 6/7 for 15 and 5 assists for loss - "Parker stagnating the offense is the reason we lost the game"
Parker goes 2/4 for 9 and 10 assists for win - "See, we won without Parker scoring."
Parker goes 2/4 for 9 and 10 assists for loss - "If Parker would have just given us his average, we would have won."
Parker goes 13/22 for 28 and 6 assists for win - "Yah but he did it against a bad defense."
Parker goes 13/22 for 28 and 6 assists for loss - "Enrique playing heroball again leads to another Spurs loss."
Parker goes 16/22 for 35 and 10 assists for win - "We all know he can play in the regular season. It's the playoffs where he always chokes."

Close enough.

[TDfan2007]

It's tough to gauge whether Duncan is worn out from the November/December ball when Leonard/Parker/Splitter/Mills were out, too, tbh..he carried a massive load during that stretch(along with Manu and Green), it was statistically the most difficult scheduling in NBA history IIRC(December)..

I think he got his rest during the ASB, because he looked fantastic right after the ASG. I think a great deal of it is pacing himself and just not getting up for some games. When he's dialed in/feeling good (Cavs game) he's still one of the best bigs in the league, but when he's not things get really ugly and he looks every bit his age. After watching Timmy all these years I can always tell how engaged he is/how his knees feel by seeing how he handles his post-ups and how aggressively he finishes at the rim.

One of the reasons why he shoots that awful one-handed fallaway with his right is because it allows him to plant on his good knee (the R one), so if he's avoiding the hook over his left shoulder, throwing up soft layups, and leaving his jumper short, then I'd guess his knee is acting up that particular night.

Offense aside, the biggest dropoff I've seen from Timmy this year is his individual defense. I've never seen him get scored on one-on-one as much as this season.

[rasuo214]

As far as the Tony hate, does it get a little overboard, sure, but I will say the Tony Parker fans rarely cop to Parker playing poorly. They tend to blame/bash another player (Manu or Kawhi) or post how Tony was great during ______ or how this team needs him to succeed etc.


As much as Malik and apal and others are big Kawhi fans at least they don't constantly make excuses, like the stretch when Kawhi was awful.

And the Manu fans were willing to admit that Manu cost us the 2013 title.


Maybe that's a wrong observation, but that's the way it appears to me.

[nowitzkikopf]

Close enough.

lol this. on the real though, spurs have something special; this year has been maddeningly inconsistent, but shit you guys, just enjoy watching the best pf ever do his victory lap (or two). no complaining when you are on the yacht

[quentin_compson]

Ugh, that was a third quarter from hell. Spurs kept turning the ball over, and the Mavs kept shooting what felt like 70% or 80% (they cooled off a bit toward the end of the quarter, I think). But overall, the Spurs just weren't sharp and didn't seem willing to put in a consistent effort.
Parker was worryingly bad, but then again, no one really played a good, clean game.