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BillMc
04-01-2015, 02:13 PM
Sad list, but here it is with Timmy #14.


http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:12599167

ESPN.com celebrates its 20th anniversary this week. We'll be highlighting some of the top teams, athletes and moments that characterized greatness in sports from 1995 to 2015.

Michael Jordan, Michael Phelps, Serena Williams, Tiger Woods -- which athletes defined the pinnacle of sports over the past two decades? Our staff chose the following athletes as the best of the best. Athletes were limited to those whose careers existed or their crowning achievements occurred within the last 20 years.

No. 20: Sidney Crosby
No. 19: Barry Bonds
No. 18: Mia Hamm
No. 17: Floyd Mayweather Jr.
No. 16: Usain Bolt
No. 15: Brett Favre
No. 14: Tim Duncan
No. 13: Lance Armstrong
No. 12: Lionel Messi
No. 11: Shaquille O'Neal
No. 10: Derek Jeter
No. 9: Michael Phelps
No. 8: Kobe Bryant
No. 7: Peyton Manning
No. 6: Serena Williams

No. 5: Roger Federer

"Personally, I've gotten used to Roger breaking my records," Pete Sampras once said. What record, after all, has Federer not chased? He eclipsed Sampras' 14 Grand Slam titles in 2009, then tallied two more for good measure. He spent 302 weeks atop the ATP rankings, 16 more than Sampras, his closest competitor. And yet, there remains one record Federer hasn't yet claimed outright: He has matched, but not surpassed, Sampras' seven Wimbledon championships. Not even Federer, immortal though he once may have seemed, can fend off age and injury ... But there is one who believes the Swiss has one more left in him, and who knows better than Pete Sampras?

No. 4: Tom Brady

6: The draft round in which the New England Patriots tapped former Michigan quarterback Tom Brady 15 years ago; 3: The times he has earned Super Bowl MVP honors; 13: The years separating Brady's first Super Bowl win -- a 20-17 victory over the St. Louis Rams on Feb. 3, 2002 -- and his fourth, just two months ago; 0: The number of quarterbacks with more Super Bowl wins to his name. Only Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw join Brady as four-time champions, and that, we think, is some all-time company.

No. 3: Tiger Woods

On June 15, 2008, Tiger Woods stood 15 treacherous feet away from Torrey Pines' 18th hole. One shot shy of U.S. Open leader Rocco Mediate, it was birdie or bust for the world's best golfer on Father's Day. He pulled his putter back. He struck the ball. The ball nearly lipped out, and then:

"Expect anything different?" NBC announcer Dan Hicks said.

The ball found the hole. Of course, it found the hole. It might seem like an eternity ago -- seven years is an eternity in the life of an athlete -- but for a moment, there was no surer thing than Woods. He collected 14 majors in 12 years' time, and even if there are no more to come, even if today's Woods is but a shell of the early-aughts era legend, we saw Tiger prowling the greens in red and black. So we saw greatness.

No. 2: LeBron James

When the Cleveland Cavaliers selected hometown kid James with the first pick of the 2003 NBA draft, we were all witnesses. When the King took his talents to South Beach seven years later, we were all witnesses. And four years after that, when James announced he was coming home, we were all witnesses. There were five championship appearances, two titles won and four MVP honors in between. He was beloved, reviled, then beloved again, and all before he was 30.

No. 1: Michael Jordan

The tongue. The clincher. The flu. The fax. Yes, the '90s belonged to His Airness -- and every last moment he left in his iconic wake. Jordan won back-to-back-to-back championships starting in the 1995-96 season -- and as many Finals MVPs -- but above all else, he gave rise to an entire generation that just wanted to be like Mike. "I think he's God, disguised as Michael Jordan," Larry Bird once said ... along with just about every other sports fan who had the privilege to watch Jordan elevate the game of basketball to an art form.

hater
04-01-2015, 02:19 PM
Terrible list. Where's pacman? Ronaldo? Ronaldinho? Nonu?

Terrible shitty list

vander
04-01-2015, 02:23 PM
I lol'ed at the QBs

DMC
04-01-2015, 02:28 PM
April Fool

TampaDude
04-01-2015, 02:28 PM
Lance Armstrong? :lmao

FromWayDowntown
04-01-2015, 02:28 PM
It's nice to see that ESPN thinks that Tim Duncan's career of excellence is less noteworthy than Lance Armstrong's mountain of lies. At least they're being honest with their biases.

Cry Havoc
04-01-2015, 02:32 PM
It's nice to see that ESPN thinks that Tim Duncan's career of excellence is less noteworthy than Lance Armstrong's mountain of lies. At least they're being honest with their biases.

:lmao At Jeter and Shaq at being higher than Duncan. :lmao At Serena Hair Beads being a top 10 athlete of the last 20 years.

Amazing that Messi is even on the list. Considering worldwide he's MUCH more well known than almost anyone on this list. And isn't 20 years just back to 1995 (you all feel old now)? I don't even know if Jordan should be eligible considering he won 1 title after 95.

This list is absolutely full of incompetence. Too many problems to even critique it.

TampaDude
04-01-2015, 02:34 PM
April Fool

Yeah, no shit.

letmk
04-01-2015, 02:36 PM
:lmao At Jeter and Shaq at being higher than Duncan. :lmao At Serena Hair Beads being a top 10 athlete of the last 20 years.

Amazing that Messi is even on the list. Considering worldwide he's MUCH more well known than almost anyone on this list. And isn't 20 years just back to 1995 (you all feel old now)? I don't even know if Jordan should be eligible considering he won 1 title after 95.

This list is absolutely full of incompetence. Too many problems to even critique it.

PED users aside, Jeter is the most overrated U.S. athlete, and KB is #2.

baseline bum
04-01-2015, 02:40 PM
Should be

1. Tiger
2. Federer
3. Duncan
4. Brady
5. Shaq
6. LeBron
7. Kobe
8. Jordan
9. Mia Hamm
10. Messi

BillMc
04-01-2015, 02:48 PM
:lmao At Jeter and Shaq at being higher than Duncan. :lmao At Serena Hair Beads being a top 10 athlete of the last 20 years.

Amazing that Messi is even on the list. Considering worldwide he's MUCH more well known than almost anyone on this list. And isn't 20 years just back to 1995 (you all feel old now)? I don't even know if Jordan should be eligible considering he won 1 title after 95.

This list is absolutely full of incompetence. Too many problems to even critique it.

Agree with everything you say, except I do believe Jordan won titles in 96, 97, and 98. Which would be 3 after 95.

FaM0us Skins
04-01-2015, 02:50 PM
BS. Duncan should be higher than 14

elbamba
04-01-2015, 02:51 PM
Should be

1. Tiger
2. Federer
3. Duncan
4. Brady
5. Shaq
6. LeBron
7. Kobe
8. Jordan
9. Mia Hamm
10. Messi

I can almost agree with this but Floyd has to be on this list.

Cry Havoc
04-01-2015, 02:54 PM
Agree with everything you say, except I do believe Jordan won titles in 96, 97, and 98. Which would be 3 after 95.

Whoops. That's right. Total brain fart.

AlexJones
04-01-2015, 02:56 PM
:lmao Sidney Crosby
:lmao Derek Jeter
:lmao BRETT FAVRE

BillMc
04-01-2015, 03:05 PM
Whoops. That's right. Total brain fart.

No worries. :toast Happens to all of us.

MB20
04-01-2015, 03:07 PM
Jonah Lomu should be on the list, imo.

baseline bum
04-01-2015, 03:15 PM
I can almost agree with this but Floyd has to be on this list.

OK.

11. Manny
12. Floyd

Arcadian
04-01-2015, 03:55 PM
Duncan is top 5 easily. He has accomplished more than everyone on that list except Jordan, Federer, and maybe Tiger (but that's a stretch).

Raven
04-01-2015, 04:01 PM
:lol lance armstrong and tiger woods

K...
04-01-2015, 04:09 PM
Hmm usain bolt has a meaningful world record. I'd kind of put him at #1. Lance Armstrong was still an amazing cyclist, just a terrible human being running a giant conspiracy. But cycling is a dumb sport.

At least NASCAR isn't in the list

hater
04-01-2015, 04:11 PM
#1 should be the JAMAICAN speed runner. iMo

And Phelps should be way hugher. Best Olympian ever???

:lmao ESPN reaching new lows

hater
04-01-2015, 04:13 PM
And Duncan should be top 10,due to his longevity.

Fucking retarded

hater
04-01-2015, 04:14 PM
And why 20 years? Why not 21 or 5 or 30???

Fucking dumb

313
04-01-2015, 04:57 PM
And why 20 years? Why not 21 or 5 or 30???

Fucking dumb
20th anniversary

hater
04-01-2015, 04:58 PM
20th anniversary

Of what?

Mel_13
04-01-2015, 05:00 PM
Of what?

Read the first line of the article.

Silver&Black
04-01-2015, 05:14 PM
:lmao Kirby

Glorified coat-tail rider

100%duncan
04-01-2015, 05:18 PM
Bolt Jordan Lebron Federer Duncan my top 5 no particular order

100%duncan
04-01-2015, 05:20 PM
Oh replace lebron with Phelps

K...
04-01-2015, 06:04 PM
Man I'm on the anti Phelps train. Fake sport. Too many similar races. Not really a world sport. Only like five countries really give a shit about swimming.

Cry Havoc
04-01-2015, 06:29 PM
Duncan is top 5 easily. He has accomplished more than everyone on that list except Jordan, Federer, and maybe Tiger (but that's a stretch).

You could make the argument for Phelps as well.

100%duncan
04-01-2015, 06:34 PM
Man I'm on the anti Phelps train. Fake sport. Too many similar races. Not really a world sport. Only like five countries really give a shit about swimming.

Golf is also a fake sport. Anyonenoutside americans like a good walk spoiled?

marmotte
04-01-2015, 06:40 PM
IMO, the top 3 is clearly Phelps, Federer, Bolt, in no particular order.

BillMc
04-01-2015, 06:47 PM
Man I'm on the anti Phelps train. Fake sport. Too many similar races. Not really a world sport. Only like five countries really give a shit about swimming.

Phelps is kind of a tool, but he is an amazing athlete. The differences in strokes and distances and what they demand from someone are not similar, and the fact that he has dominated that number of events for as long as he has in a sport where athletes usually peek at 19 to 21, is amazing. As a former Division I swimmer who has lived (and swam) in seven different countries I can say the sport is one of the most popular (certainly worldwide it has more participants, if not fans, than American football). There is nothing "fake" about competitive swimming.

tim_duncan_fan
04-01-2015, 07:20 PM
lol at people letting personal biases run their lists.

Bolt, Federer, Tiger Woods, Jordan and Serena Williams pretty much dominated their shit in their best days and people fucking WATCHED them do it. Those are your definitive top 5. Duncan, Shaq and Kobe should be top ten and one right after the other in a virtual tie...just like their careers. Phelps can be #9. #10 is irrelevant.

Lebron and Brady are there mostly to let you know that this is an ESPN list.

Obstructed_View
04-02-2015, 12:34 PM
Unsure of all the love for Bolt based on one steroid-fueled Olympics, but I'm fine with Duncan at 14. ESPN takes a lot of things other than winning into account. Duncan doesn't.

barbacoataco
04-02-2015, 09:09 PM
Weird list. Hard to tell if PED users are being punished or not. Hard to compare different sports. Also, are they talking about athletes who were most dominant for a stretch, or giving value to players who sustained greatness for a longer period? All lists like this should have 2 sections for peak value and career value.

Really the PED issue is the elephant in the room. Who knows who used what and when. Nearly all of the athletes on this list have been rumoured to juice, so why count it against some and not others? I really don't have the answers, and that's why I rarely make lists anymore, and I used to really enjoy it, especially for baseball and basketball.

K...
04-02-2015, 09:27 PM
Probably, we are all implicitly ranking our favorite sports, taking the greatest player and ranking accordingly.

I also think it's implicit that individual sports are considered higher than team sports.

Malik Hairston
04-02-2015, 09:30 PM
I didn't click on the link, but I'm sure part of the criteria is the impact they had in their respective sport from a popularity standpoint, too..ESPN's objective is to draw interest, their target demographic isn't the hardcore basketball fan..

Tim is my favorite player of all-time, but his peak years were during arguably the least popular era in NBA history(2003 to 2007)..as we saw with all the articles, etc after last year's Finals, even mainstream outlets have Duncan ahead of Kobe and Shaq on the all-time list(hardcore fans always did), it's not really arguable from a basketball standpoint, but those 2 players(along with Lebron) obviously had much more of an impact than Tim from a popularity standpoint..

Sean Cagney
04-02-2015, 10:00 PM
BS. Duncan should be higher than 14
Yep.

Shaq and Kobe above him too, questionable. Kobe is a little too high on that list but you know the media honestly.

gilmor
04-03-2015, 05:06 AM
greg lemond >> lance armstrong

Russo21
04-03-2015, 05:20 AM
Shane Warne, Sachin Tendaulker were two all timers left out. Quite a strange list. Lance Armstrong? Really? Really? Wasn't Barry Bonds taking 'roids also or was that disproven?

z0sa
04-03-2015, 05:27 AM
Jesus that list is pathetic

Killakobe81
04-03-2015, 08:17 AM
More reasons for Spur fan butt-hurt ... who cares? Duncan has what matters most 5 rings. Only Jordan has more and only Kobe is tied with players that matter in the NBA over the past 20 years ...

Killakobe81
04-03-2015, 08:20 AM
lol at people letting personal biases run their lists.

Bolt, Federer, Tiger Woods, Jordan and Serena Williams pretty much dominated their shit in their best days and people fucking WATCHED them do it. Those are your definitive top 5. Duncan, Shaq and Kobe should be top ten and one right after the other in a virtual tie...just like their careers. Phelps can be #9. #10 is irrelevant.

Lebron and Brady are there mostly to let you know that this is an ESPN list.

Wow a fair and balanced, reasonable Spur fan ... where did you come from?

Agloco
04-03-2015, 09:18 AM
Ummm, where's Insane Lightning Bolt? Waaaay too low. This list is shit. Lol @ Armstrong, Jeter and Crosby

daslicer
04-03-2015, 10:13 AM
It doesn't bother me its more of a popularity list.

Diego20
04-03-2015, 10:45 AM
S.Williams 6 but Messi 12?

Diego20
04-03-2015, 10:51 AM
btw I didn't know golf players were athletes..

:lol